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dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

When I was in high school, I took pictures for myself of the theater program I was in. I ended up with some decent stuff of rehearsals and whatnot, so I talked with a friend who was on the yearbook staff. I ended up giving them a CD with some photos along with a text file that licensed the photos. I don't have a copy of it anymore, but it said something to the effect of "These photos may be used in the [school name] yearbook as long as proper credit is given to [my name]." Well, they ended up using a picture (full spread even, it blew up nicely). I'm not credited anywhere. They have a section in the back that credits several sources of photographs including local studios, etc. But I'm not in there. I was kind of miffed, but it raises the question: if I were to take action, what would it involve? What damages would I sue for? Obviously, I'm not going to, because it's just a high school yearbook, but it did still irk me.

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dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

HPL posted:

drat, why was I thinking horses?

You weren't the only one -- I thought it was a horse racing track until I read "rich people and their toys".

Well, it seems things are picking up a little bit. Last night, I shot a retirement party hosted by my girlfriend's mother, and while there I had a guest approach me and ask if I would be interested in covering a baby shower she was throwing (we were printing the photos on-site, so hopefully if she was happy enough to hire me with straight-out-of-the-camera prints off of a mediocre printer, she'll be impressed with properly processed photos). Also, I'm covering a wedding for my brother's friend in June.

I really need to get a portfolio together in a nice, presentable form.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

RangerScum posted:

Annnnnd they have released a new statement telling everyone not to worry:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-1...ag=2547-1_3-0-5

Here's the sticky term

code:
You hereby grant Facebook an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to 
     (a) use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame,  
         translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute (through multiple tiers), any User Content you 
            (i) Post on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof subject only to your privacy 
             settings or 
            (ii) enable a user to Post, including by offering a Share Link on your website and 
     (b) to use your name, likeness and image for any purpose, including commercial or advertising, 
each of (a) and (b) on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof.
(formatting mine for clarity)

Where they say everything is ok is the wording "in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof", meaning, to use the CNET article's example, they cannot sell racy photos to a tabloid if you've uploaded it to Facebook. They can, however, use your content in any drat way they want if it is for Facebook-related commercial or advertising purposes.

The part that's easily misinterpreted is where (b) ends. They're using that clause to assert they have the right to use your face in an uploaded photo for advertising purposes -- thus the "for any purpose, including commercial or advertising". But they're maintaining that (a) and (b) are subject to "on or in connection with the Facebook Service or the promotion thereof."

dakana fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2009 around 01:31

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I feel fortunate. My name yields my Flickr page first, Facebook second, and then the newspaper I shoot for. After that, it's still me, but mostly Flickr aggregating sites.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Also, if he's going to be selling anything or getting ad revenue from this website, he does stand to profit off of your work.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.


"Bride is crying. Groom is sitting at a table. In front of him on the table are lines of pure Columbian cocaine, a razorblade, and a tightly rolled $20 bill. Groom is wearing only an undershirt, boxer shorts, and socks, which have holes in them. Wedding rings are off—everything was sold a long time ago to buy blow. (Stubble and lesions to be added via Photoshop.) Bride is a broken shell of a woman and is tugging on groom's arm, begging him to stop. "

I actually really want to do this photograph. I immediately saw low, wideish angle from in front of a glass-top table, heavy backlight and rimlights, really contrasty and slightly desaturated, mascara ruined on bride who is still in a torn and stained dress...

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I think it's a joke...

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Sounds like a good deal, PR! You get to be published in a national magazine while at the same time respect the profession

rear end is my canvas posted:

Man I stopped doing that so long ago. My photostream has since moved up to a shack in the mountains far from the eyes of man. It has a beard now.

Yeah... I don't even bother renaming photos. I really, REALLY need to go through everything again and do some proper tagging, naming, and culling.


edit: I never did share this story.

A while back, there was a thread in GBS -- it was something like "Share your talents" where people could post interesting stuff they do. I put up a couple of pictures, but then forgot all about the thread. Apparently, someone liked a picture I put up. A few weeks after I posted in the thread, I got a message on Flickr saying

quote:

This picture, that you posted on somethingawful:

www.flickr.com/photos/nickkneer/3039459205/

I tried to get ahold of you to ask if you would mind if I used it's likeness in a painting I would make for my brother as a christmas present. It seems you didn't have platinum, so I couldn't PM you. I got you an upgrade, but it seems I have to somehow pass the link on to you. That was difficult, seeing as how you don't allow people on SA to contact you via email either.
Well today I thought about finding you on flickr!

