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DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Fog Tripper posted:

In regards to Sig 239s:
Is there any difference between the slides on a SAS DA/SA and a SAS DAK?
I am contemplating trading for a nitron finish, rather than sending the 2-tone slide off for ceracoat house black.

Not if you're talking about a difference in size. Most Sigs can be freely converted between DA/SA and DAK, and since the only real change is in the trigger mechanism, the size won't be any different.

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Easychair Bootson
May 7, 2004

Where's the last guy?
Ultimo hombre.
Last man standing.
Must've been one.


Fog Tripper posted:

In regards to Sig 239s:
Is there any difference between the slides on a SAS DA/SA and a SAS DAK?
I am contemplating trading for a nitron finish, rather than sending the 2-tone slide off for ceracoat house black.
If you are talking about the same caliber and the same generation of gun I believe they will be the same. Since it's a P239 which is known for having a loose slide-to-frame fit (not all, but many if not most) you may end up with a slightly different fitment on your frame. Seems to me that you'd be better off swapping guns with somebody unless you've got some fancy-pants trigger work.

That, or just send off the slide. SIG will do it for $99, I believe. What's-his-name that does the Ceracoat is probably cheaper.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!


DJExile posted:

Not if you're talking about a difference in size. Most Sigs can be freely converted between DA/SA and DAK, and since the only real change is in the trigger mechanism, the size won't be any different.

That's what I suspect as well. I am not a huge fan of two-tone with the wood grips, and a Nitron-slide owner might be tempted to upgrade to the metallic. It's purely a looks thing.

GroovinPickle posted:

If you are talking about the same caliber and the same generation of gun I believe they will be the same. Since it's a P239 which is known for having a loose slide-to-frame fit (not all, but many if not most) you may end up with a slightly different fitment on your frame. Seems to me that you'd be better off swapping guns with somebody unless you've got some fancy-pants trigger work.

That, or just send off the slide. SIG will do it for $99, I believe. What's-his-name that does the Ceracoat is probably cheaper.

Welp, a straight up trade won't work (entire gun) as they no longer make the DAK/SAS. It's now either-or. Also back then, you could only get it with the metallic-finish slide. To add to the decision, the previous owner had Sig do their trigger smoothing package on it. Lastly, swapping entire pistols would involve transfers via FFL on both ends. While trading slides would be FFL-free.

I originally thought to send it to have the Cerehide done. I heard that it might improve fit of slide to frame. A straight slide trade would set me back shipping only.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at May 27, 2009 around 15:31

Captain von Trapp
Jan 22, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Micromancer posted:

There is no insurance you can buy that will pay for new windows on the house behind your attacker.

There is: the personal liability umbrella policy. After age 25 they're fairly inexpensive, and they cover just about any possible civil liability.

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair


Captain von Trapp posted:

There is: the personal liability umbrella policy. After age 25 they're fairly inexpensive, and they cover just about any possible civil liability.

So I tried looking for policies that cover incedental damages from discharging a weapon, and ran into this:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...10&SessionID=76

Apparently there has to be some kind of insurance available, or every single IL gun owner becomes a criminal next January. Still looking into it.

Good luck, IL.

Edit: Terrible website with really annoying spoken introduction: http://www.xinsurance.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Firearm&utm_term=firearm%20insurance

Rolling over the bottom right graphic shows firearms as one of the optional insurance policies they offer.

Thread over at random message board about Mass's introduction of a similar bill two years ago: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19892

Most notable is the reply: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?s=fac759f5187d64e8701a9dfb13f6ced7&p=254881&postcount=5 which also claims as I did, no one offers that kind of insurance. It's possible it may be available now, but I would expect the policies to be cost prohibitive at best and useless if you are actually sued at worst.

Micromancer fucked around with this message at May 27, 2009 around 18:35

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


Micromancer posted:

So I tried looking for policies that cover incedental damages from discharging a weapon, and ran into this:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...10&SessionID=76

Apparently there has to be some kind of insurance available, or every single IL gun owner becomes a criminal next January. Still looking into it.

Good luck, IL.

Last Action: Tabled By Sponsor
Guess the doom isn't impending quite yet.

Also lol IL

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Schigolch posted:

Also lol IL



With any luck I will be leaving this awful place in late August/early September

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair


charliebravo77 posted:



With any luck I will be leaving this awful place in late August/early September

When you do, be sure to avoid NY, as apparently they have the same thing brewing.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=A03561&sh=t

Discussion of same at http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tp...35/m/6891045251 is pretty amusing.

