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Note: If there's something you'd like to see added to this OP, please PM me. SAINT'S ROW 2 Genre: Open World Sandbox Action Release Date: 10/14/08 (US) Platforms: Xbox 360, PS3, PC For those of you unaware, Saints Row came out a few years ago and was basically a rip off of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. A pretty good ripoff. The humor, plot, and voice acting was passable at best, but it was a drat fun sandbox world to play around in. They even improved upon GTA in some ways, adding deep character and car customization, GPS-like destination mapping (thank Christ), and most of all some pretty entertaining side activities (insurance fraud sticks out as a particularly good addition). A lot of people dismissed the game as a poor man's GTA, which it is, but when you're waiting years for the next-gen GTA, Saints Row was a welcome respite. Flash forward a few years. GTA 4 came out this Spring and blew the hell up. Most people loved it hysterically. As a long time GTA fanatic I wanted to, but the truth of the matter is I only liked it, and all my friends had the same reaction. It was an undeniable technical achievement, but it seems like Rockstar went all out to make a remarkable New York simulator with nothing really new or creative to do in it. Yeah they fixed the combat mechanics, but ultimately it felt like a photorealistic version of GTA 3. Rockstar seemingly forgot what made us love open world sandbox games in the first place: Finding crazy poo poo to do in a huge world that always seems to have some more crazy poo poo hidden around the next corner. The developers of Saints Row 2 have not forgotten this; they've embraced it. It may not have the visual polish of GTA 4, but SR2 makes up for that with a world filled with over-the-top activities. VIDEOS/TRAILERS Official Trailer: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ler_060408.html "Trick My Life" Customization Trailer: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ion_072408.html Need further proof? Have a gander at their crazy rear end ads for the game featuring crazy rear end Gary Busey, titled "Street Lessons with Uncle Gary": Costumes: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...es2_082808.html Wieldable Weapons: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ops_082808.html Flying: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ng2_082808.html Heavy Weapons: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ons_042508.html Motorcycles: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...les_042508.html Police Abuse: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...use_042508.html Satchel Charges: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...ges_040308.html Taunting: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...nal_040308.html Throwing People: http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...son_040308.html REVIEWS IGN Video Review (8.2 out of 10): http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/...rev_100908.html IGN Text Review (8.2 out of 10): http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/918/918374p1.html PALGN Review (8.5 out of 10): http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=...d36430c08f95335 Gameshark Review (A-): http://www.gameshark.com/reviews/30...ow-2-Review.htm Total Video Games Review (9 out of 10): http://www.totalvideogames.com/arti...Row_2_13858.htm METATAG Thanks to Alteisen  Saints Goons is officially up and running. For those of you that don't know how a metatag works, during one of the updates to the 360 it allowed to us to see the friends list of the people on our friends list, simply choose saints goons and then view friends list and you can see everyone playing, the great thing about these is that even with the FR pending, you can still see who's online. ACTIVITIES & REWARDS FAQ Thanks to Alteisen http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post350971404 HITMAN TARGET LOCATIONS Thanks to azflyboy http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post351030967 FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Q: What order should I do the gang missions in? A: There's no particular order you have to do them in, but several people have noted that Samedi --> Ronin --> Brotherhood seems to provide the most satisfying story arc. Q: Where do the ATVs spawn? A: If you get a wanted star, the mall guards come at you on ATVs. Q: Where the hell is the mall? A: It's in the High End Detail District, but there is no indication on the map that it is there. If you draw an imaginary line between the penthouse loft and the nightclub, the exact center of that line will be the entrance to the underground parking garage for the mall. Just drive down to the bottom and walk into the mall. Alternately, have a look at the below image; The mall is where the "1" bookmark is:  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Q: How do I quit a mission? A: On the Xbox if you press down on the D-Pad it tells you to hit down again to quit the activity/mission. Q: How do you throw people? A: You grab a person and hold the left shoulder