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Count Sacula posted:There are all sorts of attacks on seniors down here, especially from robots. (old lame SNL ref.) You realize that old lame SNL reference is one of the roots of SA culture right? The pusher robots? Ring any bells? I would think that even as a contractor you represent the company in those situations -- and that customer complaints would probably shorten the length of your tenure with the company. So, conceal very well, or carry your seat around with you at all times to be safe. Fake edit: you definitely have a contract that tells you this.
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Another opinion query. One will often hear recommendations along the lines: "I wouldn't carry that gun, I'd get something cheaper. If you ever have to shoot someone the cops will just take away your gun, and I don't want them taking something nice." What do you think? Do you downgrade your carry weapon for fear of confiscation? Personally, I think this is dumb. If I shoot someone in self defense, the least of my monetary worries will be my gun. Even a grand jury no-bill ends up costing ten to twenty thousand dollars in legal fees, and we're talking five to ten times that much if it goes to trial.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 05:02 |
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kwantam posted:What do you think? Do you downgrade your carry weapon for fear of confiscation? If I'm carrying a weapon for self-defense, I want to be able to think "it will go BANG when I pull the trigger", not "I saved $150 on this!" It's a gun, not a fashion accessory. Function is paramount. It can also be easily replaced in case of confiscation.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 05:10 |
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kwantam posted:Another opinion query. The only time this would become an issue would be if the firearm was somehow very rare or impossible to replace. Don't use your grandpa's 1911 that he jumped into Normandy with and used to kill a bunch of Nazis. You will feel like a douche if it ends up in an evidence locker forever. Do use your $1000 modern production 1911 that works 100% of the time. Annoying to replace? Yes, but not irreplaceable.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 05:43 |
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^^ That too, don't use an heirloom or piece of history. ^^ Agreed, better to buy the best you can and get something of relatively high quality so that if it ever happens that you need to use it, you won't have to worry about it working or not. Also remember to keep a "database" of all your firearms and their serial #s and photos if possible, so that if you ever do use one in a self-defense shooting you can at least somewhat try to raise hell about getting it back.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 05:44 |
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Yeah, I've definitely played that one over a few times in my head. Really, I'd hate to lose either of mine, but no more than I'd hate to be in that situation. Neither is an heirloom or collector's piece, so I suppose that in far hindsight in that hypothetical situation I still wouldn't care. As far as court costs, doesn't the NRA support members financially in those situations? Another org? Am I full of crap?
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 06:04 |
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lilspooky posted:Also remember to keep a "database" of all your firearms and their serial #s and photos if possible, so that if you ever do use one in a self-defense shooting you can at least somewhat try to raise hell about getting it back. About how long would you all say one could expect to have their pistol in lockup after a shooting? Also, if someone were carrying a striker pistol(Glock, XD, some others), and the drop safety were to fail and they shot themselves in the rear end when they sat down, I assume they would be set right up for a juicy lawsuit? Bonus: When one of my co-workers uses a public bathroom, he hangs his 1911 on the coat hook in the stall. When he told me I shook my head and told him to make drat sure he never forgets to grab it. Or pull it off the hook awkwardly and ND into the ceiling.
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AR posted:As far as court costs, doesn't the NRA support members financially in those situations? Another org? Am I full of crap? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Secret Ooze posted:About how long would you all say one could expect to have their pistol in lockup after a shooting? That depends a lot on your lawyer and how quickly you get cleared / not charged, but you should prepare yourself to never see it again. There are countless stories of guns/property being "cleared out" of evidence (lost or disposed of to make room) after what loosely seems to be a couple of weeks to a month. And there seems to be very little recourse when this happens unless you're willing to spend more than the value of the gun in legal fees or the particular police department is benevolent; and even then you may have literally no recourse.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 18:08 |
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kwantam posted:What do you think? Do you downgrade your carry weapon for fear of confiscation? I specifically reach for my Llama when something inspires me to (car alarm in my yard going off or some such) because I'd rather lose a $300 dead end than anything else of a caliber worth home defense I own. This is a small town mind you, but proceedure here is the weapon is held until the investigation is complete. It is not always returned. Sometimes the investigation is never closed which prevents it from being removed from their inventory. At least this is the way it was explained to me by friends on the force. It COULD be bullshit storytelling, but I buy it more than I don't.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 19:02 |
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AR posted:As far as court costs, doesn't the NRA support members financially in those situations? Another org? Am I full of crap? NRA members can get insurance against such things, in the form of reimbursement after-the-fact for legal fees only if you are cleared of criminal wrongdoing. The insurance also applies to civil fees and damages, I believe. There is another company who will handle fees for you up through the Grand Jury stage for about $150/year. I think they call themselves the CHL Protection Plan, and it's only available for certain states.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 21:54 |
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You'll eventually get it back. Its just taken as evidence. If you have a CCW license and happen to live in a state with a 5 day waiting period, would you still have to wait 5 days or does your CCW card get you around that since you already have had an NICS check? A few years ago, there was some guy that had to shoot a few people over the course of a week or two. Police kept taking his shotgun for evidence, so he kept going back out and buying another one the same day.
