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omgLerkHat!
Dec 7, 2003


Cyrano4747 posted:

Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised that there haven't been more convicts/crazy people/others who can't legally buy guns ordering pre-1898 Mosins and turning them into at-home Obrez's.

Sure, the drat thing would be functionally useless from a practical firearm point of view. But it would sure work well enough to hold up a liquor store, and I bet it would even work well enough to kill a gang rival up close, or whatever nefarious activity you are involved in.

This is probably the case because the criminals in question aren't well informed enough to know of this (most people have no idea that distinction exists) and that they can just as easily get more effective, concealable, modern pistols for their purposes. This reminds me of that one video that was posted here several years ago made by gang members showing off their guns and some guy brings out this bizarre looking rifle that most people on the forums had never seen before. Turned out to be some weird thing that had never really been imported and had a small production run. The video really shows that 1. criminals really can get anything they drat well please and 2. that there are a lot of neat guns that don't make it to the U.S.

I doubt that he even knew what he was holding, but still it was really surprising to see.

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eine dose socken
Mar 9, 2008



walrusman posted:

Well I can go into a Dick's and buy a high-powered .50-caliber sniper rifle right now, without even showing them my DL.

Yess! Or buy a LeMat revolver and pop a .44 round ball into the opposing gang, followed by a 16 gauge slug. Imagine what a prolonged black powder shootout must look like. Late-19th-century London fog and huge muzzle flashes everywhere..

So if black powder guns and pre-1898 guns aren't actual firearms in the U.S., are they legal to carry anywhere or what are the rules for that?

walrusman
Aug 4, 2006

Ride the rainbow


It's probably still considered a (deadly?) weapon and toting one around downtown Seattle will still get you an impromptu visit from four or five patrol cars.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

American planes, full of holes and wounded men, took off backwards from an airfield in England. Over France, a few German fighter planes flew at them backwards, sucked bullets and shell fragments from some of the planes and crewmen. They did the same for wrecked American bombers on the ground.

Major Topfenstrudel posted:

Yess! Or buy a LeMat revolver and pop a .44 round ball into the opposing gang, followed by a 16 gauge slug. Imagine what a prolonged black powder shootout must look like. Late-19th-century London fog and huge muzzle flashes everywhere..

So if black powder guns and pre-1898 guns aren't actual firearms in the U.S., are they legal to carry anywhere or what are the rules for that?

Depends on the state. Carry laws are all state level. Hell, we have two states that have NO laws restricting concealed carry (Vermont and Alaska, I believe).

Most places have anti-carry statutes that simply say that people are prohibited from carrying concealed "weapons" without a permit, and then go through a list of weapons as examples. Some stuff gets selected by name because of political scare-mongering (nunchucks and throwing stars are common, due to all the early 80s era "think of the children" hand-wringing about Kung-fu movies), while other stuff is pretty self-evident ("guns" or "Firearms")

It's also worth noting that the ATF definition is not necessarily the legal definition for a state.

So, no, going "This is a black powder revolver and not technically a gun, officers " probably isn't going to work.

edit: e;fb but with more wonderful, delightful words

Illegal Clown
Feb 18, 2004



Major Topfenstrudel posted:

Also, how do you keep your gun pointed at the clerk and retrieve cash from the register when the gun is like twice the length of your arm?

That's what the bayonet is for. They throw the money in the sack and you grab it with the bayonet and be on your way.

Major Topfenstrudel posted:

Yess! Or buy a LeMat revolver and pop a .44 round ball into the opposing gang, followed by a 16 gauge slug. Imagine what a prolonged black powder shootout must look like. Late-19th-century London fog and huge muzzle flashes everywhere..

So if black powder guns and pre-1898 guns aren't actual firearms in the U.S., are they legal to carry anywhere or what are the rules for that?

In my state, Michigan, BP pistols are subject to all state carry laws. Another interesting thing is that rifles with folding stocks here have to be registered as pistols. I often wondered if I could use an underfolder AK and a carry piece just to say that I could.

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Major Topfenstrudel posted:

Yess! Or buy a LeMat revolver and pop a .44 round ball into the opposing gang, followed by a 16 gauge slug. Imagine what a prolonged black powder shootout must look like. Late-19th-century London fog and huge muzzle flashes everywhere..

So if black powder guns and pre-1898 guns aren't actual firearms in the U.S., are they legal to carry anywhere or what are the rules for that?

When I first bought a Mosin my immediate thought was: How long until we hear of some gang warfare taking place with these? "I went all enemy at the gates on his rear end"?

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Cyrano4747 posted:

Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised that there haven't been more convicts/crazy people/others who can't legally buy guns ordering pre-1898 Mosins and turning them into at-home Obrez's.

Sure, the drat thing would be functionally useless from a practical firearm point of view. But it would sure work well enough to hold up a liquor store, and I bet it would even work well enough to kill a gang rival up close, or whatever nefarious activity you are involved in.

Question. Can you legally make a SBR with an antique rifle without a tax stamp as they are not regulated?

