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#### Groda posted:

there's really nothing to be gained by reducing your figures every time you present them.
I guess the thing to be gained I would think would be the understanding of what it is in a decimal as thats how most people think/relate with numbers in my experience.

For example, I think most know 1/4 = .25, 7/16 = .4375 and 1/8 = .125 ... the kind of thing most of us I suspect learned early in school.

However, 4/32 or 14/32? I have to think for sec as to what that is. I guess if a person had a whole list of sizes and a couple couldn't be reduced from 32nd, it would be quick way to tell which is bigger/smaller for easy comparison at a glimpse.

Oh well, not meaning to hijack, just a curiosity because I have seen people do that too.

#### slidebite posted:

I guess the thing to be gained I would think would be the understanding of what it is in a decimal as thats how most people think/relate with numbers in my experience.

For example, I think most know 1/4 = .25, 7/16 = .4375 and 1/8 = .125 ... the kind of thing most of us I suspect learned early in school.

However, 4/32 or 14/32? I have to think for sec as to what that is. I guess if a person had a whole list of sizes and a couple couldn't be reduced from 32nd, it would be quick way to tell which is bigger/smaller for easy comparison at a glimpse.

Oh well, not meaning to hijack, just a curiosity because I have seen people do that too.

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You actually think that most people, as in greater than 50% of the US population (or Canadian, whatever, your schools aren't that much better than ours on this stuff) know that 1/8 = .125?

Or that 7/16 = .4375?

People don't reduce those fractions because it makes meaningful, quick comparisons possible. If I've got one thing that's 3/32 and the other that's 16/32 I'm not going to reduce the second one to 1/2.

#### Cyrano4747 posted:

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You actually think that most people, as in greater than 50% of the US population (or Canadian, whatever, your schools aren't that much better than ours on this stuff) know that 1/8 = .125?

Or that 7/16 = .4375?
As in most people that actually deal with numbers like this more than once in their lives? I'd sure hope so.

#### quote:

People don't reduce those fractions because it makes meaningful, quick comparisons possible. If I've got one thing that's 3/32 and the other that's 16/32 I'm not going to reduce the second one to 1/2.
Isn't that what I just said above your post?

#### slidebite posted:

As in most people that actually deal with numbers like this more than once in their lives? I'd sure hope so.

How often do you really think the average person deals with fractions beyond the really, really dirt-simple poo poo like 1/2, 1/3, 1/4?

I'm serious. Stop and really think about it. At this point everything is calculated out electronically 99% of the time for people. The only place I can really think of where you're using fraction-based math at all is in cooking, and a shockingly low percentage of people actually cook their own meals at this point (and no, warming up the Hot Pocket yourself is not "cooking"). Even then, most just follow the recipe. Try asking someone how to do basic fraction math, like converting the recipe for a cake to make half of the serving that it's written for (dividing everything by two).

Hilariously enough the people I've seen with the best fraction-based math are potheads. Your average stoner can tell you how to break up a quarter ounce among 7 people without batting an eyelash.

#### Cyrano4747 posted:

Hilariously enough the people I've seen with the best fraction-based math are potheads. Your average stoner can tell you how to break up a quarter ounce among 7 people without batting an eyelash.
No poo poo, that's not even math, it's a gram per person and the guy who drove over to Jimmy's place to pick it up gets

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#### Cyrano4747 posted:

How often do you really think the average person deals with fractions beyond the really, really dirt-simple poo poo like 1/2, 1/3, 1/4?
True, but that's pretty much my point. Maybe I'm explaining myself poorly.

People can relate to that (the more worked down fractions) easier a 32nd. Breaking something down to a x/4 or even an x/8 is at least something someone with basic elementary math skill can at least relate to. 1/4? Sure.. and 1/8 is twice as small. OK, people can wrap their heads around that. Bring out a 32nds? How does that not make your eyes glaze over unless you're doing a direct comparison with a few of which that is the lowest common denominator? It just becomes goobeldy-gook at that high of a fraction to most.

Heck, In my business I deal with cross section of people from dirt simple farmer Jed, Professional Engineers and machinists. I can tell you that the easiest way to explain things to people is either with the lowest denominator fraction OR, even better, a decimal. Generally if it's smaller than a sixteenth for purposes of discussion it goes to "just a bit more than a sixteenth" than, say, "3/32". At that point a decimal is probably the best way to describe because everyone seems to grasp that pretty well.

That's all, not meaning to make a big deal out of it.

#### quote:

Hilariously enough the people I've seen with the best fraction-based math are potheads. Your average stoner can tell you how to break up a quarter ounce among 7 people without batting an eyelash.
Hah. Never thought of it that way but you are right.

slidebite fucked around with this message at Jun 17, 2010 around 19:48

 Makrond Aug 8, 2009 Now that I have all the animes, I can finally become Emperor of Japan! All of this could be solved by moving to the metric system. (oh god if this starts an imperial vs metric discussion i will shoot someone) Content: a legitimate American citizen who should probably know more about this than I do asked me, of all people, why nobody uses 'six point eight calibers'. I wasn't sure what to say. Edit: oh god I thought this was the stupid gun poo poo thread. Makrond fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2010 around 02:07 # ? Jun 18, 2010 03:10

#### Makrond posted:

All of this could be solved by moving to the metric system.

