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Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

Loucks posted:

trucking companies will never, ever give the slightest drat about a trucker's well-being.

This is unfair. There are many owners and companies that are led by people that started off as drivers.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 14:33

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# ? May 26, 2013 00:42

Galler: Jan 27, 2008; AJs with an Iron Fist.

...and then went "gently caress you, got mine." at the first available opportunity

# ? Aug 19, 2012 15:32

jonathan: Jul 3, 2005

Suqit posted:

This is unfair. There are many owners and companies that are led by people that started off as drivers.

Those are the worst. Obviously there are exceptions, perhaps such as yourself, but often you get the "I used to do 36 hours with no sleep" bullshit stories from them and they act like any issue is no issue since trucking was way harder back in the day or whatever.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 17:08

Two Ton 21: Dec 6, 2009; Smurfs don't lay eggs!

Suqit posted:

This is unfair. There are many owners and companies that are led by people that started off as drivers.

Suqit posted:

Can you please tell me a little bit about this? I was just considering implementing something like this but I'd like some ideas.

Suqit posted:

I meant about the anti idling incentive program.

Post Rate 19.48 per day
Last Post Aug 19, 2012 14:33
Location: San Antonio

Aren't you kinda proving a point? If you don't want to have your drivers idle in San Antonio Texas?

# ? Aug 19, 2012 17:25

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

jonathan posted:

Those are the worst. Obviously there are exceptions, perhaps such as yourself, but often you get the "I used to do 36 hours with no sleep" bullshit stories from them and they act like any issue is no issue since trucking was way harder back in the day or whatever.

I would still rather see the guy who was a trucker become manager than the guy who was an accountant.

Also, i had the pleasure of talking to an international dealer. He said by december you'll be able to buy a cummins engine in an international truck, and by early next year the navistar engines are going to use the cummins hot piss injection.

So cat builds an engine that meets EPA 2007, it sucks, they turn to navistar and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try", navistar takes it and then tries to meet EPA 2010, it sucks, then turn to cummins and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try".

Meanwhile there are brand new trucks with less than 100,000kms sitting around without engines because cummins' own 2010 EPA engines are blowing the gently caress up left and right. The volvo/mack solution takes up almost the entire side of the truck, and detroit's system goes through diesel/urea almost as fast as the engine itself.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 20:35

kastein: Aug 31, 2011; IF I HAVEN'T MENTIONED MY FIVE TON LATELY, CHECK MY AIR INTAKE FOR CHEMICAL WEAPONS

Aren't retarded government-mandated emissions systems great?

Keep that old iron rolling as long as you can...

# ? Aug 19, 2012 20:43

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The Screw Whisperer (TM)

Powershift posted:

I would still rather see the guy who was a trucker become manager than the guy who was an accountant.

Also, i had the pleasure of talking to an international dealer. He said by december you'll be able to buy a cummins engine in an international truck, and by early next year the navistar engines are going to use the cummins hot piss injection.

So cat builds an engine that meets EPA 2007, it sucks, they turn to navistar and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try", navistar takes it and then tries to meet EPA 2010, it sucks, then turn to cummins and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try".

Meanwhile there are brand new trucks with less than 100,000kms sitting around without engines because cummins' own 2010 EPA engines are blowing the gently caress up left and right. The volvo/mack solution takes up almost the entire side of the truck, and detroit's system goes through diesel/urea almost as fast as the engine itself.

I wish they'd all just do what VW did with the TDI, look over at California who is pushing the new EPA diesel requirement, and give them the middle finger.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 21:19

mrfreeze: Apr 3, 2009; Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

So any of the other truckers here ever run team with a complete psychopath for far too long? When I first started in the business, I decided to hop over to Swift Transportation in order to run team with a guy I had met at truck driving school. Turns out, he was a paranoid rear end in a top hat, who would do anything possible to get me to do all of the work. For example, he led me to believe from the time we met that he was completely computer illiterate and dyslexic to boot, so asked if I would be nice enough to handle all of our Quelcomm and routing stuff since he couldn't guarantee that he would read the maps correctly. Being young and dumb, none of this set off any warning bells for me. Which lead to 2 years of being made to drive a minimum of 14 hours a night under penalty of being screamed at, in dead silence mind you, because the radio would keep him up and we couldn't have that. If I started getting exhausted enough around 4 am that I was swerving all over the road in the middle of the Arizona desert, I better just slap myself and keep going because stopping to get some coffee or take a 30 minute nap just wasn't acceptable. If that's not enough, he also illegally brought along his 13 year old kid on some of our trips, forcing me to sleep on the top bunk while the truck was rolling. This all culminated in him deciding that he wasn't getting enough miles running team with me, but I was unable to run solo since at the time the companies official line for drivers from the Detroit area was either team up, lease a truck from them, or get laid off. So while we are doing our hometime one weekend, he calls the company, tells them that I have quit, and drives (with all my stuff still in the truck) down to Columbus Ohio to get assigned a solo drivers truck. I only find any of this out when I show up to the truck stop where we left it, and start freaking out thinking that it had been stolen.