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

FURRED STREET,
BITCHES!




Supposedly, that's why the one guy can sell the "bringback Volksturm-modified" 12"-barreled Gew88. Between my not knowing for certain, and certainly not being sure that Washington State's No Fun Allowed restrictions would allow it, means I didn't spend the $130 or whatever as a gag gift for Cyrano4747.

No one else seems willing to test it, either, as I first saw that back in like April or so, I think.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Hold your stomach until the end

Basket weave grips in the mother-loving haaaaouse



For you revolver dorks that's a 686 that's been purdied up and is now known as "Eagel [sic] Has Landed" . Ain't it great?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt...?Item=142554554

walrusman
Aug 4, 2006

Ride the rainbow


Those grips look miserable.

Everything else...looks...miserable.

edit: the grips just look far too rustic for all that engraving. Not saying the engraving is particularly good, it's just that the grips don't "fit."

Also,

listing posted:

GOD BLESS AMERICA ON THIS DAY 9-11-2009.

Been relisted a few times, I see.

walrusman fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2009 around 01:07

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Sten Freak posted:

Basket weave grips in the mother-loving haaaaouse



For you revolver dorks that's a 686 that's been purdied up and is now known as "Eagel [sic] Has Landed" . Ain't it great?

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt...?Item=142554554

He did it to a poor innocent redhawk too.


Click here for the full 640x480 image.


I stared at these for a while, they looked so familiar, then I realized it:


Click here for the full 1200x518 image.


They now look like dime store capguns.

Edit: What the gently caress is this guy trying to say?

A NICE SP101 .22LR, FOUR INCH HEAVY BARREL. THERE ARE TONS OF FOUR INCH, SIX SHOT SP101'S. "AT LEAST FOUR IN EVERY GUN SHOP SELLING FOR $230.00" I'M TOLD LOL. SN: 571-856XX, MFG 1994. THEY WERE ALL MADE WITH THE ROD WELDED ON BECAUSE A EMAIL SAID HE HAD 2 OF THEM", LOL. A WINDAGE REAR SIGHT. NOT SOLD TO CA.

LOLGUNS!!!Hurrr hurrr.

Sixgun Strumpet fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2009 around 16:04

eine dose socken
Mar 9, 2008



ChlorineTrifluoride posted:


They now look like dime store capguns.


Hahaha this was my first thought, too. Those horrible cheap ones, which used the red tape which never worked. They came with a belt, plastic holster and some handcuffs, in the "Little Sheriff Set".
Who knows, maybe this guy is a nostalgic..

Away Message
Apr 8, 2003



Seriously, I want to see what effect 20 years of holster wear would have on that 686.

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Away Message posted:

Seriously, I want to see what effect 20 years of holster wear would have on that 686.

Improvement.

N183CS
Feb 20, 2007

MOMS WITH GUNS


I sat there letting every pic load and got all excited as I scrolled down, viewing this beautiful old Colt. I almost threw my laptop when I saw what I was waiting for.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=143181641

Shnitzel
Jan 16, 2006
Mr. Pibb + Redvines = Crazy Delicious

N183CS posted:

I sat there letting every pic load and got all excited as I scrolled down, viewing this beautiful old Colt. I almost threw my laptop when I saw what I was waiting for.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=143181641

Hahaha holy poo poo

its too perfect

Micromancer
Apr 17, 2002

He went out to the store
and when he got back
Roll-marks said .22 Short, jack.
If anything I could say that
this gun was rare
Its covered it sweat,
toilet water, and hair


N183CS posted:

I sat there letting every pic load and got all excited as I scrolled down, viewing this beautiful old Colt. I almost threw my laptop when I saw what I was waiting for.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=143181641

There are 11 pictures of a Colt. And a total of 33 pictures.

QuarkMartial
Sep 25, 2004

I've seen the future, and it has hooves.

N183CS posted:

I sat there letting every pic load and got all excited as I scrolled down, viewing this beautiful old Colt. I almost threw my laptop when I saw what I was waiting for.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=143181641

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI

N183CS
Feb 20, 2007

MOMS WITH GUNS



Haha best youtube video I've seen today.

Dial M for MURDER
Sep 22, 2008


N183CS posted:

I sat there letting every pic load and got all excited as I scrolled down, viewing this beautiful old Colt. I almost threw my laptop when I saw what I was waiting for.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=143181641

It's like they put collected and assembled every email I've gotten from my racist grandmother...weird

kuffs
Mar 29, 2007

Projectile Dysfunction


Oh jesus christ this poor Mateba

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt...?Item=143290009

Doesn't help that that jackass from Florida got ahold of it, and thus put one of his ridiculous prices on it.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009

"Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? "

Well...


Dial M for MURDER posted:

It's like they put collected and assembled every email I've gotten from my racist grandmother...weird

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Dial M for MURDER posted:

It's like they put collected and assembled every email I've gotten from my racist grandmother...weird

Does your grandmother lament the loss of Little Black Sambo's every time you take her out to dinner too?

