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Ak Gara
Jul 29, 2005

That's just the way he rolls.

Primoman posted:

I can't possibly keep up with the frequent discussion in this thread, as much as I love the EVA series, but one question has been bugging me for a while.

Aside from any thematic symbolism, was there ever any reason why Rei's lodgings took place in this incredibly lovely, run-down apartment complex that looks like it's ready to fall over?

You would think being the most invaluable of the pilots, NERV would at least make sure she would stay at a place where they wouldn't worry about having the ceiling collapse on her head.

If I remember correct, how it goes down in the movie is Asuka moves in with Shinji, and she thinks Shinji is moving out, but is told for the good of everyone it would be best if the pilots lived together and learned to get along...then right after Misato says that, the scene cuts to Rei sitting in a dilapidated building with obvious construction machines in the background tearing down the buildings. Sitting, on her own.

[edit] Actually it might be during Misato's phone call regarding Shinji's living arrangements.

Ak Gara fucked around with this message at May 5, 2012 around 04:22

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Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Pickle: Inspected.


Primoman posted:

Even though these children are literally the only people who can fend off against the Angels.

In the original series, when they were talking about the Dummy System, I thought they were planning to mind control Shinji and the others to be more effective soldiers. I actually grew concerned thinking the NERV folks were going to mindfuck these kids.

Specifically, in the episode where Shinji gets a sudden burst of confidence (which later ends up with him swallowed by the Angel), I suspected that was the results of NERV's mind-alterations.

The actual turnout was still shocking, but not as shocking as that initial implication.

I can see why you'd think that, since they did in fact mention brainwashing as a possible method to keep Shinji piloting.

Sgt Froggy
Mar 22, 2012


If I recall correctly, at one point in the series Ritsuko talks about Rei's apt. Something about light amd darkness matching the lower lab where she was... spawned? But damned if I can remember the specifics.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007

But it soon became quite clear that while losers flourished everywhere, winners were a rare and reticent breed with preferences for camouflage and anonymity.

Sgt Froggy posted:

If I recall correctly, at one point in the series Ritsuko talks about Rei's apt. Something about light amd darkness matching the lower lab where she was... spawned? But damned if I can remember the specifics.

I believe in EoE they visit Rei's birthplace and the arrangement of furniture is echoed in her apartment.

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=ewf1RtXrXQ0

http://www.animenation.net/blog/201...nime-announced/

I can't tell if that phone is horribly designed....I'm too distracted by the awesome NERV logo on the back.

Utritum
May 2, 2009


Midjack posted:

I believe in EoE they visit Rei's birthplace and the arrangement of furniture is echoed in her apartment.

I am pretty sure it was Episode 23.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008

"Trafalgar Law...his manners aren't too good."


Primoman posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=ewf1RtXrXQ0

http://www.animenation.net/blog/201...nime-announced/

I can't tell if that phone is horribly designed....I'm too distracted by the awesome NERV logo on the back.

Gaudy, unnecessary top of the line phone? I want it. Bad. I wonder if it'd have any English compatibility.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Shinjobi posted:

Gaudy, unnecessary top of the line phone? I want it. Bad. I wonder if it'd have any English compatibility.

Unlikely.

I wanted the Advent children phone real bad back in the day. It didn't even have any special FF stuff besides being in the movie :P

Scyantific
Feb 13, 2011



Watched 2.22 again today for the n-th time, and I'm always wondering, what the hell happened to EVA Unit 07? The previews after the end of 2 talk about the "Quickening" Unit 08, but I've not heard of Unit 07 at all in either 2 movies. There's every other number but 07, I wonder why?

00: Destroyed; Devoured by Zeruel
01: Currently in God Mode
02: Damaged; Still somewhat operational
03: Destroyed; Torn apart by Unit 01
04: Vanished/Destroyed
05: Destroyed by Mari
06: Currently descending from Moon in God Mode
07: ???
08: Mentioned in Previews after the end of Evangelion 2.01

Also, I can't seem to understand the "Lost Number" that Kaji brings Gendo as well. Maybe that's somehow tied to Unit 07?

MrLonghair
Nov 2, 2004



Shinjobi posted:

Gaudy, unnecessary top of the line phone? I want it. Bad. I wonder if it'd have any English compatibility.

Shouldn't be too difficult once somebody figures out what they've changed in that Android distribution they're using for it. I just want that sick user interface.

LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010



Scyantific posted:

Watched 2.22 again today for the n-th time, and I'm always wondering, what the hell happened to EVA Unit 07? The previews after the end of 2 talk about the "Quickening" Unit 08, but I've not heard of Unit 07 at all in either 2 movies. There's every other number but 07, I wonder why?

00: Destroyed; Devoured by Zeruel
01: Currently in God Mode
02: Damaged; Still somewhat operational
03: Destroyed; Torn apart by Unit 01
04: Vanished/Destroyed
05: Destroyed by Mari
06: Currently descending from Moon in God Mode
07: ???
08: Mentioned in Previews after the end of Evangelion 2.01

Also, I can't seem to understand the "Lost Number" that Kaji brings Gendo as well. Maybe that's somehow tied to Unit 07?

More pseudo-mythology references in that "7" is a "lucky number", so there's no "7" in Evangelion because everyone's hosed?

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


I'm sure we will get some information about it. Seems like a rather glaring oversight.

It looks a bit like, with the new pilot and everyone running around and all the evas , things will be more human versus human in the next movie.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.

Is there fan consensus at to whether, when Gendo said in the middle of the Ramiel attack, that there was just 10 more Angels, if that included the currently-attacking Ramiel or not?

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

An Ebon-clad wall of fiery death, the embodiment of a thousand bloodstained flippers.


DamnGlitch posted:

I'm sure we will get some information about it. Seems like a rather glaring oversight.

It looks a bit like, with the new pilot and everyone running around and all the evas , things will be more human versus human in the next movie.

Are there even that many Angels left before Kaowru and the finale? I'm almost wondering whether we'll finish off the 'normal' Angels in 3 and then 4 will be however Rebuild handles End or does its own climax, depending on how much further things drift from the original continuity in 3.

Scyantific
Feb 13, 2011



Spiritus Nox posted:

Are there even that many Angels left before Kaowru and the finale? I'm almost wondering whether we'll finish off the 'normal' Angels in 3 and then 4 will be however Rebuild handles End or does its own climax, depending on how much further things drift from the original continuity in 3.

Well it's already way off the original continuity in 2, seeing as Unit 00 is destroyed, and Kaworu is already making contact with Shinji, etc. Though it looks like they might just toss in more angels seeing as how they still have to introduce Unit 08 into the fray.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

God was a dream of good government.



Wait, the Evangelion manga still isn't finished? I swear, I'll have children before that thing is completed.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


Vanderdeath posted:

Wait, the Evangelion manga still isn't finished? I swear, I'll have children before that thing is completed.

If you had kids when the manga started, they would be preparing for college right now.

Szmitten
Apr 26, 2008


Vanderdeath posted:

Wait, the Evangelion manga still isn't finished? I swear, I'll have children before that thing is completed.

Specifically the Third Child.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
CG: THE ONE WHO HATES YOU, REMEMBER?


It's not the time that's surprising, it's the quantity. Plenty of series have gone on for 20 or so years. It's just that Evangelion has put out, what, 13 volumes in that timeframe as opposed to 70?

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

An Ebon-clad wall of fiery death, the embodiment of a thousand bloodstained flippers.


Nate RFB posted:

It's not the time that's surprising, it's the quantity. Plenty of series have gone on for 20 or so years. It's just that Evangelion has put out, what, 13 volumes in that timeframe as opposed to 70?

Exactly, and it's more or less followed the grand arc of the TV series, hadn't it? It's not like it had THAT much to get through.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


The story's right as Shinji was pierced by the Lance, but that was like a year ago. Maybe he hosed himself over by giving Gendo an AT Field, but his huge changes usually just mean the status quo regardless (Because he's lazy.)

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

God was a dream of good government.



I remember buying the first and second volumes of the manga in middle school and I'm only a few years from being 30 now. That's seriously some slow development for a thirteen volume series.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Sakamoto or whoever has only been putting out like MAYBE 1 volume a year. It's clearly not his priority.

What confuses me is if he wants to finish it, why not just zip through? I mean, he's at the final stretch.

Worth noting the the manga was produced initially to build interest for the unaired series so the manga has been going since before the anime started.

Sgt Froggy
Mar 22, 2012


Does the manga plan to follow the arc of the rebuild then? I only ever read through the first four or five before I threw my hands up at the one year waits for each next volume. It seemed to follow more or less close enough to the series. But then again so does the rebuild for 1.11 so that may be no indication at all.