Moral of the story? Over the road has the potential to be serious nightmare fuel, and unless you are one of the few who really loves it, only do it for the year or two required to be eligible for one of the decent local or otherwise home every night jobs that are still out there.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 22:26

jonathan: Jul 3, 2005

That's insane. I'd honestly turn the truck around, head back to hometown or wherever I left my vehicle and walk off within 2 days if the company didn't modify their poo poo to make me happy. Then again, one thing the trucking industry has taught me, the hours are too long and the pay not enough to put up with inconvenience.

We spend too many hours of our lives behind the wheel to be less than happy.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 22:37

mrfreeze: Apr 3, 2009; Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

jonathan posted:

That's insane. I'd honestly turn the truck around, head back to hometown or wherever I left my vehicle and walk off within 2 days if the company didn't modify their poo poo to make me happy. Then again, one thing the trucking industry has taught me, the hours are too long and the pay not enough to put up with inconvenience.

We spend too many hours of our lives behind the wheel to be less than happy.

Yep, if nothing else, that 2 years taught me to not take any more crap from trucking companies. And between running for Swift and Usxpress over a 4 year period, I am quite intimately familiar with every type of crap they can try to heap on you.

# ? Aug 19, 2012 22:40

Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

Two Ton 21 posted:

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Last Post Aug 19, 2012 14:33
Location: San Antonio

Aren't you kinda proving a point? If you don't want to have your drivers idle in San Antonio Texas?

Lol. I have no issues with idling when it's hot or cold, and there are actually parameters I've set to allow idling when the ambient temperature is over 80 or under 60. I do have a problem with drivers idling when they're not in the truck. And that's why I'm asking about incentivizing those that wish to help.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 03:27

Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

Powershift posted:

I would still rather see the guy who was a trucker become manager than the guy who was an accountant.

Also, i had the pleasure of talking to an international dealer. He said by december you'll be able to buy a cummins engine in an international truck, and by early next year the navistar engines are going to use the cummins hot piss injection.

So cat builds an engine that meets EPA 2007, it sucks, they turn to navistar and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try", navistar takes it and then tries to meet EPA 2010, it sucks, then turn to cummins and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try".

Meanwhile there are brand new trucks with less than 100,000kms sitting around without engines because cummins' own 2010 EPA engines are blowing the gently caress up left and right. The volvo/mack solution takes up almost the entire side of the truck, and detroit's system goes through diesel/urea almost as fast as the engine itself.

To make things even better, Navistar may not be allowed to continue selling their non compliant engine with a penalty. Which means they won't have a 2010 complaint engine to sell until they can engineer their own SCR solution or engineer Cummins into their chassis. The decision has been made and sent to the OMB but they haven't released it yet. Even if they're allowed to sell non compliant engines, the penalty will be greatly increased from the $2k they're charged today for each engine they sell. They are hosed.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 03:32

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

Suqit posted:

To make things even better, Navistar may not be allowed to continue selling their non compliant engine with a penalty. Which means they won't have a 2010 complaint engine to sell until they can engineer their own SCR solution or engineer Cummins into their chassis. The decision has been made and sent to the OMB but they haven't released it yet. Even if they're allowed to sell non compliant engines, the penalty will be greatly increased from the $2k they're charged today for each engine they sell. They are hosed.

They're not hosed, they're just gonna have to start making a few more "incomplete vehicle" door tags.

edit: here's the video as promised, it's shaky and blurry as promised as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeI4i9ww14Y

Note: professional driver, closed course and pilot truck(that's what's kicking up that dust)

Powershift fucked around with this message at Aug 20, 2012 around 05:15

# ? Aug 20, 2012 04:21

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Powershift posted:

They're not hosed, they're just gonna have to start making a few more "incomplete vehicle" door tags.

edit: here's the video as promised, it's shaky and blurry as promised as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeI4i9ww14Y

Note: professional driver, closed course and pilot truck(that's what's kicking up that dust)

Adding a ISX back into a International isn't going to be that hard. Since they already have ISX powerplants in them and there is a lot of framerail space on the right side already.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 06:02

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Powershift posted:

I would still rather see the guy who was a trucker become manager than the guy who was an accountant.