Conan the Librarian
Mar 1, 2006

I drink zee beer from zee glass but das boring, das boot? ew yeah das more like it keep pouring

So what could possibly excuse the last picture for this rifle?
http://wwww.gunbroker.com/Auction/V...?Item=142725117

Detective Thompson
Nov 9, 2007

Oh well looky what what we got ourselves over here.

Conan the Librarian posted:

So what could possibly excuse the last picture for this rifle?
http://wwww.gunbroker.com/Auction/V...?Item=142725117

How can you excuse any of those pictures? I mean, sure, I can understand he might not be able to take it outside, depending on where he lives. But at the very least he could take it into the kitchen, which would be slightly more picturesque.

Robot Battalion
May 26, 2001



I think in the last picture it was resting on the edge but as he took it it slid along the sink and fell between the tub and the side of the sink. Guy probably just said "gently caress it".

Bathroom photo session = selling for drugs?

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


Mxlplx posted:

I think in the last picture it was resting on the edge but as he took it it slid along the sink and fell between the tub and the side of the sink. Guy probably just said "gently caress it".

Bathroom photo session = selling for drugs?

Bathroom photo session = I don't want my Mom to see.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

FURRED STREET,
BITCHES!




Roundboy posted:

Bathroom photo session = I don't want my Mom to see.

Bathroom photo session = selling to pay for hazmat cleanup of the rest of the house.

Gewehr 43
Aug 25, 2003

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Bathroom photo session means he probably snagged it at some gun show while on the road and is trying to move it. The bathroom screams hotel to me.

omgLerkHat!
Dec 7, 2003


Gewehr 43 posted:

Bathroom photo session means he probably snagged it at some gun show while on the road and is trying to move it. The bathroom screams hotel to me.

Now that you mention it, that appears to be a toiletries bag there on the sink counter in the last pic. That's not something you'd see in a home bathroom (at least not out on the counter like that). It looks like you're correct.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



Hotels and motels don't usually have cabinets with drawers in the bathrooms.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

American planes, full of holes and wounded men, took off backwards from an airfield in England. Over France, a few German fighter planes flew at them backwards, sucked bullets and shell fragments from some of the planes and crewmen. They did the same for wrecked American bombers on the ground.

infrared35 posted:

Hotels and motels don't usually have cabinets with drawers in the bathrooms.

Small, non-major brand motels frequently do.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005



Cyrano4747 posted:

Small, non-major brand motels frequently do.

I categorically disavow all knowledge. I wasn't even in town that weekend, Senator.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006



Every time I stay at a hotel the drawers are on the floor









seriously you pull out all the drawers and you can make a awesome fort

Otto Skorzeny
Nov 7, 2008

He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip


Uncle Caveman posted:

Every time I stay at a hotel the drawers are on the floor









seriously you pull out all the drawers and you can make a awesome fort

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omgLerkHat!
Dec 7, 2003


Otto Skorzeny posted:

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Illegal Clown
Feb 18, 2004



infrared35 posted:

Hotels and motels don't usually have cabinets with drawers in the bathrooms.

The hotel room the military puts new recruits in near the Lansing MEPS has no sink in the bathroom. The sink is actually in the adjoining bedroom part. It was certainly an odd experience.

nmfree
Aug 15, 2001

The Greater Goon: Breaking Hearts and Chains since 2006


Illegal Clown posted:

The hotel room the military puts new recruits in near the Lansing MEPS has no sink in the bathroom. The sink is actually in the adjoining bedroom part. It was certainly an odd experience.
There are a lot of hotels that do that now; it's so that while one person is in the bathroom showering or making GBS threads another person can shave.

Illegal Clown
Feb 18, 2004



nmfree posted:

There are a lot of hotels that do that now; it's so that while one person is in the bathroom showering or making GBS threads another person can shave.

That's what I figured, but it was weird. I've only been to a handful of hotels in my life so I'm not familiar with all the things they have these days. I was confused by the whole paper card thing used as a key.

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Pretty Little Rainbow
Dec 27, 2005

by T. Finn


omgLerkHat! posted:

This is probably the case because the criminals in question aren't well informed enough to know of this (most people have no idea that distinction exists) and that they can just as easily get more effective, concealable, modern pistols for their purposes. This reminds me of that one video that was posted here several years ago made by gang members showing off their guns and some guy brings out this bizarre looking rifle that most people on the forums had never seen before. Turned out to be some weird thing that had never really been imported and had a small production run. The video really shows that 1. criminals really can get anything they drat well please and 2. that there are a lot of neat guns that don't make it to the U.S.

I doubt that he even knew what he was holding, but still it was really surprising to see.

I remember this, the SMG in question was Australian made of all things.

Edit:I remember the country it was from started with A, it looked similar to this but I remember it being much smaller.

http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as85-e.htm

Pretty Little Rainbow fucked around with this message at Oct 16, 2009 around 08:06

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