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Miso Beno posted:made out of compressed crap and disappointment. why
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Lord Gaga posted:why Because they're overpriced and low quality? Plus the company that supplies them has no problem breaking federal laws and putting their customers in a position that might land them in jail.
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Miso Beno posted:Because they're overpriced and low quality? Plus the company that supplies them has no problem breaking federal laws and putting their customers in a position that might land them in jail. This doesnt explicitly contain the words "it jams a lot"
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| # ? Nov 9, 2011 06:04 |
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Lord Gaga posted:This doesnt explicitly contain the words "it jams a lot"
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I would murder a man for the ability to eat doughnuts and not gain weight. Does anyone in this thread actually own or has owned a GSG5?
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Lord Gaga posted:I would murder a man for the ability to eat doughnuts and not gain weight. I've handled several. They're airsoft kits with the parts of a 22lr gun inside of them. Nothing about that screams safe to fire, much less reliable. Buy one if you want, just know that you're getting into something that's not necessarily the highest quality. It might be fine for messing around, but why waste the money?
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I've not owned one, a fact I am glad for. I did fire one because a friend bought one. I wasn't able to get off an entire magazine before parts fell from the magazine and never to be found again, that was just the start and within a month it was on the for sale board. Mean while I still got and love my Spikes Tactical upper which shoots a tiny ragged hole at 55 yards. Oh and remember those pictures of GSG's with the chambers that had literally cracked because the barrel is just some piece of airsoft poo poo tubing they probably dug rifling into with a pocket knife?
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GSG-made anything is a waste of money.
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QuarkMartial posted:I've handled several. They're airsoft kits with the parts of a 22lr gun inside of them. Nothing about that screams safe to fire, much less reliable. The sad thing is that they're a shitload of fun when they work. If only they were well-made. 
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No, there aren't very many GSG-5 owners on the board. However there's a reason for that, it's not like we all just randomly hate this fantastic mostly-zinc product!some poor bastard with a GSG-5 posted:Thought it was so dirty it stopped shooting, after a couple hours of cleaning... there it was...  another GSG-5 owner posted:So I've had this since October. Bought it new off a dealer on gunbroker.com. Called ATI and it's out of warranty. Not sure what to do as I'm extremely pissed and this is not something that should happen to a firearm.  Those are the two major types of failures I've seen commonly pop up on forums across the interet but other (and more prevalent) failures include easily-stripped receiver/action screws and trigger pack failures. The design features a cast zinc clamshell receiver and is held together with lots of small screws like a lovely airsoft gun, which gives lots of points of failure when you're dealing with the stresses seen in a real gun. It's like they designed the thing to be juuust heavy enough not to explode (see GSG-5 barrel below compared to a sporter-profile 10/22 barrel) except it often still does anyway  Get a Sig 522, M&P15-22, or dedicated AR upper instead, they're better guns in every regard Professor Awesome fucked around with this message at Nov 9, 2011 around 15:55 |
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Those GSG guns were getting a ton of attention at first because hey, a .22LR MP5 would be fun as tits. I don't think anyone would deny that. The problem is the whole thing is just incredibly shoddy. You can't do the "HK Slap" thing on the bolt, lest you break a piece of the metal off, and like Professor said, it basically blows itself apart.
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GSG guns are basically like someone took the shell of an airsoft rifle and built a zip gun around it. Except a zip gun would probably have more actual steel in it.
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For what it's worth I did see someone who had apparently put thousands of rounds through his GSG-5 and it was fine. His kid loved the thing. Roundboy posted:Yes it will have the rail because of the sku we ordered. I just say careful because when you google around for what other people are using, many have that custom run with no rail and need higher rings vs the run with the rail Pretty sure I'm getting the Tacticool. Just saying.
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Lord Gaga posted:I would murder a man for the ability to eat doughnuts and not gain weight. Are you happy now? Are you happy with what you've done? LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Professor Awesome posted:Oh man. Why would they make the barrel LIGHTER around the chamber?
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I put a couple mags through one and if they either didn't have such a lovely build quality, or they were $60 a piece, I'd get one since it was fun. At $350, though, you can get a .22 that'll last forever.
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I like turtles posted:I put a couple mags through one and if they either didn't have such a lovely build quality, or they were $60 a piece, I'd get one since it was fun. All 22lrs are fun by default when they work.