Jerry Moyes, Chester England, and a handful of others all used to be drivers.

Doesn't help that Jerry Moyes, Chester England, Dick and Kellie Simon, The Knight Brother/Cousins, are all related as well.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 06:16

jonathan: Jul 3, 2005

Powershift posted:

They're not hosed, they're just gonna have to start making a few more "incomplete vehicle" door tags.

edit: here's the video as promised, it's shaky and blurry as promised as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeI4i9ww14Y

Note: professional driver, closed course and pilot truck(that's what's kicking up that dust)

YouTube allows you to edit the video to reduce camera shake via some cropping and trickery. Give it a try

# ? Aug 20, 2012 07:02

Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

InterceptorV8 posted:

Adding a ISX back into a International isn't going to be that hard. Since they already have ISX powerplants in them and there is a lot of framerail space on the right side already.

Navistar is not currently running the ISX. And it's more than just slapping on an SCR. The electronics from the engine and chassis have to mate up. It's going to take time and engineering. We won't see ISX or Maxxforce SCR engines for 6 months. And if we see them before that, I wouldn't touch them with your dick.

According to their head of sales the current $2k penalty they are paying is "basically our profit on the engine". If that penalty goes up they'll lose money on every truck they sell. Their stock is already in the tank. They've pissed off the EPA and Cummins. I'm sure Cummins is not selling them the ISX at cut rates after the way they were treated by Navistar. It wouldn't shock me if this is the end for them.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 12:36

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Don't worry, you aren't allowed to touch my dick.

# ? Aug 20, 2012 16:24

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

mrfreeze posted:

So any of the other truckers here ever run team with a complete psychopath for far too long? When I first started in the business, I decided to hop over to Swift Transportation in order to run team with a guy I had met at truck driving school. Turns out, he was a paranoid rear end in a top hat, who would do anything possible to get me to do all of the work. For example, he led me to believe from the time we met that he was completely computer illiterate and dyslexic to boot, so asked if I would be nice enough to handle all of our Quelcomm and routing stuff since he couldn't guarantee that he would read the maps correctly. Being young and dumb, none of this set off any warning bells for me. Which lead to 2 years of being made to drive a minimum of 14 hours a night under penalty of being screamed at, in dead silence mind you, because the radio would keep him up and we couldn't have that. If I started getting exhausted enough around 4 am that I was swerving all over the road in the middle of the Arizona desert, I better just slap myself and keep going because stopping to get some coffee or take a 30 minute nap just wasn't acceptable. If that's not enough, he also illegally brought along his 13 year old kid on some of our trips, forcing me to sleep on the top bunk while the truck was rolling. This all culminated in him deciding that he wasn't getting enough miles running team with me, but I was unable to run solo since at the time the companies official line for drivers from the Detroit area was either team up, lease a truck from them, or get laid off. So while we are doing our hometime one weekend, he calls the company, tells them that I have quit, and drives (with all my stuff still in the truck) down to Columbus Ohio to get assigned a solo drivers truck. I only find any of this out when I show up to the truck stop where we left it, and start freaking out thinking that it had been stolen.

Moral of the story? Over the road has the potential to be serious nightmare fuel, and unless you are one of the few who really loves it, only do it for the year or two required to be eligible for one of the decent local or otherwise home every night jobs that are still out there.

I only team with myself.

So to answer your question. Yes.

Really though, what kind of nutter did you find?

# ? Aug 20, 2012 16:53

mrfreeze: Apr 3, 2009; Jon Arbuckle: Master of pleasuring women

InterceptorV8 posted:

I only team with myself.

So to answer your question. Yes.

Really though, what kind of nutter did you find?

Well he was half insanely paranoid whackjob, and the other half was manipulative rear end in a top hat who knew an easy mark when he saw one. The best story I can think of, was when the company told us to stop at this TA out in the middle of the desert to pick up our mandatory bags of chains for crossing the midwest in winter. Our tractor had super singles on it, and so somehow he got it into his head that the truckstop was going to give us special chains that were made to fit them (even though we had a rule that we were never going to actually chain up anyway unless absolutely necessary, since neither of us had ever been taught how). Apparently though, the standard procedure is to just give 2 bags of regular chains to go on each super single tire. When he found this out, he flipped out in the middle of the truckstop and started screaming at me for being a stupid gently caress up and getting the wrong chains, and then refused to let them put them underneath our bunk. Since the truckstop had already charged the company for the chains and had us sign for them though, they refused to take them back. This led to him throwing the bags onto the floor in the middle of the truckstop and yelling for me to "Get in the loving truck right now, we're leaving." Then when I refused to get in the truck, because I had no desire to be blamed for the obviously coming poo poo storm when the company found out about what he had just done, he called up our fleet manager and told him that I was abandoning the truck and he wanted me to be immediately fired. Looking back, I have no clue why the hell it took me a year after that to finally be rid of him. I guess I really did let him get into my head and convince me that I was incapable of doing the job solo. But hey, it's been over 3 years since the last I saw of that rear end in a top hat, and 2 years since I stopped having nightmares every night that I'm forced to run with him again.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 00:08

