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Secret Ooze posted:Dont show that listing to IR35. Ffffff Take a breath. Okay. I'll stick to the SIG. There. That wasn't so hard. 
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191102950 Pretty sweet revolver and not a bad price. The reason I linked this is the description, which when pasted into Word comes in at 19 pages and 8348 words. some crazy posted:Dan Wesson 44 Magnum with 10 inch Barrel 200th year "WE THE PEOPLE" 24 Caret Gold commemorative !! NO RESERVE!!! TRADE??? You are Bidding One Hell of a Nice Dan Wesson, 44 Remington Magnum. This is a very limited edition, but it is too good of a Shooter to leave it, in a box, on the shelve. This Revolver with the 10" Barrel, can really shoot a tight 25 yard group, with factory ammo. In the right hands, with custom reloads, no telling what you can do with this fine shooter. This Revolver sold for over $1,000, 30 years ago as a limited edition. But since it has been fired I'm offering it as a Hunting Rig with NO RESERVE and starting at 44 CENTS. If you are a Dan Wesson Fan you know that a 10 inch Barrel and Shroud assembly bring $450 to $550 with out the 24 cart gold plating and engraving. As you know, your 44 REM MAG, can also fire 44 Smith & Wesson Please look at the pictures and judge for yourself as far as the revolver condition. The gun is being sold as a shooter not a Collectible. Some of the Gold plating has worn or flaked off on the cylinder do to firing as you can see in the Photos. Please Check out my other auctions for more Dan Wesson items, that are being sold separately. I'm always looking for a good trade, and if I can use it, or resell it, and keep our $$$ going from hand to hand, I'll consider just about anything in trade, that is legal. I will be happy to combine shipping. Here is some information about Dan Wesson Firearms I gleaned, off of the Internet."Dan Wesson Arms, 119 Kimper StNorwich, NY 13815(607) 336-1174fax: (607) 336-2730 email: danwessonfirearms@citlink.netweb: http://www.dan-wesson.comcurrently they are doing repair work on Dan Wesson revolvers made by the previous incarnations of the company.The Dan Wesson revolvers are being made by CZ, New York International, and before that as Dan Wesson Arms, and Wesson Arms Inc, and probably some other permutation of that company name. As could be guessed, the company has been reorganized several times and has gone through many different management and ownerships.History:Dan Wesson, the great-grandson of D.B. Wesson co-founder of Smith & Wesson, was born in 1916. He worked in the family company from 1938 until 1963 when S & W was acquired by Bangor Punta. Having formed a tool and die company in 1948, he left S & W and changed the name of D. B. Wesson, Inc. to Dan Wesson Arms. The firearms of Dan Wesson Arms earned a reputation as a silhouette gun. But by 1983 Dan Wesson Arms was in trouble. The family had gotten out of the company and the popularity of silhouette shooting had declined. The quality of the firearms dropped according to many owners of Dan Wesson revolvers made during this time. At one point it looked as though the company would close down. But then Seth (the son of Dan Wesson) and Carol Wesson took control of the company renaming it Wesson Firearms Co. This version of the company soon floundered. After several years, New York International bought up the name and has restarted a company intending to produce the Dan Wesson design guns again.The classic Dan Wesson revolvers are big heavy frame guns. The large bore frames (i.e. > 357 Magnum) are in the same strength class as the Ruger Blackhawk and the TC contender. Cylinder wall thickness on the 44 Magnum Dan Wesson is a few thousandths greater than on the equivalent Ruger Blackhawk. The Dan Wesson big bore revolvers are the guns that win in IMHSA Production Class (essentially a `stock' class, no custom guns, and there used to be a upper price limit), both because they are very accurate, and because they will stand up to many thousands of full power loads without shooting loose. Only since the repeal of the price ceiling in Production Class IMHSA have other more expensive brands gained a foothold in the winners circle.There are several distinctive feature that separate the Dan Wesson revolver from the S&W and Rugers of the revolver world. The cylinder latch is not in the conventional left rear sideplate location, but rather is on the left side of the crane, just forward of the cylinder. It is pushed down to open the cylinder rather than forward or backward. Only the small frame guns have side plates, there are no sideplates on the big bore frame sizes. On the big bore frames, all parts are fitted and installed through the gap left when the trigger assembly is removed. This greatly increases the strength of the frame of the Dan Wesson pistol.Due to their tensioned barrel system, these revolvers are capable of great accuracy. The tensioned barrel system consists of a cylindric barrel that screws into the frame, with a barrel shroud that is then fitted over the barrel. This shroud is attached to the muzzle end of the barrel by a thin nut that is inside threaded. The guns come packed with the special wrench needed to use this system, so if you buy a used gun, make sure you get the wrench as well. When the system is tightened up, the inner barrel is under tension, while the shroud is under compression. This tensioned barrel system also allows the cylinder gap to be adjusted. For those of you that shoot very high intensity cartridges, like the 357 Maximum, this shrouded barrel system allows the inexpensive (about $80) replacement of the barrel. Also, this barrel system allows you to change the barrel length to suit the circumstances, you can use the same gun with a 2" barrel for carry and a 12" barrel for hunting. There are also barrel assemblies available that have a built in compensator. At one time, the revolvers were offered with a vented barrel and shroud, in theory venting some of the propellant gases through holes in the inner barrel and two vents on the top of the shroud located about 3/4" back from the muzzle. This venting system was not very efficient, and more importantly, it tended to build up lead, copper, and general crud inside the shroud. This made removal of the barrel assembly difficult.Barrel-shroud assemblies are available in 2,4,6,8,12,15". The compensated barrel assemblies run about 1" longer. In 1994, the Dan Wesson revolver became available in a conventional fixed barrel version, at slightly less cost. These fixed barrel guns were an attempt to compete with the big boys (S&W, Ruger, Tarus) for the vanilla gun buyer. These fixed barrel guns will not be reintroduced by the NYI company.Since the Dan Wesson revolver uses a trigger transfer bar safety that is very similar if not identical to that used by the Rugers, you can expect to end up with a post-trigger job trigger on par with the post-trigger job trigger you would get on a Ruger. It will not be the 'glass-rod' clean break of the S&W revolvers, but it will suffice for all but the most critical.The quality control on these revolvers has been off-and-on very bad. The new company is quite well aware that quality is the criteria that they will live or die by. As a consequence the price of the new production guns will be slightly higher, and the emphasis will be on the unique products (the Supermag calibers). A small company can't hope to compete with the likes of Ruger and Smith & Wesson, and will go bankrupt if they try.One thing to keep in mind when considering the purchase of a large frame double action