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InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I'm a beginner and I would love some advice on post-processing for the following picture:



I'm pretty lost with this picture. I want the bison to really pop out but after playing with the levels for a long time I realised I need some advice. All my attempts looked washed out and muted. I think the snow is throwing off everything else.

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InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

torgeaux posted:

Have you thought about using local contrast? Duplicate layer, high pass filter, mask out all but the bison, set to hard light for blending.
I did think about trying that, but wouldn't that make the bison look really artificial? I assumed that you had to correct levels for the entire photograph.

This is my best attempt so far, but I'm at the point now where I can't even be sure the photo looks realistic anymore:

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

Cross_ posted:

It doesn't. You've gone overboard with the saturation - though the hair looks like it has better contrast. The original recommendation was to mask out the bisons; try that and play around with the blending percentage of the high pass layer.
Thanks. The problem I`m having is that if I look at the picture I posted most recently for any length of time the original looks almost black and white to me. It`s making it very hard to judge if I`ve gone overboard on settings.

edit --
Sorry for posting the same picture over and over. This attempt with different filter layers for the ground and buffalo. Any improvement?

InternetJunky fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 11, 2010

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

How would I go about toning down the overexposed bits in the sky in this?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I've been trying to really put the time into post-processing recently to a point where I'm spending hours on certain photos. For the photo below I've separated the picture into 3 parts (bird, wood, background) and adjusted each separately. Is this what I should do? Does it make the photo look like a frankenstein image? Are there other adjustments that I should be making?

Cropped original from RAW:


Post-processing:

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I'm sure there's a way to do this easily, but I couldn't find it...

Say I have a picture of a bird sitting on a branch. For this picture I want to apply some sharpening to the bird, and some noise reduction on the background.

In photoshop, on a new layer I use the magic wand to select the bird and branch, delete them, and apply noise reduction on what's left. Then I re-select the bird and branch and invert the selection, delete the background this way, then sharpen the bird/branch.

Is there an easy way to do this other than re-selecting everything again? This takes ages and it feels like there is probably something easy I'm missing.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

teethgrinder posted:

It's been a long time since I've used Photoshop (I use The Gimp), but I guess you're saying that the selection deselects itself at one point? I don't see why you can't just keep working with the same selection, inverting it as required.

That said, isn't there a "Save Selection..." option in one of the menus?
Well, that sure was easy. 'Save selection', then at some later point load it again and invert it. Thanks, you just saved me 10 mins from each photo I process. :)

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I was masking a very complex object (bird with tons of stray feathers everywhere) with the intention of doing severe noise reduction on the background but not the bird. When I applied the NR I noticed I had botched my mask in a couple of spots and I need to go back and unmask certain areas. How can I do this? I have a layer with the bird shape completely masked out.

I have a feeling I'm missing something easy.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I feel like a retard, but I think I really need someone to dumb down how to mask properly. If there's a clear delineation between foreground and background I have no problem, but if there's not I'm in trouble.

Below is my picture straight of the camera. I want to do much different processing on the eagle than the background, so I want to create a separate layer with just the eagle and another with the background. The problem is the high noise in the image:


Trying to select the eagle is difficult because there are lots of areas where there is no clear boundary between the eagle feathers and the background. Magic wand is useless for selecting these areas.

How would the rest of you pick out just the eagle? Paint the mask manually by painting over each individual feather? It would take me hours for just one picture, but if that's the only way I don't mind. I just feel like I'm missing something that might make this easier. Also, what kind of brush setting do you use when painting the mask (specifically the hardness setting)?

Any tips/advice would be most appreciated.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

Thanks all for the tips and advice. I think I managed to get a decent result, even if it did take way too long. :)



Original for reference:

InternetJunky fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Dec 7, 2011

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

What's the easiest way to drop the glare in this shot a bit?



Usually when I import the RAW into photoshop I would use the 'recovery' slider in this case, but my source image is JPG so I don't even get that import screen and I'm not sure what photoshop is doing behind the scenes with the recovery option.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I could use some pointers if anyone is feeling generous with their time.

Here's my original, no-adjustments shot:


Here's my best attempt at post processing:


Should I be separating the sky, mountain, and foreground and adjusting each individually?

I've been fighting my habit of over-saturating, so I'm curious if the colours look natural to everyone else or if I still need to work on that.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

1st AD posted:

Haha, my friend is the photographer who did this: http://deanbradshaw.com.au/Diageo-Stark-Raving

This was shot in the studio against a bluescreen, everything else is compositing and crazy retouching. He got his start by retouching Tim Tadder's work.

Here's a behind the scenes video I did for this shoot:
https://vimeo.com/46667864
Interesting video!

Not that I don't appreciate the final images, I think they look awesome, but that is a hell of a lot of staff for some some wine label photos. Wouldn't it have been significantly cheaper to just commission an artist to paint a couple of images instead?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I could use some advice on processing. I have a whole sequence I've shot of an owl eating a vole. One such frame is below (gore warning):


From start to finish it took him about a minute to eat the thing, so if I tried to move to get a shot without that oof branch I probably would have missed most of it. I've already taken out a few oof brances at the top, but the one at the bottom is a different story since it covers part of the tail. Do you think it's worth trying to clone out the branch and recreate the tail somehow? Is it really distracting as-is?