Giblet Plus!: Sep 14, 2004; he who controls the spice controls the universe

Powershift posted:

So cat builds an engine that meets EPA 2007, it sucks, they turn to navistar and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try", navistar takes it and then tries to meet EPA 2010, it sucks, then turn to cummins and say "we can't figure this poo poo out, you try".

Navistar is not an engineering company. They are a manufacturing company. I don't know how anyone expected them to pull through on their emissions "solution".

quote:

Meanwhile there are brand new trucks with less than 100,000kms sitting around without engines because cummins' own 2010 EPA engines are blowing the gently caress up left and right. The volvo/mack solution takes up almost the entire side of the truck, and detroit's system goes through diesel/urea almost as fast as the engine itself.

No mention of the PACCAR MX?

Suqit posted:

Navistar is not currently running the ISX. And it's more than just slapping on an SCR. The electronics from the engine and chassis have to mate up. It's going to take time and engineering. We won't see ISX or Maxxforce SCR engines for 6 months. And if we see them before that, I wouldn't touch them with your dick.

From what I've seen, it will take them considerably longer than 6 months. I don't think they even considered the SCR route until the court ruled the $2k fine was too little for non-compliance.

quote:

According to their head of sales the current $2k penalty they are paying is "basically our profit on the engine". If that penalty goes up they'll lose money on every truck they sell. Their stock is already in the tank. They've pissed off the EPA and Cummins. I'm sure Cummins is not selling them the ISX at cut rates after the way they were treated by Navistar. It wouldn't shock me if this is the end for them.

They already have had trouble making money on line haul trucks. Most of their profits in the last few years has been from military trucks. Navistar's leadership mentioned how much they hated cummins at every meeting they held.

InterceptorV8 posted:

Adding a ISX back into a International isn't going to be that hard. Since they already have ISX powerplants in them and there is a lot of framerail space on the right side already.

Hahah. It wouldn't be that hard for two guys and a shop. For Navistar, it will be very hard. They will have to completely resetup the ISX for every possible truck configuration in their proprietary coding system that can only be understand after a year of working there, with their staff of fresh faced big 10 school engineers with zero experience. Oh, and the drawings that describe all of the above will be done by mexican citizens working in mexico, in contact with the engineering team through IM, because this lets them get around their american union. Oh, and all of this needs to get through a dial in committee in Indiana that meets 4 times a week, am hours only, and whose members largely do not have an engineering background and have difficulty with esl speakers.

Just set a side 1 week of engineering hours for each combination of the following:

front axle
cooling package
fuel tank location
aftertreatment location
step style and location
cab size and height
transmission
exhaust
rear axle ratio
driveline
maintenance contract
trim package
rear suspension
etc...

Giblet Plus! fucked around with this message at Aug 21, 2012 around 00:56

# ? Aug 21, 2012 00:50

Giblet Plus!: Sep 14, 2004; he who controls the spice controls the universe

kastein posted:

Aren't retarded government-mandated emissions systems great?

A more nuanced perspective would be that they are a means of allowing the existing truck OEMs to continue dominate the new truck market by planned obsolescence and technical complexity.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 01:06

Giblet Plus!: Sep 14, 2004; he who controls the spice controls the universe

jonathan posted:

one odd thing, our management tells us to never idle the trucks. They say to let them scream at 1300rpm. What the gently caress. They think that normal idle causes things to break. Sigh.

screaming would be redline. 1300 is right around the torque peak on a diesel that size. at that speed, under the load, the engine is working in the exact environment it was designed for.

idling does cause things to break, because the oil pump is direct driven on almost all diesels. this means the oil pressure is a compromise at all engine speeds, and that compromise is chosen for the max torque speed, not idle. the same goes for the cooling system in other ways. you are far better off not idling, or getting a small generator for household power.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 01:18

Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

Giblet Plus! posted:

Navistar is not an engineering company. They are a manufacturing company. I don't know how anyone expected them to pull through on their emissions "solution".

No mention of the PACCAR MX?

From what I've seen, it will take them considerably longer than 6 months. I don't think they even considered the SCR route until the court ruled the $2k fine was too little for non-compliance.

