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SoundMonkey
Apr 22, 2006

"Let the liquor do the thinking modding."

nonanone posted:

I was thinking like one of the plastic ones that are sweet and wipe off super easy but they're quite expensive.

One of the places I work at has a vinyl one, they're really only good for permanent installation (if this thing is folded at all, the wrinkles won't come out for weeks).

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TeMpLaR
Jan 13, 2001

"Not A Crook"

Any recommendations for what stands and a crossbar to buy to hold seamless paper? I need the seamless to go 8' at most. Probably less.

brad industry
May 22, 2004


I like the telescoping pole Calumet sells.


If I have C-stands I just use the arms to hold a seamless up.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007


Do you guys use Eneloops or Nizn batteries for your strobes? I can't decide if it's worth buying the Nizns or not.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

me give my heart
to a white woman

NOT FOR NOTHIN'
NEVER HAPPEN
I BE FOREVER MACKIN'


Shmoogy posted:

Do you guys use Eneloops or Nizn batteries for your strobes? I can't decide if it's worth buying the Nizns or not.
Duracell's "pre-charged" batteries are the same technology as the Eneloops, as are most any other batteries that are advertised similarly. Sanyo no longer is the only player in that arena. I use the Duracells in hotshoe strobes and Pocket Wizards.

notlodar
Sep 11, 2001

I think it's time to get rid of THAT DAMN EQ AVATAR GRRR GRRR GRRRR GRRRRRRRRR

TeMpLaR posted:

Any recommendations for what stands and a crossbar to buy to hold seamless paper? I need the seamless to go 8' at most. Probably less.
If you don't need anything compact, you can get conduit pipe for pretty cheap at Home Depot.

poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

TeMpLaR posted:

Any recommendations for what stands and a crossbar to buy to hold seamless paper? I need the seamless to go 8' at most. Probably less.

I recently used a system that uses the cardboard center as the support pole. It's just tension based end pieces that go in and tighten/thicken to hold. It worked really well, and means you only have to carry the stands and end butts.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Shmoogy posted:

Do you guys use Eneloops or Nizn batteries for your strobes?
I keep a set of eneloop-like batteries as backup so I don't have to charge them as often. They work great.

Stregone
Sep 1, 2006


Interrupting Moss posted:

Duracell's "pre-charged" batteries are the same technology as the Eneloops, as are most any other batteries that are advertised similarly. Sanyo no longer is the only player in that arena. I use the Duracells in hotshoe strobes and Pocket Wizards.

I got some of the tenergy LSD batteries and they seem to be just as good as the rayovac hybrids I use. They are cheap as hell too.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

me give my heart
to a white woman

NOT FOR NOTHIN'
NEVER HAPPEN
I BE FOREVER MACKIN'


Stregone posted:

I got some of the tenergy LSD batteries and they seem to be just as good as the rayovac hybrids I use. They are cheap as hell too.
I didn't know Tenergy made the magic slow discharge batteries; I have lots of their vanilla NiMH batteries, they're as good as anything else, too.

e: Realize that most "manufacturers" just buy the product from the same factory and rebrand it.

Mannequin
Mar 8, 2003


TeMpLaR posted:

Any recommendations for what stands and a crossbar to buy to hold seamless paper? I need the seamless to go 8' at most. Probably less.

I have this one. It's okay. I give it maybe a 7/10. I also considered getting this one. At the time, they didn't have the promotion they have now (free roll of white seamless), and the reviews said it was a bit wobbly. Mine wobbles a bit, too, but it's not really at risk of falling over. My guess is that, in terms of quality, they're about equal. I have mine set to 12' so that it can comfortably hold 9' paper, which is standard paper width. If you're photographing people, you really need 9' length. It sounds awfully long but you really don't have to stand that far back before you see the edges of the paper, depending on your lens. (In poopinmymouth's shot on the previous page, that looks like 9' paper to me).

If you're shooting products or something I would go with smaller size paper, 53" is the next one down, then 26". Those are standards that you'll be stuck with.

My main frustration with my background stand is that if I want to shoot something smaller, 9 ft. wide paper can be difficult to work with. In a way, I wish I purchased this so that I could load shorter length paper on some of the other bars.


Shmoogy posted:

Do you guys use Eneloops or Nizn batteries for your strobes? I can't decide if it's worth buying the Nizns or not.

I was amazed at how incredible the Pearstone batteries from B&H were. Much better than my rechargeable Duracells that I put so much faith into. (Brand name does not necessarily equate to better quality). Not only do the Pearstones charge more quickly, they KEEP their charge much longer. Coupled with the Pearstone Recharger, they're ideal for strobes.