button for a second or two til you've got them, then hit the shoulder button again to throw. You can also sprint while still holding them by pressing the right shoulder button after you have them. Q: Is there a way to execute people after you've grabbed them? A: Left Trigger while you're grabbing them. Q: How do I beat insurance fraud at higher levels? A: Go to the area on the map that is highlighted by a blue square when you're already in the zone and the timer is ticking, then throw yourself in front of traffic. This gives you more adrenaline. When your adrenaline bar is full if you get hit by a car you fly 100ft into the air and can control your descent, chaining hits together. Go someplace where there are a ton of cars (adrenaline will not start to drain until you ragdoll the first time after filling it) such as a highway and start racking up the money. Intersections where construction vehicles spawn are also good; bulldozers hit you harder and are also bigger and easier to get hit by. Q: How do I upgrade/improve my gang's hideout? A: It will improve all by itself as you progress through the story missions. Q: How do I unlock new fighting styles? A: Complete a bunch of story missions. Q: Where do I get facial piercings? A: Nobody Loves Me in the mall Q: During the sewage truck missions, how do I refill the sewage supply? A: L2 stops the truck, stop spraying to refill. Q: How do I beat higher level Mayhem missions? A: The more small things you blow up the better. Explosives on the interior of buildings are especially effective (try satchel charges in the casino). You can also use the satchel charges and hit fences. Just toss them and blow them up in midair when they're near the fence, the last level should have them as one of the unlimited weapons. Each fence piece is worth abut 800-1000 and you can get a combo up to like 75 if your aim is good which makes each fence piece worth about 4000. The suburbs is the best for this. Q: How do I start Ho-ing missions? A: Find a public bathroom. Gas stations are pretty good for this. Q: How do I get the "Going The Distance" achievement? A: Throw people off the top of some of the skyscrapers in the downtown area or off the top of the mountain; sometimes a wayward pedestrian will spawn all the way at the peak with the radio tower. Q: How do I beat higher level Crowd Control missions? A: On level 5 or higher, use the baseball bat. Q: Where the heck is Barely Legal? A: It's just north east of a clothing store in the 'burbs. Q: How do I start the Base Jumping activity? A: Hijack a helicopter or airplane and fly up into the sky. When you get to a good height, exit the vehicle, and when the prompt appears to open your parachute do so. You’ll then get another prompt asking if you want to start the Basejumping diversion. Alternately, you can run and jump off of someplace really high like the mountain next to the university in order to start the activity. Q: How do I change my gang's style? A: In the gang hideout, go to the main room where everyone hangs out (down the stairs from the statue) and take a left. There's a glowing icon which will let you edit your gang's style, taunt, vehicles and your tag for when you're doing graffiti. Q: Where's the casino? A: The casino is in the marina district. On the map it's the fan shaped thing south of the clothing store Branded. SPECIAL CHARACTER CUSTOMIZATIONS Hulk Hogan: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post350472109  Click here for the full 1920x1080 image. Way to go, Mr. Fixit Vinnie Jones, Jackie Chan, Doc Holliday, Chuck Norris: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post350966047 Thanks kri kri Note from OP: We need more of these. If you have some or know where more are posted, PM me. Please note where you got the clothes for your character along with the customization stats. CODES FOR PRE-ORDER VEHICLES The preorder codes (to be entered into your phone) are: #4976 - Gyro-Daddy #728237 - UFO #7266837 - PeeWee Bike Thanks to Wet Biscuit McGlee for posting these PHONE NUMBERS http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...0#post350964605 Thanks to Dat Kush CHEATS Thanks to Eat My Fuc #1 - Full Health #2 - Car Mass Increased #3 - Milk Bones #4 - Add Police Notoriety #5 - Player Pratfalls #6 - Inf Sprint #7 - Super Explosions #8 - Super Saints #9 - Unlimited Clip #11 - Inf Ammo #12 - Heaven Bound #15 - Drunk Pedestrians #16 - Evil Cars #18 - Low Gravity #19 - Pedestrian War #20 - Raining Pedestrians #35 - Add Gang Notoriety #36 - Never Die #50 - No Cop Notoriety #51 - No Gang Notoriety #666 - Lighting Strikes #sunny - Clear sky #cashmoneyz - $1000 #200 - Giant #201 - Itty Bitty #202 - Everybody is shrunk #711 - Get Horizon #712 - Get Snipes 57 #713 - Get Tornado #714 - Get Wolverine #920 - 12 Gauge #921 - .44Cal #922 - AR-200 #923 - AR-50 #924 - AR-50 with Grenade launcher #925 - AS14 Hammer #926 - Baseball Bat #927 - Chainsaw #928 - Fire Extinguisher #929 - Flame thrower #930 - Flashbang #931 - GAL 43 #932 - GDHC #933 - Grenade #934 - Kobra #935 - KC #936 - Knife #937 - Machete #938 - McManus 2010 #939 - Mini-Gun (hell ya) #940 - Moltov #941 - Nightstick #942 - NR4 #943 - Pepper spray #944 - Pimpcane #945 - Pipe bomb #946 - R.P.G. #947 - Annihilator RPG #948 - Samurai Sword #949 - Satchel charge #950 - Shock Paddles #951 - SKR-9 #952 - Sledgehammer #953 - Stungun #954 - TK3 #955 - Crowbar #956 - Tombstone #957 - Vice 9 #958 - XS-2 Ultimax #969 - Pimpslap (this is pretty funny) SECRET STUFF - SPOILERS AHOY! Secret Mission If you played the original Saints Row and want to know more about how the player came to be blown up you’ll want to head to Troy’s office in the Police Station in the Harrowgate neighborhood of the Saints Row District. With a little bit of sleuthing you’ll be able to solve the mystery of who set you up and why! After you finish the first 2 missions, go to the police station and go up to the 3rd floor, there's 3 icons there which all represent wiretaps you can listen to, listen to all 3 then head into the chief's office and get Dex's phone from his files, call Dex and you'll unlock a mission at the old church(your hideout in SR1). Police station is in South Saint Row district. If you do the septic avenger mission and fail it, it drops you off nearby. Secret Islands Go here (click on image to enlarge, look on the far left of image)  and explore a little bit, maybe follow a few signs and something really cool will happen. Search for the Cabbit  Click here for the full 640x480 image. Have you ever heard of the legend of the mighty Cabbit? Half cat, half rabbit, all predator. This animal is hidden somewhere in Saints Row 2. To get you started on your journey to find it head out to the north western part of the water around Stilwater. Once you’ve found some small islands look for sign posts leading you to the next island. Eventually you’ll find this legendary beast! The Best Weapon in the Game In order to get the best weapon in the game you’ll want to master Combat Tricks. You’ll need to get the maximum rating in Gang Kills plus a minimum rating in every other Combat Trick. In order to find out what Combat Tricks you haven’t yet done open up the Pause Menu and select ‘Diversions’, then ‘Stunts’, then ‘Combat Tricks’. On this list you’ll see everything you’ve done, plus everything you have left to do in order to get an awesome weapon! List of Secret Places -Skull Cave: behind the pirate's ship restaurant -Shipwreck Isle: far west of the middle of the map, so far it's off the GPS -Voliton Oasis: west of Stilwater -Cabbit area: follow the signs -Lost Isle: north west of Stilwater -Lighthouse: obvious -Underground Caverns: below the clothing shop in the Factories district -Science Center: eh, I can't recall where this is, but it's huge and impressive that they added it just for a place to go -Mall: obvious -Casino: I'm not sure, but I think this counts -Underground Cemetary Sex Place: Look for the Hawk mausoleum in the Mourning Woods cemetary. There's a path leading down to the cave inside. Boba Phat fucked around with this message at Oct 22, 2008 around 01:58 |
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Needs more screenshots. I don't know how excited I'm supposed to be unless I have some vaseline smeared, badly aliased and indistinct pictures to drool over.
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I can't decide if to get this or not. It looks pretty dumb but it could be really fun in co-op.
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Street Lessons with Uncle Gary epitomises Saints Row 2 for me. Tacky, badly produced and desperately aiming for the lowest common denominator. I can't compare it to GTA IV, I'd rather compare it to something like Mercs 2 or Just Cause. In this sense at least Saints Row knows it won't be taken seriously, and is just a bit of sandbox mayhem. For that, I'll be at least trying it out because everyone likes to blow some poo poo up and the cusom characterisation is one of it's biggest strengths, but I don't think it'll have the same impact on me as sandboxes before it. And seriously who writes Saints Row radio content? Two & A Half Men's interns?
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The Pantheon posted:And seriously who writes Saints Row radio content? Two & A Half Men's interns? How can you look at this one station and tell me it isn't amazing.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints...#The_Mix_107.77 Also, I hope ezzzy 105 fm is good. Although it doesn't have any Eric Casper and Janko Nilovic. 
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Actually the music looks good this year, I meant more the DJ patter and advertisements. Some footage of SR2 gameplay leaked onto YouTube a week or so ago I think.. Here we are.
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I've not seen anyone discuss this in the PS3 thread That said, I pre-ordered the 360 version, so oh well. I just hope the juvenile / toilet humour isn't too overwhelming.
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Kiwillian posted:I've not seen anyone discuss this in the PS3 thread i think it's gonna be, i think the best approach to it is gonna be to embrace it and throw yourself in the mud willingly. you're gonna get dirty anyway so you might as well roll around and make mud pies, yknow?.