They already have had trouble making money on line haul trucks. Most of their profits in the last few years has been from military trucks. Navistar's leadership mentioned how much they hated cummins at every meeting they held.

Hahah. It wouldn't be that hard for two guys and a shop. For Navistar, it will be very hard. They will have to completely resetup the ISX for every possible truck configuration in their proprietary coding system that can only be understand after a year of working there, with their staff of fresh faced big 10 school engineers with zero experience. Oh, and the drawings that describe all of the above will be done by mexican citizens working in mexico, in contact with the engineering team through IM, because this lets them get around their american union. Oh, and all of this needs to get through a dial in committee in Indiana that meets 4 times a week, am hours only, and whose members largely do not have an engineering background and have difficulty with esl speakers.

Just set a side 1 week of engineering hours for each combination of the following:

front axle

cooling package

fuel tank location

aftertreatment location

step style and location

cab size and height

transmission

exhaust

rear axle ratio

driveline

maintenance contract

trim package

rear suspension

etc...

Really good posts, thanks. What's your story? According to the engine team at Navistar they've been testing a few SCR engines. And yes, 6 months was being generous.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 02:16

SNiPER_Magnum: Jan 21, 2001; Don't close. Don't close.

Navistar runs SCR in South America so it's not a completely new hurdle for them.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 02:20

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Giblet Plus! posted:

Just set a side 1 week of engineering hours for each combination of the following:

front axle

cooling package

fuel tank location

aftertreatment location

step style and location

cab size and height

transmission

exhaust

rear axle ratio

driveline

maintenance contract

trim package

rear suspension

etc...

It's OK, I'll let them borrow my old build sheet. Since they where dropping ISX into the Prostars well into 2010 (build dates, not year models)

poo poo, I'll fax my old build sheet to Camiones y Motores International de Mexico @ 815420000. What kind of loving Telefono Numero is that anyway?

# ? Aug 21, 2012 04:30

9axle: Sep 6, 2009; THE ONLY THING I LOVE MORE THAN A COOL TALLBOY WHILE DRIVING IS NUTCUP'S PISSBOTTLES

Sometimes I get nostalgic, like when I see a loaded car hauler go by. I remember how much I enjoyed certain aspects of the job. Thankfully I have all of you to help through, and remind me of why I never want to set foot in another truck ever again. Unless it a new car hauler.....with a nice 11 car load.....gently caress, I need a drink.

You ever get a really good job, and a year or so later become really worried that you liked your old, lovely job more?

# ? Aug 21, 2012 14:56

Splizwarf: Jun 15, 2007; Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box

9axle posted:

You ever get a really good job, and a year or so later become really worried that you liked your old, lovely job more?

With every job so far.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 15:56

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

9axle posted:

Sometimes I get nostalgic, like when I see a loaded car hauler go by. I remember how much I enjoyed certain aspects of the job. Thankfully I have all of you to help through, and remind me of why I never want to set foot in another truck ever again. Unless it a new car hauler.....with a nice 11 car load.....gently caress, I need a drink.

You ever get a really good job, and a year or so later become really worried that you liked your old, lovely job more?

Here is how you have the best of both worlds.

You enjoy playing with choo choo trains?

# ? Aug 21, 2012 18:04

jonathan: Jul 3, 2005

InterceptorV8 posted:

Here is how you have the best of both worlds.

You enjoy playing with choo choo trains?

You know what ? I loving saw that exact same combo or possibly the same truck coming out of Vancouver a couple weeks back. Although it may have been an older tractor and tandem axle.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 20:02

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

jonathan posted:

You know what ? I loving saw that exact same combo or possibly the same truck coming out of Vancouver a couple weeks back. Although it may have been an older tractor and tandem axle.

I saw a T2000 set up like that as well. Those SMART cars are the go to rig of RVers now it seems.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 20:12

Giblet Plus!: Sep 14, 2004; he who controls the spice controls the universe

InterceptorV8 posted:

It's OK, I'll let them borrow my old build sheet. Since they where dropping ISX into the Prostars well into 2010 (build dates, not year models)

poo poo, I'll fax my old build sheet to Camiones y Motores International de Mexico @ 815420000. What kind of loving Telefono Numero is that anyway?

Your old build sheet won't work anymore. Their driveline program computed a unique key for each unique drive configuration. However, that program was written 20+ years ago, and only had enough memory for a year or two worth of truck orders. Now they have switched to a new system which can store more than 1 mb of data and doesn't rely on unique keys, however everything needs to be resetup to work with it.

