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Cosmopolitan posted:It worked for me when I bought it. If you don't mind me asking what Opera and what Platform? (me: 9.64, Mac. Old but quicktime controls are still broken in 10.x)
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Jun 12, 2010 04:33
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EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL 
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kapalama posted:If you don't mind me asking what Opera and what Platform? (me: 9.64, Mac. Old but quicktime controls are still broken in 10.x) poo poo, I'm sorry, I just pieced together the dates, and I was actually using Chrome at the time. (I was in Linux at the time, and I didn't start using Opera again until 3 June, when they fixed the fonts.)
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Jun 12, 2010 07:16
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New build http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/06/12/saturday-snapshot
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Jun 12, 2010 19:32
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Lakitu7 posted:New build
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Jun 12, 2010 19:52
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I don't tend to keep up with the finer details of the Opera roadmap as I should, but does anyone know if they've announced interest in running multi process like IE/Chrome does now? I believe Firefox is going that route very soon (perhaps 4.0?) Opera's a great browser, but they tend to make sweeping changes and the alphas are quite unstable. Having it not take down my entire session when it crashes would be a godsend... 
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Jun 13, 2010 18:37
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feld posted:I don't tend to keep up with the finer details of the Opera roadmap as I should, but does anyone know if they've announced interest in running multi process like IE/Chrome does now? I believe Firefox is going that route very soon (perhaps 4.0?) Uh, they can waste precious time on that, or spend more time making Opera more stable. It should be obvious which is the more useful option. Also, how do you even get crashes? I'm less of a power-user and more of an abuser in terms of what i force Opera to handle, but i can't even remember the last time it crashed. Plus, unlike the other two browsers, if you DO crash Opera has your session saved anyhow, so what does it matter?
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Jun 14, 2010 04:11
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I guess Opera crashed a lot when I was using an alpha version of flash and occasionally the snapshots aren't very stable, but other than that I basically never see crashes. Even with 350 pages open it doesn't take all that long to start, too.
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Jun 14, 2010 06:32
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Mithaldu posted:Uh, they can waste precious time on that, or spend more time making Opera more stable. It should be obvious which is the more useful option. Also, how do you even get crashes? I'm less of a power-user and more of an abuser in terms of what i force Opera to handle, but i can't even remember the last time it crashed. Plus, unlike the other two browsers, if you DO crash Opera has your session saved anyhow, so what does it matter? It's actually crashed on me quite a few times as well, at least with the prerelease builds. As you said, it saves the sessions, so it's not that big of a deal to me, and besides, it should be expected with snapshot builds anyway. But I find your.. arugment? puzzling. The whole point of having each tab running as its own process would be stability.  Edit: VVVVVVVVV Ah, I see your point. Yeah, I can agree that they shouldn't drop everything they're doing, especially since they don't even have the cross-platform releases synchronized yet. But perhaps for version 11 or something. Cosmopolitan fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jun 14, 2010 |
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Jun 14, 2010 06:34
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Cosmopolitan posted:It's actually crashed on me quite a few times as well, at least with the prerelease builds. As you said, it saves the sessions, so it's not that big of a deal to me, and besides, it should be expected with snapshot builds anyway. But I find your.. arugment? puzzling. The whole point of having each tab running as its own process would be stability. My main point is: It is a waste of time. The problem of having a browser run as a cohesive whole, yet in separate processes is very, VERY non-trivial. Let me demonstrate just how non-trivial: Even Google Chrome does not spawn a process per tab. It only spawns a maximum of 10 or so processes, each of which handles multiple tabs. Yes, this means that if you go above that you may not have your entire browser crash, but instead random tabs will be taking down by one misbehaving tab. Even Google was not able to figure out a viable way handling inter-process-communication on a level that would enable full separation without raping RAM, CPU and bus bandwidth entirely. A MUCH more productive use of time is to ensure that any sort of crash is as painless and consequence-free as possible (as is the case with Opera) and more importantly: To reduce the chances of crashing as much as possible by actually hunting down and fixing crash bugs or at least trapping them as much as possible. Opera actually does that as well, occasionally the flash plugin will break on my laptop because it's an old and beaten piece of hardware. Does Opera crash? No, it just pops up a window telling me what happened and suggests i restart it at earliest convenience.
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Jun 14, 2010 06:44
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I get about one crash a week. Basically the only thing annoying about it is it always restores all the tabs at the end of their history, even if that's not where I was: e.g. if I click a link, then hit back, and leave the tab there at the point of the crash, it'll go back to the link, so I end up having a few tabs be in the "wrong" place and I have to hit back. The crash reporter only came into being not too long ago and since then the frequency has really gone down.