Here's the gift certificate if you want it by the way:

[link]

Anyway, christmas was at stake and I decided to use it anyway. Hope you don't mind! Here is the painting:

[link]

I was a) flattered that he liked the photo, b) pleasantly surprised that he was seeking permission for something I'd never know about, and c) floored that he wanted to compensate me in some way. I wouldn't sell an image to a magazine for , but for someone to paint and give to their brother as a present? Sure! I thanked him and used the forums upgrade. And the painting looks great!

Click here for the full 489x604 image.

dakana fucked around with this message at Mar 13, 2009 around 06:00

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

That seems really bizarre to me. I love how his last name is Cannon, though. After clicking around for like an hour on the killboy site, I finally found some images. They're ehh. I wouldn't buy one myself.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I've got a question.


I'm meeting with a marketing person with a company that does countertops and flooring. They said that they were looking for someone for "some small photography jobs around our [local] plant."

Assuming they like my portfolio, I'm worried they're going to ask about pricing. I would feel the most comfortable if I could find out the specifics -- like what each shoot would entail and their usage -- and then buy Fotoquote [or ask you guys ] before giving them an estimate.

Would that be a normal thing to do? Meaning, is it normal to take a little bit before giving an estimate? I'm just hoping that they don't expect to be like "Well the shoot would involve X and we'd use it for X, how much would that be?" and me to respond =/

I'm just nervous about loving it up.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Just a little update with my situation: I went and met with the marketing rep, and she showed me a few examples of what she would like done. Then, she gave me two things to photograph, told me what she wanted to do with the images (display the product on the web so people can see what they're ordering), and then said to shoot them how I'd like and send her the images when I was done.

I'm assuming this is like a "trial" of sorts, and, if she likes what I come up with, will pay me for those images and then give me more stuff to do. We'll see how it works -- I'm not going to give her any license until we talk it out, though.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Keep in mind that I've never actually done this, so I can't offer any personal experience, but I've always wanted to get a setup similar to the one outlined here: http://www.zarias.com/?p=71

Basically, it involves using a roll of white seamless for your background, and then using two lights behind bi-fold doors to light it. The doors act as huge flags to make sure they only hit the background. That way, you can shoot them bare for white, turn them off for black, or gel them for color. Then you light your subject independently, and viola.

I have no idea if this is a better idea than using separate sheets of seamless / muslins, because I don't have any practical experience with it. I just figured I'd throw it out there for you to consider / others to comment on.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

pwn posted:

Can't you just blacken the background with light placement (I forget how)?

dakana posted:

That way, you can shoot them bare for white, turn them off for black, or gel them for color.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Alright, I'm an idiot.

I just got done taking team / individual photos for a local little league. I had envelopes printed with the different items / packages they could order from me. This is where my stupidity comes in: I forgot to write on the envelope whom they should make checks out to. So about half of the checks are written out to (My last name) Photography. I've talked to my bank, and they said I'd need to open a new account in order to cash those checks. How do I go about getting "established" as a business, and what are the costs like?

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

brad industry posted:

I get checks like that all the time and never had a problem cashing them. I have separate accounts for work, but they are just in My Name and not My Name Photography (which is what I do business under).


If you want to open a new account, you need to file a DBA (doing business as) form which is usually like $20 and you do it at the county clerk's office. Then you take the DBA form to the bank and they let you open an account in that name.

So you have a work account under just Your Name, and you can cash checks that are written to Your Last Name Photography?

But anyway, all I need to do is do one of the DBA forms? I haven't done anything this high-paying -- just a few weddings in the past -- so I haven't registered anything in terms of a photo business. Do I need to do anything like that?

Thanks for the help.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I'll go over to my bank tomorrow and talk to them in person then. If they have an issue, then I'll just do the DBA form and a new account. Thanks, you two, for the help!

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

So now that I've made a bit of money with photography under a business name (sole proprietorship,) I assume I need to declare my income on my taxes.