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| # ? Jan 15, 2009 21:57 |
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Ok, which one of you is this?deseret news posted:Police said the 26-year-old man had gone into the bathroom to use the toilet, armed with a .40-caliber Kahr P40 handgun.... "While pulling his pants up the gun fell out of the holster, striking the tile floor,". ...The man was hit by some porcelain shards, lacerating his arm.... The man walked into the restaurant area, holding his wound and asked an employee to call 911. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5315514  Click here for the full 640x480 image.
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| # ? Jan 16, 2009 00:07 |
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Trip Report: got my MTAC it's sexy, fits like a glove.
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| # ? Jan 16, 2009 01:47 |
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Elendil004 posted:Trip Report: got my MTAC it's sexy, fits like a glove. Heh, mine just arrived today, and ditto. Comfy as hell. The comp-tac belt is sturdy but stiffer than poo poo because of the kydex layer in the middle.
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kwantam posted:The comp-tac belt is sturdy but stiffer than poo poo because of the kydex layer in the middle. Cool, I was curious about those. Can you compare it to any other gun belts? Does the kydex in the belt cause any problems whatsoever? Does it keep the belt from bending the way it should (ie, around you) or keep it from laying flat?
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I'm trying to decide between the cz p01 or the pcr. Rails is the difference. Is it ok to, on a daily basis, take a rail mounted light like the tlr-1 on and off your carry weapon when you get home -or- just get another gun with rails and keep it as a dedicated nightstand gun?
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skitzed posted:Cool, I was curious about those. Can you compare it to any other gun belts? Does the kydex in the belt cause any problems whatsoever? Does it keep the belt from bending the way it should (ie, around you) or keep it from laying flat? It lays flat just fine, and it isn't a problem bending to put on (though it's 1.5" wide so the belt loops on my jeans are maxed out). The only issue with flexibility is buckling it; it takes me two hands and some fiddling to buckle it becaues it doesn't like to bend at such sharp angles. It's also slightly annoying getting the end into the securing loops after the buckle. All in all it's a very well built belt. Stiffer than other gun belts I've used but not to the point where I don't want to use it because it's a PITA.
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| # ? Jan 16, 2009 21:07 |
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kwantam posted:It lays flat just fine, and it isn't a problem bending to put on (though it's 1.5" wide so the belt loops on my jeans are maxed out). The only issue with flexibility is buckling it; it takes me two hands and some fiddling to buckle it becaues it doesn't like to bend at such sharp angles. It's also slightly annoying getting the end into the securing loops after the buckle. Thank you for the description. Sounds like a good belt.
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king of the bongo posted:I'm trying to decide between the cz p01 or the pcr. Rails is the difference. ...also because it's a pain in the rear end (and arguably much less safe) to be fussing with the gun all of the time. It seems safer to have a nightstand gun that doesn't get touched unless it's getting cleaned or shot and a carry gun that doesn't come out of the holster unless it's for the same two reasons.
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In an attempt to make this thread more n00b-friendly, another loaded question for interested parties? What is your carry gun, and how do you carry it? (This is similar to but not the same as "what do you recommend," which is what started the thread.) To get this party started: H&K P7 PSP, IWB.
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Any thoughts or suggestions for non-IWB/OWB-holster carry? It's just not practical for me (LOL FAT GUY etc). I'm looking at either the Safepacker or something like the Blackhawk Urban Carry Case. I can put a patch on the Safepacker and have people think its a PDA pouch/nerd crap... Gun is a G19. I don't carry often (my employer prohibits it, both in the building and in the guarded/restricted-access parking garage) but I need an option other than 'stick it in my coat pocket' for those times when I do need to have it on me. mrbill fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2009 around 00:43 |
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mrbill posted:Any thoughts or suggestions for non-IWB/OWB-holster carry? It's just not practical for me (LOL FAT GUY etc). SOB not possible? I know some large guys who carry SOB. How about a shoulder rig?
