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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Whether or not it deserved to die is up for debate, but weapons designed to cause maximum pain have no place in a utopian society, or any society for that matter. Disclaimer: I'm against the death penalty IRL but come on, how do you keep gods in check if they decide the little meatbag's lives are of no consequence? I'd imagine being executed with extreme prejudice by your own god like peers might be a form of deterrence that actually works.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:Yeah the overarching idea of The Culture is that they're friendly liberals on the surface but horrible interventionists in practice "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing", "if you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor", etc... I mean, you have to take the Prime Directive pretty seriously not to step in and put an end to a genocide or whatever when you know you could.
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Snapchat A Titty posted:(obviously sometimes you need to bomb iraq to pieces but at the same time there might be other options that werent explored) I trust the Minds to have done their homework if nothing else because it would be a faux pas not to. e: I wonder how much poo poo the Minds that fumbled the Chelgrian intervention get. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 00:57 on May 9, 2016 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:all killing is immoral thus the culture is immoral. Said the spiritual leader of a peaceful planetary civilization the week before being curb stomped by the Idirans. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 10, 2016 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:at least the iridans were honest about their actions. Considering their flavor of imperialism it's not like they could pretend they weren't doing it. You can't just lump everything in the same "Interventionism!" sack and leave it at that. The only question that matters is cui bono? The Culture certainly isn't taking material gain out of these interventions and they can mathematically demonstrate that from a materialist point of view the civilizations they interfere with enjoy a great increase in standards of living. Of course the Minds could be lying but there isn't really anything to substantiate that theory. The whole series might as well be a simulation run inside an evil Mind. If you take a life to save a billion, are you imoral? Is no killing to be allowed ever, under any circumstances? At what point does it make you an hypocritical version of the Idirans? MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 15:00 on May 10, 2016 |
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Shockeh posted:It's rather the point, isn't it. The moment agree the premise that taking a life is a valid choice at some scale, we've agreed that it's OK, it's just a matter of opinion on what that scale should look like. Saying "it's OK to kill people to protect others" is a completely different kettle of fish from "it's OK to kill people to conquer them and steal their stuff".
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May 11, 2016 09:59
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Strawman posted:Because when you kill people to protect others, you don't say you were doing it because you wanted to steal their stuff. What possible use could Minds have for a bunch of primitive stuff stuck on the bottom of a gravity well?
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Groovelord Neato posted:after the liberation of dachau, a dozen or dozens of ss men were summarily executed by the americans liberators in a probable fit of rage after they realized what happened there. supposedly they also gave some handguns to the liberated jews and let them execute some of the guards (or beat them to death with shovels). Good, hope they got away with a slap on the wrist.
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A Deepness in the Sky, Embassytown, The Dispossessed.
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Hyperion is meh and everything that comes after is pure trash.
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