(oh god if this starts an imperial vs metric discussion i will shoot someone)

The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

 Alaan May 24, 2005 There's no need for words The car industry at least needs to decide on one or the other. Working on cars # ? Jun 18, 2010 04:01

#### Makrond posted:

Content: a legitimate American citizen who should probably know more about this than I do asked me, of all people, why nobody uses 'six point eight calibers'. I wasn't sure what to say.

What caliber would 6.8 actually be? .2somethingwhat? time to google

edit: "basically similar to .280 british" apparently. google is better than being proactive and using math.

BrainGlitch fucked around with this message at Jun 18, 2010 around 04:13

#### Makrond posted:

All of this could be solved by moving to the metric system.

1/32 of inch is closer to 1mm than 1/16 of an inch. Just over 1/32 of a inch is 1mm. Don't they teach this in shop class anymore?

#### Makrond posted:

Content: a legitimate American citizen who should probably know more about this than I do asked me, of all people, why nobody uses 'six point eight calibers'. I wasn't sure what to say.

Doesn't .270 Winchester use a 6.8mm bullet?

#### Illegal Clown posted:

The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

My speedometer is marked in furlongs per fortnight.

 iyaayas01 Feb 19, 2010 Perry'd Well...there's this, of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.8_mm_Remington_SPC # ? Jun 18, 2010 06:13
 Detective Thompson Nov 9, 2007 Oh well looky what what we got ourselves over here. I think his question is why doesn't anyone say 6.8 cal, not why aren't there any 6.8mm rounds, which of course there are. Caliber doesn't mean just parts of an inch. 6.8mm is a caliber. 8.8cm is a caliber. I think the reason people don't attach it to stuff like 9mm and the like, is the potential for confusion. Most people only think of caliber as parts of an inch, even if it's not. So saying 9mm cal or 9 cal is going to throw people off, plus it's a bit awkward. Most people know 9mm is a type of ammo, anyway, so there really isn't any need. # ? Jun 18, 2010 08:52

#### infrared35 posted:

My speedometer is marked in furlongs per fortnight.

The speed limit in my state is 87360 furlongs per fortnight. Really.

 Isepic May 7, 2002 "Son, did you know you were speeding?" "Yes officer, but I'm not going anywhere for the next 3 days, so it will average out..." # ? Jun 18, 2010 13:14
 I like turtles Aug 6, 2009 "Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? " Well... "Son, do you know how fast you were going?" "No sir, but I can tell you my exact location" # ? Jun 18, 2010 16:20

#### Eat This Glob posted:

The speed limit in my state is 87360 furlongs per fortnight. Really.

32 miles per hour in your state? Wow....

as in Wow, Google calculator is definitely the poo poo!

#### Illegal Clown posted:

The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

2/3 of my company is spec'd in bar, the other 1/3 in MPa.
I just spent the last week teaching every engineer under 30 what a "kilopond" was.
Megajoules and kilowatthours are currently in a life and death struggle which threatens to consume us all.
We're currently sourcing totally new items in inches, revealing that our originals were, too--just relabled in millimeters.
The gram-centimeter-second system has taken all of our physicists hostage and has yet to issue demands.
"Meters of water column" are used almost universally in conversation, but occur almost nowhere in the documentation.

#### Groda posted:

2/3 of my company is spec'd in bar, the other 1/3 in MPa.
I just spent the last week teaching every engineer under 30 what a "kilopond" was.
Megajoules and kilowatthours are currently in a life and death struggle which threatens to consume us all.
We're currently sourcing totally new items in inches, revealing that our originals were, too--just relabled in millimeters.
The gram-centimeter-second system has taken all of our physicists hostage and has yet to issue demands.
"Meters of water column" are used almost universally in conversation, but occur almost nowhere in the documentation.

Wow, suddenly it makes sense why my college physics teacher taught us all of the older measurement systems that I thought died off years ago. It made sense when my high school auto shop teacher taught both because we used both for certain things, but I just assumed the sciences switched over to the metric. Well, we did lose a space probe that one year because the engineers mixed up the units.

My story about the metric system is that when I started school in the later 1980s they only taught us the metric system because it was believed we would be switching over soon. My dad always yelled at me when we were working on a project because I would estimate using centimeters instead of inches and that I didn't know how to read an inch ruler.

To contribute, someone thinks a sporterized Krag from 1903 should be worth the same as an original condition one.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=174980107

#### Illegal Clown posted:

My story about the metric system is that when I started school in the later 1980s they only taught us the metric system because it was believed we would be switching over soon. My dad always yelled at me when we were working on a project because I would estimate using centimeters instead of inches and that I didn't know how to read an inch ruler.
I actually think that should have been something Obama pushed through as a stimulus program

This is from the classifieds on a local board. I mostly chuckled at the parts selection and asking price, but don't bother asking this guy for photos if you're just looking to pad your "badass guns of the internet" picture collection.

