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It seems less like that and more like the old times where humans and seraph lived together Sorey read about just "conveniently" forgot to mention the part where the seraphs were enslaved. If that was the case then it seems kind of strange that Zaveid or Edna wouldn't point that out... (character spoiler)
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Also the main characters are certainly good but I could probably also watch 12 episodes of Dyle and Kurogane getting drunk on heartwater, getting into trouble together, and making heads/tails puns.
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Aug 23, 2016 05:09
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Samurai Sanders posted:That's mainly my problem, they are more than nods, it seems pretty significant and a lot of talk time is spent on it. I would have preferred this story be more self-contained even if it takes place in the same world. Well that's a shame. I hope someone writes a list of important stuff I should know for the game before the English release then. Even if its not super essential it'd probably be nice to know a couple of the more significant references if they mean anything.
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Aug 23, 2016 05:11
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Caphi posted:Also the main characters are certainly good but I could probably also watch 12 episodes of Dyle and Kurogane getting drunk on heartwater, getting into trouble together, and making heads/tails puns. Does the cool lizard man appear in skits? I want to know this.
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Aug 23, 2016 05:14
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Does the cool lizard man appear in skits? I want to know this. 
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Well that's a shame. him not being a party member is even worse than alisha
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Yay!
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Endorph posted:him not being a party member is even worse than alisha I would, absolutely no joking, play a Berseria gaiden where the party is just all the daemons you Actually hell I just got through what I swear to god is an anime breather vacation episode, so I'd have been totally fine if they cut to Crew Side mini-adventures between real chapters.
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Junpei posted:junpei post it's not exactly a critical plot element but let people find out things that happen in the story for themselves Caphi posted:I would, absolutely no joking, play a Berseria gaiden where the party is just all the daemons you but yeah, not a lot of them get a ton of screentime, but I'm still super glad that this game has an actually likable supporting cast who the party bounces off of every now and then. It adds a lot.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:08
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Yeah, this game has actual NPCs. And they're good! It's all these people you've given back a home (e: and Miss Grim, who is also cool), sitting around being friends with the party and each other. If Zestiria was the most depressing story about being a sacred hero, this is the most heartwarming tale about being a dread villain. I really hope it doesn't go south at the end. Caphi fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 06:14
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Yo, Caphi, Endorph. You guys have your opinions on the story given, so I'll ask this: Do you like Oscar, Shigure, Theresa, the bishop guy whose name I forget and Artorius as antagonists? Are they a good "Evil boss squad who compare and contrast the heroes"? Are they as good as, say, The God-Generals?
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Aug 23, 2016 23:00
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Just saying this might be a slight spoiler but I haven't actually seen much of them. There's been several other things going on that are not directly related to the Abbey, at least at the point where I am now.
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Media Create reports that Tales continue to decline sales in Japan. Berseria opened at around 250k total between the ps4 and ps3 version. Previous games were: Tales of Zestiria - 340,891 Tales of Xillia 2 - 364,439 Tales of Xillia - 525,605
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Aug 24, 2016 16:28
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those numbers don't include digital though, right? like I'm not going to say that's definitely the only reason, but an increasing willingness to embrace digital distribution could create a similar trend
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Aug 24, 2016 16:31
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Even if there was a huge digital push, being right after Zestiria's fiasco and Berseria being known as a Zestira prequel to casual fans is a contributer to the much lower sales.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:33
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Tae posted:Media Create reports that Tales continue to decline sales in Japan. Berseria opened at around 250k total between the ps4 and ps3 version. Previous games were: This is part of the reason why B-N is happy that the American market opened up for them and why they're pushing so hard for Tales releases in the US.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:34
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Tales of Xillia was a big upswing in the series. It's the 4th best selling tales game by Japanese sales, and the 8th best selling game of 2011. It's not really surprising that sales have declined since then. If this trend continues, be worried, but as it stands it just seems like normal fluctuations, especially consider Xillia 2 was a direct sequel (which always sell worse than the original game) and Zestiria had a super mixed reception. But yeah, it is a reason why they're pushing US releases. And probably why they stopped the Zesty anime dead in its tracks for a two episode Berseria ad.
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Cake Attack posted:those numbers don't include digital though, right? like I'm not going to say that's definitely the only reason, but an increasing willingness to embrace digital distribution could create a similar trend
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Aug 24, 2016 16:37
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Samurai Sanders posted:One of these days we're going to be able to know how many copies of games are sold digitally in general, right? I mean, we are kind of in the age of digital distro now, in the year 2016. As shown here. There's no technical barrier, it's just about whether companies are willing to release the info.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:38
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It's a case of companies not wanting to publish information rather than it being unavailable, same as physical sales.
