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funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Sweet Baby Ray posted:

I need some Jazz recommendations based on my liking of...

Charles Mingus
Miles Davis
Thelonious Monk
John Coltrane
Cannonball Adderley

All of the stuff I have liked so far by them has been between 1950-1970 roughly.

you can get all of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Note_Records_discography#Blue_Note_4000_Series up until 68 or so and you'll pretty much like all of them except maybe some of the albums Sam Rivers plays on, and the Cecil Taylor records

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funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Stagger_Lee posted:

But for the period you mentioned, I have some three-disc Duke Ellington comp, the name of which escapes me, that is pretty fantastic.

The one everyone pretty clearly needs is "The Blanton-Webster Band" (or whatever trackwise equivalent you might be able to find) but don't overlook his actual LPs either, especially the 61-67 greats...

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

etard knievel posted:

any advice on choral composers or vocal groups that explore atonality and harmonic texture? i guess what I'm imagining in my head is not so much the sort of 'non-singing' / making mouth noises or rhythmic kind of vocal experimentation but real tone based, sort of like that kind of muslim unison prayer chanting or droning like gregorian kind of stuff but with a modernist or atonal approach, like experimenting with the way that slightly off-tune harmonies make that sort of 'bumpy' frequency and stuff.
i gotta say I don't REALLY have a good frame of reference for what you want based on your examples, but what do you think of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXjilKOyzow

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

etard knievel posted:

yeah this is good especially the first passage up until 2:25 or whatever, ive heard orchestral stuff from messaien, stockhausen & xenakis but somehow i didnt think to look up if they had done choral works, i'll start with them but if you have any cool other recommendations along these lines esp smaller ensemble stuff, or where a good place to research is?

OK, other recs:

- Nono was the best vocal writer of that generation; this one is a good starting point, and he had so many vocal pieces that you could just go to allmusic and look up his work index and track down all those pieces, especially the political 60s/70s stuff.
- Maybe Berio's "folk songs" and the sequenza III even though these are solo pieces, and the vocal+tape pieces he and Bruno Maderna did
- Kurtag's choral works
- Those famous Ligeti pieces like Lux aeterna and Aventures/Nouvelle aventures, and the later stuff, the Holderlin fantasies and the Nonsense madrigals
- for the Xenakis the Woods/London Choir set has almost all of his non-solo vocal works
- Going back slightly earlier there's a Luigi Dallapiccola set with the Ensemble InterContemporain set (here)

That's all sort of standard repertoire from the post-wwii modernists... I can't really think of anything from the generation after that I like as much as the above, except maybe Brian Ferneyhough's opera 'Shadowtime' and his choral pieces (here).

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Zackarotto posted:

2) I'm looking for stuff like Miles Davis - What I Say (from the Live-Evil album). The guy has a zillion albums and they're all in different styles, but I want to hear more like that.

that album is half extracts from the Jack Johnson studio sessions and half extracts from the 1970 Cellar Door shows, so go get the Cellar Door box set and it's 6 discs of that same group. also In Concert at Philharmonic Hall, Dark Magus, Agharta and Pangaea are the other great live records from right after that

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

HAI posted:

Grant Green & Wes Montgomery are the only actually decent jazz guitarists I can think of right now tbf.

there's some good George Benson records on CTI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQuz0KA7LOc (this one's got Ron Carter and Jack DeJohnette)

more obvious things:

Pretty big Kenny Burrell record: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWDwOsQqlw

Jim Hall ('Concierto' on CTI), nice lineup on this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoLiAOX4XU

Sonny Sharrock 'Ask the Ages': http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=4792CAD7C86596F0&search_query=ask+the+ages

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

OK here is how fusion works.

First: the most canonical material and pretty much the only material that everyone can agree on being great is Miles Davis's music from 1968-75. This encompasses the jams and experiments that made up half a dozen studio records and half a dozen live albums. Coming from a straight-ahead rock background here I think you would like A Tribute to Jack Johnson (studio record) and the Cellar Door Sessions (live recordings) the most as those are the ones that balance Hendrix and JB influences with other kinds of experimentation really well, but you'll eventually want to get everything from this period.

Second: there was a big collection of groups that people who were in Miles' bands formed once they split off from him. Off the top of my head:

Weather Report (Wayne Shorter/Joe Zawinul)
Mahavishnu Orchestra (John McLaughlin)
Return to Forever (Chick Corea)
Tony Williams' Lifetime
Herbie Hancock's Mwandishi/Crossings/Sextant-era band (and in turn, Eddie Henderson, Billy Hart, Buster Williams and Bennie Maupin solo projects), and his Headhunters band
Larry Coryell/Eleventh House

I think that Herbie's work here is uniformly great, and the first Mahavishnu record, the first Lifetime record and the first set of Weather Report records are very good, and most of the rest of that poo poo sucks, so I'm drawn to other areas of fusion. The above is usually more rock-oriented than the rest of the genre though.

