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cornface posted:I use the DeSantis Nemesis for my LCP and I love it. Best pocket holster I've tried. Don't get me wrong, plenty of people I've read about have been very happy with the Nemesis, I had just read that with the BG380(sights much taller than most pocket guns) the rear sight tends to snag on the holster and pulls the whole thing out at once.
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Just got a G26 to go with my Raven Concealment Vanguard 2. Probably the most comfortable and concealable combination I've yet found. Wore a t-shirt all day yesterday as my only cover garment and it was awesome. And I have ridiculously high standards for "is it printing?" Only pic I have of it is a really lovely iphone pic but here ya go:  And just the gun, with utilizing the tactical pinky extension technique:  Highly recommend the VG2 as a holster for yo' Glocks. They're not selling 'em yet (facebook preorder WHAT UP) but I think it's worth a look. edited to avoid breaking tables. edit nr. 2: also I will be selling my Sig P238 with three holsters and a spare mag. PM me if interested. Face-to-face Ohio preferred. Elwood P. Dowd fucked around with this message at Apr 15, 2012 around 14:22 |
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Elwood P. Dowd posted:Just got a G26 to go with my Raven Concealment Vanguard 2. Probably the most comfortable and concealable combination I've yet found. Wore a t-shirt all day yesterday as my only cover garment and it was awesome. And I have ridiculously high standards for "is it printing?" What do you think of appendix IWB versus tradition IWB? I have long considered it because its pretty hard for my skinny rear end to conceal a pistol at the 3:00 position during the summer time.
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Kommienzuspadt posted:What do you think of appendix IWB versus tradition IWB? I have long considered it because its pretty hard for my skinny rear end to conceal a pistol at the 3:00 position during the summer time. I carried at 2:00 when I was a skinny little bitch. Now 50 lb later I'm more comfortable at 3:00.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 14:39 |
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On the off chance anyone cares, an LCP is more watertight than a G23. Less water in the chamber and on the round in it, less water in the mag, and less water in the pistol.
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Butch Cassidy posted:On the off chance anyone cares, an LCP is more watertight than a G23. Less water in the chamber and on the round in it, less water in the mag, and less water in the pistol. Yeah, but can it fire underwater? 
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infrared35 posted:Yeah, but can it fire underwater? Dunno, was too busy dragging myself out of the river. I suppose I could have put a round from each into my kayak to help drain the water 
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Were you carrying in your tactikilt?
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 22:31 |
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Nope. And I just had the image of an otter box rigged as a sporran flash through my head. It was not pretty.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2012 23:27 |
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Kommienzuspadt posted:Like I said, the M&P handguns that come with thumb safeties can also have them very easily removed by the end user. I can't imagine that the Shield's thumb safety would be any different. You realize this is one of the dumbest things to suggest to people considering a gun for carrying, right?
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 12:04 |
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I drew my carry gun with intent to use it yesterday for the first time ever. I shot a beaver right in the head. I was taking the dogs for a walk on the father in laws property, and he told me that if I see a beaver to shoot it. It's been taking down trees and ruining his fences and sugaring lines. The game warden gave him the go-ahead to shoot it out of season since it is causing damage to his property. At least I know it works.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 12:46 |
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Internet Wizard posted:You realize this is one of the dumbest things to suggest to people considering a gun for carrying, right? Why is that?
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 13:17 |
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Butch Cassidy posted:Why is that? Probably a legal standpoint. Using a gun with a modified/removed safety in a self-defense situation wouldn't exactly do you any favors.
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The possibility that you might maybe see a prosecutor try to make an issue of your missing safety after the police give an unfavorable report and the state decides to press charges shouldn't really be one of your biggest concerns. Which is why I asked why it is Internet Wizard posted:...one of the dumbest things to suggest...