# ? Aug 21, 2012 23:26

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Giblet Plus! posted:

Your old build sheet won't work anymore. Their driveline program computed a unique key for each unique drive configuration. However, that program was written 20+ years ago, and only had enough memory for a year or two worth of truck orders. Now they have switched to a new system which can store more than 1 mb of data and doesn't rely on unique keys, however everything needs to be resetup to work with it.

Typing is hard.

# ? Aug 22, 2012 04:32

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Saw a truck that rolled over at interstate speed, driver side first today. Complete loving mess, dirt was pouring out of the, what remained of, the cab and sleeper. No idea what happened, other than it also started a fire.

Also saw a dragon, and had tornado warnings.

# ? Aug 22, 2012 04:35

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

InterceptorV8 posted:

Here is how you have the best of both worlds.

You enjoy playing with choo choo trains?

gently caress, i would love to be able to park a smart car on the mack. I was considering rigging up a system to mount a street legal dirt bike to the front bumper. It's a pain in the as wiggling a 70 foot rig through the grocery store parking lot on the longer runs.

In other news, this popped up on kijiji recently

http://alberta.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...QAdIdZ406228233

This SHOULD be pretty much plug and play with an 01 cat c15. No crank case filters, no EGR, no DPF, no SCR. Basically 90% of the reasons a modern truck breaks down thrown right into the loving trash.

# ? Aug 22, 2012 04:53

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Powershift posted:

gently caress, i would love to be able to park a smart car on the mack. I was considering rigging up a system to mount a street legal dirt bike to the front bumper. It's a pain in the as wiggling a 70 foot rig through the grocery store parking lot on the longer runs.

In other news, this popped up on kijiji recently

http://alberta.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...QAdIdZ406228233

This SHOULD be pretty much plug and play with an 01 cat c15. No crank case filters, no EGR, no DPF, no SCR. Basically 90% of the reasons a modern truck breaks down thrown right into the loving trash.

How much for the glider kit? I remember the ones around coming less engine tranny and rear axles.

Heh I know where you can get a CAT 3406 for $5000.

Comes with a COE Freightliner!

# ? Aug 22, 2012 20:36

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

InterceptorV8 posted:

How much for the glider kit? I remember the ones around coming less engine tranny and rear axles.

Heh I know where you can get a CAT 3406 for $5000.

Comes with a COE Freightliner!

I was told after parts and labor to install axles under a glider kit that already has any pre-emissions engine and an 18 speed eaton installed would end up at about 10 grand more than a new truck off the lot. If you buy and rebuild the engine yourself rather than going with brand new, and go with a reman eaton, you should be able to get it on the road for $110-$120k

# ? Aug 22, 2012 21:28

InterceptorV8: Mar 9, 2004; Would have been a shame to blow it up.

Why I don't like loving retarded potheads:

http://www.theweedblog.com/what-is-...are-they-legal/

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What Is A Drug Inspection Checkpoint And Are They Legal?
Posted by Johnny Green at 10:32 AM on March 25, 2012 Cannabis Tips and Tricks, Ending Marijuana Prohibition Add comments

Do You Know What To Do If You See A Sign On The Road That Says �Drug Inspection Checkpoint�?
Ninjasmoker and I are in the middle of one of the most epic road trips of all time. We departed from Eugene, Oregon on Wednesday, March 21 heading to Denver, Colorado. Why would we drive so far? For the 13th annual Students for Sensible Drug Policy Conference of course! Oh wait, you mean why did we drive instead of fly�let�s just say that when I travel outside of Oregon, I always bring a little bit of Oregon with me. I wish I didn�t have to. If Colorado had a reciprocity agreement with Oregon, I would just fly with my mmj or purchase some mmj when I got to Denver.

However, these are not options for out of state medical marijuana cardholders that are visiting Colorado, so we had to go old school and just drive with it. The first leg of the drive was not that bad. We met up with some activists in the Reno, Nevada area which broke up the trip. It�s always fun to bring some Oregon treats to other areas that are not as fortunate as Oregon and see how people react. The look on people�s faces is priceless lol.

Everything on the trip was going well. I was driving east of Reno for the first time, and I was very excited to see Eastern Nevada and Utah. Things took a drastic turn for the worst on I-80 near Battle Mountain, Nevada. For those of you that haven�t had the pleasure of visiting the fine area outside of Battle Mountain, I wouldn�t be surprised. The area is very remote, there are not that many exits, and seeing anything that is alive in such a desolate desert is rare. Ninjasmoker and I had fought the urge to smoke a bowl the few hours we had been driving from Reno, but decided to sneak one in about twenty miles before Battle Mountain. After a handful of pulls off of the pipe (Rowdy Roddy Piper is it�s name), we backed off and were looking at the scenery.