Does this meam I need to go find all the back issues and read them in preparation for three? Good thing I have a summer bonus coming up I guess.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!


The manga follows the series and EoE. There's some interesting stuff like explaining Kaji's childhood and giving a look into how hellish the aftermath of third impact was. There's a lot of major changes throughout the story, but they ultimately don't change anything if that makes sense.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 19 hours!


No, you don't understand, the manga was started to build interest for the original anime series aired in 1995. And it still hasn't finished. Despite ultimately following the same plot as the anime.

Sgt Froggy
Mar 22, 2012


Endorph posted:

No, you don't understand, the manga was started to build interest for the original anime series aired in 1995. And it still hasn't finished. Despite ultimately following the same plot as the anime.

Ok, that makes me feel much better. I was concerned that I had missed out on 3.0 insight. Not that it maters as now I feel the urge to go spend cash on paper media anyways. And here I thought my Kindle had stamped down any desire to own physical print materials.

Paracelsus
Apr 5, 2009


Tae posted:

The manga follows the series and EoE. There's some interesting stuff like explaining Kaji's childhood and giving a look into how hellish the aftermath of third impact was. There's a lot of major changes throughout the story, but they ultimately don't change anything if that makes sense.
Rei also has a larger presence and more characterization (i.e., they don't just let her fall off the map between Ramiel and Armisael). I think both Shinji and Rei come across as better characters in the manga than they do in the anime.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

An Ebon-clad wall of fiery death, the embodiment of a thousand bloodstained flippers.


Tae posted:

The manga follows the series and EoE. There's some interesting stuff like explaining Kaji's childhood and giving a look into how hellish the aftermath of third impact was. There's a lot of major changes throughout the story, but they ultimately don't change anything if that makes sense.

So, does the Manga continue on past EoE, then? That sounds like it could be pretty fascinating, especially if it clarifies any of the billions of questions it left us with.

Thulsa Doom
Jun 20, 2011

Ezekiel 23:20


Spiritus Nox posted:

So, does the Manga continue on past EoE, then? That sounds like it could be pretty fascinating, especially if it clarifies any of the billions of questions it left us with.

As difficult as it is to believe, the story is still in progress and Third Impact has not been resolved yet. It hasn't reached the beach scene. Whether it will address any of the ambiguity is unknown, but unlikely.

I haven't read it yet, as the early volumes are expensive and I'm basically waiting for it to be finished and be released electronically. The US publisher is Dark Horse, I believe, and they're releasing it one "stage" or whatever at a time, or maybe it's Viz. One of them. The schedule is so slow the last time I checked was so long ago I can't remember who publishes it.

Feranon
Sep 10, 2011

People were less prepared for a double juggalo presidency than they ever imagined.



~happy mother's day~

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Spiritus Nox posted:

So, does the Manga continue on past EoE, then? That sounds like it could be pretty fascinating, especially if it clarifies any of the billions of questions it left us with.

It would be incredibly unsatisfying for the manga to draft up answers to a story that for all intents and purposes was finished 15 years ago.

I would be happy with a slightly different end than that of EoE. Manga shinji, while still being shinji, is much more like the Rebuild version than the anime version. He's more standoffish, and a bit more gung ho.

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

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DamnGlitch posted:

It would be incredibly unsatisfying for the manga to draft up answers to a story that for all intents and purposes was finished 15 years ago.

I would be happy with a slightly different end than that of EoE. Manga shinji, while still being shinji, is much more like the Rebuild version than the anime version. He's more standoffish, and a bit more gung ho.

Well it's already had a major change from the original movie, in that

Shinji manages to save Asuka from the EVA-05 series.

The pages where he furiously declares how he will "Protect Asuka" have been particularly awesome. It's funny how every single incarnation of Shinji post-EoE has been a total bad-rear end.


May I ask what the spoiler policy is on the Rebuild movies? I wanted to ask about a particular moment but wanted to check first if I should spoiler all Rebuild talk.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Rebuild 1 would be pretty pointless considering how closely it mirrors the series and manga, and rebuild 2 is out domestically. I personally don't see the harm either way. If you wanna be better safe than sorry I'm sure people wouldn't mind hovering.

I haven't read the last volume or two. The pace is so glacial that I just haven't gotten around to it.

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Well, it's mainly speculation about Asuka's status in 3.0.

