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Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Current 1911 conversions

Ceiner (http://www.22lrconversions.com/1911-pg.htm) - $199-249, widebody mags available, customer service = gently caress you sideways. Buy from Brownells for *their* warranty service, not Ceiner's. (Older Kimber and Wilson conversions were Ceiner; Iver Johnson's current ones appear to be, and may also be available as a dedicated .22 1911.)

Kimber (http://www.kimberamerica.com/shop/section.php?xSec=19) $330, see Ceiner regarding older conversions. Also make a dedicated .22 1911.

Advantage Arms (http://www.advantagearms.com/1911conversion_kit.html) - $275-349, widebody mags available (not listed on website, however), Target Model is decently accurate. Last-shot hold-open.

Tactical Solutions (http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc...p?idCategory=29)- $400+, widebody mags available. I've heard it's pretty accurate, but no real info. Last-shot hold-open.

Marvel (http://www.marvelprecision.com/) - $325-429, widebody mags available, accurate as hell (Unit 1).

STI (http://www.stiguns.com/) has one listed ($385), but it's apparently the AA kit, in single- and double-stack. Wilson Combat (http://www.wilsoncombat.com/a_22_conversion.asp) has someone else's kit ($320), but I don't recall who actually makes it.


Older conversions

Colt - Made both kits and dedicated .22 1911s. The original Ace was a floating-chamber design, which tended to lead up and stop floating, but did feel a lot more like a .45. The Ace II was a later attempt, which didn't work nearly as well, and was discontinued fairly quickly. I *believe* they all had last-shot hold-open, but I'm not certain. You'll pay Colt prices - $$$.

Peters Stahl - European import, more target than plinker, and $$.

EAA - European import, and that's about all I know.

Jarvis - Design was sold to TacSol. Uses Colt Ace mags, last-shot hold-open.


Note: most of these do not hold open on an empty mag! Aluminum slides tend to get chewed pretty quickly by the slide stop - Colt used steel slides, and AA has a steel insert for the slide-stop.

Magazines - I believe max capacity (Ceiner) is 15, and that's a singlestack. Some mags will work with other conversions - Marvel uses Colt Ace mags, with the follower modified for no hold-open. Ceiner/Kimber/AA mags are plastic, while Colt/TacSol are metal.

Lots of info here: http://forum.m1911.org/forumdisplay...29d76dd2ff&f=47

A popular non-conversion that does allow *some* similarity to a 1911 is the Ruger 22/45, which gives you the same grip-frame and mag release. Trigger, et cetera, is still a Ruger .22, so your mileage may vary.

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Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Most of the "complaints" about the Heritage .22s are "it's not a Ruger Single Six".

If UPS wasn't such a bunch of slugs, my new .22 rifle would be pimped here already.

Maybe tomorrow.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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The BSA has landed.













The cable for the camera, however, has taken flight; I hope I didn't leave it at the convention, back in mid-February.

In any event, I'll cheat and use the pictures from the auction for now.






It's a BSA International Mk II, a single-shot Martini-action target rifle. The lever coming down the front of the grip moves forward, dropping the shiny-shiny block, and, if a round/brass is in the chamber, the spring-loaded extractor will apparently zip it along that curve 8+ feet. (Guess I better take the rightmost lane.) Big round takedown screw on the right will all the entire action to drop out, allowing a cleaning rod to ride all the way back through that hole drilled in the back of the receiver and along that groove cut in the stock, as seen in picture #2. <koff> Boresnake. <koff> You can also see the minor crack just at the top of the grip, with a matching one on the right side. These *may* have been repaired - injected Krazy-Glue? - but I can't quite tell.

The wood is dented and banged a bit, but otherwise nice, once I get the last of the paper inventory/ID stickers and residue removed. One of those and a bunch of neat markings can be seen in image #3. There are mounting blocks for a scope on the barrel, but they're a bit too long for what I have - what size rings do I need for the scope bells?

All that slime on the sides of the receiver isn't rust, but grease. There's some minor surface rust here and there, but that'll fix easily. Bore is *beautiful*, trigger seems to be set in the sub-1-pound range already (goes down to 6 oz via the internal adjustment screws), and is 14 pounds of "dammit I need a 24-hour range" fun.

It is missing the actual inserts for the front sight - not sure what the one in there is supposed to be, but it's not going to be useful for shooting. Brownell's has a set of 10, I'm gonna call around and see if I can find 'em locally tomorrow morning.

Prime 1950's smallbore match rifle technology, what?