Third: Blue Note started to record fusion at around this time (1969-70). Bobby Hutcherson, Joe Henderson, Eddie Henderson, Horace Silver, Grant Green, Larry Young and Ronnie Foster are key names here. Lots of snobs will talk about how Blue Note declined during this time. They can eat poo poo; this music is far, far better than an alternate history wherein they continue to churn out acoustic soul-jazz.

Fourth: The CTI label is another really big deal in fusion. CT recorded Freddie Hubbard, George Benson, Hank Crawford, Stanley Turrentine and Donald Byrd when they switched to fusion along with a bunch of other neat records, including Idris Muhammad and pre-suck Grover Washington Jr. This poo poo rules as long as you don't expect rock music like you'd get out of McLaughlin or Coryell; think more soul-oriented. Get some of it and see if you like it.

Fifth: There's a big, big crossover between fusion, avant- and free jazz, soulful modal jazz, modern R&B, disco and psych that you won't find any talk about unless you dig deeper than narratives that cover Miles and other mainstreamish jazz-rock. Start here: http://www.freeform.org/music/kozmigroov.html Strata East, Flying Dutchman and ECM (EARLY ECM) are big labels to look at. Definitely get Lonnie Liston Smith's first three records and some Roy Ayers!

I am sure I am forgetting something, and I'm going to let someone else yakk about the prog rock side of jazz-rock and fusion.

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Rollersnake posted:

I have. I've got Tri Repetae, Chiastic Slide, Draft 7.30, and Untilted, and several EPs, in addition to Confield. Unless there's a drastically different album by them that I haven't heard yet, I'm more in the mood for someone else. Confield was awesome, though, and I've made a mental note to check out Quaristice when I'm wanting something more in that vein again.

he (probably) meant Incunabula and Amber, which satisfy your original description and are unlike all their others

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Panzerschreck posted:

(I don't know the policy for posting links for DLing music, so I'll abstain. PM me if you want the links).

well, far be it from me to suggest that you read the rules thread before spamming 3 screens' worth of awful album art. that would just be unreasonable as heck.

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

cheap sunglasses posted:

Shostakovich's String Quartet No. 8 maybe?

Ya, I think Shostakovich in general is maybe the right call with some caveats, namely that it's tough to recommend the Shostakovich symphonies to people who don't necessarily want to spend the effort required to dig through the ironies and doublespeak in them. I don't know a lot about Prokofiev compared to my familiarity with Shostakovich though. Following Prokofiev back would lead you to Rimsky-Korsakov and Scriabin, and digging into Shostakovich would point you back toward Bruckner and Mahler. There's also some killer bombasty stormy Myaskovsky syms and I can't remember which ones they are.

Other symphonies: Britten, Robert Simpson, Karl Amadeus Hartmann, Schnittke. Think these would all apply, broadly.

funkcroquet fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Jul 14, 2010

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

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funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

Hob_Gadling posted:

I'd like to add some modern classical music to my playlists. I've listened to all the old masters and like especially Bach, Sibelius, Musorgski and Elgar. I don't like most of Wagner, Mozart leaves me "meh" and Roma-styled music is not for me.

Please don't recommend Philip Glass or any soundtracks from movies.

What should I try?

there are simply too many styles of modern composed music to just guess at what you might enjoy, so try all of these and tell which ones you like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1huFQvyLk7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXWjayXSzcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRuxHVWfQtA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQlLDE1tymo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihNQKu6_GbU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3RkHaCMal0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv67YkOWJNA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a0Y3_Uz0pw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1-02C3jMr4

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

gay til death posted:

Also looking to get into electroacoustic improv, since its so huge maybe recommend me a "canon" release and a newer release that's very good.

I don't know anything about eai from the last few years because it all just flares up my tinnitus nowadays anyway, but some of the canonical recommendations are Rowe & Tilbury's "Duos for Doris", MIMEO & Tilbury's "The Hands of Caravaggio", Toshimaru Nakamura's "No-Input Mixing Board" and the early releases on Erstwhile and A Bruit Secret in general

funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

The Doo Do Chasers posted:

I'm trying to get into Sun Ra but his discography is so drat vast I have no idea what to check out. His funk/disco stuff sounds the most interesting to me, but I'm also into jazz as well. Someone give me a handful to listen to I guess.

get the Heliocentric Worlds series & Atlantis then go backwards & forwards in time from there

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funkcroquet
Nov 29, 2004

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Where should I start with Lustmord?

Black Stars, Heresy, Stalker - those tend to be the ones people remember as being super consistently good.

there's a couple of other ones where you might listen to them and figure out that they're kinda annoying because of either somewhat corny sound design or irritating repeated vocal samples or both and you wouldn't be wrong if that happened to be your perception.

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