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Really, I'm not sales expert or anything, but I feel like this constant string of releases is doing more harm to the Tales brand than good. Berseria is, like, a really good game, but there are places where it feels sort of unpolished or like the developers were pressed for time. Because it's a 50-80 hour RPG with a two year dev cycle. I get that they felt they had to push something out the door to try and make up for Zestiria, but iunno. I think just letting the brand rest for a bit and giving a team a long time to craft something special would do a lot to help the series' image. Iunno if that'd translate to sales, but I have to imagine there's at least a little bit of franchise fatigue going on. They release a new tales game more often than they release a new dynasty warriors.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:48
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Endorph posted:They release a new tales game more often than they release a new dynasty warriors. Only because the warriors brand releases like 3-5 games every year minimum, not including expansions like XL or Empires. Dynasty Warriors 8 Empires came out like last year. ,
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Endorph posted:Really, I'm not sales expert or anything, but I feel like this constant string of releases is doing more harm to the Tales brand than good. Berseria is, like, a really good game, but there are places where it feels sort of unpolished or like the developers were pressed for time. Because it's a 50-80 hour RPG with a two year dev cycle. I get that they felt they had to push something out the door to try and make up for Zestiria, but iunno. I think just letting the brand rest for a bit and giving a team a long time to craft something special would do a lot to help the series' image. Iunno if that'd translate to sales, but I have to imagine there's at least a little bit of franchise fatigue going on. They release a new tales game more often than they release a new dynasty warriors. Basically the only reason most of these smaller RPG franchises keep going is because they can put out games very quickly to fill an under-satisfied niche. Their core audience doesn't really want 'something special' because there aren't enough RPGs on the market to satisfy their desires in the meantime. The extra development time would almost certainly not translate into extra sales but would translate into extra budget and costs. The best you could do is like SMT does and have multiple development teams making games. but Tales specifically moved away from doing that.
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Yeah, one of the main appeals of the Tales series is getting a new quality JRPG every ~2 years where you sorta know what to expect. Hideo Baba if you are reading this don't mess with the Tales formula, if people ever stop buying your games I shall join you in your whimsical journey in which we smite humanity and reshape the world.
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Stuffguyman posted:Yeah, one of the main appeals of the Tales series is getting a new quality JRPG every ~2 years where you sorta know what to expect. Hideo Baba if you are reading this don't mess with the Tales formula, if people ever stop buying your games I shall join you in your whimsical journey in which we smite humanity and reshape the world. he may or may not work on the next one.
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I don't think anyone is saying the next Tales should take like persona 5 long, just that giving a game like 2-2.5 yrs from the last game instead of like 1.5 might do the brand good
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Consider a F2P Gacha with lots of original, cute boys and girls, is my suggestion.
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Isn't that just tales of link
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Sure, but more.
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Or take 3-4 years but farm out ports or remakes for some cashflow in the meanwhile. Just on PC/PS4 instead of Vita because Vita does not mean life it means death to the series' will to ever remake again. And the phone games, sure. Also make a gundam game with tales of characters as the pilots.
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get tecmo koei to make a tales musou instead of making a crappy one yourself
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Also Arc System Works to make a fighting game instead of the worst Smash clone in a world where Playstation All Stars exists.
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Endorph posted:hideo baba didn't even work on berseria Baba has been promoted out of Tales Endorph His tyranny is over.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Baba has been promoted out of Tales Endorph promoted out of tales and into pachinko
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tales of zestiria the slot machine. every time you think you're gonna get three alishas, she disappears on the third one
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Decus posted:Or take 3-4 years but farm out ports or remakes for some cashflow in the meanwhile. Just on PC/PS4 instead of Vita because Vita does not mean life it means death to the series' will to ever remake again. The last time they did that kind of transitional period it was going into the PS3, and it produced Tempest, Innocence, and Symphonia: Dawn. Granted, that was also when they let Udo make Graces and decided they needed a Hearts to ring out the DS. Me, I'd be okay if they just ported some of the PS2 games to the PS3 or PS4.
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Upscaled Abyss PS2 to PS4 with trophies is a thing I didn't know I wanted.
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Decus posted:Just on PC/PS4 instead of Vita because Vita does not mean life it means death to the series' will to ever remake again. Innocence R is my favorite remake.
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They already put Destiny 2 and Rebirth on the PSP and Abyss on the 3DS, though, probably because it was easy (at least for the PSP). And of course, Symphonia is already on the PS3. I think that leaves Legendia and just remake that thing. But then, we're a generation overdue for an Eternia remake since Phantasia and Destiny got remade ages ago, and that's the one I want, personally.
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