Do I sound like an advertisement or what?

Mannequin fucked around with this message at Feb 7, 2010 around 23:18

brad industry
May 22, 2004


This is the one I use, highly recommend it.

http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/BG4245/

bung
Dec 14, 2004



Shmoogy posted:

Go buy the same one I did, they're more powerful than 430ex, and have optical slave sensor things built in.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...em=250485519405

Thanks for the tip. I just ordered this, a small light stand and a hotshoe adapter with sync port.

squidflakes
Aug 27, 2009


SHORTBUS

It looks like I might be settling on a storage unit for my first studio space. None of them had particularly high ceilings, but the price is right.

Does anyone have any suggestions for controlling spill from a low ceiling? I was just going to stick up some pieces of black foam core.

TeMpLaR
Jan 13, 2001

"Not A Crook"

I ordered a second AB800, another cybersync, three tripods, and the background bar as well as the 9'x12 yard seamless.

Any suggestions before I set off on the world of product photography, specifically T-Shirts on a model? What websites are good to look at for inspiration?

Factory Ten
Feb 8, 2010


Can someone explain to me the basics of fill flash, and when to use it?

LuisX
Aug 4, 2004
Sword Chuck, yo!

TeMpLaR posted:

I ordered a second AB800, another cybersync, three tripods, and the background bar as well as the 9'x12 yard seamless.

Any suggestions before I set off on the world of product photography, specifically T-Shirts on a model? What websites are good to look at for inspiration?

Hope to god that the model is white if the t shirt is white, or the the model is black if the model is of dark colors.

Jahoodie
Jun 27, 2005
Wooo.... college!

Factory Ten posted:

Can someone explain to me the basics of fill flash, and when to use it?

Fill flash is adding a small amount of light to soften or eliminate the shadows.

For example, person standing in front of a window, with the sun behind them. The person will be overexposed if you meter for the window, or the window will be overexposed if you meter for the person. Adding a bit of flash will help you bring shadow (person) closer to the exposure of the highlight (window) so you can get an exposure that fits in your dynamic range.

For portraits/lighting, say you have your main light off to the side, firing bare. This would cast dark shadows across the face. You could add a second flash as fill, so the shadows lighten and aren't as dark.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007


If anybody was looking to pick up another set of LSD batteries the eneloop power pack is on sale @ Amazon right now (28$)

http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-277265-...oductPromotions

I just picked up a pack because 8 AAs & a charger alone is normally like $35.

notlodar
Sep 11, 2001

I think it's time to get rid of THAT DAMN EQ AVATAR GRRR GRRR GRRRR GRRRRRRRRR

Any opinions on Roscoe diffusion paper (3008) versus Roscoe grid cloth (3030).

The first step to ultimate control of light is building all of your light modifiers from scratch, right? So I am going to build everything I want with POWER TOOLS an hour before I want it....

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Factory Ten posted:

Can someone explain to me the basics of fill flash, and when to use it?
Add a bit of flash when the main ambient light comes from behind your subject, so it'll be exposed properly instead of looking like a silhouette.

Shmoogy
Mar 21, 2007


Saw this and thought to post it here, I saved the PDFs incase they get taken down. Hoping this will help me with learning lightning a little bit:

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id...4ZTAwYWJk&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id...3NWFkMDEz&hl=en


Some lightning diagrams and the resulting picture.

digitalhifi
Jun 5, 2004
In life I have encountered much, but nothing as profound as the statement "all we ever do is do stuff."

Shmoogy posted:

Saw this and thought to post it here, I saved the PDFs incase they get taken down. Hoping this will help me with learning lightning a little bit:

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id...4ZTAwYWJk&hl=en

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id...3NWFkMDEz&hl=en


Some lightning diagrams and the resulting picture.

Neat!

XTimmy
Nov 28, 2007
I am Jacks self hatred

Man you're pretty much forcing me to drop several grand on strobes and studio equipment with those, you know that?

nonanone
Oct 25, 2007




One of my friends just got profotos. I'm so jealous.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

me give my heart
to a white woman

NOT FOR NOTHIN'
NEVER HAPPEN
I BE FOREVER MACKIN'


nonanone posted:

One of my friends just got profotos. I'm so jealous.
So go show him up by making better photos without using Profotos. It can be done. Then you'll feel good about saving money AND making some good shots.

