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Aeilerto posted:Edit; The nose of the harpoon is also (presumably) explosive, what's the limit for explosive charge before it becomes a title II DD?
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Craptacular posted:It's 1/4oz but I don't think it's explosive. AFAIK the idea was to hook the whale, not blast it apart. I can't say for sure if that particular cannon is explosive, but I do know that explosive harpoons were indeed used to hunt whales, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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| # ? Oct 4, 2009 19:07 |
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LimburgLimbo posted:I can't say for sure if that particular cannon is explosive, but I do know that explosive harpoons were indeed used to hunt whales, so it wouldn't surprise me. This, virtually all modern whaling (by modern I mean 1900+) is done with explosive harpoons to kill quickly.
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| # ? Oct 4, 2009 19:26 |
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Aeilerto posted:This, virtually all modern whaling (by modern I mean 1900+) is done with explosive harpoons to kill quickly. You see, whalers went through all that trouble of helping the whales die quickly and they still got their lively hood taken away. OBAMA!!! 
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 00:57 |
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You can do it with a traditional harpoon to catch the whale then kill it with a heavy African kind of caliber or a .50, I think that's how the tribes do it, but you don't need a cannon for that.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 00:59 |
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Isn't the killing charge tiny (like on a bangstick)? The harpoon does enough already, I think the idea is to cause a shock to finish it off rather than attempt to blow up organs.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 01:24 |
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 I wonder if you could mount it on a kayak...
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 01:53 |
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Delta-Wye posted:
Looks more like a baidarka to me. Explosives will damage the whale meat, so the charge is only used to propel the hook into the whale. Not that you can really make whale meat taste much worse. e: Nice pic, BTW. I Drink Stove Oil fucked around with this message at Oct 5, 2009 around 05:21 |
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Craptacular posted:It's 1/4oz but I don't think it's explosive. AFAIK the idea was to hook the whale, not blast it apart. IS there an upper limit for how much explosive a DD can have in it?
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 14:15 |
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bunnielab posted:IS there an upper limit for how much explosive a DD can have in it? 150 kilotons  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_Test_Ban_Treaty
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wikipedia posted:"150 kilotons (equivalent to 150,000 tons of TNT)" Was it really necessary to explain what a "kiloton" is? I guess it makes sense because we in the US don't use the metric system, but really?
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 18:36 |
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So for DDs you can literally just build or own any bomb or whatever you want so long as you fill out your forms and pay your $200?
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 22:30 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:Was it really necessary to explain what a "kiloton" is? I guess it makes sense because we in the US don't use the metric system, but really? I think the 'TNT' is the important bit there. You can infer the 150,000 from 150 kiloton, but unless you already know the unit for measuring explosive power, you've got no idea what the 150k means.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 22:33 |
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RU 187 261 LIB posted:So for DDs you can literally just build or own any bomb or whatever you want so long as you fill out your forms and pay your $200? Recall that each round needs to be registered as a DD Eg. if you own an M203 registered as a DD, you pay the $200 to register the launcher itself, plus $200 each to register any rounds which themselves contain more than 1/4 oz. of explosive.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 22:42 |
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Well yeah that's the problem for grenades but what if you wanted like a 1000lb bomb from WW2 or whatever.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 22:54 |
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If it's explosive you need to have an explosives license from the ATF too, which requires an appropriate magazine that's a certain distance (a couple hundred yards?) away from other structures.
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| # ? Oct 5, 2009 23:24 |
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Craptacular posted:If it's explosive you need to have an explosives license from the ATF too, which requires an appropriate magazine that's a certain distance (a couple hundred yards?) away from other structures. So my plan to build and register a suicide vest isn't going to fly then? I would pretty much win every "stopping power" dick waving contest with that baby.
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| # ? Oct 6, 2009 02:48 |
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bunnielab posted:So my plan to build and register a suicide vest isn't going to fly then? You could always just fill the trauma plate pocket with tannerite.
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| # ? Oct 6, 2009 08:00 |
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http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C104051/ Not exactly gunbroker, but this is on a wild pendulum between  for the content and  for the English.