revolver: your choices are among the group of Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Tarus, Colt, and Dan Wesson for guns in the 'reasonable' price class. (yes, you can buy a Casull or a Korth, but if you can afford these guns, you probably aren't reading this FAQ for anything other than amusement) The Dan Wesson is probably in the same price class as the Taurus, but it's as strong as the Rugers, and as accurate if not more so than the S&W. The New Dan Wesson Company is Alive and Well!!One Gun Many variations Throughout the years, the Dan Wesson series of revolvers has retained a loyal, and dedicated following. This despite the rising and falling tides of the company, the difficulty of supply, and uncertainty over parts, and some years of rather uneven quality. Through it all, these have retained their popularity, because they remain the most versatile, accurate revolvers made. Innovation, and versatility have become the hallmark of the Dan Wesson company. I have, over the years, owned a number of these ground breaking revolvers. In an era in which the cutting edge of handgun development is assumed to be well centered within the realm of the automatic pistol, Dan Wesson saw a future in innovation of the revolver. The most striking feature of the gun is the capability of changing barrel length, by the use of an ingenious system of interchangeable barrels and shrouds. While there are other unique qualities to the Dan Wesson series, the fame of the system rests on the barrels. Even so, many if not most, Dan Wesson owners stick to a single barrel length, and often can not even recall the location of the tool used to change the barrel. In many cases it is the great accuracy, and light trigger pull which attracts buyers. These are some of the most accurate handguns in the world, and may very well be the most accurate repeating handguns ever made. They have also been constructed with very light, very simple actions, and the interchangeable barrel feature, for which they are best known. It doesn't hurt that the guns are very handsome, since the redesign. There is an almost pythonesqe look to the ribbed, and underlugged barrel. The deep blue is almost black, and has a mirror finish. The gun shown above is the 22 version of the Dan Wesson medium frame revolver. One of the many innovations that the Dan Wesson company has made, is in the variety of calibers which are offered. Dan Wessons are (or have been) offered in .22, .22 Magnum, 32 H&R Magnum, 38/357, 41 magnum, 44 Magnum, 45 Rowland, 45 Long Colt, 445 Magnum, 357 Maximum, 44 Maximum, 32-20, 414, and 378. There are probably others, and special models with special chamberings have been offered to silhouette shooters, through various organization. In many cases, these chamberings can only be found in a Dan Wesson, or a Thompson Contender. A few were tried by other revolver manufacturers, but abandoned (like the max cartridges). The interchangeable barrels, give the shooter an opportunity to have, what is in essence, an entire revolver collection, in a variety of barrel lengths, while only needing to purchase a single gun. While this is certainly an economical way to own, what is functionally, an entire range of handguns at a considerable savings in cost, the system has even more significant advantages for some gun owners, in some legislative environments. For people in some parts of the world, and even in some parts of the United States, gun ownership is fraught with obstacles and restrictions. People in these places can be limited in the number of firearms they may own, or in the number they can purchase during a given time period. There may also be licensing requirements, including fees (which can be quite high, in some places), for each gun owned. For some gun owners in these places, the option of owning a complete set of revolvers, in various barrel lengths, is not an option, even if finances are no problem. Even for the gun owner not so burdened, there might be a desire to have a full set of barrels, to extract the maximum utility and versatility from the gun, or simply to have a "complete" set. In acknowledgment of this, Dan Wesson Arms has always offered sets, generally called either Pistol Packs, or Hunter Packs. The Pistol pack contains a Dan Wesson frame, along with a selection of barrels (21/2", 4", 6", and 8" for the medium frame model), the changing tool, a grip selection, a variety of interchangeable sights, and a vanity item such as a belt buckle or patch. The whole collection is packed in a fitted case. These have been offered in a variety of finishes, barrel styles, and calibers. The Pistol Pack shown here is representative of these guns during their greatest popularity, around the late seventies/early eighties. This was the Model 15-2 in .357 Magnum, the most popular of the series.The interchangeable barrels = unparalleled accuracy The Dan Wessons are still unique, in being the only production revolvers with user interchangeable barrels. These barrels are available in lengths from 2" up to 15" (current production only goes to 8"). They have been produced with three different styles of shrouds: Standard, Vent, Heavy, and Vent Heavy (current production is vent heavy, vent, and slotted). An unforeseen benefit of this system was that it produces superb accuracy. The way it works is that the barrel is a threaded tube which fits into a shroud. Both ends of the rifled tube are threaded so that one end screws into the front of the frame while the other end is tightened against the end of the shroud with a recessed nut. An unforeseen result of this system is that the barrel tube is pulled tightly and put under tension. This barrel tube under tension is tuned like the string of a guitar to always vibrate the same way when fired. The guns swept long range pistol matches after their widespread adoption in the seventies, and continue to do so today. They could (and still can) out shoot any revolver or semiauto at distance. The only real competition for the Dan Wessons comes from single shot or bolt action pistols chambered for rifle cartridges, all of which are larger, heavier, harder to shoot, and have a much slower rate of fire. Some barrel units (shroud, nut, and barrel tube) are shown below. To demonstrate the design, I have inserted the tubes into the shrouds, in some cases. This is for illustration purposes only. In practice, the tube, with the barrel nut removed, would first be screwed into the frame. A feeler gauge is set between the barrel, and the cylinder, and the tube is tightened until it is snug with the feeler gauge, thus setting the barrel cylinder gap. The feeler gauge is then removed. Once the barrel tube is properly in place, the shroud is fitted over it, and aligned with the frame by use of an index pin on the frame, and a matching index hole in the shroud. After the shroud is fitted, the barrel nut is placed on the end of the barrel, and snugged down, using a special tool provided with the gun. The sights will then have to be adjusted, making the pistol ready to fire. The whole procedure, except for the setting of the sights, can be done in a few minutes. The systems approach The systems approach extends beyond the innovative interchangeable barrels. The Dan Wessons use a particularly modular design, which results in an unusually small number of rather simple parts. The gun is powered by stainless steel coil springs, and the frame, grip, and other parts (other than the barrels) are held on by Allen screws. One of the benefits of this, is that all of these revolvers have dispensed with the traditional butt on the frame. The