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Ghaaa, I'm still trying to get everything coordinated for taking the BSA out. Did get actual proper targets, yellow-box Eley and CCI Select (looking for Green Tag still), front sight inserts (Brownell's) and a sling... even found the camera tripod for the spotting scope, and my old leather jacket will work for a sausage casing.

If only I could *get out to the drat range*. May end up playing on BLM land, in which case I''ve gotta find a tarp or something due to snow/mud.

<whimper>

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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*Finally* succeeded in getting the BSA to a (non-flame-englulfed nor windstormed) range, and...

... it shoots wonderfully.

I, on the other hand, suck horribly.

50-foot, prone, A-17 target: 79 (out of 100). (First time seriously target shooting since like 1986 or so.) 2 9s, 1 ea 7 & 6, the rest 8s.

50-foot, sitting (cross-legged), A-17: 31. 2 7s, 2 6s, 1 5. (I did shoot twice at one bull, but they both were outside the 5-ring, so it didn't really matter.)

50-foot, standing, A-17: 33 1 9, 1 7, 2 6s and 1 5. (I did lose one off the right edge of the paper, however. GOD DAMMIT.)

There may be some skewing due to ammo changing - sighting-in and the prone I used yellow-box Eley, sitting was CCI Select, and standing was CCI Green tag.

There certainly was skewing due to forgetting to take painkillers for for back; sitting all hunched over did *not* help. (I skipped trying to do spread-legged sitting because the pain was getting bad. Didn't even *try* kneeling, especially with no kneeling roll.)

Off the rest I used for sighting, it happily makes small, ragged holes. With a good bag setup, front and rear, I'd expect one hole near a quarter-inch, at least at 50 feet.

For now, my spine is hosed and I gotta lie down. I can always embarrass myself later with target-scans if there's any call for 'em...

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Oh god, stop me before I buy again... .22 LR lever-actions this time.



Navy Arms Model 1866 Yellowboy Carbine, 19", with Lyman peep sight.



Uberti/Cimmaron 1866 Yellowboy, 24".

All I can say is, screw the Henry Golden Boy if I can get one of these. If I could swing the Cimmaron one in 19", it'd be *awesome*.

Of course, the Navy Arms website seems to be kind of mangled (are they still in business, even?), and neither Uberti nor Cimarron have the .22 listed either. <mutter><grumble>

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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HotCanadianChick posted:

Look at the Marlin 39A. It's the oldest continuously in-production firearm in the world.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firea...e/Golden39A.asp

Annie Oakley used one.

I've looked. I prefer the Mountie over the curved-lever 39A, and actually like the Winchester 9422 over that.

In any event, the Navy Arms one seems pretty affordable, if the bidding doesn't get too horrid, and I'll make a play if it's still reasonable near the end.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Eastern Washington-area goons - .22 is all over, if you get your rear end out of Spokane. Bi-Mart and Double Eagle Pawn (Deer Park) have good stocks, Black Sheep Sporting Goods (Cour d'Alene) has a shitload, and even Cabela's (Stateline) is stocked.

Purchased for my own use a couple of days ago:
Remington Target (green box) - 200 rounds
Aguila Sniper Subsonic - 200 rounds
Aguila Super Colibri - 100 rounds

(Plus some .17HMR and .45)

I did pass up the brick of Eley Sport, as it didn't appear to be target-grade. I also passed up the higher-end Eley target ammo (for now), since I suck horribly at this time and I don't think the $12/50 rounds will be the best way to improve my scores.

Everyone seemed to have stocks of centerfire as well, with Cabela's being the most depleted. $18/50 .45 Blazer Brass isn't awesome, but Black Sheep had cases, while WalMart was telling me that 1 *box* was coming in at a time.

I'm going to try for that Navy Arms Yellowboy, by the way. If I don't win, I may go with my (long-planned) Advantage Arms kit for the 1911, or else something about twice the caliber and non-rimfire... we shall see.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Played with various .22 last night, in both my NSA and my FIE Texas Ranger (Rough Rider, from the pre-Heritage incarnation of the company). The Super Colibris were fun, although they did exhibit a lot of drop out of the BSA. (Well, 29" barrel, so ) Out of the sixgun, it sounded about as loud as bubblewrap popping.

From what I did with the rifle, I'm probably going to stick with the yellowbox Eley for actual serious marksmanship. Although I'll probably pick up at least one box of each of the spendier Eley match-grade stuff to try out as well.

Oh, and I still suck horribly. Gotta practice more...