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Butch Cassidy posted:The possibility that you might maybe see a prosecutor try to make an issue of your missing safety after the police give an unfavorable report and the state decides to press charges shouldn't really be one of your biggest concerns. This was discussed just a week or so ago in here, too. In addition to the possibility of being painted as a crazed gunman disabling safety devices, there's the chance (most likely in a civil suit) of an attorney making the argument that you didn't have the intent to fire. You negligently discharged during the tense situation because the safety mechanisms on your gun had been disabled/removed. Thinking back, this was brought up in regard to having very light triggers, but the argument is similar.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 14:07 |
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Could you not simply counter with, "Yes it was intentional."
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As much as I think that the idea of carrying around a gun with a removed safety or carrying something with a 2 pound match trigger is loving moronic, can anyone point to any instances where a prosecutor actually tried to gently caress someone based on what they were carrying? I know there was that single instance of the guy with the 10mm or whatever, but I also seem to remember that case had more to it than that. Every time these subjects come up it always seems like a bunch of hand-wringing over prosecutors with agendas when there is very little evidence of this being a real problem. Most of the things that people argue against based on that line of thinking are still retarded, though, just for basic safety or other reasons.
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Internet Wizard posted:This was discussed just a week or so ago in here, too. So, removing a sefty is one of the dumbest things you can do because you might be given a little extra poo poo in a courtroom? Despite court history across all the varied states in the U.S. and in all the cases recorded by experts there has not been one instance of this happening. Hell Sykes and Fairbairn published a whole book advocating that civilians should carry 1911s with pinned safeties around the time our grandparents were born. In all those years of it being advocated by experts, it has still yet to be used against anyone. That doesn't mean it will never give someone cause for grief, or is even a good idea, but it is so far down the list of poo poo to worry about that calling it one of the biggest issues is pretty loving stupid.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 14:25 |
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Listen, mister, if you're going to put it like that then I guess you have a valid point and I'll take that into consideration 
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I think most of the paranoia about modified guns being used for self defense comes from Mas Ayoob columns in various glossy ad-filled gun magazines.
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Are there any recommended holsters for appendix carry of a G26? Preferably tuck-able and leather*? I might give baby Glocks a try in the future and appendix carry seems like the best way to conceal one in my circumstances. * Edit: Which I am pretty sure is a pipe-dream. I'm guessing a Comp-Tac Two O'Clock is going to be my best bet if I want tuck-able? Butch Cassidy fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 16:18 |
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You skinny guys with your appendix carry. One of my customers is this guy - http://www.glocktech.com/purchase/buy_mic.php I'm thinking about getting a few of these but I really don't like a gun pressed against my belly, aimed at my junk
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Huh, this was in the Glock thread and I spent ten minutes looking for it in this one:poopgiggle posted:Appendix carry is pretty much the greatest for skinny people. I'm not skinny by any means and am built about like the student or whatever he is in the video. Edit to call Yeager an arrogant jackass. Butch Cassidy fucked around with this message at Apr 16, 2012 around 18:08 |
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I don't really care for Yeager either but the student knows what's up re: appendix carry.
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| # ? Apr 16, 2012 19:21 |
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I wouldn't mind giving appendix a shot with my PPS as I'm similarly built to the dude in that video. Maybe when that Vanguard2 comes out.