Captain von Trapp
Jan 22, 2006

I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it.

Micromancer posted:

Most notable is the reply: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...881&postcount=5 which also claims as I did, no one offers that kind of insurance. It's possible it may be available now, but I would expect the policies to be cost prohibitive at best and useless if you are actually sued at worst.

I suppose it depends on what "specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm" means. I'm sure the comment is right that you can't insure yourself against a tort you deliberately set out to commit, but surely the law doesn't intend to require that. Any action you do that accidentally causes you to be liable for damages should be covered, even if the actual trigger pull was deliberate (say, accidentally shooting the neighbor's cat while aiming at an armed robber in your house). Just a few days ago I read about a few cases where bloggers got their butts pulled out of the fire when their umbrella policies paid for defense against libel suits. The policies should work the same way for suits involving firearms.

IANAL, of course.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Any one had any experience with http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/ ? They have some options for CZ-82/83.

poopship
May 2, 2003


Captain von Trapp posted:

IANAL, of course.

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

Count Sacula
Jul 24, 2004

All growns up


poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

It's so popular because you get a triple word score for using an acronym with "ANAL" in it.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

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Kodo Zoku
Mar 6, 2008


poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

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king of the bongo
Apr 26, 2008

If you're brown, GET DOWN!


poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

Your Pussy Wafts A Funky Aroma?

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Oct 3, 2002

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poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

Your Penis Will Aim For Asses?

Character Name
Jun 4, 2008



poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA
You Probably Were A Failed Abortion

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



poopship posted:

I had to look that up. You people will abbreviate loving anything.

YPWAFA

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Edit: Ypres Probably Was A French Atrocity?

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Ophidian
Jan 12, 2005

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Mr. Funny Pants
Apr 9, 2001



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Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!


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Oct 21, 2008


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Oct 3, 2002

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DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Breaking up the acronym train. Sorry.


I just got my MTAC for the PPS and god drat is it great. My Galco holster was nice but had the problem of holding it pretty deep, which can make getting to the gun a little more difficult depending on position. In fairness, the Galco holster I use is specifically for a Glock 36, which is a longer overall gun (shameless self-promotion, comparison pictures here).

The C-clips basically require me to put the holster on my pants without the belt, then slide the belt through them like they're extra loops, but it holds extremely well, and ironically seems to tuck better than the Galco did, which seems kind of odd.

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


DJExile posted:

Breaking up the acronym train. Sorry.


I just got my MTAC for the PPS and god drat is it great. My Galco holster was nice but had the problem of holding it pretty deep, which can make getting to the gun a little more difficult depending on position. In fairness, the Galco holster I use is specifically for a Glock 36, which is a longer overall gun (shameless self-promotion, comparison pictures here).

The C-clips basically require me to put the holster on my pants without the belt, then slide the belt through them like they're extra loops, but it holds extremely well, and ironically seems to tuck better than the Galco did, which seems kind of odd.

Can you post a few pics of the PPS in the MTAC, both by itself and carried perhaps? I am a day or two away from finally pulling the trigger on the same setup.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Schigolch posted:

Can you post a few pics of the PPS in the MTAC, both by itself and carried perhaps? I am a day or two away from finally pulling the trigger on the same setup.

I'll take some tonight and get them up.

vvv Oh you

DJExile fucked around with this message at May 28, 2009 around 16:41

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


DJExile posted:

I'll take some tonight and get them up.

Awesome, thanks.



Don't forget the black garter belt, you know I like it more than the red.

ph4lcon
Apr 23, 2006

The only reason to watch...

will any of the ctac holsters fit a Sig p225?

poopgiggle
Feb 7, 2006

it isn't easy being a cross dominate shooter.

ph4lcon posted:

will any of the ctac holsters fit a Sig p225?

The one made for the P225 will, unless they stopped making it. I have one.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Armacham posted:

Any one had any experience with http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/ ? They have some options for CZ-82/83.
anyone, anyone?

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


I couldn't resist any longer, I went to buy a PPS this afternoon...


And remembered as he was going over the form that I had just moved and my address is no longer valid. SO instead of fudging it (I've only been moved 2 days) being the honest guy I am I put it on layaway to make sure it doesn't walk while I wait for my new license.

ph4lcon
Apr 23, 2006

The only reason to watch...

poopgiggle posted:

The one made for the P225 will, unless they stopped making it. I have one.