venerable leaf spring in the butt, which has been powering revolvers for well over a century, is not used in the Dan Wessons. The grips are held to the frame via a small nub, or socket, which is threaded, and sticks out of the back of the frame. This permits the designers great latitude in the configuration of the grip panels. Really, a grip of any size or shape may be hung off of the bottom of the frame, and some Dan Wesson pistol packs came with grip blanks, which could be carved into any shape the owner wished. The internal parts are simple, robust, and multifunctional. Compared to the intricate clockwork of parts making up the internal mechanism of traditional revolvers, the Dan Wesson seems quite basic. The simplicity of the action gives it an almost unrivaled sturdiness. There is little to go wrong, and the action lacks the maddening collection of small springs, and levers which festoon the more traditional revolver designs. The action was designed, like the interchangeable barrel system, by Karl Lewis, and patterned after that of the Trooper which he had previously designed for colt. One allowance which has to be made for the new, simplified action, is in the placement of the cylinder latch. The latch on the Dan Wesson is located on the crane, rather than in the more traditional spot on the frame behind the cylinder. The cylinder is held at the rear, by a spring loaded ball bearing, while at the front it is held by the locking of the crane to the forward area of the frame. Colt, S&W, Ruger, and virtually every other revolver maker, use a latch on the frame which locks the cylinder at the rear. The S&W revolvers also lock at the front section of the ejector shroud, via a small pin which runs up the inside of the ejector itself. The only other action, of which I am aware, which locks at the crane, is that of the massive Taurus Raging Bull, in 454 Cassul, and 44 Magnum. Dan Wesson Torturous history Karl R. Lewis is the actual inventor of the basic lock mechanism of these guns, and also came up with the unique barrel system. He is probably one of the great unsung geniuses of the firearms world, possibly the equal John M Browning (like Browning, he was self trained, having had no schooling in engineering, or firearms design), and easily the equal of Stoner, and Kalishnikov. He had initially offered the idea of an interchangeable barrel revolver to the Browning company, while he was busy designing the BLR for them, but they turned it down on the grounds that they did not wish to move into revolver production. Some years later, he showed his design to Daniel Wesson, with whom he entered into partnership in 1968. The first guns hit the market sometime in 1970. A small but interesting tribute to Karl Lewis, enumerating many of his innovative designs, is maintained by his son, at this site. The meeting was fortuitous for both men. Dan Wesson was looking for a way out of the company his grandfather, Daniel B Wesson had co-founded, a century before. S&W had been bought in 1965 by Bangor Punta, a Brazilian concern, which would later divest itself of S&W, and it's Brazilian production facilities (which would later become Taurus). The new conglomerate was bottom line focused, and did not have the type of dedication to gun making for which Dan Wesson could have wished. So with Dan Wesson's famous name, and dedication to quality, and Karl Lewis' groundbreaking revolver design, the two men introduced the first new concept in revolvers in nearly a century. The new company initially had no production facilities. Production of the early guns was contracted out to the High Standard company. Eventually, Dan Wesson moved to it's own facilities located in a converted public school, located in Monsoon Massachusetts. This was a modern facility, for it's day, and was able to produce high quality firearms at a relatively low cost. The shop was also owned and run by gun enthusiasts, and was small enough that innovation, and variety were fairly easy to accomplish. High Standard continued to produce the design under it's own name for a time. The High Standard revolver had the styling, including the crane mounted cylinder latch, and the lockwork of the Dan Wessons, but without the interchangeable barrel feature. A large framed revolver was latter produced by High Standard, under the name of the Crusader. Though it's styling was quite different, the lockwork showed some of the influence of the Dan Wesson series. Unfortunately the company had undergone many changes including the death of it's founder, in 1978, and the death of Karl Lewis. It's financial fortunes have also risen and fallen. The company went under in 1989, but was brought back on line, in 1990. The new company was set up in Palmer MA, by Dan Wesson's son Seth, but was only able to stay in business for four years. By this time, the tooling, and machines were getting old and worn, the quality was going down, and the demand was slackened by the unpredictability of production, and uncertainty as to the longevity of the company. Many who had heard of the closing of the Monsoon plant, were unaware that the company was back. I feel the need here, to clarify a few things, about the Palmer guns. These were not bad guns; but are considered to be somewhat less desirable, by the Dan Wesson faithful. The reason for this is a simple one - quality control. Anyone who works in manufacturing knows that a certain number of lemons are made by every factory, no matter how good the workers and machinery may be. It is the job of the quality control people to see to it that these do not make it out of the factory. When the new company opened its doors in Palmer, it was facing a number of difficulties, not the least of which was a soft market for revolvers. There were also financial problems, which made company managers look for new ways to save money. In some cases this meant cutting corners. the worst corner cut was that of quality control. So while the Palmer Dan Wessons were as well made as anything that had come out of Monsoon, some guns got on dealers shelves, that should never have been allowed to leave the factory. The two most common complaints were rough chambers, and barrel liners that were not perfectly squared. Both can be easily fixed; but this is not something that should be required of a new gun. This hurt the company pretty badly, all out of proportion to the small number of bad guns that got onto the market; but it was enough. The Palmer guns quickly developed a reputation for poor quality that remains to this day. The reasons for the companies problems are the flip side to the innovative design of their guns. Gun enthusiasts can be a very conservative lot and can be very wary of "gimmicks". This was one of the reasons for the slow initial acceptance of the now highly regarded Glock line of pistols. Unlike Glock, Dan Wesson had no government orders to keep his company alive while he waited for a retail market to develop. Besides a natural wariness of untried innovations, there is also the matter of the touchiness of the guns, which is addressed in the section below. It also turns out that the interchangeable barrels did not give the gun the easy versatility that was originally envisioned. The problem was that, after switching barrels the guns often had to be re zeroed, and the cylinder barrel gap had to be reset. This had to be done at each change, and required a fair amount of effort, time, and ability. These factors tended to narrow the market for these fine, but somewhat demanding guns. These fine revolvers are only in limited production today, and I have not seen a new Dan Wesson