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Gewehr 43 posted:I wonder if this guy is one of the many stupid poo poo vendors that show up at the Michigan Antique Arms Collector's show. It's not far from his location. One of the guys over on the Gunboards K98k forum was saying that the seller had it listed in Craig's List near him for something like $700 initially. He got into negotiations with the guy, then he just stopped responding, and came back later with some nutso $1600 figure. It's an entertaining thread if you want to check it out. My personal theory is that he knows nothing about milsurp at all and was unloading some heirloom rifle (either his own or one that he bought for next to nothing) and someone who knew a bit more than nothing told him what they typically sell for. Prompt him spouting "knowledgeable" sounding drivvel and pricing it like it's a mint condition all matching S-code.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Yeah, it really is. That guy deserves a medal, or a holiday, or a cuddle from somebody. There is a really long (and locked now IIRC) thread on THR by SaxonPig on that auction. It was really surprising to see the number of people who shat on him for his "frivolous auction," which is retarded considering the contents of this thread (or the 10,000 sameposts on GB for loving shitpile nylon holsters). Here's a screencap from when he first listed that single round (and things went loving nuts):  Seriously, that's not a shoop.
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Ever see a gun that just terrifies you? Oooh, this guy knows how to sell Rugers:  Click here for the full 702x419 image. And a little something for the flamboyant masses here at TFR. NIB Cobra Majestic Pink Compact Pistol .380 I'm Spartacus! Are Remington Model 11 parts just absurdly rare and desirable, or is this guy just smoking crack? Sixgun Strumpet fucked around with this message at May 20, 2009 around 20:21 |
| # ? May 19, 2009 23:37 |
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"You got your AK in my PPSh!" "You got your PPSh in my AK!" Two great tastes that taste like rear end together... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=129379339
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| # ? May 25, 2009 16:52 |
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Nipponophile posted:"You got your AK in my PPSh!" gently caress you man that looks bad rear end
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| # ? May 25, 2009 17:23 |
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Nipponophile posted:"You got your AK in my PPSh!" That ALMOST looks practical. Lord.
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| # ? May 25, 2009 17:31 |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=129681835 Never before have I wished death upon a GB retard. Edit: The only way I could hate that person more would be if they did the same thing to a M96.
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| # ? May 28, 2009 03:47 |
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Yeah, that's the height of brilliance: "Bore spotless, everything included, only one teensy-weensy problem, I managed to shoot a big rear end-gently caress hole in the loving thing. Other than that, it's perfectly fine, and I've priced it as such."
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| # ? May 28, 2009 03:52 |
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Conquest7706 posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=129681835 That's a pity, those stocks are basically unavailable in the US. From a collector standpoint it's actually way worse that he did that to a Ljungman - there's tons of m96s in the US but very of the Ljungmans, mostly due to some import law wonkiness in the 90s, as I understand it.
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| # ? May 28, 2009 03:54 |
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M96s hold a special place in my heart.. I don't think I can ever love a gun more.. maybe the K-31 though. I can't understand how he managed to shoot the stock. This is making me sad now; other than his epic fail that Ljungman looks pretty good and assuming it hasn't been shot to hell since the last time the Swedes put a disc on it it should be in great condition. Would it be very tough to fix something like that?
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| # ? May 28, 2009 04:02 |
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Conquest7706 posted:M96s hold a special place in my heart.. I don't think I can ever love a gun more.. maybe the K-31 though. It'd be tough, not impossible. The price he's asking is high for such a high end repair, though. I've been looking into this stuff a lot as of late - I've got a k43 that I need to fix the wood under the buttplate so it an take an original K43 buttplate again (it was sportered for a recoil pad at some point and then repaired to take a cosmetically similar Brazillian mauser buttplate that doesn't QUITE fit on exactly the same). I've also got a G98 that I just picked up that has a previously repaired duffle cut that has come undone over time that I want to get together more securely. There are guys out there who can repair almost anything, and I've seen some truly amazing pictures and threads on various milsurp forums about just that. From what little I know at this point, I'm guessing this would be a candidate for a fiber glass fill and repair job. That's WAY beyond my skill, though, and probably beyond most collectors. It's also unfortunate that the sliver of wood that was taken out isn't included with it, as that's going to make restoring it to an OK cosmetic look really tough. Hard repair, but not impossible for someone with the right skill set. As an example, take a look at this amazing repair of an utterly hosed vz24 stock over on Surplusrifle.com Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at May 28, 2009 around 05:04 |
| # ? May 28, 2009 04:12 |
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Conquest7706 posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=129681835 Is that an electropencil engraving on the topcover to make it 'numbers matching' in image #4?