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DanoBaka posted:i think it's gonna be, i think the best approach to it is gonna be to embrace it and throw yourself in the mud willingly. You are probably right. It's best not to take it as a "serious drama" game like GTA IV tried to be and just have fun streaking people 
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 12:47 |
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I loved GTA 4, Saints Row 1 and I even enjoyed Mercenaries 2, so I'm pretty sure this is going to be a great game for me. I'm getting Saints Row 2 because it's basically GTA if it went absolutely insane. Who cares if the dialouge in the original was cringeworthy? Dressing up in a crazy outfit and then decking out a van with hydraulics and a kickass blue/red metallic paintscheme before throwing yourself in front of a truck for insurance money beat the hell out of everything else. I guess I'm a sucker for customisation, and Saints Row has always offered that in spades. Now that SR2 promises even more I gotta admit I'm really looking forward to it. Let's just hope the PC version is a good'n.
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 13:11 |
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I loved GTA: San Andreas, a lot more than the previous GTA's, so when I read about this coming to the PC I thought it sounded like a bit of a laugh for a good few hours at least. Then I tried looking for a place that sold the first Saints Row for the PC... oops.
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 13:28 |
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I'm excited for this. It's a little embarrassing. 
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tentaclesex posted:I'm excited for this. It's a little embarrassing. I'm not embarrassed.
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 14:54 |
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Hopefully the game can deliver more laughs like this (obligatory post of the greatest thing to come out of Saint's Row 1)
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I'm looking forward to the game, I really enjoyed the first SR so I'll pick this up for the PS3 next week. I really liked the large number of extra events and minigames the first one had, so if you didn't want to do missions you had a lot of extra things to do, rather then be constantly badgered by people in GTA4 asking to go play minigames.
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webcomics thread posted:I can't decide if to get this or not. It looks pretty dumb but it could be really fun in co-op. It's fun as poo poo even in single player. Seriously, while GTA IV had an awesome story and was an excellent game, if you want OLD SCHOOL GTA, this game does it a lot better. It's fun, it doesn't take itself at all seriously and there's tons of potential for hilarious chaos. And side missions, holy christ there's a lot of side missions. I liked Saints Row, I love Saints Row 2. And there isn't quite as much toilet humor as there was in the original, but it's still not as witty as GTA is at its best. Still, at least the newspaper headlines you get after each mission are hilarious. Spoiler relating to said headlines: After you chase some homeless people out of an abandoned hotel, the headline says "Homeless people even more homeless." That had me laughing for a while
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CitizenKain posted:I really liked the large number of extra events and minigames the first one had, so if you didn't want to do missions you had a lot of extra things to do, rather then be constantly badgered by people in GTA4 asking to go play minigames. You were badgered to do the minigames in Saints Row too, you had to fill up your respect meter to attempt missions at all. This is same in 2 but now there are many more ways to earn respect (in-mission stuff like headshots, etc.) so hopefully it won't be as annoying.
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ElwoodCuse posted:You were badgered to do the minigames in Saints Row too, you had to fill up your respect meter to attempt missions at all. This is same in 2 but now there are many more ways to earn respect so hopefully it won't be as annoying. It's not. I'm nearly about half done. I've crushed the first gang and halfway through the second, so roughly midway through the plot. I've completed Insurance Fraud and done a few levels of the rest, and I'm constantly at about 6-8 bars of respect. The cool thing is that they give you a lot more for shooting gangers, blowing poo poo up and even doing missions.
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 15:47 |
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I can't wait for this game. How can you not like a game that has trannies and lets you place a stripper pole in your pad?
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Yeah I was watching a couple different streams of SR2 and it seems to give you respect for doing ANYTHING. The Zombie Uprising game looks like alot of fun too You get a zombie mask for beating it! . I got to see some of the things you can wear and you can wear a Borat-esque swinsuit  I heard you can import your SR1 character, C/D?
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| # ? Oct 08, 2008 15:53 |
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Looking forward to this one for sure..... Here's some screens:        
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KingShiro posted:I heard you can import your SR1 character, C/D? Uhh... it sure didn't give me that option. Plus, when you start the game you wake up from a long-rear end coma and essentially get full body cosmetic surgery, so it would be kinda meaningless.
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KingShiro posted:
Deny. \/\/\/ 14th is the release date in the US, I don't remember what the scheduled release date is elsewhere, but it shouldn't be long after. This is for the 360 and PS3 versions; PC will be later. Kakesu fucked around with this message at Oct 08, 2008 around 16:33 |
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Edit: I am stupid and cannot read the OP Man, I dunno whether to get the 360 version or wait another month for the cheaper PC version. It'd give me a reason to blow the dust of my console, but I prefer playing on my PC. Songbearer fucked around with this message at Oct 08, 2008 around 16:34 |
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The Pantheon posted:And seriously who writes Saints Row radio content? Two & A Half Men's interns? The Stephan radio ads were my favorite. They never got old
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Supposedly, this one is much more polished than the first. I mean it isn't going for the GTAIV high crime drama angle, period, but I hear that it pretty well matches what GTA was pre-GTAIV. Mostly humourous, some theoretically serious plot devices that are interesting but background, lots of potential for sandbox whatever, etc. Would you say that's true? That is - that it fixes just about everything Saints Row 1 did wrong, and just continues the sandbox gameplay in the direction set by Vice City or San Andreas instead of the GTAIV serious angle.