I would also love to do something about the shadows on the owl's body. Is there any way to lighten those areas to reduce the harsh contrast at least? I've tried a bunch of methods and it looks obvious and fake no matter what I do.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I spent some more time working with some of my owl shots.

Original:


Processed:


I could use some outside input at this point. I think I had some decent success at lightening/removing some of the shadows, and rather than trying to remove the oof branch entirely I tried to minimize its impact on the picture. Does the thing look too cooked at this point?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I have a photoshop question that I've been unable to find an answer to.

A lot of my shots are processed like what you see in the picture below, where I've masked separate areas of the picture, grouped them via mask, and applied different processing to each masked area.


Now say I want to remove the branch that is covering part of my bird. Currently the only way I know to do this is to flatten all my layers and then start cloning, but is there a way to do this so that I don't need to flatten the image first (other than doing the cloning step first to get rid of the branch)?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

TheLastManStanding posted:

Are you not using adjustment layers?
I'm not sure what those are so I guess not. In each mask group I have other layers in which I perform adjustments like sharpening, etc.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

Thanks for the replies everyone.

TheLastManStanding posted:

Rather than making permanent alterations to layers and then masking, you can make adjustment layers (the little black/white circle at the bottom of the layers palate) which are non destructive, can be changed at any point, and can each have individual masks: That way your image is only taking up one layer.
Most of my changes are done this way, but there are some layer actions that don't seem to work this way -- for example, sharpen. For that I have to copy the source image to a new layer and perform the action on it, unless someone knows a better way?

quote:

For this image, since you are already have everything set up like you do, you can select all (ctrl-a), then copy merged (crtl-shift-c), then paste: This makes a new layer that is basically a flattened version of your image, but without actually flattening it. That way you can clone however you want without losing your previous masks or layers. Also, if you hadn't found out already, you can merge selected layers (ctrl-e) rather than flatten: This can be useful if you want to merge your cloned edits back in at some point without losing other layers.
Thanks, this is what I was after.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

This feels like another question that has an obvious answer but I can't figure it out. I have a sequence of images and I want to ensure exact same crop size for all of them (ie. 500 x 500 pixels exactly). I tried the "size & resolution" option of the crop tool and specified 500x500, but all that does is resize the cropped area to 500x500 after cropping. What am I missing?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

Insanely helpful. Thanks so much for putting that together!

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

William T. Hornaday posted:

I made these for a friend to help her with post processing, but since I've got them I figured I might as well post them here too.
Just chiming in to say I've always loved your post processing. I remember you posted a step-by-step on the tiger one time, do you happen to still have that around to perhaps repost?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

A photo contest has short-listed one of my photos and now they want and full-sized original of what I submitted. For the submission I had to resize the image to 1920x1280. Unfortunately I can't find the original, edited version before resizing. When I overlay the image I submitted over the original RAW in photoshop the image doesn't line up at all, so I can't use that as a template.

Is there an easy way to match the exact crop in photoshop?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

William T. Hornaday posted:

Wait, so you do or don't have a Photoshop copy with all the adjustment layers intact and separate?

I'm confused.
I have the RAW file and the scaled down version I submitted (created using image->image size). I don't have the photoshop file. If I can recreate the exact crop I should be ok since I really didn't change much.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I'm trying to push more of my post-processing into lightroom instead of photoshop so I'm just learning what's available.

I'm using a few graduated filters in this shot to drop the background and really put the focus on the bird, but I don't want the filter to touch the branch. Is there a way to achieve this?

Original:


After filters (bottom left part of the branch is the problem):

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

A Saucy Bratwurst posted:

Can you use the adjustment brush with a big feather? Might have to do it in stages though

E: I originally meant do the effect you want with the brush but it might be quicker and easier to leave the filter and go backwards over it with the brush?

quote:

Anyway, as mentioned above, either use an adjustment brush to darken the background or darken all and use an adjustment brush to bring the bird and branch back.

I tried to undo the gradient with an adjustment brush, but it's really hard to match the gradient. I was kind of hoping that I was missing a masking-type of feature, but I guess not.

Dren posted:

Seems like a task that would be best accomplished using masks. LR only has auto mask, which can't be used for the gradient tool. PS has real masks, you're best off using PS for this sort of job.

That's what I figured. Thanks.

Caryna posted:

I don't know, but the original photo looks much better than the edited one. The darkened corners are very distracting because they make my brain go "there's something supposed to be there, where is it?!". The background is already so much out of focus that it draws all the attention to the bird anyway.

Apologies for the derail.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree with what you're saying and already decided to ditch the edit, but figured I'd ask if what I was trying to achieve was possible. I really like the gradient tool so I'm guessing this won't be the last time I have this issue.

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I hate to keep coming to this thread every time I have a lightroom question, but I can't find anything about this problem online. Hopefully someone here knows what I'm screwing up.

After I do my development on the picture in lightroom, this is what the image looks like when viewing it in "library" mode:


If I click on "develop", I can see that the sharpness is actually there.


Why does the version shown in the library view have all the sharpness gone?

InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

NeuralSpark posted:

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html

It has to do with the quality setting of the "standard" previews generated for your images, it seems
Awesome, thanks so much! It was driving me mad.

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InternetJunky
May 25, 2002

I've been printing a lot of canvas prints lately. Adding mirrored 2" borders to all my shots in photoshop is getting annoying. Does anyone know of an existing photoshop action/macro that will automatically add the wrapped edges to an image?

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