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kuffs posted:Is that an electropencil engraving on the topcover to make it 'numbers matching' in image #4? Looks like it.
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kuffs posted:Is that an electropencil engraving on the topcover to make it 'numbers matching' in image #4? AGs actually come like that from the factory, and as far as I know, they all look like they were written by a dude in 1 second who wasn't really trying.
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| # ? May 28, 2009 08:19 |
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SnarkyProfessor posted:There is a really long (and locked now IIRC) thread on THR by SaxonPig on that auction. It was really surprising to see the number of people who shat on him for his "frivolous auction," which is retarded considering the contents of this thread (or the 10,000 sameposts on GB for loving shitpile nylon holsters). Can you provide further information?
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| # ? May 29, 2009 02:55 |
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Shubs posted:Can you provide further information? http://www.outdoorpressroom.com/slu...-acp-round.html Or just search THR for SaxonPig. The original thread was baleeted, I believe. His second thread on the topic can be found here: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.p...=saxonpig+round
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| # ? Jun 7, 2009 16:37 |
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Conquest7706 posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=129681835 The best part of that auction is that his starting price was $700 bucks. Now I'm no "Antiques Roadshow" motherfucker, but usually when you shoot something with a .45 caliber pistol it tends to degrade the item's value. What a major loving idiot. If he's dumb enough to accidentally (or intentionally) shoot his guns, when it comes time to sell them he should probably realize that it'll have some effect on the price he gets at resale.
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| # ? Jun 7, 2009 19:30 |
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hangedman posted:The best part of that auction is that his starting price was $700 bucks. Now I'm no "Antiques Roadshow" motherfucker, but usually when you shoot something with a .45 caliber pistol it tends to degrade the item's value. That's actually really damned cheap for a Ljungman in the US. As I mentioned earlier they got caught up in some import weirdness so there's very few of them down here, especially when compared to Canada. Now, $700 still isn't nearly cheap enough for what that gun is. If it was down near $400 I would have jumped on it as a project, and at $500 I would have hemmed and hawed and probably ended up doing it. For $700 starting and $750 BIN (probably near $800 after shipping) he can go gently caress himself.
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| # ? Jun 8, 2009 02:15 |
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Century 21 Romac Druganov 7.62 x 54 Nothing wrong with that description at all.
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| # ? Jun 25, 2009 22:46 |
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This thread reminded me that I haven't checked out gunbroker in quite some time. I remember now why I didn't.
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 01:12 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:This thread reminded me that I haven't checked out gunbroker in quite some time. What the hell is going on with that buttplate?
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 01:20 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:What the hell is going on with that buttplate? Didn't you play Return to Castle Wolfenstein dude? Rubber buttpads were issue. 
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 01:27 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:What the hell is going on with that buttplate? I haven't the slightest. I really like the unit mark on the buttstock too.
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 02:23 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:I haven't the slightest. I really like the unit mark on the buttstock too. Hah, jesus, I totally missed that. That eagle also looks wonky as all hell. That probably explains why the buttplate looks so wonky - it was probably REALLY heavily sanded, the buttplate doesn't quite fit right any more when compared to the surrounding wood, and the guy tried to re-stamp what he thought were the correct marks, probably using a K98k for reference. To clarify for everyone else: G/K43s never got the "H" (Heer, which is German for "Army") stamp that you see on a lot of K98ks - the only stock markings were a large WaA stamp on either the left or right side, depending on manufacturer, and (sometimes) another on the bottom, in the wrist area.
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 03:35 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:That probably explains why the buttplate looks so wonky - it was probably REALLY heavily sanded... That was my guess too. Look at the upper contour of the buttstock in middle of photo #4. It seems to have a big dip in the middle of it. That poor gun got  at some time in its life.