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| # ? Oct 7, 2009 19:56 |
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Propagandalf posted:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C104051/ I can't imagine all that equipment is easy to haul around. It'll hit 60 in about a half-hour.
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| # ? Oct 7, 2009 20:05 |
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Propagandalf posted:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C104051/ Lithuanians has bads engrish? !
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| # ? Oct 7, 2009 20:28 |
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BarkingSquirrel posted:Lithuanians has bads engrish? ! Lithuanians have no setting between "no English" and "so good they must have spent 20 years as a mole in Langley, VA."
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Groda posted:Lithuanians have no setting between "no English" and "so good they must have spent 20 years as a mole in Langley, VA." Actually they do, and that setting is "World of Warcraft". Not that it helps..
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| # ? Oct 8, 2009 11:12 |
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Propagandalf posted:http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C104051/ Is that some weird lithuanian camo paintjob or did this truck see use as some crazy hippie/freetek partymobile? Because i have seen these types of trucks at techno festivals quite often..
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| # ? Oct 8, 2009 13:22 |
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Dunno, I was looking at cars and stumbled across it. Could just be someone gave a couple of conscripts a few cans of spraypaint and told them to make it look nice before it was sold.
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| # ? Oct 8, 2009 13:50 |
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Groda posted:Lithuanians have no setting between "no English" and "so good they must have spent 20 years as a mole in Langley, VA." Spend much time among Latvians? There's a few more clicks on the dial, but they're all equally useless. 1) No foreign language at all. 2) Russian only - possibly no Latvian either 3) "I served 20 years in the Latvian Legion of the SS" levels of German. Note: more common among old Latvians, many of whom actually WERE in the SS and now live in the Baltimore/DC area. 4) "What the hell are you talking about? No, I wasn't born in the US. We've known each other for 5 years, man, how could you not know I'm an immigrant."
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| # ? Oct 8, 2009 17:03 |
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What is this nonsense? http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt...?Item=142406767
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 02:58 |
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I only mention this because of the last picture. It seems a little unnecessary and insulting to our brothers still trapped in the land where freedom is just a fading memory and a foolish dream for the future. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt...?Item=141829876
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 03:04 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:What is this nonsense? I am bidding NOW... wait.. the buttplate doesn't fit correctly. ITS RUINED
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 03:36 |
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a foolish pianist posted:I think the 'TNT' is the important bit there. You can infer the 150,000 from 150 kiloton, but unless you already know the unit for measuring explosive power, you've got no idea what the 150k means. How many football fields is it? How many empire state buildings? Come on use *standard* units of measure.
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 03:45 |
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Not really ridiculous or anything, more cool. This is from eGun, a german Gunbroker clone. It's an infantry bullet shield from World War I - it even has a ding where a bullet hit it! My grandfather spent several years in the trenches of Verdun and i simply can't imagine how terrifying it must be to crouch behind one of these things (and they were rare as gently caress) and hear a bullet impact on the other side... http://egun.at/market/item.php?id=2451247
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 09:39 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:What is this nonsense? A loving genius way to turn a profit, based on the "fool and his money" principle.
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| # ? Oct 9, 2009 17:12 |
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SAFE QUEEN 1898 dated Swedish Mauser M96svartkrutt posted:Please Note: Seeing this rifle was made prior to 1899 it is not considered a "firearm" under Federal law. Therefore it will most likely be exempt from any new Federal gun registration law. (Sadly, registration looks like it might be inevitable within a few years)...........