in a gun shop in ages. The new Dan Wesson Company began production in 1997, and ended in 2008, though occasional, limited runs are promised. The new revolvers are rather expensive, but the quality is very high, and the new owners seemed very serious about staying in for the long haul. In acknowledgment of this, they have completely retooled, and modernized the factory. The old Dan Wesson plant and tooling were judged to be beyond salvage, and a new plant was set up, with new CNC production stations, and laser engraving units, in Norwich New York. The single most encouraging thing about the new company was that, once again, Dan Wesson was under the charge of a single individual. Bob Serva owned the new works, continues to run them, for CZ, and seems genuinely enthusiastic about his product. The new company was very much dedicated to innovation, in the spirit of the original works at Monsoon. New products, calibers, finishes, and accessories came out with such frequency that it is beyond the scope of this little essay to track them. Interested parties should check out the Dan Wesson Firearms website. One new area that the company moved into was the production of 1911 pattern pistols (the Pointman series), and also of bolt action rimfire rifles (the Coyote - now discontinued). All of the reviews, and reports of the new Dan Wesson product line have been favorable. While many firearms producers are running for cover, coming out with new politically correct firearms, pandering to the anti-guners, and pursuing the police, and government markets, the new Dan Wesson company has been very pro Second Amendment. They are not ashamed of being gunmakers, apologetic about the fact that civilians own (and sometimes use) their products, or patronizing of their customer base. Unlike some other firearms companies (Colt, and Ruger both come to mind), the Dan Wesson company appears to have no doubts or confusion about what business it was in. The Dan Wesson company is now owned by the huge CZ firearms conglomerate. This company is well known for it's line of 9mm, and 40S&W semi auto pistols, and is essentially the old Czech BRNO state gun works, gone private. The company began to grow in leaps and bounds, a decade or two ago, after the fall of the Soviets. Having gone private, CZ now has an extensive consumer line of rifles, and pistols. Though it initially seemed that CZ had no interest in revolver production, this rumor, which I am sorry to say that I helped to spread, turns out to be false, at least at first. Unfortunately, a look at the initial CZ/Dan Wesson website gave a fair amount of information about the Pointman series, but made no mention of any sort of revolver line. This gave the misleading impression that the revolver line had seen it's final glory. Still, production today will be limited to a custom shop, in the manner of Colt, or of some of the special offerings of S&W. It is hoped that alliance with the comparatively large CZ company will increase the market, and the resources available to the Dan Wesson company, which had until then been going it alone in competition with relative giants of the industry. S&W, Colt, Walther, Winchester, Remington, and Savage are all well over a century old. Ruger, High Standard, and Springfield Armory have been in constant operation for decades. Beretta has been around since it began to manufacture canon barrels in the sixteen hundreds. All of these companies have well established dealer and distribution networks. Dan Wesson, on the other hand, has been in business for a bit over thirty years, and in it's present incarnation had only existed independently for about the eight. The new alliance should help the company to compete on a more even footing with the larger companies.Some Basic Misunderstandings, and personal experiences. I recall, back in the late seventies, and early eighties, being warned away from the Dan Wesson series of revolvers, by most of my more knowledgeable shooting partners. I was informed that the guns were crude, had lousy trigger pulls, were prone to breakdowns, and were ugly to boot. Still, despite these criticisms, I could not help noticing that the Dan Wesson guns were consistently the top guns in silhouette competitions, and were used by all of the top competitors. So, ignoring the well intentioned advice of my shooting buddies, I went out and bought a model 15, medium framed revolver with a 6" VH barrel, back in 1981. I loved the gun, and the only regret I had, was when one of the financial upheavals of the early eighties forced me to have to sell it. Still, the warnings of my friends were not completely without merit. In response to the exceptional ugliness ( a matter of taste; certainly there are some who thought their guns lovely) of the early guns, the Dan Wesson company drastically redesigned it's line in the late seventies. The early guns, before the Model 14, had an odd unfinished look to them, as if they had been put together in someone's basement, and the builder, gone off on some new project, would soon come back to complete construction. The main cause of this unsightliness was centered around the mechanism of the interchangeable barrels. The nut at the end of the barrel, used to hold barrel, and shroud together, hung off the end of the muzzle like some sort of an afterthought. This made the guns appear remarkably like one of those zip guns you sometimes see in prison exposé's. The barrel shroud itself had an odd looking extension protruding from the bottom. This was used to index the shroud to the frame, but it looked rather odd. Lastly, was the molded in shroud for the rear sight. It made the frame look humpbacked, and seems as if it might interfere with the mounting of a new rear sight. Taken together, these things made the gun awkward looking. All of these cosmetic deficiencies were changed. The barrel shroud now indexes using a frame mounted pin and an index hole in the underbarrel lug. The barrel nut is now recessed inside of the barrel shroud, which gives a much cleaner look, but now requires a special tool to remove and install. It is also claimed, that the early guns, with their shroud extensions, retained their point of aim better after barrel replacement, and did not need to have the sights adjusted. So much for the vanity of gun owners. Though the Dan Wesson series of revolvers were reliable enough, they did require a bit more attention than most shooters were used to having to give their guns. Once again, the problem centered around the unique, interchangeable barrels. The barrel cylinder gap of a revolver is a very precise adjustment. In the Dan Wesson, this adjustment is set when screwing in the barrel. As a result of this, the barrel cylinder gap of a Dan Wesson can change over time, and should be periodically checked with a gauge which is provided with the pistol. This is not a problem for competitive shooters who are used to codling their guns, but it is more maintenance than the average shooter cares to favor his gun with. Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Colt, and virtually all other revolver makers, either pin, crush, or braze the barrels of their revolvers, into the frames. These methods make barrel replacement on these guns very difficult, of not impossible. The screw in barrels of the Dan Wessons are different. Unlike the barrels of most revolvers, those of the Dan Wessons can, and do, work loose. This is not to say that they are in danger of falling off of the pistol, but they loosen to the extent that the barrel cylinder gap can change. This can adversely affect the accuracy of the gun, reduce velocity, and cause the gun to shave the bullets. A gap which is too tight will cause the cylinder to bind against the barrel, freezing up the action, and possibly locking the gun so that it must be disassembled. A gap which is too loose will reduce velocity, and accuracy. A barrel nut which is not properly tightened, or has been shot loose, can allow the barrel to sag, or twist in the frame. This destroys accuracy, and may even damage the barrel over time. In an ordinary pistol, such things mean an expensive trip to the gun smith for barrel replacement, action tuning, or frame straightening. With the Dan Wesson, the matter is taken care of by simply inserting the gauge provided with these guns, and tightening up the barrel. Unfortunately, many gun owners did not bother to acquaint themselves with the special needs of these pistols, and simply passed these "failures" off as the result of a poor design, or poor construction. Because of this, these fine pistols earned an undeserved bad reputation, for many years. The solution to this problem is owner awareness. Unfortunately, owner awareness is not something that can be adjusted at the factory. Dan Wesson owners need to get into the habit of occasionally checking the gap, using the tool provided, and of verifying the tightness of the barrel nut. These things take only a minute or two, and need not be done for months. I check mine, maybe once or twice a year. The trigger pull of the Dan Wesson, if you are an aficionado of such things, is a bit strange. Some shooters don't seem to notice, while others seem to love it. I suppose it is an acquired taste, for those of us weaned on the old S&W K and N frame revolvers; many never quite get used to it. The double action pull is very light, though the weight of pull seems to change through the trigger arc. It reminds me of the pull on the Ruger Redhawk series of guns. What seems to disturb most shooters is the arc of the hammer. It is shorter than that of the standard S&W, and cocking a Dan Wesson for the first time feels a bit odd. This is probably the shortest action of any revolver. Though you would expect such an action to generate a heavy trigger pull, the pull remains very light. This is a matter of personal taste, and the top scores earned by competitors using these guns, is proof enough that the trigger can be mastered. I suspect it is more a matter of what one is used to, and that shooters weaned on the Dan Wesson, might find transition to the trigger of a classic S&W revolver strange. As much as I enjoy my S&W revolver collection, the Dan Wessons are my favorites. I consider these to be the ultimate revolvers.How to Change a Dan Wesson Barrel Barrels in the dan Wesson are fairly easily changed. There are only two special tools required. The first is a barrel wrench which engages two notches in the barrel nut at the muzzle. The second is a feeler gauge, a sort of shim, which goes between the barrel and cylinder to set the gap. There are three types of barrel wrenches. The first is designed for the original pistols with the exposed barrel nut. it is essentially a hex wrench. The other two are designed for the new style with the recessed barrel nut. Current production barrel wrenches bear a resemblance to a door knob, while the older style looks a bit like an old time cork screw. The whole procedure is pretty simple, and only takes five minutes. Because I wanted to show some details, I may have made the process seem more time consuming than it actually is. In order to change a Dan Wesson barrel, you will need a barrel wrench, and a gap tool. You will only need one wrench. Of the two shown in this photo, one is for the 22, and the other is for the 357. The feeler gauge is the sliver of metal shown to the right of the photo. It is .006". the Dan Wesson company emphasizes that you must use the feeler gauge when changing barrels. The barrel tool also doubles as a sight tool. I now have a 22 snub nose (with, admittedly, overly large grips) where I had formerly possessed a 22 target revolver with a six inch barrel. The Dan Wesson is a wonderful gun, and a remarkable design. The large, hand filling target grips are great for accuracy, but do not do much for the concealability of the pistol, once the shorter barrel is in place. A single screw holds the grips in place, and it is easily removed, using the barrel tool. The two inch Dan Wesson, awaiting a more appropriately sized set of grips. Here is everything needed to change the grips. Note that these are all one piece grips, held in place with a single screw, shown below the frame. After sliding the new grips over the nub at the bottom of the frame, the grips screw is slid in place, and then tightened with the barrel tool (also known, appropriately enough, as the combination tool). The new grips, make the little two inch gun a bit easier to conceal, and more streamlined. They also are better proportioned to the shorter barrel.The Dan Wesson and the Smith and Wesson The Dan Wesson revolver comes in essentially two frame styles. There is the medium, and the large frame. For a short time, the company was offering a pistol called the Lil' Dan, which was a small .38 Special revolver with a short barrel. Presumably the frame was of reduced size and weight, but I have never had my hands on one, and only know what I have read. I believe it only had a five round capacity, but I could be wrong about this. Of the two common Dan Wesson frame sizes the medium frame, is similar in size to that of the Colt Python, and the more recent S&W L frame. This is considered to be a 41 frame, though no company (including Dan Wesson) builds a 41 revolver upon a frame this size. In the case of Dan Wesson, this frame is used as a platform to produce revolvers chambered for the 357, 38, 22, 32, and perhaps some other calibers. This is a larger and heavier frame than the traditional K frame upon which S&W has built the majority of it's service revolvers. The Large Dan Wesson frame is used to produce guns chambered in 44 Magnum, 41 Magnum, and several different 45 calibers. These frames are sized approximately the same as the Ruger Redhawk, making them quite a bit heavier and more robust than the classic N frame from S&W. 44 Magnum From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search This article is about firearm cartridge. For the Japanese heavy metal band, see 44 Magnum (band). .44 Magnum .44 Magnum cartridge Type Handgun/Revolver/Rifle Place of origin United States Production history Designer Elmer Keith/Smith and Wesson Designed 1950s Produced 1955–Present Specifications Parent case .44 Special Bullet diameter .429 in (10.9 mm) Neck diameter .457 in (11.6 mm) Base diameter .457 in (11.6 mm) Rim diameter .514 in (13.1 mm) Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm) Case length 1.285 in (32.6 mm) Overall length 1.61 in (41 mm) Primer type Large pistol Ballistic performance Bullet weight/type Velocity Energy 200 gr (13 g) XPB Lead Free 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) 1,173 ft·lbf (1,590 J) 225 gr (14.6 g) XPB Lead Free 1,500 ft/s (460 m/s) 1,124 ft·lbf (1,524 J) 240 gr (16 g) Bonded JSP* 1,500 ft/s (460 m/s) 1,200 ft·lbf (1,600 J) 320 gr (21 g) WFNGC HC* 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s) 1,201 ft·lbf (1,628 J) 340 gr (22 g) LFN +P+ 1,425 ft/s (434 m/s) 1,533 ft·lbf (2,078 J) Test barrel length: 7.5" (*6.5") Source: DoubleTap[1] Buffalo Bore[2] The .44 Remington Magnum, or simply .44 Magnum, is a large-bore cartridge originally designed for revolvers. After introduction, it was quickly adopted for carbines and rifles. Despite the ".44" designation, all guns chambered for the .44 Magnum case, and its parent case, the .44 Special, use bullets of approximately 0.429in. (10.9 mm) in diameter. The .44 Magnum is based on a lengthened .44 Special case, loaded to higher pressures for greater energy. The .44 Magnum has since been eclipsed in power by the .454 Casull cartridge, and others; nevertheless, it has remained one of the most popular commercial large-bore magnum cartridges.