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Jun 14, 2010 07:11
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I'd estimate I get a minimum of 10 crashes a day right now running the prerelease. I've had issues where when it restores my session it keeps crashing. It's been sort of frustrating in that regard. Yes, I know I should expect instability when running a prerelease but when it crashes just from clicking a link.... come on guys! 
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Jun 14, 2010 13:28
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feld posted:I'd estimate I get a minimum of 10 crashes a day right now running the prerelease. I've had issues where when it restores my session it keeps crashing. It's been sort of frustrating in that regard. Yes, I know I should expect instability when running a prerelease but when it crashes just from clicking a link.... come on guys! How about some details as to where these crashes are produced? Sounds like you're just dealing with one specific site that should be bug-reported.
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Jun 14, 2010 13:33
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feld posted:I'd estimate I get a minimum of 10 crashes a day right now running the prerelease. I've had issues where when it restores my session it keeps crashing. It's been sort of frustrating in that regard. Yes, I know I should expect instability when running a prerelease but when it crashes just from clicking a link.... come on guys! Mostly related to flash players, but haven't managed to pinpoint it.
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Jun 14, 2010 14:05
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Jun 14, 2010 16:48
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Tikki posted:New snapshot Holy crap do they ever sleep? I was thinking "man I'd like another snapshot" and then out of nowhere they delivered.  They either work at an amazing pace or are incredibly awesome at releasing builds. Not even chrome releases this many builds in a week. Mithaldu posted:How about some details as to where these crashes are produced? Sounds like you're just dealing with one specific site that should be bug-reported. Nope. It's very random. News sites, links off reddit and fark, etc. I can't find the pattern. 
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Mithaldu posted:My main point is: It is a waste of time. The problem of having a browser run as a cohesive whole, yet in separate processes is very, VERY non-trivial. Let me demonstrate just how non-trivial: Even Google Chrome does not spawn a process per tab. It only spawns a maximum of 10 or so processes, each of which handles multiple tabs. Yes, this means that if you go above that you may not have your entire browser crash, but instead random tabs will be taking down by one misbehaving tab. Even Google was not able to figure out a viable way handling inter-process-communication on a level that would enable full separation without raping RAM, CPU and bus bandwidth entirely. Honestly, if they wanted to, I'd be fine with them throwing the plug-ins into their own processes or whatever. I don't think we need full-on Chrome-level process-per-tab but I don't think it'd be too out of the way to sandbox the plug-ins a little.
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Jun 14, 2010 23:24
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I really wish they would fix Facebook chat......
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Jun 15, 2010 01:00
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Crap. Came home to find that the latest snapshot doesn't have working webm on my desktop. Wonder what the difference is... both running Squeeze, but the working one is Intel graphics while at home I have Nvidia. I doubt it's a driver... gotta be something codec/video framework related....
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Jun 15, 2010 01:37
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Startacus posted:I really wish they would fix Facebook chat...... I was recently forced to use it and it worked fine?
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Jun 15, 2010 07:35
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Mithaldu posted:Even Google Chrome does not spawn a process per tab. It only spawns a maximum of 10 or so processes, each of which handles multiple tabs. Off-topic but, where did you hear this? That 10 number is wrong but the broader point might be true. Just wondering where this came from.
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Save the whales posted:Off-topic but, where did you hear this? That 10 number is wrong but the broader point might be true. Just wondering where this came from. Observation with Process Explorer. Also, yeah, that's why i said 10 or so, couldn't remember the exact number but it's in the neighborhood.
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Jun 15, 2010 08:26
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Mithaldu posted:Observation with Process Explorer. Also, yeah, that's why i said 10 or so, couldn't remember the exact number but it's in the neighborhood. Oh ok - I noticed a similar thing but at 40+ processes (on a brand new machine though). Maybe they're doing some performance detection to determine the limit. I was wondering if their developers had explained it somewhere. It would be really interesting that they claim one process per tab when that is not the case.
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Jun 15, 2010 09:24
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The Opera 10.6 beta is out. I just installed it and it's pretty awesome so far.
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feld posted:Crap. Came home to find that the latest snapshot doesn't have working webm on my desktop. Fixed with the just released beta
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Jun 16, 2010 15:47
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Jun 16, 2010 19:21
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Oh man I pushed next through the whole upgrade like usual and was all freaked out when it opened up as a new install. Thankfully it had just decided to install to a new folder and didn't tell me that if I didn't hit "options" at the start. My fonts seem to have reset themselves again though.