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So, uh, I was just wonderin' if the PlayStation 3 version's Trophies are the exact same as the Xbox 360 version's Achievements? I haven't been able to find out anything about the Trophy list for Saints Row 2 and seeing how it comes out soon, I'd have expected to see the list by now.
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Policenaut posted:So, uh, I was just wonderin' if the PlayStation 3 version's Trophies are the exact same as the Xbox 360 version's Achievements? I haven't been able to find out anything about the Trophy list for Saints Row 2 and seeing how it comes out soon, I'd have expected to see the list by now. The PS3 version does not have Trophy support.
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Shalinor posted:Supposedly, this one is much more polished than the first. I mean it isn't going for the GTAIV high crime drama angle, period, but I hear that it pretty well matches what GTA was pre-GTAIV. Mostly humourous, some theoretically serious plot devices that are interesting but background, lots of potential for sandbox whatever, etc. Would you say that's true? Yes, yes I would. In fact I think I already did
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Kakesu posted:The PS3 version does not have Trophy support. source (as of August 5th '08) quote:Sutton also confirmed that Volition’s forthcoming Saints Row 2 would feature unique Trophies and Achievements for the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions of the game, respectively. I was really looking forward to them, bleh, thanks for the clear-up.
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Shalinor posted:Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis? Either Dan misspoke, or they misquoted him.
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ElwoodCuse posted:You were badgered to do the minigames in Saints Row too, you had to fill up your respect meter to attempt missions at all. This is same in 2 but now there are many more ways to earn respect (in-mission stuff like headshots, etc.) so hopefully it won't be as annoying. I think I did a handful of side missions and I never had to worry about the respect meter after that. Plus most of the side missions were fun enough on their own that I didn't mind, although the later Dealing missions were a little too difficult.
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Man, this is one of my most anticipated games of this year. Although I'm salivating for Fallout 3, Fable 2, Far Cry 2, and Midnight Club; this game is one I know I will be playing the poo poo out of because it will be so much absurd, retarded fun. I loved the first one despite all the technical issues and although I liked GTAIV to a certain extent, the more serious and realistic tone sort of got in the way of why I play open world games. This will allow me to wreak havoc and just do outlandish poo poo unlike GTAIV where if I shoot my gun in my apartment by accident with no one around I get a friggin wanted star. I know the first thing I will do is run out and get a katana so I can run around slashing the crap out of random pedestrians and being a complete rear end.
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Mike Hock posted:Man, this is one of my most anticipated games of this year. Although I'm salivating for Fallout 3, Fable 2, Far Cry 2, and Midnight Club; this game is one I know I will be playing the poo poo out of because it will be so much absurd, retarded fun. I loved the first one despite all the technical issues and although I liked GTAIV to a certain extent, the more serious and realistic tone sort of got in the way of why I play open world games. I agree with this. The first thing I will do is make my character look EXACTLY like Christian Bale, then chase everybody around with a chainsaw. Naked.
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I've been playing it for about a week on and off, which means me sitting down planning on playing for an hour an sitting there for 3-4 hours playing missions, doing activities, and running around trying to find fun stuff to do. The graphics aren't anything amazing, but its not something I notice once I start playing. Like other people have said, it takes itself less seriously then GTAIV. Overall I think its one of the better 360 games to come out in the last 6 months to a year. I also enjoyed the first one, so I expected this to be an improvement.
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Someone tell me about Co-op, because that will be the big draw for me. Is it splitscreen, Live-only, Is it story mode or three boring missions?
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Any game that has Garey Busey hucking it automatically gets at least a 70/100 from me.
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So are the assassination missions fun this time? Having to cruise around and hope the targeted ped spawns with the icon was a pain in the rear end.
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tentaclesex posted:I'm excited for this. It's a little embarrassing. ps3? I'm getting it too!
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raverrn posted:Someone tell me about Co-op, because that will be the big draw for me. Is it splitscreen, Live-only, Is it story mode or three boring missions? I'm really hoping it's splitscreen but the previews make it sound like you need two systems (either over Live or a network) to play co-op. I’m really hoping I’m wrong though.
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