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Deadwood is a fabulous show that was killed before its prime due to the large costs of keeping a hot set for the series and because of that only 3 seasons were completed. This thread is mainly to discuss the show, debate characters/themes and historical accuracy. Just have fun with it and try to be courteous to people who may not have seen the show yet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadwood_tv HanabaL03 fucked around with this message at Jan 2, 2011 around 23:22 |
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HanabaL03 posted:I work at my University in the library and we have a large selection of DVDs and TV shows that people can check out. Well today I decided to watch Deadwood and although I'm only 2 episodes in, this is an amazing show. Please don't spoil the series for another couple weeks as I complete the series. However what I want to know for those of you that watch it what your favorite seasons are and why it only lasted 3 seasons. Season One is barely my favorite, because Season Two was amazing and then in Season 3 they make a terrifying villain out of Major Dad of all people, but those first two or three episodes of Season One were what reeled me in and made me a huge fan. I believe it was canceled due to a dispute between HBO and David Milch over the length of the fourth season. It's a goddamn shame because it was an amazing series, rated well and was a critical darling, if a show like that can't get 5-6 seasons then what the hell is wrong with the world?
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Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen makes $800,000 per episode for Two and a Half Men Only thing I disliked about Deadwood is they never explain some of the terms they use. How am I supposed to know what hooplehead or the Pinkertons were? I had to look it up. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2009 around 07:21 |
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If you're missing even a single word of the dialogue, do yourself a favor and turn subtitles on. You hear "Shakespearean" thrown around a lot about Deadwood, and it's really accurate. As the plots quickly get more complicated, it's like being a kid taken to a performance of a Shakespeare play you haven't read or had summarized beforehand. The dialogue is so thick (in an awesome way) that you'll spend too much time trying to parse the grammar to process the implications of what's actually being said. Reading the subtitles simultaneously made it a lot easier for me.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 06:48 |
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Yeah I had the problem of not understanding what the gently caress was going on after the first season pretty much due to the dialogue. I watched it all recently on DVD and I had to limit myself to 1 episode a day or else Id get sleepy from getting lost in what was going on. I think at the end of the third season I missed 2 or 3 episodes due to falling asleep from binging on it. It was a great show but I would have liked a feature on the dvds to add subtitles for what the hell was going on at certain stages. All I knew was that if Al was angry, poo poo was going down and it was time to pay attention/cheer.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 07:14 |
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Thankfully Wu was always easy to understand, or at least had Al around to translate. SWEARENGEN! COCKSUCKER!
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 07:21 |
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Wait til Al really gets going in what I dubbed "The Blowjob Monologues". Holy gently caress Al Swearingen is such a great character.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 07:26 |
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As I say to everyone that asks, the first season is some of the most complete, epic TV that there has ever been or ever will be. If The Wire didn't exist, this would be the pinnacle of television thus far. Season two drags out a bit different and takes a while to rolling, and three is good, but leaves far too many things hanging, due to being canceled by the time it was already filmed. Also, McShane is a retardedly good actor when he wants to be. Mu Zeta posted:Only thing I disliked about Deadwood is they never explain some of the terms they use. How am I supposed to know what hooplehead or the Pinkertons were? I had to look it up. Yes, what a chore it is to have to learn something and not have it explained straight away.
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Yeah that's what I'm saying And I haven't seen season 3 yet. I own the DVD set but I don't want this show to end. I'm not really looking forward to cliffhanger ending either. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2009 around 07:42 |
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Mu Zeta posted:Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen makes $800,000 per episode for Two and a Half Men
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SaviourX posted:Yes, what a chore it is to have to learn something and not have it explained straight away. You would have learn about pinkerton e:f,b incoherent fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2009 around 09:37 |
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And even if you don't know the exact definition of hooplehead, the context is pretty goddamn clear. On an unrelated note, I don't think I have ever seen anything more brutal or horrific on television than season 3's fight between Dan and Hearst's enforcer/bodyguard, that was absolutely nightmarish. They sure as hell didn't glamorize it.
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Weren't we supposed to get a Deadwood mini-series to wrap everything up? The stuff with the troupe never really went anywhere. Season 3 overall was pretty mediocre compared to the first two, which was a shame really.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 10:07 |
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drat you HBO and to a lesser extent David Milch(he didn't fight as much as he could have because he had his new show John From Cincinnati to focus on, and we all know how great that turned out, even though personally i liked the show) for not giving one of the greatest shows ever a proper ending. I mean Deadwood loving burned down a couple years after the years the show takes place. Al motherfucking Swearegnen, one of the baddest asses ever to grace a screen, is left broke and dies in a gutter sometime after that. That doesn't sound interesting AT ALL.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 10:14 |
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Fragmented posted:drat you HBO and to a lesser extent David Milch(he didn't fight as much as he could have because he had his new show John From Cincinnati to focus on, and we all know how great that turned out, even though personally i liked the show) for not giving one of the greatest shows ever a proper ending. Actually wasn't he shot down while boarding a train after being left destitute? Personally I was hoping they'd keep the show going long enough for Teddy Roosevelt to show up, since he and Seth Bullock became good buddies.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 10:18 |
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Jerusalem posted:Actually wasn't he shot down while boarding a train after being left destitute? That sounds even cooler. I bet Trixie did it.