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I think after today I am rethinking the idea of pocket carry. I finally had a free day to renew my CPL and take care of some other things. When I got home I sat in my car for a few minutes listening to a news story on the radio. As I removed my seat belt I saw from over my shoulder a guy approaching me. He was a little shorter than me but a litter bit heavier in the gut. In fact, he looked a lot like this but dressed in black: I assumed he was lost and asking for directions, or a door-to-door salesman. Since I had already taken out my keys I couldn't roll down the windows. I started opening it when he grabbed the door and finished opening it. He was standing over me so I could only put one leg out of my truck. I could tell that he was a bit disgruntled so I thought maybe I did something on the road and this might be road range. He asked in an angry yet sarcastic tone if I knew anyone near some lake I had never heard of. He said something about how someone had been following him for the last few days and that he was so mad he was going to "Lay him out." Honestly, he could have been speaking the language Greedo spoke because once I saw how pissed he was I went on defensive auto pilot. I don't even remember how, but I managed to get my hand in my pocket, and before I knew it my LCP was cleared from its holster, though still in my pocket and under my shirt. After a few seconds of ranting, and once I was able to get mostly out of my truck he backed down and got back in his car. He was parked on the street where I couldn't see him. Maybe he realized he had the wrong guy, or he didn't think he could take me in a fight, or he saw me drawing my gun. I was just glad he didn't take a swing at me because I literally had nowhere to run. I threw my work duty belt over my shoulder, hoping he would see it and think I was a cop or something, and rethink any hostile acts, and went into my house. I looked up the lake he mentioned, and found it to be a few towns to the east, about a half hour away. I hadn't been anywhere near that area in at least two years. I'm guessing he must have seen my truck and followed me, thinking I was the guy who had been following him. My main reason for telling this story is that if the situation had gone differently, and the guy was violent from the beginning, there is no way I could have drawn from the seated position. I had enough trouble getting as far as I did. I've never put any thought into it before, but I was totally complacent. It was the middle of the day, in my own driveway, in a safe neighborhood. I wasn't looking around for any threats and one got within a few feet from me before I noticed. I'm really thinking I should use a belt holster of some sort with the LCP because at least I could draw it from the seated position in a hurry.
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I pocket carry my LCP 90% of the time but I do keep a belt-clip or paddle holster in the car - for worst-case scenarios as you just described, but also because driving with a lump of metal under your buttcheeks just isn't very pleasant Gray Stormy being the exception
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Internet Wizard posted:You realize this is one of the dumbest things to suggest to people considering a gun for carrying, right? Uh, no? Are you retarded? S&W designed the safety to be removeable. Literally millions of people carry pistols without manual safeties on a daily basis. I am one of them. Lay off the hash pipe dude. emathey posted:Could you not simply counter with, "Yes it was intentional." You could also counter with "I removed it as the manufacturer designed; they offer the same pistol without a manual safety, too. Additionally, this is a stupid paranoid fantasy delusion that I live in because I read too much Massad Ayoob. Time for me to wake up and graduate high school." Kommienzuspadt fucked around with this message at Apr 17, 2012 around 01:26 |
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cornface posted:I think most of the paranoia about modified guns being used for self defense comes from Mas Ayoob columns in various glossy ad-filled gun magazines. If I read Masad columns I'd sell all my guns for fear of being incarcerated for life should I ever use them. The guy is a big scare monger for use of your weapon.
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I thought i'd pop in here to give my impressions of the new S&W M&P9 Shield after screwing around with one over the weekend. They released them to us dealers on Thursday and i snagged a few. All of them are already sold so this isn't an ad, just a little review from me. I've handled and fired a good number of the polymer framed; single stack CCW pistols out now: Ruger LC9, Kahr CM, CW, and PMs, Beretta BU9 Nano, and of course my beloved Walther PPS 9mm. Now, i've had a few S&W M&P9 Shields come in and out very rapidly and my general feeling towards them is positive. Of course I haven't fired one yet though. Ok... I am assuming you all know the basics: 6.2" long, 4.6" tall, 0.98 wide, 19 oz. Pretty standard and actually a bit on the heavy side honestly. The Shield has a metal guide rod; which is something a lot of guys retrofit into their Walthers and Glocks. It also has steel sights. I do not like the thumb safety on the M&P fullsize and compacts, so i thought i'd hate the one on the Shield. Surprisingly, i do not. Its small and really out of the way. I do not think it hurts anything being there and might provide some with an extra sense of security. The Shield's trigger is frankly, quite nice to me, for a subcompact CCW. I like it better than the Nano's for sure and it has a nice crisp break. The Shield does not have a mag disconnect safety. The gun's magazines are a bit interesting. They are not true single stacks. I am sure this has been brought up before, but I am saying it again, the rounds are slightly staggered. This allows for 1 more round in them as compared to others. For example, the flush fit mag of my PPS holds 6 and the flush fit of the Shield holds 7. Both mags are the same height though. Ditto for the extended mags, 7 in my WAlther and 8 in the Smith. S&W also claims this design makes for a more reliable magazine with a low chance of bullet-lock. Speaking of mags, its nice the Shield comes with 2. In fact, it seems like everyone is getting back to shipping with 2 mags standard now; after the 2009/2010 reduction to only 1 in most guns. The Nano and PPS both ship with 2 now, though the Kahr CM and CWs still ship with a single magazine. The M&P Shield seems like it was designed to be a bit more durable and reliable than maybe some others and thats its strong suit. Its specs are not impressive but not horrible. There are just so many CCW pieces being offered now, which is a good thing. I think the Shield will do well, especially at below $400. just thought i'd share.