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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big_dilli posted:

You don't get serious until you get a Remington 37. Got one of those?

That's what I used to use 20+ years back indoor smallbore shooting. I suspect the stock wasn't original; certainly the long "track"-type aluminum rail inset into the wood wasn't.

Might have to get that kind of rail installed on the BSA, to get the handstop closer to where my stubby arms end. That, or mount the handstop in the forend-screw hole...

Let's see if I can find a pic of one military trainer I liked the look of - a French MAS 45.





French-language info: http://www.armeetpassion.com/mas45.html

king of the bongo posted:

Can anyone tell me about these guys and if they are accurate. Half the price of a single six and seems to get good reviews on the regular gun boards.


This is a Hawes Western Sixshooter revolver, in .22 Caliber (these were made in Germany by J.P. Sauer & Sohn). This has a full size frame, three-screw SAA action (4-click) The revolver is tight, indexes correctly, but has holster wear.

I've heard they're solid little shooters, and being full-sized, are good for small-caliber practice for the SASS/cowboy-action crowd. If I found one cheap, I might snag it myself just as a companion to my Texas Ranger.

Has anyone gotten their hands on a Cimarron Plinkerton yet? I keep seeing 'em NIB on Gunbroker for $149, and if it's not total crap (and is full-sized) I might snake one of those.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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lovely pictures of my Texas Ranger:





The unfluted cylinder is .22 Mag, and in my opinion looks better than the original blued one. (Well, blued-like finish on the alloy frame.) The Mag cylinder is not from the original gun, but it was picked up off Gunbroker - it's from a QFI Western Ranger, which, as best I can determine, is another rename of FIE, back in the '80s or so. (Eventually, they started making them entirely stateside, as Heritage.)

I've heard from other owners that the Heritage parts drop right in, in case you can pick up one of these cheap. ($100 or less, I'd say.)

The little tab that's barely visible on the left side of the frame, where the loading gate is on the right side, is the flip-down hammer-block safety. Mine is getting a bit loose, and wants to drop to "loud" via gravity. Might see if I can tighten it up, or maybe just load to five. Two screws, but four distinct clicks.

Size comparison (aka "shittier lighting, and now there's *three* import clones"):



Top is the .22 (duh), middle is my RIA doublestack 1911A2 .45 (full-size, 5" barrel) and bottom is the Llama MiniMax Subcompact .45 (3" barrel).

Maybe I'll get energetic tomorrow and drag the BSA outside for better pics.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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75% rimfire, and 50% .22 - the previously-seen Texas Ranger, the previously-seen BSA, and Savage 93r17 .17HMR (now sighted in yay) and the dreaded RIA doublestack .45. The BSA outweighs all three of the others loaded/combined. (I suspect the RIA fully loaded outweighs the Savage.)

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduc...ctNumber=123558 is a fun toy for .22, although the Super Colibri didn't do much to move 'em at 100 feet. However, they're not recommended for .17HMR.




Oh, and the .22 Mag cylinder ran OK with .22 LR, but the cases were all bulgy and one split near the mouth, so it's not going to be repeated.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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My BSA International Mk II is a monster, at 14 pounds, 44 inches OAL and a 29-inch barrel. Trigger can be adjusted down to 1/2 pound, if I recall correctly. According to the company ads, using match ammo from a machine rest, the rifle "must achieve three consecutive ten-shot groups cutting a 1" circle at 100 yards."

God knows I'm no machine rest, but it does put 'em where I aim... now to work on the aiming part.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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28_days posted:

A shorter barrel will inherently be more accurate due to less/no flex,

Not as I understand it. A short barrel may have less flex, but a longer barrel (especially a bull barrel) allows a longer sighting radius, more power due to containing the propelling explosion longer (and thus giving the projectile enough oomph to make it waaaay out there without being deflected as easily by any breeze) and (badly phrasing here) keeping said projectile under control for a longer time.

If shorter = more accurate, everyone would be running snubbies, subcompacts and 16" carbines. (There's a break-point where "too long" comes in, but that's beyond my knowledge at this time.) Varmint rifles run shorter, heavier barrels as a balance between cost/weight/handling and accuracy, as well as to be less affected by heat build-up. Harmonics of the longer barrel might be an issue, but that's more stuff I don't know about.