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Miso Beno posted:All 22lrs are fun by default when they work. I had a picky-rear end S&W 22A with lovely grips/grip angle. It was not fun.
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Lord Gaga posted:This doesnt explicitly contain the words "it jams a lot" Mine was in the shop twice, the second time it spent 3 months there. It stopped feeding entirely about 300 rounds in. When I got it back I put about 3 shots through it before it stopped firing entirely. Cost me $80 to ship it the first time (bought the pistol variant), I made sure to have them give me a label the second. As soon as I got it back I made sure to immediately sell it.
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Since winter is coming in the UP and I NEEDS MAH FIX i'm planning on setting up my CZ455 american with a lux barrel (gently caress yeah hotswaps), rear aperture, and globe front so I can learn indoor competition style in style. Looking at apertures, I've heard the BRNO models are the bee's knees but can't seem to find any for sale. I'd like something receiver-mounted and easily adjusted so I can dick around at longer ranges. Tech sights look like underkill, anschutz match sights like overkill, and CZ's are sold out. Is a williams with target knobs the appropriate go-to? In closing, loving Buy A God Damned CZ455.
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Spime Wrangler posted:Since winter is coming in the UP and I NEEDS MAH FIX i'm planning on setting up my CZ455 american with a lux barrel (gently caress yeah hotswaps), rear aperture, and globe front so I can learn indoor competition style in style. Talk to Denny on RFC I like turtles posted:Denny from RFC - you can email him at ajakubec at the america online email domain.
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Miso Beno posted:All 22lrs are fun by default when they work. This is my problem now. I have a Marlin 60 with tacticlol stock and a sweet tasco scope with 6 lasers, but after cleaning it jams regularly after about 2 tubes of brick ammo wet or dry and after 4 tubes or so of minimags. Also a heritage revolver isn't particularly fun because it takes so long to load and you only get 6 shots. It is also terribly inaccurate. Has been 100% reliable though and .22MAG option is nice. Thanks for the input. I read the OP and a few of the rifles struck my fancy such as the Tec-22, AK-22 and the various AR15 lookalikes. Spending around $300-375 new what can I get that is decent in the same spirit as what the GSG5 should be: -Reliably shoots .22LR brick ammo -Provides the aesthetic of a larger caliber rifle or sub machine gun -Magazine fed -Is cool Bonus points if it is on this list because I was planning on trading some stuff in for the gun at a pawn shop I like to use: http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx Lord Gaga fucked around with this message at Nov 9, 2011 around 21:08 |
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Lord Gaga posted:This is my problem now. I have a Marlin 60 with tacticlol stock and a sweet tasco scope with 6 lasers, but after cleaning it jams regularly after about 2 tubes of brick ammo wet or dry and after 4 tubes or so of minimags.  .
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Lord Gaga posted:I read the OP and a few of the rifles struck my fancy such as the Tec-22, AK-22 and the various AR15 lookalikes. Spending around $300-375 new what can I get that is decent in the same spirit as what the GSG5 should be: If the "AK-22" is the one made by ATI, I'd not expect much difference from the GSG-5 other than looks. Oh, and wood<?> furniture. Make sure you don't end up with the AR/AK "clones" made by Armscor - the M-1600 is especially deformed-looking. Don't know how they run, but they're cheap - both in price and (I suspect) quality. If you haunt Gunbroker/classifieds threads, you might be able to get a WASR-22 - Century Arms-built, it's a real AK except for a modified top cover, bolt (no gas piston), barrel, safety and mag. They're out-of-production for some time now, and good luck finding parts other than mags (Black Dog Machien makes good 28-round ones, they come with a shorty 10-round one stock). The extractor is the major issue - it takes some careful tweaking to run reliably, and if you break it, you'd have to get one made. However, it's otherwise an AK. Century even made RPK versions (still the shorty mag, but long barrel and bipod IIRC, possibly a clubfoot stock). There's another .22 AK that looks startlingly similar, came out fairly recently - I want to say it was at AIM or something - but I couldn't find any real details at the time. I'd personally get a Sig 522, because I like the looks better than an AR. However, it's got much less of a Barbie aftermarket than the AR, or the AK for that matter. You can also get a 10/22 stock or pre-tactilol'd, and if you *really* want to pimp it up you can get aftermarket kits to look more like an MG-42, Thompson, or (IIRC) a M-249. (I want to say someone was doing an M40A Pulse Rifle kit, but I don't remember for sure.) The rifle itself is not that expensive, but the dressup kits can be.