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kwantam posted:SOB not possible? I know some large guys who carry SOB. Shoulder rigs are horrible. Any setup that has you sweeping yourself at multiple points of the draw as well as anyone behind or to the left of you is pretty bad. Really they're only halfway excusable if you spend all day sitting in a car.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Shoulder rigs are horrible. Any setup that has you sweeping yourself at multiple points of the draw as well as anyone behind or to the left of you is pretty bad. Chris Bird brings up this objection in The Concealed Handgun Manual, then a few sentences later essentially says "but lots of gubmint types do it, so I've gotten used to it." Personally I wouldn't carry this way, for the reasons you state plus it's useless most of the year down here in
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 00:28 |
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mrbill posted:Any thoughts or suggestions for non-IWB/OWB-holster carry? It's just not practical for me (LOL FAT GUY etc). Maybe lose some weight because right now its more likely youre gonna die from a heart attack at 35 than have a reason to shoot someone. But yeah fanny packs work ok for fatties.
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Tenement Funster posted:But yeah fanny packs work ok for fatties. Welcome back, thanks for the obvious advice.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 00:43 |
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mrbill posted:Welcome back, thanks for the obvious advice.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Really they're only halfway excusable if you spend all day sitting in a car. Or a helicopter.
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infrared35 posted:Or a helicopter. Or a boat.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 03:12 |
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kwantam posted:In an attempt to make this thread more n00b-friendly, another loaded question for interested parties? S&W 642, IWB. I have a really nice Kramer holster but i hardly use it in favor of a softer clip on style, driving is an issue with IWB, as anything on the side or rear is p. much unacessable while seated and buckled, and carrying at 12 or 11 ends up with a gun uncomfortably nuzzling my sac. With the clip on i just take it off and set it in the console.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 16:11 |
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Carry gun: Sig P299 DAK .40 Holster: MTAC (Best holster ever) Position: Carried at around 2:50 to 3 o clock, IWB. Condition: 1, with 10 rd mag, I don't bother carrying +1 because I am lazy.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 17:58 |
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Piece: Steyr M9 Holster: IWB - Secret Ooze Custom Mk 7 at 4-4:30 14+1 baby.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 19:32 |
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kwantam posted:In an attempt to make this thread more n00b-friendly, another loaded question for interested parties? A G19 IWB when possible. A 642 in an ankle holster for the commute (easy to take on and off with a minimum of fuss and easy to access when driving) OMG I LEAVE MY GUN IN MY CAR. Sometimes a 642 in pocket holster just around the house. Rarely a G21 IWB if I'm wearing heavy enough clothing to conceal it properly. I used to carry a PM9 in situations when I now carry the 642, but I've come to like the 642 better.
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| # ? Jan 18, 2009 19:58 |
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kwantam posted:What is your carry gun, and how do you carry it? Holster/belt: Comp-Tac MTAC (V-clips), Belt Man belt. Position: IWB 4 o'clock, just above the right rear pants pocket. Ammo: Federal HST 124gr 9mm+P, 15+1 in the gun with a 15rd spare mag in a pocket. The MTAC is comfy. Took some breaking in and tweaking to smooth out the draw to the point where I wasn't trying to rip the holster out of my pants along with the gun, though.
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Gun: Springfield Ultra-compact 1911 or now Glock G19 Holster: Comp-Tac Infidel. Position: IWB 9 o'clock (lefty) Ammo: Speer or Hornady TAP Looking at picking up a Minotaur MTAC Holster. Does anyone have any info on how these are? I like the security the Infidel gives me, but I'm so bony that the Kydex starts to jab into my hip bone if I wear it for more than 4 hours at a time. I figure the leather in the Minotaur might help spread the pressure out and make it more comfortable for long term wear.
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| # ? Jan 19, 2009 15:29 |
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I am a skinny bastard and the MTAC is very comfy. I wear mine ~10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week (much of that sitting, even) and have zero comfort issues.
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hedgiejugglr posted:Looking at picking up a Minotaur MTAC Holster. Does anyone have any info on how these are? I like the security the Infidel gives me, but I'm so bony that the Kydex starts to jab into my hip bone if I wear it for more than 4 hours at a time. I figure the leather in the Minotaur might help spread the pressure out and make it more comfortable for long term wear. No, I don't think anyone uses those around here
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| # ? Jan 19, 2009 17:52 |
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TFR Standard Loadout up in here Gun: Glock 19 Holster: MTAC Belt: Beltman Horsehide I'm still working on adjusting the holster. I've got it in a position now where it's comfortable, and don't print at all during normal movement. However, if I crouch or get out of my car my shirt will ride up on the handle. It's probably partially my fault for trying to carry a G19 when I like to wear skinny clothes.
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Schigolch posted:No, I don't think anyone uses those around here Thanks for the link, I had forgotten about that thread as I hadn't seen it on the front page in a while. I will definitely be getting one of those after reading his review of it.
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