TheFuglyStik
Mar 7, 2003

Attention-starved & smugly condescending, the hipster has been deemed by
top scientists as:
"The self-important, unemployable clowns of the modern age."

notlodar posted:

The first step to ultimate control of light is building all of your light modifiers from scratch, right? So I am going to build everything I want with POWER TOOLS an hour before I want it....

Not sure about the ultimate control part, but building them yourself is usually the best way to go so long as you can keep the results from looking homebrewed. Forgetting the Big Bag o' Strobes at the studio had us running to K-Mart for four shop lights, 100W bulbs, and sheer curtains. It saved our asses for $60 and a bit of creativity with gaffers tape, but it was ugly as hell and didn't look the slightest bit professional.

Black Krylon is the cheap rear end photographer's best friend. 99% of client's probably can't tell the difference after a bit of black paint on light dishes and pvc backdrop stands, since a black finish means professional to most people for some reason.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Interrupting Moss posted:

So go show him up by making better photos without using Profotos. It can be done. Then you'll feel good about saving money AND making some good shots.
Or just mooch the gently caress out of his gear

notlodar
Sep 11, 2001

I think it's time to get rid of THAT DAMN EQ AVATAR GRRR GRRR GRRRR GRRRRRRRRR

TheFuglyStik posted:

Not sure about the ultimate control part, but building them yourself is usually the best way to go so long as you can keep the results from looking homebrewed. Forgetting the Big Bag o' Strobes at the studio had us running to K-Mart for four shop lights, 100W bulbs, and sheer curtains. It saved our asses for $60 and a bit of creativity with gaffers tape, but it was ugly as hell and didn't look the slightest bit professional.

Black Krylon is the cheap rear end photographer's best friend. 99% of client's probably can't tell the difference after a bit of black paint on light dishes and pvc backdrop stands, since a black finish means professional to most people for some reason.
My current part time college job involves making lots of bootleg stuff look professional. Hooray.

But really, I am tired of having to shell out lots of money every time I want the slightest change in my lighting. I know the physics behind it, I can make the stuff myself...

hybr1d
Sep 24, 2002



I'm selling more of my gear because of budget issues. I've got an AlienBees B800 and a bunch of stands over here:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...hreadid=3266228

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Todd Owyoung put up instructions on making a beauty dish. Nothing super ground-breaking here, but at least it sounds simple enough:

http://ishootshows.com/2010/02/09/m...iy-beauty-dish/

bung
Dec 14, 2004



Shmoogy posted:

Quantaray QDC-900WA recommendation

Thanks for the recommendation on this flash. I just got it today and I think mine is still factory sealed with the instructions, wide diffuser and stand. I'm going to order two more tomorrow.

bung fucked around with this message at Feb 11, 2010 around 21:52

TeMpLaR
Jan 13, 2001

"Not A Crook"

Any recommendations on light bags? It needs to hold 3 alienbees and maybe a few light modifiers. I don't want to go Pelican if I can stay away from it.

Hot Cops
Apr 27, 2008


TeMpLaR posted:

Any recommendations on light bags? It needs to hold 3 alienbees and maybe a few light modifiers. I don't want to go Pelican if I can stay away from it.

Lightware makes really, really nice stuff. Probably your best bet for protection/durability if you're not looking to go with hardcases. Their stuff is pretty expensive though.

Factory Ten
Feb 8, 2010


I'm not going to get a decent softbox + speedring for less than $150, am I?

poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

Factory Ten posted:

I'm not going to get a decent softbox + speedring for less than $150, am I?

Yes if you get a Walimex Pro brand. You can either go through ebay, or http://www.foto-walser.biz (it's in english and ships international). I ordered some stuff through foto walser and it was fast, super quick email answers to questions, and cheap.

poopinmymouth
Mar 2, 2005

PROUD 2 B AMERICAN (these colors don't run)

TeMpLaR posted:

Any recommendations on light bags? It needs to hold 3 alienbees and maybe a few light modifiers. I don't want to go Pelican if I can stay away from it.

I really want the Kata Palms 2 or 3, but they are so expensive. Might want to check them out depending on your price range. The Kata website has the best images and descriptions, but you can get them from other online stores.

TeMpLaR
Jan 13, 2001

"Not A Crook"

Wow, the Palms system is really nice. It's also $525. Youch.

brad industry
May 22, 2004


I'm not really a fan of Lightware cases, they are just as heavy as Pelican except without the wheels.

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AIIAZNSK8ER
Dec 8, 2008


Where is your 24-70?

Which would you suggest to start learning with an umbrella or a softbox, or does it not matter because I'll just end up buying both?

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