As with most road trips, we saw several orange construction signs along the freeway. We saw so many of them at this point of the trip, I didn�t really look at them anymore. However, one particular orange road sign caught my eye because it was knocked over on the ground, and the text on the sign was different than my sub-conscience was used to I suppose. I was pretty sure that the sign read, �Drug Inspection Checkpoint K-9 1 Mile��to which I reacted with the comment, �what the f#ck was that?� while pointing like I had just seen a dead body.

Ninjasmoker asked me why I was so worked up all of a sudden. As I was explaining to him what I thought I saw, sure enough, there were more signs lining both sides of the road that indeed read �Drug Inspection Checkpoint K-9 1 Mile.� Instantly Ninjasmoker started spraying Axe body spray like his life depended on it. I slowed down a little bit and rapidly thought in my head about what we should do. Ninjasmoker and I drive more than any other humans I have ever met. For instance, in the last two months we have driven from Oregon to Los Angeles three times, in addition to this Denver trip. Not one time, ever, have we seen or heard of a drug checkpoint. All of our mmj was in a heat sealed bag inside of a duffle bag, underneath a bunch of other bags in the trunk, but that provided little reassurance in this time of need.

We essentially had three choices as I saw it. 1) We could do an illegal, unsafe U-turn on the freeway and head back the other way. 2) We could take the next exit and turn around. 3) We could just face the music and keep driving straight. The unsafe U-turn did not seem desirable, as we were driving a small car and would probably get mangled when we went off-road. Having K-9′s walking around my car didn�t seem like a good idea either, so we decided to take the next exit�That was until we saw about 10 unmarked police trucks, 10 marked patrol cars, and 5 SUV�s. As much as I didn�t want to face the impending drug inspection point up the road, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I didn�t want to drive into that swarm of hate!

So, begrudgingly, I kept driving. I thought it was weird that there wasn�t a traffic jam as a result of bringing so many vehicles to a screeching halt on a 75 mile an hour freeway. We were going over some hills, so seeing into the distance was difficult. I expected the drug inspection point to be just over the horizon. We drove for what seemed to be a mile, discussing the legalities of such a search. Then we drove what seemed to be two miles�then three�After awhile I began to wonder what the scoop was with this K-9 roadside shakedown. �Did we just barely miss the checkpoint, and drive by when they were just getting ready to set up?� I asked Ninjasmoker. We agreed that we would take the next exit into Battle Mountain, provided that there wasn�t a law enforcement convention going on like the last exit we were going to take.

After our heart rates were back to normal, we started to wrap our heads around what just happened. As with most scenarios when we need answers, we Googled �drug inspection checkpoint.� What we found out was mind blowing, and VERY important for all marijuana consumers to know. Below is information provided by Flex Your Rights:

�There isn�t exactly such a thing as a drug checkpoint. In City of Indianapolis v. Edmond, the Supreme Court found random drug checkpoints unconstitutional in 2000. Since then, police (particularly in the mid-west) have gotten into the habit of putting signs up warning drivers of upcoming drug checkpoints and then detaining and searching drivers who make illegal u-turns or desperately fling contraband from their vehicles. These checkpoint-like fake checkpoints serve as the functional equivalent of a checkpoint without violating the Court�s prohibition against checkpoints.

We�ve received several emails about this practice over the past couple years and we�ve mentioned it in our presentations, but perhaps this is something that deserves more attention. The prodigious Drug WarRant blogger Peter Guither encountered one of these non-checkpoints over the Thanksgiving weekend, and had some very interesting observations. Most notably, the sign warning of an upcoming drug checkpoint was located shortly before a rest area exit ramp, the intended result being that drivers wishing to avoid the checkpoint would pull in. Peter did not stop, but observed officers in the rest area parking lot using dogs to sniff approaching vehicles.

As practiced previously, the fake checkpoint tactic often took place on open stretches of highway, provoking illegal u-turns into oncoming traffic and the disposal of contraband onto the roadside�By steering alarmed motorists into a canine-infested rest area, police could circumvent the need to trigger traffic violations as a pretext for drug searches.�

Lucky for us, we made the right decision, despite the fact that it went against all of my instincts. As I stated before in the story, I was planning on taking the next exit until I saw the swarm of cops waiting. Had we not had our stuff in the trunk, maybe we would have considered throwing it out of the window. Maybe we would have made a U-turn had we been in a different car. There are a number of things that could have went different, but thanks to luck, suspicion, and quick reactions, we were fortunate. Make sure to know what to do in the event that you see one of these fake drug checkpoints. Also, make sure to tell everyone that you know what to do in such a situation. These are not common on the West Coast, but it sounds like they are common in the Mid-West. If you have seen one of these fake drug checkpoints, please leave comments below so that others can find out about their presence in certain areas.