[4][5] When loaded to its maximum and with heavy, deeply penetrating bullets, the .44 Magnum cartridge is suitable for short-range hunting of all North American game—though at the cost of much recoil and muzzle flash, when fired in handguns. In short carbine rifles, recoil and muzzle blast are a non-factor.[6] Origin The .44 Magnum cartridge was the end result of years of tuned handloading of the .44 Special.[7] The .44 Special, and other large-bore handgun cartridges, were being loaded with heavy bullets, pushed at higher than normal velocities for better hunting performance. One of these handloaders was Elmer Keith, a writer and outdoorsman of the 20th Century.[8] Elmer Keith settled on the .44 Special cartridge as the basis for his experimentation, rather than the larger .45 Colt. At the time the selection of .44 caliber projectiles for handloaders was more varied, and the .44 Special case was smaller in diameter than the .45 Colt case. In revolvers of the same size, this meant the .44 caliber revolvers had thicker, and therefore stronger, cylinder walls than the .45. This allowed higher pressures to be used without risk of a burst cylinder.[4] Keith encouraged Smith & Wesson and Remington to produce a commercial version of this new high pressure loading, and revolvers chambered for it. While S&W produced the first prototype revolver chambered in .44 Magnum, the famous Model 29, Sturm, Ruger actually beat S&W to market by several months in 1956 with a .44 Magnum version of the single action Blackhawk revolver. The exact reason for this is unclear. One version says a Ruger employee found a cartridge case marked ".44 Remington Magnum" and took it to Bill Ruger, while another says a Remington employee provided Ruger with early samples of the ammunition. The .44 Magnum case is slightly longer than the .44 Special case, not because of the need for more room for propellant, but to prevent the far higher pressure cartridge from being chambered in older, weaker .44 Special firearms. The .44 Magnum was an immediate success, and the direct descendants of the S&W Model 29 and the .44 Magnum Ruger Blackhawks are still in production, and have been joined by numerous other makes and models of .44 Magnum revolvers and even a few semi-automatic pistols, the first being the gas operated Desert Eagle pistol in 1982. Ruger introduced its first long gun, a semi-automatic carbine chambered for the .44 Magnum, in 1959, and Marlin followed soon after with a lever action model 1894 in .44 Magnum.[5][8] Having a carbine and a handgun chambered in the same caliber is an old tradition; the .44-40 Winchester was introduced by Winchester in a lever action in 1873, and Colt followed in 1878 with a revolver chambered in the same caliber. The .38-40 Winchester and .32-20 Winchester were also available chambered in both carbines and revolvers, allowing the shooter to use one type of ammunition for both firearms. While modern steels and manufacturing techniques have allowed even stronger cylinders, leading to larger and more powerful cartridges such as the .454 Casull and .480 Ruger in revolvers the same size as a .44 Magnum, the .44 Magnum is still considered a top choice today.[6] In 2006, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the .44 Magnum, Ruger introduced a special 50th anniversary Blackhawk revolver, in the "Flattop" style. Technical specifications .44 Magnum Colt Anaconda The .44 Magnum delivers a large, heavy bullet with high velocity for a handgun. In its full-powered form, it produces too much recoil and muzzle blast to be suitable for a police weapon as it makes rapid fire difficult and strenuous on the users' hands; in particular for shooters of smaller build or with small hands. Although marketed as a .44 caliber, the .44 Magnum, and it's earlier .44 Special parent, are actually .429-.430 caliber. The .44 designation, is a carry over from the early measurements of "heeled" bullets, used in the later 19th century. In those times, bullets were measured on the outside of the cartridge, not the inside of the cartridge. After the .44 S&W Russian was developed, the forefather of the .44 Special and thus the .44 Magnum, the measurement of bullet caliber, was taken from inside of the cartridge. Resulting in .429 caliber. Instead of confusing buyers who were used to .44 caliber revolvers, the original .44 designation was kept for market recognition. Some gun styles are more comfortable to use when shooting this caliber. Many shooters find the rounded grip shape of the single action better for handling heavy recoil than the grip shape of double-action revolvers, which have a shoulder on top of the grip. Many shooters, consider the ideal type of grip for heavy recoiling guns to be the longer "Bisley" style single action grip, and it can be found on single actions from Ruger (models marked "Bisley") and Freedom Arms, as well as many custom makers.[13] [edit] Dual-purpose use .44 Magnum Marlin Model 1894 carbine The concept of a dual-purpose handgun/rifle cartridge has been popular since the Old West, with cartridges like the .44-40 Winchester, whose "High-Speed" rifle loadings were precursor magnum loads. Other dual-use rounds were the .32-20 Winchester and the .38-40 Winchester. Some past dual-purpose cartridges, like the .44-40 Winchester, gave their manufacturers trouble when people loaded the "High-Speed" versions designed for rifles into handguns.[5] Since the .44 Magnum was designed from the start as a revolver cartridge, such issues are moot, and SAAMI compliant ammunition should fire from any handguns or rifles chambered for the .44 Magnum. As a rifle or carbine cartridge the .44 Magnum is sufficiently powerful for medium-sized game, yet fits easily into a compact, lightweight package. In 1969, Ruger introduced their .44 Carbine, the first .44 Magnum carbine. The lever-action Marlin Model 1894, Ruger Deerfield, and many other firearms are currently available in this caliber. With significantly longer barrels than revolvers, carbines will generate a significantly higher velocity than a revolver loaded with the same ammunition.[14] Tests with various ammunition in the Ruger Deerfield yielded a 100 yard (90 m) velocity of over 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s) with a 240-grain (16 g) bullet, comparable to the muzzle velocity out of a revolver.[15][16] Loads using slow burning powders maximize performance in both short and long barrels, with one published load generating 1,500 ft/s (460 m/s) from a revolver, and 1,625 ft/s (495 m/s) from a carbine with a 240-grain (16 g) bullet.[17] Suitable game The .44 Magnum is well-suited for game up to brown bear size. With precise shot placement and deep penetrating cartridges it has even been used to take the largest of game, including Cape Buffalo. Publisher Robert E. Petersen took a record setting polar bear with a .44 Magnum.