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Aziraphale posted:If I read Masad columns I'd sell all my guns for fear of being incarcerated for life should I ever use them. The guy is a big scare monger for use of your weapon. The only thing his articles have going for them is that their titles all seem like something you'd see in Boy's Life or old pulp magazines. "TERROR AT THE SUPERMARKET!" "A BREAKFAST OF NIGHTMARES!" "I SURVIVED PICKLED EGGS AND ASSAULT!"
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You know, I'm coming around on the M&P Shield. The more I read about it the better it looks. I'll have to feel one soon.
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Yeah the more I hear the more I like. Definitely gonna look hard at one of those.
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Uncle Caveman posted:I pocket carry my LCP 90% of the time but I do keep a belt-clip or paddle holster in the car - for worst-case scenarios as you just described, but also because driving with a lump of metal under your buttcheeks just isn't very pleasant Yeah, this was really a one in a million type thing. When I work, I normally carry a full sized gun in an OWB holster, since I'm just going from the office to home. In fact, the only reason I would have a gun on me then is because the place I would most likely be jumped would be leaving the office parking lot. I've been thinking about getting one of the newer single stack 9mms on the market, and using a belt holster. This motivated me even more. At the very least, I'll be getting a regular holster for the LCP just to wear in the car, since I do like pocket carrying out on the street.
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Mishaco posted:S&W also claims this design makes for a more reliable magazine with a low chance of bullet-lock.
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Kommienzuspadt posted:Yeah the more I hear the more I like. Definitely gonna look hard at one of those. Hey go post about Hornady in the ar15 thread thanks
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Applied for my CCW, and got it back!!  But, they spelled my name wrong 
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Illegal Clown posted:speaking the language Greedo spoke Rodian. And that is pretty messed up.
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XxLiveWirexX posted:Applied for my CCW, and got it back!! My CCW is identical to my TN DL. It's practically a "Needs glasses, can drive motorcycles" kind of endorsement rather than a separate thing. A system that is even capable of doing what you've described makes my brain ache.
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Bummey posted:You know, I'm coming around on the M&P Shield. The more I read about it the better it looks. I'll have to feel one soon. I'm heading to Boston next week for a couple weeks of work. I, too, have been seriously leaning to the Shield as a new carry piece, and I found this: Smith and Wesson Shooting Sports Center where you can try out new S&W models. So I was all  and contacted them to ask if they were going to have Shields in for rental and test firing when I'm up there, because at this point, the only real question I have left is 9mm or .40 and I'd REALLY want to put a few rounds through the .40 version before I bought one, to make sure that round isn't just too much for a gun that small and light.The manager of the range told me that since the Shield is not MA compliant, they won't have any for some time. Now I'm all  Why does Massachusetts have to hate freedom? And for that matter, I was offered a job in the Boston area for a very nice salary, which I turned down because carrying my firearms into MA would make me an instant multiple felon, apparently 
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