These fake drug checkpoints are unsafe, and unproductive. Since the freeway speed limit is 75 on the stretch of I-80 that we were driving on, most people were driving a little bit over at around 80 miles per hour (even the semi trucks). It is not safe for a triple trailer to try to slow down from 80 miles an hour to a complete stop, which is what�s suggested by the fake road signs. How many cars slow down or lock up their brakes when they see these signs? I-80 is a major freeway, and causing chaos between it�s lanes is insane.

What example does that set for society? Cops can blatantly lie in order to get around the fact that their actions were found to be unconstitutional? Is that the message we should be sending children? �OK Sally, we are going to have to pull over up here and talk to some cops and doggies, don�t be scared�� Two miles down the road, �OK Sally, sometimes cops have to tell lies in order to do their jobs. You don�t lie yourself, but just be OK with the fact that cops do.�

Does it seem crazy to anyone else that the cops are encouraging people to litter and throw drugs onto the side of the freeway? Last time I checked, inmates are the ones cleaning the sides of that freeway. I wonder how many of those inmates have found hardcore drugs on the side of the road and took them back to prison with them? Or for that matter, how many people have stopped on the side of the road to check a tire or get something out of the trunk and stumbled across some meth? I understand that cops are trying to get drugs off the street, but fake drug checkpoints literally does the opposite of that.

What if people were legitimately taking that particular exit? As I stated before it�s a desolate area, however, the exit was made for a reason. Someone lives near there. What if they were running to the store, which is a multi-hour trip from the area we were at, and when the residents came back there was a small army of cops and K-9s that had set up in the meantime? The cops are obviously out for blood, and I doubt they would believe the people when they explained that they were just heading home. I�m sure the cops would say something like, �Sure buddy, like we haven�t heard that before from the other people we have set up earlier today.� It�s only after the legitimate exit users were put through a traumatic experience and nothing was found that they are then allowed to go about their lives.

How do TWB readers feel about this? Are you someone that likes smaller government, limited government intrusion, and using police resources in a safe, logical, constitutional way? I know I am. How many cops were taken away from their regular duties to sit along the side of the road and hope that something might happen? What if no one took the bait? That�s countless officers and K-9s that could have been out raiding meth labs, or catching chimos, or just about anything else that is worthwhile. I will never understand how it is constitutional to fake an unconstitutional act in order to achieve the same end result.

To me, this is like if someone put up a �whites only� sign on their business door, but didn�t enforce it, and somehow that was found to be constitutional because the people weren�t actually discriminating, they were just pretending to do so. At the end of the day, people would be having their rights violated if they followed the instructions from the fake sign at the business, and the business owner would get the same result as if they actually enforced what the sign said. To me, it�s the same situation with the cops, and just as it�s ludicrous to think the business sign example is OK, it is also ludicrous to think that what the cops are doing with fake drug checkpoints is OK. Please, spread the word far and wide. Research this issue for yourself and add any information that you think I have missed. EVERYONE needs to know about this practice so that no one falls victim to the overzealous cops� tactics. Below is the link to the Supreme Court case which determined that fake drug checkpoints are illegal (for all of my fellow legal nerds):

http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2000/2000_99_1030

I share the road with stupid Oregon morons hitting the pipe while driving.

"Yeah man....gently caress what did that sign just say....."

# ? Aug 23, 2012 08:40

Suqit: Apr 25, 2005; Let's Go Scorps

I'm heading up to the Great American Truck Show today. Anyone need anything?

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# ? May 26, 2013 00:42

wolrah: May 8, 2006; what?

InterceptorV8 posted:

Why I don't like loving retarded potheads:

http://www.theweedblog.com/what-is-...are-they-legal/

I share the road with stupid Oregon morons hitting the pipe while driving.

"Yeah man....gently caress what did that sign just say....."

I love my weed, but those guys are loving idiots. It's a rather smart tactic on the part of the cops and yea, anyone blazing on the road deserves what's coming to them.

I've seen someone hitting a bong while driving on the turnpike. One hand on the pipe, one on the lighter, nothing on the wheel. I had a quarter pound in the trunk myself at the time, but I still called them in and don't feel bad about it. Those guys give the anti-drug types ammo to use against people like myself who just want to smoke, lay down on the couch, and play some video games without putting anyone else at risk.

wolrah fucked around with this message at Aug 23, 2012 around 19:39

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