[8][18] It has even been used against elephants with success. In addition to beating the ballistics of the old .44-40 rifle loads, long considered a top deer cartridge,[5] the heavy, flat point bullets typically used in the .44 Magnum have an additional advantage. Tests performed where bullets are shot through light cover, intended to represent twigs and brush, have shown that the high velocity, light weight, thin jacketed, pointed bullets used by most hunting cartridges today are easily deflected by contact with the brush. The ideal bullets for penetrating brush with minimal deflection are heavy, flat point bullets at moderate velocities. Range The accuracy of the .44 Magnum is very good, with models from Colt, Smith & Wesson, and Ruger producing bullet groups of 3 to 4 inches (7.5 to 10 cm) at 50 yards, with most ammunition.[20][21] The limiting factor of the .44 Magnum cartridge is not terminal ballistics. When fired from a 6" revolver, a typically loaded .44 Magnum 240gr bullet, will have more impact energy at 150yds, than a 246gr .44 Special has at the muzzle, when fired from the same weapon. When loaded with a heavy, non-expanding bullet, the .44 Magnum will easily shoot through large game such as elk and even bison,[22] The limiting factor is the bullet's trajectory; the best hunting bullets are heavy, thus, relatively slow, meaning a significant drop-out of trajectory at ranges beyond 100 yards (90 m); with a 50-yard zero, the point of which the "line of sight" and the "bullet trajectory" meet, drop-out at 100 yards is about 2 inches (5 cm), and drop-out at 150 yards (135 m) is more than 8 inches (20 cm); with a 100-yard zero, drop-out at 150 yards is more than 6 inches (15 cm).[23] Experts recommend limiting hunting ranges to 100 yards (90 m) when shooting .44 Magnum cartridges, less if practical accuracy requires it.[15][24] [edit] In popular culture Smith & Wesson Model 29-2 (Clint Eastwood) aiming a .44 Magnum revolver in Dirty Harry While the .44 Magnum was very popular among shooters for many years after its introduction, it did not come to the attention of the general public until 1971, when Clint Eastwood's character "Dirty" Harry Callahan described the .44 Magnum as "the most powerful handgun in the world" in the film Dirty Harry. While this was not strictly true in 1971 (the more powerful .454 Casull was announced in 1959, and was available in custom revolvers),[5] it still caused prices of the Smith & Wesson Model 29 to skyrocket; demand far exceeded supply, and guns were selling for triple the normal retail price. This sudden surge in popularity elevated the .44 Magnum to "magical" levels, spawning a mythos, such as the (false) claim that the .44 Magnum could "stop a car at a hundred yards—put a round right through the engine block"—a claim made by Easy Andy, the gun dealer character in the 1976 film Taxi Driver.[8][25] The .44 Magnum continued to be associated with Dirty Harry's character, including the scene with Eastwood's famous line "Go ahead, make my day" in the 1983 film Sudden Impact. See also * .44 AutoMag * .445 SuperMag .
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Bajee posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191102950 When I say "gently caress your wall of text" you have a tad bit of a problem.
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Cyrano4747 posted:When I say "gently caress your wall of text" you have a tad bit of a problem. G'drat.... QFT here.. Also, the fang-lady and her host of mom-jeans counter-part wearing does nothing to entice me in buying a 1970-1980's revolver... Jeezus, bonus points for whoever cites the wiki articles from the Dan Wesson listing...
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Cheap Bourbon posted:G'drat.... The green text is from these pages: http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIB2b.html , http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index....ic=87282.0;wap2 and what looks like most of this http://www.notpurfect.com/main/dwrev.htm The red text toward the bottom is the entire .44 Magnum Wikipedia article. The large font at the top is the only thing he didn't cut 'n paste wholesale from a "dan wesson" google search. I really don't understand why he didn't just link some pages rather than paste it into one unreadable skyscraper of text. Actually, I'm gonna go with "Because he's an idiot."
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He copy/pastes a load of text into his brass auctions, too.
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weird combination 8mm - check military scope made for 8mm - check weird stock - wtf Remington? - wtf http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191293945
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B4Ctom1 posted:Remington? - wtf The Remington 700 Classic is offered (or was offered, I'm not sure if they do this anymore) in some less common calibers, one caliber for each model year. The 700 was chambered in 7.92x57 in 2004. It's a shame there's so much other stuff lumped in with that rifle because I've been looking for a 2004 rem700 classic myself.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=190350171 I really don't know what to say about this... edit-You know what, this guy is a goldmine of bad listings. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191565455 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191577997 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=190750027 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=190954579 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=190956510 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=191314504 SirGiggleswitch fucked around with this message at Sep 24, 2010 around 13:07 |
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What the gently caress.
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SirGiggleswitch posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=190350171 There are no words. Fake edit: There are words, and all of them are "vomit".
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why is there not a method to report poo poo auctions ?
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Roundboy posted:why is there not a method to report poo poo auctions ? Because then you'd be left with what, 5 auctions?
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In his defense, that fake birth certificate is about three clicks more sophisticated than the rest of his satire. 
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=191577997 posted:No longer importable due to ATF rules. But I can't tell you where it was made. Hey, it's even better than ever. Some dude named Dobber says it was never put on a gun. He says it needs to be drilled in order to be put on a gun. I don't know, could not tell the difference. You'll just have to trust Dobber that it's never been on a gun. I do. You should too. Is this seriously a real thing? There's no "wink, wink. nudge, nudge." about it.
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thermobollocks posted:Is this seriously a real thing? What, the drilled part? MP5 barrels need to have a small channel drilled at the front barrel mount for a retaining pin, kind of like how AR barrels need channels for the pins on a mil-spec front sight.
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Yeah, I don't see what would be illegal there. The guy is making some really lame jokes, but all the stuff he's talking about is legal. Just because import regs have changed and something can't be brought into the US any more doesn't mean it's illegal to own or use. When he says he has no idea where it was made, I'm reading that as him saying he has no idea who the manufacturer was - it could be some reputable machine shop and be a high quality part, it could be a chunk of poo poo churned out on some hillbilly's garage lathe. Buy at your own risk, etc.