I don't know if this was posted yet, just saw it the other day.



It basically highlights the parts of her suit where she is "bandaged".

It got me thinking just how much physical damage she suffered in 2.0, aside from the eyepatch. Are these physical injuries caused by the Dummy-controlled Unit-01, or the result of being contaminated by the Angel?

Have they ever stated what the possible side effects of Angel contamination are? Makes me wonder if she's on borrowed time, or if there are other effects that have yet to come into play? Could she be half Raiden underneath, with more prosthetics than first realized?

Even though I'm happy with the way they handled Asuka's angst in the 2nd movie, I do hope we get some moments where she laments her newest deformity, along with comfort by Misato or Shinji (assuming they reunite in 3.0...and I hope they do since it's bound to be an awkward conversation).

The eye patch may look bad-rear end, but it still sucks for a 14 year old girl to suffer an injury like that. I hope it's not just hand-waved as no big deal.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


If it is even MENTIONED I will be surprised. I also have a feelign it is not permanent. It's actual purpose is there purely for aesthetic purposes (as far as the design is concerned) and the echo the patch on rei in 1.0 / the series and asuka's injuries at the end of EoE

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


DamnGlitch posted:

If it is even MENTIONED I will be surprised. I also have a feelign it is not permanent. It's actual purpose is there purely for aesthetic purposes (as far as the design is concerned) and the echo the patch on rei in 1.0 / the series and asuka's injuries at the end of EoE

Well that was always debated too.

Did they ever say for certain if Asuka lost her eye in EoE, or if it was just a bandage meant to (obviously) symbolize Rei's injuries and not a permanent loss of her vision?

The former was always assumed based on having a ridiculously high sync ratio in the movie, which would suggest that any injury done to Unit-02 would affect her physically.

In Rebuild's case, she got chomped by Unit-01, so being physically injured seems a given.

Of course they could go the extra mile in awesomeness and have it turn out that Asuka has something like Bradley's eye underneath...


I'm hoping it's properly explained either way, and not just hand-waved. I'm especially interested in the eventual reunion with both Rei and Shinji.

The former owes her big time for volunteering to pilot Unit-03. The latter will probably just feel real guilty.

DamnGlitch
Sep 2, 2004

Aim for the TOP!


Literally like three words were "said" at the end, but if it's the same injuries as those she received in the mass production battle, she likely lost her eye.

Why should Rei owe her? I mean, it was a kindness but it ultimately didn't matter anyway. Toji's the one that should be tahnkful

Rei will be all "durp durp" and shinji will either agonize over it or... honestly I don't know. Where do you go from third impact begin aborted?

Primoman
Jan 22, 2012

by Y Kant Ozma Post


DamnGlitch posted:

Literally like three words were "said" at the end, but if it's the same injuries as those she received in the mass production battle, she likely lost her eye.

Why should Rei owe her? I mean, it was a kindness but it ultimately didn't matter anyway. Toji's the one that should be tahnkful

Rei will be all "durp durp" and shinji will either agonize over it or... honestly I don't know. Where do you go from third impact begin aborted?


Was Toji even considered for pilot status in Rebuild? I don't recall Nerv mentioning him at all. The bit with him visiting his sister was pretty much a troll for those familiar with the original series.

Rei and Asuka were actually forming a friendship prior to the Unit-03 fiasco, so I'd like to think Rei will be sympathetic enough to actually thank Asuka, or be happy to see that she survived.

It's funny how the altered "slap scene" was not only the best moment in the whole film, but the one that ended up completely changing the story.

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PokeWarVeteran
Apr 3, 2012


Primoman posted:

Was Toji even considered for pilot status in Rebuild? I don't recall Nerv mentioning him at all. The bit with him visiting his sister was pretty much a troll for those familiar with the original series.

Rei and Asuka were actually forming a friendship prior to the Unit-03 fiasco, so I'd like to think Rei will be sympathetic enough to actually thank Asuka, or be happy to see that she survived.

It's funny how the altered "slap scene" was not only the best moment in the whole film, but the one that ended up completely changing the story.


He was probably considered, along with everyone in that entire class, as I believe it was mentioned somewhere obscure that every kid in the class was a potential pilot. They gathered them in one place so they could have easy access to replacements if the others were taken out of commission. So, it stands to reason, that they considered every kid before Ritsuko decided on Asuka.

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