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| # ? Mar 3, 2009 10:50 |
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Fragmented posted:I mean Deadwood loving burned down a couple years after the years the show takes place. Al motherfucking Swearegnen, one of the baddest asses ever to grace a screen, is left broke and dies in a gutter sometime after that. He rebuilt a bigger, better Gem after the 1879 fire and ran it for 20 more years until it burned down again in 1899.
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Deadwood is my favorite television show. I would say Season 1 and 3 are the best, and Season 2 is somewhat weaker. It's not bad or anything, but it feels more like a prelude to Season 3 than a full-blown plotline. On the other hand, one of the new characters in that season is great. In terms of dialogue and characterization, this is probably objectively the best show. Luckily, even though it was cancelled, you can get a very rough idea of where some characters would have ended up by reading their real life bios. Also, from what I understand, there was only material for one more season or something, so the cancellation wasnt as dramativ as, say, Carnivale. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2009 around 14:42 |
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If we're talking about good Swearengen moments, how about him drinking and singing by himself?
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shadok posted:He rebuilt a bigger, better Gem after the 1879 fire and ran it for 20 more years until it burned down again in 1899. I was reading Wikipedia articles about the various Deadwood guys and this seems like a common occurrence. Why the gently caress does everyone's building burn down? Seth Bullock's hotel burned down too.
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incoherent posted:You would have learn about pinkerton Eh, I had to look it up, but then my school was pretty much exactly like the school in S4 of The Wire so I didn't learn anything. But the show gave me an interest in looking up that aspect of history, and now I'm more educated thanks to it, so I didn't mind having to look it up at all.
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Mu Zeta posted:I was reading Wikipedia articles about the various Deadwood guys and this seems like a common occurrence. Why the gently caress does everyone's building burn down? Seth Bullock's hotel burned down too. You'll recall that a common theme throughout the seasons was the fire marshall warning everyone that their buildings were deathtraps and needed to be improved, to which the answer was usually,"gently caress you." The place was built by hand by a bunch of guys ranging from stupid to cheap to just plain stubborn who heard there was gold in the hills and decided to stake their claim and have a go. It's a wonder it lasted as long as it did before burning down.
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Dante posted:Not knowing what the pinkertons is while watching a western is like not knowing what the nazis were when watching a ww2 movie My schools taught nothing relating to what is shown in the Deadwood series. I vaguely knew Wild Bill and Calamity Jane but that was probably from watching Bill and Ted. Deadwood was also the first western I ever saw. They did a good job of portraying why Wild Bill was revered or hated so I just found it odd that the show had so much jargon that wasn't explained. Or maybe they were explained and I just missed it because the dialogue is so dense. I guess most great shows do that kind of stuff, I know Battlestar Galactica never explained what "FTL" meant, you just slowly realize it means "faster than light". And the juice/jews confusion is still one of the funniest things I saw on TV. Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at Mar 3, 2009 around 20:51 |
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As the former OP for all the Deadwood threads when it was still on I approve of this thread. This is still hands down one of my favorite scenes and quotes from any in Deadwood. Al Swearengen is one of the most inherently evil characters that you can't help but love when he is so well acted out by McShane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2Q7YRDL90E
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Jerusalem posted:Thankfully Wu was always easy to understand, or at least had Al around to translate. He also knows how to say SAN FRANCISCO!
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Mob posted:He also knows how to say SAN FRANCISCO! One of the best moments of the show for me was Wu staring up at Al on his balcony and declaring,"Wu! AMERICA!" 
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I just finished this series last weekend. It's amazing alright. It's almost like watching a stageplay in how it's so well performed and how the dialogue is so wonderfully written. It's a shame that the Season 3 finale is such a blue-baller (although, not quite so to the degree that Carnivale was) but I still enjoyed it immensely. 
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Watched to see a bunch of guys in the wild west call each other limp dicked cocksuckers and gunfights, stayed for the in depth Shakespearean sprawl between the characters. I stopped watching after Season 2 and found it difficult to get back into Season 3, so I never finished it.  Don't yell at me limp dicked cocksuckers.
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There was a brief moment in time when The Sorpranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Carnivale, Six Feet Under, and Rome aired around the same year. It's hard to believe now.