As for the CZ452, it's probably a tossup. The Silhouette is made for, as it says, competition shooting, but has to conform to the rules - 4.6 kilos, 30" max barrel length (original factory sporting barrel, if shooting "light rifle")(from the 2005 IMSSA rulebook). I should think they'd both have roughly the same accuracy overall, otherwise, for general use. The Silhouette will allow you to play, if you ever want to try, so I'd give that a little weight.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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BrainGlitch posted:

My wonderful grandfather just gifted to me a beautiful Savage-Anschutz Match 64 rifle. This thing is beautiful and pretty much pristine. I plan to take it out to the range tomorrow while I'm in New Mexico and then fly home with it Sunday. What kind of accuracy/performance should I expect from this baby?

Also pictures forthcoming.

The ads for my BSA International Mk II (circa mid-50s or so) state that it didn't go out the door until it did three consecutive 1-inch ten-round groups (machine rest, match ammo) at 100 yards. Your mileage may vary.

However, this seems promising...



Is it the Savage-Anschutz, or the Anschutz-Savage? From what I remember, the S-A is the US-made one of that partnership, and I vaguely recall that the Kraut guns are more desiable - this may be from Gunbroker blurbs, however. Rimfirecentral.com probably has a shitload of useful info, however.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Yeah, they apparently did both a "titanium" and a nickel model of the anniversary - saw 'em at the last gunshow, running $569.99/589.99 (Ti/Ni). Regular ones were running $530, although there was one (used?) with an additional collapsible stock, 2 extra mags, and a red dot with mount, all for $600.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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More .22 ammo woes - Remington "Target", in a green and blue box. AVOID. Out of the three 50-round boxes I shot off on Sunday, each box gave me two duds, only one of which fired on a second attempt. Also, noise/recoil ran the gamut of "quiet/soft" (about the same as Aquila Sniper SubSonic) all the way to louder/snappier than the Federal or CCI Blazer bulk I was also shooting. Tended more towards the high-velocity feel, but since it was supposed to be standard (and one would assume more consistent in quality given the "Target" name), I was unhappy.

Fun fact: other than some random lost-round pickups out of the dirt, those have been the only duds I've had since I came back to shooting .22.

Also, the Aquila Super Colibri, at... well, more than 50 yards, anyway, not exactly sure how far it was... out of the BSA penetrated some cheapo wood furnishing about a quarter-inch, at best. It'd likely not be lethal at that range, so conduct all your assassinations at point-blank.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Alaan posted:

Any one have any experience using other mags in the Advantage Arms 1911 22 kit? The two I got with it seem reeeal happy to do a bad feed on the last round. This is just with hand cycling right now, but if it's still doing it after firing it I'd like a few more options.

Edit: My gun was listening. After being a whore on and off it did 10 perfect feeds from slide locked back to just shoving two in and hand cycling both through.

Check forums.1911.org, in the Conversions forum there was a sticky about what mags were compatible with what kits. Until I found that that AdArms actually *does* have Para widebody mags (and just doesn't list them on the website), I was thinking or getting one Ceiner widebody to test with. (Certainly cheaper than the $65 Marvel one.)

I've gotta wedge some money aside and finally get my drat conversion...

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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mutt2jeff posted:

What the heck ever happened to Velociter ammo? It used to be the best bang for the buck in target ammo, and it was all over the place. Now I cant find it anywhere.

Obamageddon

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Minor interesting things I've read today:

The oft-reviled Ciener is making a .22 AK conversion, non-full-auto only. "SORRY BUT THE AK47 CONVERSION IS A VERY LIMITED PRODUCTION ITEM! 30 to 120 days or more for delivery may be expected...if you are not willing to wait, do not order one." http://www.22lrconversions.com/ak-pg.htm

Slightly better news: the GSG AK is out there, but doesn't seem to be a thriller, according to the reports I read at Rimfire Central.

Awesome news, if it flies: Black Dog Machine is interested in making parts for WASR-22s... and, if possible, *entire guns*. (Posted by BDM in WASR-22 threads at Rimfire Central.)

If you dig for them, there were actually RPK-22s imported. BDM apparently has 2...

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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The Fed bulk pack worked *very* nicely out of my BSA last time; I liked it more than the CCI bulk, for no apparent reason - might've been a smidge more accurate, but nothing I could quantify. Still livelier than any of the match/target I've tried (except that awful Remington poo poo), but affordable plinkin' stuff.

The plan is to go out Sunday again, and if the weather is decent (IE, not raining and gusting like the last time) I'll try for accuracy and see.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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QuarkMartial posted:

How accurate are the Ceiner conversion kits for 1911s? I'm looking at this which would let me shoot my 1911 more.