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Groda posted:SAFE QUEEN 1898 dated Swedish Mauser M96 continued: svartkrutt posted:Because of the availability of ammunition for this gun I will only ship to a C&R or FFL. 'hurf, it's not a firearm, but o wait the only way i'll ship it is as though it's a firearm'
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televiper posted:'hurf, it's not a firearm, but o wait the only way i'll ship it is as though it's a firearm' Well, it's not totally unreasonable. Really, if you want to point out any single piece of ATF idiocy that runs in our favor but probably SHOULD be corrected it would be the 1898 gun/not a gun distinction. There is simply no good reason why two identical Mausers have two different legal standings based on the fact that gun A was made in 1897 and gun B was made in 1904. Going to a C&R or FFL at least he has some idea that the person buying it will either have gone through the trouble to get a C&R (and thus can pass a background check) or he's at least walking into a physical store and showing a guy a driver's license. I'm just saying, I don't know that I'd feel 100% comfortable selling something that I KNOW is a gun - regardless of what the ATF says - to some totally anonymous person over the internet. I know there's very little of actual substance that can be gotten by looking and talking to someone for a couple minutes, but there's certainly more than you can get by a check and an emailed address.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Well, it's not totally unreasonable. Really, if you want to point out any single piece of ATF idiocy that runs in our favor but probably SHOULD be corrected it would be the 1898 gun/not a gun distinction. There is simply no good reason why two identical Mausers have two different legal standings based on the fact that gun A was made in 1897 and gun B was made in 1904. I think I agree with this. I don't know if an arbitrary date is the best thing to do. Maybe it made more sense in 1968 since many C&R guns today would have been considered modern. I also don't think there were too many antique rifles in the country that fired readily available ammo at the time. Maybe this is because the US was so far behind the times in the 1890s that most antiques were old obsolete blackpowder guns. I'd say maybe ammo and total production run should be considered more. Functionally speaking, there is no different than a Mosin made in 1895 than one made in 1945 yet one is not a gun. I can get a Mosin made in 1898 that doesn't count as a gun and can get lots of cheap ammo for it. My Krag was made in 1900 and is a gun, but right now I can't find any ammo for it, and when I can it's not cheap. I ask, which one is more gunny, more likely to be fired, than the other? Mosins were made until the 1950s while American Krags were only made until 1904. Then I think a little more rationally, that chances are someone buying a 110+ year old rifle probably isn't a criminal and isn't going to use it much more beyond collecting purposes. That is also why the C&R status was created, to give a semi-antique status to more modern type guns. Also, I know that if someone is not legally allowed to own guns and is wanting one for less than legal reasons he will go through other less than legal means to get a better modern gun to commit his less than legal activities. For that reason I can accept the way the laws are now and continue to benefit from the antique status of guns that probably shouldn't be. I don't see the law changing or really needing to change until some convicted felon goes on a shooting spree with one of those rebuilt antique Fin Mosins. On a similar note, I'm watching an auction on Gunbroker for something the seller is calling an antique but I have a feeling it was made in the early 20th century. For that reason, if I buy the thing I'm sending my C&R just so I know we're both within the law. I'd hate for one of us to end up in PMITA for a mistake on thinking the item was an antique.
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Illegal Clown posted:Also, I know that if someone is not legally allowed to own guns and is wanting one for less than legal reasons he will go through other less than legal means to get a better modern gun to commit his less than legal activities. This sentence conjured a mental image of an ex-con holding up a liquor store with a full-length Mosin or Gewehr 88, then getting stuck in the door when making his getaway move. That would sure make for some entertaining security camera footage... Also, how do you keep your gun pointed at the clerk and retrieve cash from the register when the gun is like twice the length of your arm?
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Major Topfenstrudel posted:This sentence conjured a mental image of an ex-con holding up a liquor store with a full-length Mosin or Gewehr 88, then getting stuck in the door when making his getaway move. That would sure make for some entertaining security camera footage... The answer to your problems is a hacksaw.
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| # ? Oct 11, 2009 20:20 |
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Well I can go into a Dick's and buy a high-powered .50-caliber sniper rifle right now, without even showing them my DL.  For those outside the US: black powder = not a gun
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Atticus_1354 posted:The answer to your problems is a hacksaw. Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised that there haven't been more convicts/crazy people/others who can't legally buy guns ordering pre-1898 Mosins and turning them into at-home Obrez's. Sure, the drat thing would be functionally useless from a practical firearm point of view. But it would sure work well enough to hold up a liquor store, and I bet it would even work well enough to kill a gang rival up close, or whatever nefarious activity you are involved in.
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