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| # ? Jun 26, 2009 10:32 |
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Worst Hungarian mosin sniper refinish job rifle I have ever seen: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=132332430 B4Ctom1 fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2009 around 17:43 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:That was my guess too. Look at the upper contour of the buttstock in middle of photo #4. It seems to have a big dip in the middle of it. That poor gun got It sold for $2K, that's horrible.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 17:33 |
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B4Ctom1 posted:Worst Hungarian mosin sniper half fake half real rifle I have ever seen: Ok, I know jack poo poo about Hungarian snipers. What are the give aways here? Restamped numbers? Repro scope or mount?
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 17:36 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Ok, I know jack poo poo about Hungarian snipers. Some of it is som messed up it looks fake! Compare that rifle to mine which is just a couple thousand different. Mine is more exemplary of others you will find by googling "Hungarian M/52 Mosin Sniper". Mine: http://www.outlawperformance.com/im.../Hungarian_M52/ also I edited my first post above like 3 times while trying to figure out if it was fake or just ruined. B4Ctom1 fucked around with this message at Jun 27, 2009 around 17:48 |
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B4Ctom1 posted:Some of it is som messed up it looks fake! Yeah, looks like they "prettied it up" and based their finish info off of Russian post-war refurbed Mosins. That bolt in particular looks like it had the living poo poo polished out of it.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 18:00 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Yeah, looks like they "prettied it up" and based their finish info off of Russian post-war refurbed Mosins. That bolt in particular looks like it had the living poo poo polished out of it. The bolts are shiny but his serial strike marks look like they were made with a sledge. The stock looks almost laminated and that is because the grain looks totally different than any other rifle I have ever seen. These rifles are made with a fine grain blond wood. That wood looks like it missed the chute for the truck to the plywood factory. Did you look at the finish of his scope? It looks sandblasted. All the other Hungarian M52 specific scopes I have seen have a lathe finish that looks like the musical surface of a vinyl phonograph record.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 18:17 |
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Wow, just...wow. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=132371973 This is on the level of bullshit people sell at gunshows like "Pancho Villa's personal 1911" but with a creepy Nazi angle.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 18:42 |
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At the last gunshow, a friend pointed out to me a large set of swastika emblazoned poker chips that was supposedly found in the trunk of Rommel's car.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 19:12 |
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Vorlonesque posted:Wow, just...wow. Part of me wants t believe it might be authentic due to the collaborating evidence/"proof", another part of me wants to call BS.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 19:14 |
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28_days posted:Part of me wants t believe it might be authentic due to the collaborating evidence/"proof", another part of me wants to call BS. I think it's legit: mudman1947 on gunbroker posted:I have the prove that goes with this stuff.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 19:41 |
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Vorlonesque posted:Wow, just...wow. from a historical standpoint, something like that (if it's actually authentic) would be awesome for someone like Cyrano to get his hands on (and get into a museum and/or use it for research), but you know some inbred motherfucker in Arkansas is gonna max out his credit card on that so he can show it off at the next Klan rally.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 19:51 |
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28_days posted:Part of me wants t believe it might be authentic due to the collaborating evidence/"proof", another part of me wants to call BS. I'll almost guarantee it's utterly BS, with the POSSIBLE exception of the armband. I don't know all the silly poo poo you have know to authenticate fabrics and such (seriously, it gets down to 60 year old sewing machines, stitching patterns, etc) so I can't comment on that, but it at least looks right. It's either authentic or a very passable forgery. The papers? You see crap like that crop up ALL THE GODDAMNED TIME with old guns. Forged bring-back papers are the new hotness, mostly since 95% of the people out there, including experienced collectors who can spot hosed with serials from a mile away, can't tell the difference between something done on a good laser printer and something run off in the 40s. That stationary? Could be Hitler's personal poo poo. Could be that someone's cousin owns an embossing machine and owed them a favor. The newspaper articles would be easy enough to authenticate (just write a letter to the paper that supposedly published it with a issue number and ask if they really published that article) but that really doesn't mean poo poo - I could dig that kind of story up while researching and make up some bullshit to sell just as well. Those kinds of interest stories were really common in the mid-40s. I would take someone who REALLY knows old papers and old inks and how they change with