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Jerusalem posted:On an unrelated note, I don't think I have ever seen anything more brutal or horrific on television than season 3's fight between Dan and Hearst's enforcer/bodyguard, I can- when Al had his gallstones taken care of I have never watched the scene in its entirety.
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Calculon posted:There was a brief moment in time when The Sorpranos, The Wire, Deadwood, Carnivale, Six Feet Under, and Rome aired around the same year. It's hard to believe now. Not to mention Lost had just started, The Office was in it's prime, Scrubs was still good, Battlestar Galatica, The Shield was in full gear, Curb Your Enthusiasm. It was easy to spend a good portion of Saturday like a pig in poo poo.
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I'm glad that TV had a chance to blow its collective load right before the economy poo poo on everyone's parade, but I still think shows get canceled because well god hates Man so he sends TV execs that know nothing about TV to do TV, thus keeping the general public away from the possibility of having shows as deep and complex as "The Wire" and opting instead for Reality shitheel cookery Island #14: revenge of rear end in a top hat tranny music producer judge, because if anyone knows how to peddle repetition it's the porn industry.
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Bozz posted:Not to mention Lost had just started, The Office was in it's prime, Scrubs was still good, Battlestar Galatica, The Shield was in full gear, Curb Your Enthusiasm. It was easy to spend a good portion of Saturday like a pig in poo poo.
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Fiendish_Ghoul posted:I can- when Al had his gallstones taken care of I have never watched the scene in its entirety. Oh man that was just painful to watch, though I love Doc's look of intense gratitude when Al decides to pass them himself rather than let him perform surgery. That reminds me of the end of season one with Doc dancing with the crippled prostitute because he thinks God answered his prayers regarding the Reverend, all while Al watches on. Things were good... and then those Bella Union cocksuckers moved in across the street 
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Kodo posted:I'm glad that TV had a chance to blow its collective load right before the economy poo poo on everyone's parade, but I still think shows get canceled because well god hates Man so he sends TV execs that know nothing about TV to do TV, thus keeping the general public away from the possibility of having shows as deep and complex as "The Wire" and opting instead for Reality shitheel cookery Island #14: revenge of rear end in a top hat tranny music producer judge, because if anyone knows how to peddle repetition it's the porn industry. There was a bit of discussion about this in the Lost thread, but these shows require a level of commitment not seen in reality shows. Take a job like finance where you're working 60-70 hours a week and when you get home you just want some light entertainment. The time and energy is not there for you to spend due to other priorities in your life. The bulk of America have stressful jobs that require them to think so much they want something uncomplicated when they get home.
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Deadwood is my favorite show of all time. Every other decent Western I watch pales in comparison. Where is the grime? I think Deadwood is to Westerns is what Saving Private Ryan was to war movies. Deadwood is the definition of a rich character driven drama. They talked a lot about a deadwood movie at first, but I think it was just a dream and something to give all the crushed fans hope. But Ian McShane gave a definite no to the idea recently. Too much time has passed anyway. I've watched the series 4 or 5 times through, and everyone I've introduced to it bought the DvDs and were eventually just as sad as I was when it ended. I wish it had gotten more publicity, for me it's just as bad as Song of Ice and Fire never having a conclusion is to a lot of Goons. HBO is talking about doing a Dark Tower series, I would love to see Ian McShane as Walter and Timothy Olyphant as Roland. Oh well
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Bozz posted:There was a bit of discussion about this in the Lost thread, but these shows require a level of commitment not seen in reality shows. Take a job like finance where you're working 60-70 hours a week and when you get home you just want some light entertainment. The time and energy is not there for you to spend due to other priorities in your life. The bulk of America have stressful jobs that require them to think so much they want something uncomplicated when they get home. I have a pure moods CD that I could offer to the general public Maybe, maybe not. How committed a viewer is doesn't seem to bother the BSGs and soap opera fans (different demos, I know). However, put up Sopranos on primetime network Thursday night and it'll probably be an instant hit. Of course, with DVRs, time slots won't matter, so people can watch the shows they like when they feel ready to to.
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People keep mentioning The Wire, I'll have to check it out, I need a new show to get into.
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Deadwood has to be the most filthy show I have ever seen. The mud, the poo poo, the disease, the fights, the degradation. I watched it all last year in about two month's time, but I'm not sure when I'll ever be ready to watch it again, especially considering how it never had a proper end. Fantastic show. There was one scene that just about broke me, and it's not the big dirty fight in season 3, nor the horrific gallstone scene. Middle of season 2, I think, end of the episode, evening. The preacher isn't doing too good, and he finds himself at Bullock's store. It's a short scene, but so painful and emotionally complex, I think I rewound and watched it about three or four times. I'd pick it out on Youtube, but I can't seem to find it there. That poor goddamned bastard.
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Is that where he asks Bullock and Star if they're his friends? That was heartbreaking.
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