Also, what about dry firing? I notice that they don't engage the slide stop on an empty mag, which will inevitably lead to dryfiring at the range at least once or twice.

Ceiners are pretty much plinker-class, as are most cheaper conversions. The $400 Marvel Unit 1 is generally seen as the most accurate. However, if you're not looking for bullseye-match performance, it should do OK. And by buying it from Midway, you can avoid the famed Ceiner "customer service". (Your rear end in a top hat will thank you for it!)

As for hold-open, I know the Advantage Arms units do have that. I forget if the Kimbers do, or the old Colt conversions. I do know that the Marvel, which uses Colt mags, actually removes the hold-open part of the follower.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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The Henry is going to be your entry-level new levergun; if you go used, you can snag various stuff cheaper (or so I see on GunBugger).

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Super Colibri made it out of my BSA just fine, and that's a 29-incher.

It seemed to lose a lot of oomph out at 60 yards, but it certainly left the barrel.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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SouthsideSaint posted:

i would help you kill whoever needed for that amazing gun

A while back I was drooling down my shirt for the 1866 Yellowboy Navy Arms by Uberti .22 - this one is almost as good.

Wa11y posted:

Does any one have any experience with Crickett .22LR rifles? The few I've seen in stores are REALLY tiny, to the point where they'd be great for someone who hasn't hit puberty, but really difficult for anyone to use who's taller that four feet. Are they ALL this short, or do they have any with longer stocks?

I think they're all that short - did you look for the manufacturer's website?

Also, someone who has it handy please post Zergling Minor and his CCW Crickett.

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Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Not so much a side-saddle, but a loading block can be attached to the rifle for competition use. (Of course, now I can't find the BSA-specific stuff I've seen before. Can't remember how it was mounted - I want to say using the big takedown screw, which is BSA/Martini-action-specific.)

Hmm. I'm not sure this would work as well with a bolt-action, through - the bolt itself would pretty much be where the loading block would live...

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Welp, here's video of a shooter with a rifle-mounted block (used for the first few shots, then he goes to the larger, stand-mounted one).

http://www.rifleman.org.uk/images/skirmisher_shoot.wmv

"This clip of the shooter shows a Parker-Hale Quickloader block fitted to the side of the action of the BSA Martini International Mark II used for the detail, which rifle would be eligible for the Post-Veteran Class. However, the Quickloader keeps only ten rounds available and they are very tightly spaced."

Ygolonac
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bo_chrud posted:

I was looking at getting a .22 LR Revolver for general plinking and was wondering if you guys could give me some insight into which brands/models to buy and which not to buy. I was going through gunbroker and noticed the Ruger Single Six was pretty popular, but I saw a large number of cheaper ones from Heritage Arms and was wondering if this is a "get what you pay for scenario." I would, at maximum, consider spending $300. After a brand, I was wondering what a good size of barrel is for general use.

The Heritage is OK, but definitely budget. I have an FIE Texas Ranger, which is the same thing, from back before the company was Heritage/manufacturing the whole thing stateside. The feel between the Single Six and the Texas Ranger is quite obviously tipped towards the Ruger, simply on quality.

The Heritage/FIE/whatever is a decent deal at $100-150ish, but it's mainly a plinker that you won't worry much about. (As opposed to a drop gun like an RG/Rohm - those feel cheap, and I distrust them.) There's a number of older import SAA clones, the quality of which I know not.

Most of the .22 single-actions are actually smaller than a centerfire Colt SAA, and the Bearcat is even smaller than that. One company (I want to say Great Western, but I may be wrong) actually made a full-sized SAA in .22, but those are not common and not cheap. I'm not certain of the size of the Cimmaron Plinkerton, but those are running in the $150 range, last I looked.

Barrel length varies, from.. 3-3.5" or so, I think all the way up to 12. The Ruger and FIE that I have are both 6.5", giving a bit more velocity and sight radius, but at the cost of quicker handling. 4.5-5.5" would be the classic "cowboy" length, and (as best I can tell) balance better.

Heritage also offers "birds'-head" grips, which are supposed to be more comfortable and concealable, I guess - I know they're usually seen on the shorter-barreled guns.

I'd say at least handle both a Single Six and a Heritage, if you can. See which one feels better and/or more comfortable. This also applies to different barrel lengths - if there's a variety to check out, do so, especially if you can test-fire (rent or borrow).

Welp, that should be enough wall o' text for the time being. Hope this helps!