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There's also the "Krinker Plinker" kit for 10/22s.
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Little crosspost from the 10-22 thread... how is the quality of those m1 carbine stocks? they seem to vary, but only because of different places making them.
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I like turtles posted:Talk to Denny on RFC Awesome, thanks.
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What about the various Mossberg 715T .22LR rifles? At $450, the S&W M&P .22LR is omore than I want to spend. But the Mossberg 715T is only $270.
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If your only requirement is "probably won't disintegrate after 5000rds" and "vaguely AR-15 shaped" then the 715T is alright I guess. However, if you look closely it is nothing more than a 702 Plinkster action in a different stock with no parts interchangeable with a real AR-15, aside from whatever you can mount on the rails. The 15-22s and 522s at least share the same controls as their fullsize counterparts and appear to be higher quality guns.
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Lord Gaga posted:What about the various Mossberg 715T .22LR rifles? At $450, the S&W M&P .22LR is omore than I want to spend. But the Mossberg 715T is only $270. You're overpaying at $450: http://www.jetguns.com/sw-mp1522-22...d-a1-p-850.html
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charliebravo77 posted:If your only requirement is "probably won't disintegrate after 5000rds" and "vaguely AR-15 shaped" then the 715T is alright I guess. However, if you look closely it is nothing more than a 702 Plinkster action in a different stock with no parts interchangeable with a real AR-15, aside from whatever you can mount on the rails. The 15-22s and 522s at least share the same controls as their fullsize counterparts and appear to be higher quality guns. Wait you can't even change the pistol grip on it?
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Miso Beno posted:Wait you can't even change the pistol grip on it? Nope, if you look closely at it the entire "lower" is one piece of molded plastic. I'm not even sure the "upper" and "lower" can be separated. 
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charliebravo77 posted:Nope, if you look closely at it the entire "lower" is one piece of molded plastic. I'm not even sure the "upper" and "lower" can be separated. Wow that looks surprisingly lovely. At least there's a sort of ok gun underneath all of that crap.
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Better picture here http://www.mossberg.com/images/Moss...0/New/37204.jpg
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charliebravo77 posted:Better picture here http://www.mossberg.com/images/Moss...0/New/37204.jpg Eeeew, it's as if someone asked the designer to just draw an AR-15 from memory or something.
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Hey, it's still better than... whatever the gently caress this is: 
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Squires Bingham!
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charliebravo77 posted:Better picture here [rl]http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Guns/930/New/37204.jpg[/url]
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TACTICAL SANDALS posted:Hey, it's still better than... whatever the gently caress this is: My dad has one of these, and passed it down to me, but I feel too guilty about getting rid of it since it still doesn't really feel like 'my' gun. Oh well. In other news, just bought a CZ-452 Mil Trainer yesterday from someone on Calguns. Pics in 9 days. Super-stoked about having a .22 rifle with non-lovely iron sights by default. Is there any point in asking for sling recommendations, or will most things out there just 'work' for it? M&P15-22 and the SIG 522 were tempting, but I figure it's cheaper for me to just throw Tech Sights and some other crap on my current 10/22 if I want semi-auto magdump tactical fun, since I figure I'll never own a 'real' AR anyway (lol California).
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DeathByDoubleDip posted:Is there any point in asking for sling recommendations, or will most things out there just 'work' for it? If quick detach isn't a necessity but being able to quickly adjust the length is, this is my favorite basic sling. Old Uzi sling + Talon swivels + CZ:  e: actually, looking at CZ's site, I can't tell by the photo if the 452 Mil Trainer has fixed swivels or uses QD studs. Either way, a surplus sling will work. Uncle Caveman fucked around with this message at Nov 11, 2011 around 04:01 |
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Uncle Caveman posted:e: actually, looking at CZ's site, I can't tell by the photo if the 452 Mil Trainer has fixed swivels or uses QD studs. Either way, a surplus sling will work. Every CZ .22 I've ever had has come with fixed swivels installed.
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