#### quote:

Last but not least this one is a long shot, i really doubt this one will move. i have a little over 3800 in her without the ammo. Its a Predator series Bushmaster ar15 with the two stage trigger from factory, less than a 100 rounds down the tube. comes with magpul PRS stock, panther arms bench grip, A.R.M.S. quick throw rings with 30 to 1" rudeucers, a z-600 zeiss scope, only been on this gun with box and paperwork, harris swivel point bi pod with quick lock thumb installed. JP enterprizes Muzzle brake installed by Mr Billy Tierce. has a voodoo molle bag, around 6 30 round clips never loaded, one 10 rounder, a sling, 200 rounds of Winchester 55 grain, 250 rounds of ss109 armor piercing, and 50 rounds of tracers. the gun has never had a tracer down the tube i just bought them at the last gun show for some reason. i have all paperwork and original case to the gun included, i am original buyer. also a sunshade from zeiss. if anyone is serious and wants better pictures ask but i am not pulling it out just for photo collectors. and i know most folks dont care for bench ar15 but she is a real tack driver

 spankmeister Jun 15, 2008 TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time. Is it me or is that muzzle device on crooked? Also, he said clips. # ? Jun 20, 2010 22:40

#### spankmeister posted:

Is it me or is that muzzle device on crooked?

Also, he said clips.

I think it's just photographed from an angle that makes it look crooked because it's narrower at the top than at the bottom.

 wilfoy Jan 21, 2004 The rifle is also slightly tilted because it's on a swivel bipod. # ? Jun 20, 2010 22:53
 gg Jul 3, 2003 How is that thing worth \$3500? The scope? It's one thing to overcharge because you spent that much on the rifle but I can't imagine him spending more than \$2000 on that thing. # ? Jun 21, 2010 03:33

#### gg posted:

How is that thing worth \$3500? The scope? It's one thing to overcharge because you spent that much on the rifle but I can't imagine him spending more than \$2000 on that thing.

A quick google search gives prices for Zeiss Z 600 scopes that range wildly, from 500\$ to 2400\$ - so at least theoretically, it could be the scope. Or maybe his gunsmith buddy hosed him over on the installation of that hideous muzzle device?

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eine dose socken fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2010 around 09:55

 Cadence Dec 31, 2007 Thing to distract from fact I posted off-topic: Mild nws maybe. [url]http://img.waffleimages.com/879a8867c9cab0a4a31c6f1541e6166c539765e2/IMG_9081.JPG[/url] http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=174467876 "Clean, Tight and Unmarked." Because Gunbroker is my go-to place for Vintage Sex Manuals. Cadence fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2010 around 10:42 # ? Jun 21, 2010 09:44
 Sylink Apr 17, 2004 Google calculator is weird (1000 gross) per fortnight = 0.119047619 hertz # ? Jun 21, 2010 14:54

(1000 gross) per fortnight = 0.119047619 hertz
You divided a unitless number by a time, you got a frequency.

 spankmeister Jun 15, 2008 TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time. Yeah you just did 144000/14 days which is 1209600 in seconds so 144000/1209600. spankmeister fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2010 around 15:45 # ? Jun 21, 2010 15:42

#### I like turtles posted:

"Son, do you know how fast you were going?"
"No sir, but I can tell you my exact location"

oh goddamn

particle physics joke buddy

fastedit: "Boson, do you know how fast you were going?"

oh goddamn

particle physics joke buddy

fastedit: "Boson, do you know how fast you were going?"

I totally woulda been a physics major in college, but I didn't want to take the calc classes

oh goddamn

particle physics joke buddy

fastedit: "Boson, do you know how fast you were going?"

2 atoms walk into a bar, one of them says: "I think I just lost an electron."
The other asks: "Are you sure?"
He replies: "I'm positive."

Old, but still funny.

 I like turtles Aug 6, 2009 "Wouldn't want to see an angry turtle with a gun, would ya? " Well... There's also the one that was told on Big Bang Theory, that I felt fantastically for having heard many years before: A farmer has a bunch of chickens. They gradually stop laying eggs, and he can't figure out why. He tries everything, diet, more room, more sun, etc, but nothing works. He figures he'll ask the smartest guy he knows, a physicist. The physicist comes out, wanders around for a while looking at stuff and leaves. The farmer gets a call two weeks later from the physicist. I've found a solution to your problem! That's great! Thank you! But it only works with spherical chickens in a vacuum. # ? Jun 21, 2010 18:50

#### I like turtles posted:

I totally woulda been a physics major in college, but I didn't want to take the calc classes

fail at math buddies

I could've been an astronomer/cosmologist/astrophysicist if I weren't so drat lazy. Maybe I would've been friends with Dr. Plait or Dr. deGrasse Tyson.

 Nipponophile Apr 8, 2009 Man of the Rising Sun My favorite astrophysicist right here # ? Jun 21, 2010 20:01

#### Nipponophile posted:

My favorite astrophysicist right here

Huge Freddie Mercury fan, but my favorite Queen song will always be one of Brian May's.