I looked on their website and didn't see it listed. maybe I'll shoot them an e-mail.

Kodo Zoku
Mar 6, 2008


Schigolch posted:

I couldn't resist any longer, I went to buy a PPS this afternoon...


And remembered as he was going over the form that I had just moved and my address is no longer valid. SO instead of fudging it (I've only been moved 2 days) being the honest guy I am I put it on layaway to make sure it doesn't walk while I wait for my new license.

What is your license acquisition process like? I get to walk away from the DMV with mine. Being able to get your ID done while-you-wait sounds nicer than waiting for something to show up in the mail, yet Virginians constantly bitch about how terrible and inefficient our DMV is; that being said, the wait is sometimes four hours or more. I've just taken a policy of bringing a book & headphones and enjoying the time away from the office.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!


dukeofurl posted:

I think the NRA offers it, and its around $100 a year or so.

Your legal defense if you get charged with murder one is $50-60k.

Solution: Don't get charged with murder one.
yeah, if you look guilty as poo poo. prosecutors don't do that poo poo for their health, so if they decide to go forward with a full-on trial, it is because you did something hosed up and wrong. in every state in the union, the overwhelming presumption is that a law-abiding shooter is in the clear, especially in a home invasion.

unless you needlessly escalate a situation, go "looking for trouble" when neither you nor anyone else is in any apparent personal danger, shoot an unarmed dude, or shoot somebody who is clearly subdued on camera (hello, all aspiring pharmacists out there), you are going to skate.

Captain von Trapp posted:

There is: the personal liability umbrella policy. After age 25 they're fairly inexpensive, and they cover just about any possible civil liability.
these are only truly necessary if you are a freaking gazillionaire, as most companies won't even get out of bed for an umbrella policy under $1 million. otherwise, a homeowners policy should cover any nominal legal expenses. however, best to ask your agent. most people haven't figured out that insurance agents are there for more than receiving checks.

TenementFunster fucked around with this message at May 29, 2009 around 05:50

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair


Kodo Zoku posted:

What is your license acquisition process like? I get to walk away from the DMV with mine. Being able to get your ID done while-you-wait sounds nicer than waiting for something to show up in the mail, yet Virginians constantly bitch about how terrible and inefficient our DMV is; that being said, the wait is sometimes four hours or more. I've just taken a policy of bringing a book & headphones and enjoying the time away from the office.

Your four hour wait was nine weeks for me here in TN. Even if you only count the time from when everything cleared and it was then put in the mail, that took 10 days.

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


Kodo Zoku posted:

What is your license acquisition process like? I get to walk away from the DMV with mine. Being able to get your ID done while-you-wait sounds nicer than waiting for something to show up in the mail, yet Virginians constantly bitch about how terrible and inefficient our DMV is; that being said, the wait is sometimes four hours or more. I've just taken a policy of bringing a book & headphones and enjoying the time away from the office.

Did the address update online late last week, once I was actually getting mail at the new address, so I should have it any day now - the turnaround on DLs is pretty quick. The one I am worried about is the CHL and how long it might take.

Non-Potable
Oct 2, 2006


Armacham posted:

anyone, anyone?

I've got one of their holsters, but not for a CZ. The one I've got is one of their tuckable setups with the thin kydex. I like it and use it a lot. The fit has loosened up a little over time, but everything else has held up perfectly. I'll probably buy another one from them when it's time.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!


Schigolch posted:

I couldn't resist any longer, I went to buy a PPS this afternoon...


And remembered as he was going over the form that I had just moved and my address is no longer valid. SO instead of fudging it (I've only been moved 2 days) being the honest guy I am I put it on layaway to make sure it doesn't walk while I wait for my new license.

How much did you pay for it?
Someone was selling 2 NIB PPSs on the sigforum classifieds.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at May 29, 2009 around 14:54

Schigolch
Apr 30, 2008

Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb, make thee?


Fog Tripper posted:

How much did you pay for it?
Someone was selling 2 NIB PPSs on the sigforum classifieds.

More than that :/
Oh well. Thanks for SHOWING UP TOO LATE TO HELP.

Got any MTACs for PPSs on your fancy sigforum?

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Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!


Schigolch posted:

More than that :/
Oh well. Thanks for SHOWING UP TOO LATE TO HELP.

Got any MTACs for PPSs on your fancy sigforum?

Probably.

In regards to the PPS, Buds is asking $585 shipped.
So eh. Teach ya to research rather than impulse-buy?

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