time to make a good call on this one. This is a huge issue for historians since tons of people forge old documents, either to make a historical/political point or to sell to collectors. Hell, sometimes those forgeries are made for political purposes back when whatever issue it deals with is contemporary and historians only figure out it's bogus decades after the fact. See: The "Hitler diaries." Things to check for, off the top of my head: What kind of paper is it on? Compare the pulp/wood grain to examples of high end paper from the 40s. You'd probably also need to snip a small section (about 1cm^2 will do) from a corner and have it chemically analyzed - bleaching techniques have changed a lot in 60 years. Is there a watermark on the paper? Just about all really high end stationary, then and now, has a watermark and the companies usually change them every few years. On REALLY high end stuff the year of production is in there was well. How has the ink aged/changed over time? Inks do some interesting stuff over the years as they get old and react chemically with the stuff in the paper. And that's just the bare minimum that catches the REALLY LAZY AND lovely forgers. Really good forgers will track down period stationary, period inks, and period pens and then chemically accelerate the aging process, basically just fast forwarding the chemical reactions between the inks and paper that normally happen over decades. This is a lot less difficult than you'd think - hell, I do most of my writing with a fountain pen from 1939, and that cost me all of $60 through a store that specializes in refurbishing old pens for collectors. I'm sure embossing techniques for stationary have changed, an expert could probably look at it up close and figure out if it was done on old machinery or new machinery. There's a thread over on Gunboards right now about authenticating capture papers and they've got a bunch of print geeks talking about how, specifically, forms were printed in the 40s and how that affects the underlying paper and how you can tell the difference between that and something printed on modern machinery. I'm assuming embossers can tell in much the same way. Professional forgers of 19th century documents often get period paper from the blank front-sheets of books published back then, something that's the bane of antique book dealers. The big thing with stuff like this is a verifiable (in the legal sense) chain of custody, or "provenance" in collector/historian parlance. If you can establish 100% that something was picked up in Germany in 1945, that it was held by this person for so many years, that they sold/gave it to someone else, and so on - all through much better documented transfers than "his mother gave it to a (unnamed) friend of hers" - then you can be almost 100% sure it's authentic. Frequently this is the only way to really authenticate some antiques that are simply too easy to fake. WW2 German helmets, for example, are often so full of fakes and "improved" examples that this is the only way to really nail them down. A helmet with good, established provenance can fetch 2-5x what one that just appeared out of no where will. So. . . . yeah. To be worth looking into buying you'd need to get it authenticated, which is quite an expensive process. This is half of what people who deal in fine collectibles do. They educate themselves about a broad variety of issues, just enough to catch the really obvious bullshit, and then buy a whole bunch of potential hits. They then send them out to people they know who can authenticate them, a process that is expensive in and of itself, and simply expect that a certain percent of what they bought is going to turn out to be worthless bullshit. The payoff comes when they get something for relatively cheap, authenticate it, and are able to turn around and sell it on the high-end collector market for serious cash. I'm guessing authenticated Hitler stationary would probably go for $5-10k to the right collector.
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| # ? Jun 27, 2009 20:37 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:WW2 German helmets, for example, are often so full of fakes and "improved" examples that this is the only way to really nail them down. A helmet with good, established provenance can fetch 2-5x what one that just appeared out of no where will. Speaking of helmets, did that German helmet you got awhile back turn out to be the real deal or not?
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Cyrano4747 posted:I'll almost guarantee it's utterly BS, with the POSSIBLE exception of the armband. I don't know all the silly poo poo you have know to authenticate fabrics and such (seriously, it gets down to 60 year old sewing machines, stitching patterns, etc) so I can't comment on that, but it at least looks right. It's either authentic or a very passable forgery. drat, nice write-up. Indeed. Hence why it won't command a super high-price (at least I don't expect it too), it's virtually impossible to provide enough evidence that it's authentic. Cool none the less. And if it is fake, at least this seller spent some time doing it right. As we've seen with many links, most sellers do a half-rear end job (like the shaved down G43 above).
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Vorlonesque posted:Wow, just...wow. Let's take a look at the obituary clipping shown in the listing. Yellow as hell, right? Now take a look at the stationary. Pearly white, right? Granted there are notable differences between newsprint and heavy stationary, but there was little to no air conditioning in Louisiana throughout the 40's and 50's, and our sub-tropical climate turns paper yellow like a chain smoker's teeth. There's no possible way that stationary is going to look brighter than a news clipping that's almost 30 years more recent.
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