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Jun 16, 2010 19:33
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Mithaldu posted:I was recently forced to use it and it worked fine? Every message that gets sent causes the chat window to scroll all the way to the top. It's unbelievably annoying.
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Jun 16, 2010 22:27
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This beta has crashed for me something like 4-5 times today even though the last couple of weeklies weren't even close to that. Considering the changelog was pretty uninteresting between the last weekly and this I'd suggest skipping this update. I don't think it's a real big deal but when there's not much gained why deal with it?
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Found an interesting problem this morning. Using 10.53 on Windows 7 Pro. I had originally set mailto: as Gmail, and it worked fine. This morning I clicked a mailto: and Windows Live Mail decided to handle it instead. I see that it is set in Windows as the default mail app. I tried setting Opera itself as the default mail app, but when I click a mailto: Opera spazzes out opening and closing a tab. I'm thinking I probably need to uninstall Live Mail, make sure mailtos are working with Gmail in Opera, then reinstall Live Mail and not set it as the default Windows mail app, but are there any other suggestions first?
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Jun 18, 2010 15:22
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Does anyone else have the problem where mobile versions of popular websites are loading instead of the regular ones?
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Jun 18, 2010 18:39
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New build looks to be full of crash fixes, so hopefully I'll stop crashing so much.  http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/06/17/core-fixes - CORE-26469 (Flash doesn't always paint initially until forced (YouTube channels)) This one is nice that was annoying. Zarfol posted:Does anyone else have the problem where mobile versions of popular websites are loading instead of the regular ones? If it's not that, is Turbo on? Try it off. [edit] Happy to report that this build seems to have fixed my issues with frequent crashing in the previous one. I've been using it heavily all day without any so far. Lakitu7 fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 19, 2010 |
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Jun 18, 2010 18:56
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Can anyone do me a favor and check if the new Opera builds fix the stupid Facebook chat, please?
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One thing I'm glad about is that the 10.60b1 has fixed the issue I had in 10.50 on Windows 7 where every tab was treated like a Window by the Windows 7 taskbar, meaning it was a pain in the arse to use after opening a second tab, let alone the twelve I'd typically have open at any one time. Was this a common issue for anyone else or is it a peculiarity of my machine (apologies if people were discussing this pages ago but I skipped the 30 or so pages of this thread since last time I read it)?
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Tesseraction posted:One thing I'm glad about is that the 10.60b1 has fixed the issue I had in 10.50 on Windows 7 where every tab was treated like a Window by the Windows 7 taskbar, meaning it was a pain in the arse to use after opening a second tab, let alone the twelve I'd typically have open at any one time. Was this a common issue for anyone else or is it a peculiarity of my machine (apologies if people were discussing this pages ago but I skipped the 30 or so pages of this thread since last time I read it)? Internet Explorer has the same window/tab thing as default, which Opera tried out and I don't think many people really liked it. That could be disabled in opera:config, which was the first thing I usually changed. It can now be toggled on and off directly in the tab options now, though. 
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I was annoyed less once people (in this thread I think) told me you could ctrl+click on the icon to get it back up in one click without picking a tab. That said when they disabled it by default I didn't turn it back on either. Anyway, new build is up with some more fixes: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/06/18/weekend-fixes
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Blodskur posted:Internet Explorer has the same window/tab thing as default, which Opera tried out and I don't think many people really liked it. That could be disabled in opera:config, which was the first thing I usually changed. It can now be toggled on and off directly in the tab options now, though. Ah yes, it is in opera:config, cheers! I couldn't tell if it was a bug (since can anyone really find this useful?) so I never bothered to look beyond the normal preferences menus. Still, it would be nice if they made the option to disable it available in the normal preferences menu when they first release this feature, instead of in the subsequent beta releases. All's well that ends well, though, I guess, at least it is disable-able.
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They released 2.54 today, but that's pretty unexciting to most of the thread since we're running 2.6 weeklies. This is just a backport of some security fixes for the "release builds only" crowd.
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Lakitu7 posted:They released 2.54 today, but that's pretty unexciting to most of the thread since we're running 2.6 weeklies. This is just a backport of some security fixes for the "release builds only" crowd. You should probably update dude, you're like 14 years behind.
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Oh hah whoops. I don't know what was in my head there. 10.x of course...
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