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.22 short will run fine in any .22, as long as you don't end up with a squib. Going the other way (.22 LR in a firearm marked for .22 Short only), that's a Bad Thing. (I've seen a number of old pump rifles (on Gunbroker) that were short-only.)

It is unlikely that it'll cycle any semiauto, and as for feeding from a mag...

Ygolonac
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pulphero posted:

I like my Plinkerton. it is accurate enough to shoot pennies at 8 to 10 yards with a little work. my only complaints are that the chamber are a bit tight and some times don't want to eject spent cases. The grips are thin plastic and cracked on the first outing.

SO, is it a full-size (same as a centerfire SAA) or smaller? I suck at judging things like the from pictures, and I don't recall seeing any real definitive comment anywhere.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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BrainGlitch posted:


Since I don't have a digital camera, here is a picture of somebody else's match 64 with some sort of cool scope and globe sight.



Steal that scope for me, please? That's the "compensation issue" one I need for the BSA. (Since it seems impossible to get the measurements I need to rail my rifle up, and use the Millet one I got a couple months ago.)

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Nov 26, 2007

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Not Nipsy Russell posted:

Also, there's a safety that frankly sucks: it doesn't have a transfer bar like (I think) the Ruger does. It has a rotating bar that blocks the hammer from reaching the firing pin. Unfortunately, the detent that holds it in can get fouled, leading to a safety that either slips off when dry firing (bad), or pops out when firing and gets lost.

Spring for the Ruger. Trust me.
If you're in the Washington state area, I'd be glad to let you try it out for yourself.

Washington State is kind of a big area.

Wait 'til that lovely safety breaks from dryfiring it. Annoying to remove, and leaves odd-looking holes.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Jazzzzz posted:



Isn't that supposed to be orange and grey?

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Oneiros posted:

On an unrelated note, does anyone know if you can get cases like CCI uses for their 50/100 packs of .22 ammo empty? I find them very useful for organizing bulk remmington, winchester, and federal.

Check the trash cans at the range or random rubbish at the shootin' hole. I used to scav them for my match ammo, waaay back when I was doing indoor smallbore regularly.

Ygolonac
Nov 26, 2007

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Fog Tripper posted:

Ammo to test out the 40X this weekend:
My mind was blown that the Wolf was the most



As I recall, the Wolf .22 is actually regarded as pretty good ammo, and is rebranded... SKA? or something, a "name" Euro manufacturer.

Expect the Super Colibri to have significant drop at range - I was seeing quite a bit (can't recall the general amount) out of my BSA at 50 feet indoors. At 60-odd yards outdoors, it was around a foot, based on the one slug I found embedded about 1/8th of an inch in my wood target stand.

You might want to try some Aquila Sniper Sub Sonic - it's a much heavier bullet, and may dislike your rifling rate, but the BSA didn't seem fazed.

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I was seeing a drop of a few inches at 50 feet, so yeah... that does explain why I waqs missing my longer shots, though, as I wasn't holding over anywhere *near* a foot.

I may still have some, but I think I'll save 'em for the sixguns.

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NosmoKing posted:

I want one too!!!

No, it should go to Eastern Washington, where the old fart who first started shooting with single-shot target rifles is - the one who is actually more comfortable single-loading, and only used the mag on his .17HMR *once*.

Besides, it's probably a nice lightweight rifle. Compared to the 14 pounds of British Steel Accuracy.

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Y'all skipped that spoilered text, didn't you?

I pick up AKs and marvel at how airy they feel...

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Don't forget the massively awesome Martini-Henry action match rifle - you too can do 1-inch groups at 100 yards if you're a full-body cyborg conversion with "machine rest" mode.

Plus a Lee-Enfield conversion, and a .22 kit for your FAL, and a Gatling, and a miniature Browning belt-feg MG, and the beehive round for your 40mm launcher, and...

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Secret Ooze posted:

Ive decided to purchase a .22(finally), and would like a rifle in semi-auto. Ive been seriously considering purchasing a GSG-5 to fill that role.

From what Ive read online, the majority of owners really enjoy shooting it and I havent read of any real major problems.

This is a pretty long thread and aside from a blurb in the OP I havent seen much information on the pages Ive scanned over, but I know a few people in TFR own it.

Whats the general consensus? Total piece of poo poo or fun range toy?

I've heard varying experiences, but one thing really overbalances against that now: they're no longer going to be made. ATI vs. HK was decided for the Hun, and what stocks of GSG-5s are out there are all there'll be. Good luck on parts... this also jacks up the pricing as well.

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