I literally have no idea how I'm supposed to do this. What do I need to do? I've kept records of every expense I've had, every check cashed, etc. I just don't know what sort of forms I need, how I list my expenses and income, etc. I guess it's sort of a lovely question because I honestly don't even understand personal taxes (which really aren't that complicated, I imagine.) If anyone can either answer this succinctly or point me somewhere that will talk to me like I'm an idiot, that'd be fantastic.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

brad industry posted:

I just keep spreadsheets of all taxable income and deductible expenses and then dump them into Turbotax at the end of the year. I did it myself when it was just the 1040-EZ but once you have a lot of expenses and poo poo it's worth the $100 for the software.

If you need to do anything more complicated than a 1040 / Schedule C I would hire a professional.

I'm assuming I can't do the EZ seeing as how I have more than $5,000 in expenses.

Also, now I'm concerned about sales tax: the main income was from doing individual and team photos for a local little league, and the parents ordered packages and items from us (which I had printed/made primarily by a lab, and then a few things here and there from other companies.) I'm assuming since I sold them physical goods that had the pictures on them, I need to pay sales tax?

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Well poo poo. I had to have my folks pick me up from school three weekends in a row so I could work on editing, sorting, ordering, and delivering with them and my brother. It wasn't just to help; it was pretty essential that I be home so we could get it done. It's 153 miles from home to school, one way.

306 to get me, 306 to take me back = 612 * 3 = 1,836 miles.

Is this just considered a commute, however? It seems like it shouldn't be considered a business expense to me... the more I get into this, the more I think I should hire an accountant.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I shot a Little League state tournament this past week, and got a call today from someone asking to license a photo I took for the cover of a magazine. They said that they distribute about 3,000 copies in their county.

Any ideas what I should charge?

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

I got an e-mail from one of the coaches of the little league I do the team and individual pictures for asking about interior photography. He works for a media company that does AV equipment installations in businesses (board rooms, conference rooms, etc) and other buildings, such as churches. They want photos of their installations -- basically interior photography with a focus on their installed media tech.

What would I charge for something like this? Would I do it by the hour? By the individual installation? I have no idea what is reasonable. I plan on doing it right -- bracketed exposures, balancing ambient and artificial light, adding flashes if need be, anal-retentive post work, etc. The usage is going to be their website.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Got a message on flickr the other day.

quote:

This is Korrena Bailie, Creative Media Editor at wcities. We create and distribute travel content for cities all over the world. We are working towards enhancing our coverage of entertainment venues worldwide, and I have been looking for a good photo of the Stranahan Theater. In my search, I came across the following photos of yours:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nickkneer/4478640735/

I was wondering if you would be willing to give us permission to use this image to promote the venue. Let me know when you get a chance if you are interested.

I asked how exactly they planned on using it, and they said this

quote:

We are an online company only; your photo would feature on our websites and mobile app (eventseekr, cityseekr) and those of our partners (these include Yahoo, the Travel Channel, American Airlines and Southwest Airlines). Just so you know, you retain full rights of your photo, so you can withdraw use at any time.


I want to respond with a price -- what would be an acceptable rate for something like this? It's not a spectacular photo, but there's still nothing in it for me without payment.

dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

Subjunctivitis posted:

This sounds familiar.

I'm not sure that your photo would be the exclusive photo for whatever scene they pair it with, and thus, that they have any intention of paying you. I had a similar thing land in my inbox a few years ago, and I went ahead and said "yes" to them using it. It's a photo of the Steel Bridge in Portland that they scaled down to 60px X 60px or thereabout and they put it in a small gallery of other photos of the Steel Bridge (you can look at the photos by clicking an icon at the location of the landmark). At this point, I would tell them "no" out of principle of leeching free content from users instead of creating their own content or purchasing stock, but it's been up for about 3 years now, and I don't care enough to have them pull it down.

If you want payment, you're not likely to get it, so you'll probably just have to decide Y or N for yourself. They're probably not going to use and abuse you for more free stuff down the line if you say yes once; I think they're just being polite about their leeching by asking.

Oh I know they want it for free. I'm just trying to see if I can get anything out of it. I have no reason to tell them yes.

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dakana
Aug 28, 2006
So I packed up my Salvador Dali print of two blindfolded dental hygienists trying to make a circle on an Etch-a-Sketch and headed for California.

RangerScum posted:

Unless it is a unique photo that nobody else can or will provide for free, your photo holds no monetary value to them. Sad but true.

Right. I figured since they took the time to message me specifically that maybe this photo was unique. I have nothing to lose if they say "No, we won't pay you" so I figure I might as well throw out a price and see if they bite. If not, oh well.

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