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I don't know why, but this made me giggle. Not for it's very heavy-handed and lowbrow racist inbred commentary, but ... because .... I don't know.  Also, Obama sight: I was thinking a ghost ring setup with this as the rear sight: 
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I honestly don't get it. Can someone explain the joke/insult to me? vvv I need that dumbed down even further. The only thing I came up with is "Look! Obama is buddies with Bin Laden and enjoys sitting on a magazine/having something up his rear end"  (Not that I'm saying the average troglodyte is above that or anything, I just feel I'm missing something.)
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Mister Sinewave posted:The only thing I came up with is "Look! Obama is buddies with Bin Laden and enjoys sitting on a magazine/having something up his rear end" That's all I really got out of it, too. It's pretty stupid.
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Reading through his auctions, I got the impression that they were trolling/mocking all the other racist asses that post Obama poo poo.
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BarkingSquirrel posted:Reading through his auctions, I got the impression that they were trolling/mocking all the other racist asses that post Obama poo poo. That's kind of the feeling I got too...even the most retarded "hurr Hussein Obama is a secret muslim from Kenya hurr" idiot is still usually trying to sell something of (nominal) value.
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Pearl grips? Check. 95% coverage engraving? Check. Gold trigger? Check. Blinged out Hi-Power [url]http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=192448098[/url edit: VVVVVVV They don't appear to be the exact same pistol, the photo you have is of one with fixed sights it appears, and the one above has adjustable. But you're completely right saying photography makes a big deal, your photo makes the pistol look 10x better. Harmburger fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2010 around 01:15 |
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Harmburger posted:Pearl grips? Check. I wonder if this is the same pistol (if not it at least appears to be from the same run). It's honestly not that bad, though the engraving isn't perfect. It's surprising how much decent photography can improve how a pistol (or anything really) looks. 
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I kinda like that one on the blue background. I'm no notorious fan of engraving -- I usually think it looks stupid -- but there's something very charming about that one. edit: I think it might look a little cooler with some grip panels of dark, matte wood with a rubbed-oil finish and nice strong grain. edit 2: Pondering it further, I like that Hi-Power because the style of the engraving looks less like Old-West ostentation, as so many engraved guns do, and more like Enlightenment opulence. It's done to just the right extent, neither too much nor too little, and it blends well with the gun that is its host. Furthermore, some combination of the finish and the photography makes it look like silver, which is a metal that looks appropriate when engraved. walrusman fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2010 around 05:15 |
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That is a loving Renaissance HI-Power, you guys are loving peasants. Christ.
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bunnielab posted:That is a loving Renaissance HI-Power, you guys are loving peasants. Christ. Crap is crap, no matter whose tag is on it.
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Faerunner posted:Crap is crap, no matter whose tag is on it. 
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Carbohydrates posted:I like it. Me too. 
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walrusman posted:
 Click here for the full 1200x797 image. Images from http://lundestudio.com/others.html#bhprenaissance-nill which I'm surprised more people aren't familiar with.
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From a milsurper point of view, this gun is everything that is wrong with GB.quote:1937 S/42 (Mauser) P08 Luger 9mm, All Matching, MMH151409RT. Serial # 21xx. Comes with one (1) non-matching magazine. Your poo poo ain't all matching then, asshead. Also, common year and code (for a Luger), the pictures suck hard to the point where you can't really verify that it's all matching (come on, no picture of the firing pin serial? That poo poo is STANDARD given how often those shear off the sear), and it's overpriced to the tune of about $1,000. So, yeah. Crappy pictures, misleading description, priced at almost 2x what it's worth. It's the GB hat trick!
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http://www.armslist.com/posts/57967...ors-ww1-replicaquote:For Sale or Trade: Stoeger American Eagle 9mm Luger Navy (Discontinued Collectors WW1 Replica) First off, aren't Lugers WWII? Second, I think he's asking waaaay too much. Don't actual legitimate Lugers go for $500ish in better shape? Jesus gently caress just lok at how awful that finish is. Third, HOLY poo poo YOU CARRIED A LUGER WTF?
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kuffs posted:http://www.armslist.com/posts/57967...ors-ww1-replica 1) No. "Luger P.08" = Pistol [model 19]08. They served in WWI. 2) Bottom basement, beat-to-poo poo, shooter lugers w/crap bores rarely go sub $600 anymore. Last two Lugers I sold were nice shooter grades and went for ~$900. 3) Yeah, the finish is awful. 4) Yeah, that's stupid. Lugers are really cool, but they're the last loving gun I'd carry. (save for a ruger .22 autoloader  )
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Gewehr 43 posted:4) Yeah, that's stupid. Lugers are really cool, but they're the last loving gun I'd carry. (save for a ruger .22 autoloader Not only is it a Luger, it's a 6" Luger. Oh well, if he's going to wear one out better it's a Stoeger and not a relic.
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Gewehr 43 posted:2) Bottom basement, beat-to-poo poo, shooter lugers w/crap bores rarely go sub $600 anymore. Last two Lugers I sold were nice shooter grades and went for ~$900. Is it feasible to non-destructively replace the barrel on a Luger?
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Sure. The serials will never match, but I believe the luger barrel is just threaded in place. Last one I had done cost me a couple hundred dollars.
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Good to know it's not an Enfield-esque situation where a replacement has an even money shot of destroying the old barrel and a 33% chance of cracking the receiver, or something similarly absurd.
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Gewehr 43 posted:4) Yeah, that's stupid. Lugers are really cool, but they're the last loving gun I'd carry. (save for a ruger .22 autoloader I'm trying to remember the story, but I have a friend whose dad was a bouncer at a club in the '70s or sometime way back, maybe earlier. The man carried a Luger. I always thought wasn't the best gun, but man also dresses like a pimp. The first time I saw him, he pulled up in a Cadillac and stepped out wearing a purple suit and had a gentleman's cane. After that, the idea of him carrying a Luger seemed a little awesome. If the story is true, I assume it was because it was whatever he could find or afford. It reminds me of a late night interview show where some celebrity talked about carrying a Buntline Special down his leg because it was all he could afford.
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