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Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


psylent posted:

I think promoters etc find it much cheaper to get a fan with a decent camera to take pics for free.

There are a couple of "big" music sites here (Australia) that have hundreds of contributors all clamouring to work for free. Sure you get on the door list, but they expect not only photos of the band, but also quite a few photos of the fans for the gallery too. There's not much more I hate doing than taking social pics, so I've stopped working for those sites.

In exactly the same boat over here. I started off shooting for those sites but end of last year scored a gig that pays (a little), doing the same thing, & generally no socials. First thing they gave me was this years Big Day Out. Figured it was better to pursue this than stick with FL & the like...

Content!

Going through some older shots recently...


Philadelphia Grand Jury at the Metro Theatre, here in Sydney. January this year, if I recall right...


Biffy Clyro, also in Sydney. December last year.


One from the vaults - Tiger Army in Brisbane, around 2008 I think.

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Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Needing to vent :
Trying to get some work with a major cable TV network here (Australia) that happens to present a lot of shows and tours. I approach them, they're happy with my previous work and offer me some shooting with them, but it's on an "unpaid basis". So I reply with something along the lines of: "generally, as a professional, I would be pressing the issue of payment" etc, but then capitulate and say I'll do it for them on their terms. They say they don't want any "disparate expectations" for the future, thanks for your time etc.. (ie 'gently caress you Nilson, I can get someone who's an ok shooter and free. That'll be fine. Thanks. Bye bye' )

My thoughts (to myself, not them): It would look better on my list of previous 'clients' (paid or not) to have them, than to press the money issue and have them say outright no to me on the spot.

Right?

I haven't heard back from them saying "I was just trying to make a point, but i'm still happy to work to your terms"

drat this little bit of the industry gets trampled on sometimes.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole posted:

No. If Channel V can afford to pay that stupid 40-something British douchebag with a lovely emo haircut VJ, they can pay a photographer. Try Triple M or a radio station; not the same shows, but they DO pay.

e: It's more the precedent that if a client decides to follow up on some of your previous clients, and asks about pay: if they realise you've worked for no pay in the past, what's changed? If you want experience, shoot through the AU Review or Fasterlouder or street press and build a client base through them or directly with promoters.

I've shot gigs for FL for years (literally). It was just the starting point for me. Kinda past their "anyone with a camera" attitude. Plus social photos...

I know V can pay, that's why I approached them. They have more money floating around than most places - they just don't consider a photographer part of their budget. Idiots.

Anyhoo, yes the radio stations were the next port of call. Interested to see how that goes... Half tempted to just ship out to the UK/Europe somewhere, y'know. Probably will in a few years. Hooray for being able to get a UK passport.

Nilson fucked around with this message at Oct 14, 2011 around 14:30

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I've been following this story since I heard about it. So this idiot actually did take a swipe at her?

e: also are Odd Future really as bad ("musically") as I've heard? Managed to (inadvertently) avoid them when they were down here earlier this year, just wondering if I should give them a wide berth for good...

Nilson fucked around with this message at Nov 2, 2011 around 12:17

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


chadxor posted:

Yes, I saw him do it with my own two eyes. The publicist is full of poo poo. They also didn't tell us to clear out. They just said they hated photogs and then threw water on the pit, swiped at the woman (didn't seem like a gender thing though - she was just near), and then knocked down a 30 pound tripod in the middle of the pit. That tripod belonged to Voodoo, ironically.

yeah, as MMD3 said, sounds like a bunch of highschoolers chucking a tantrum.

Going into an environment to shoot & knowing what circumstances you're getting into beforehand, is all very well. I don't think anyone here would expect to be actually physically attacked by the band you're shooting. That's just bullshit.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Press Passes are a pre-requisite of taking on the job. In my books, they're not payment. In terms of usage, I would say that unless money has been exchanged for taking the photos ONLY, (which, and I don't know about other places but here that means the copyright is given to the payer) then you should be able to reproduce them on your blog/website/portfolio/whatever at will, but just check with them first to see what they say.

But sometimes you got to start out working for free to get a good terms with people. And to build up a good folio of images to show around. Just get out there and shoot, regardless of what you financially get out of it at the start.

CONTENT:
Shot a tribute to Nick Cave last night here in Sydney. 3 songs at the front and then all from the sound desk. .


Straight To You - a Tribute to Nick Cave by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Straight To You - a Tribute to Nick Cave by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


psylent posted:

Nilson - finally! Another Sydney music photographer here. Who do you shoot for?

Various places but recently been working for The Vine a lot. How about yourself? Were you shooting at Harvest too? How good were the Lips!? I'd never seen them up close until then.

My POV:

Harvest Festival - Sydney - The Flaming Lips by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Harvest Festival - Sydney - The Flaming Lips by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Harvest Festival - Sydney - The National by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr



Harvest Festival - Sydney - Portishead by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole posted:

Then I went to our local community station to have Wayne Coyne conduct an iPhone orchestra playing Zaireeka in full, which led to an all night party with the site I work for whose Sydney based editor-in-chief flew up to Brisbane for Harvest took over the airways with the John Steel Singers and DZ Deathrays. And then one of the JSS passed out on air. Fantastic night, got home at 630 and started editing photos.

Oh hey I read about that just the other day. Well done with Zaireeka!

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Just had a big music festival here in Sydney - Homebake. All Australian (and a little bit of NZ) music! Very long, hot day.


Homebake 2011 - Grinderman by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Nick Cave!


Homebake 2011 - PNAU by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Homebake 2011 - Architecture in Helsinki by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


If she has been doing this 'professionally' for 5 years, surely the 3 Songs No Flash rule as the absolute norm/unspoken rule would have sunk into her head by now. Sheesh. I don't blame Matisyahu for getting angry, at all.

I don't think I even take a flash to gigs I'm shooting anymore...

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


psylent posted:

Ugh. I just had to reject an offer to shoot PJ Harvey.

The Australians here will be familiar with Faster Louder - I put my hand up to shoot PJ's Sydney show tonight weeks ago, and they finally sent me details about it yesterday. Three songs from the sound booth and then escorted from the venue. Of course, they also want me to get lots of "social pics".

gently caress that noise. If I'm shooting for free I should at least be able to stay for the whole show. It'll probably mean that they won't use me again for anything, but it's just not worth my time.

Wow at least you got the opportunity. The media place I asked to shoot for got rejected outright - also heard a few (major-ish) other media outlets were 'no' as well.

Also gently caress shooting from the sounddesk. Especially the State Theatre - just too far away Good call.

edit: also Beth Orton was the same thing. Got to shoot that but it was from the back, with great purple and red lighting

Nilson fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2012 around 05:49

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


psylent posted:

In Sydney there's so many live music photographers happy to shoot for free that it's pretty much impossible to get paid for it unless it's a corporate gig and you're being paid by the show's sponsor.

Absolutely agreed. Its the norm now to not be paid for work. Which is absolute bullshit. I really wish media places would be a little more selective with their shooters and pay them, rather than let everyone do everything for free (looking at you, FL... ). Perfect world, I guess

Anyone here get BDO accred? I'm still waiting to hear whether I get to shoot Röyksopp' sideshow at the Enmore.

Nilson fucked around with this message at Jan 23, 2012 around 01:13

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


psylent posted:

Let me know if they're looking for any shooters in Sydney

same here!!!

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


......JEALOUS! Looked awesome!

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


two recent shots:


Portugal. The Man - Metro Theatre, Sydney by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


The Drums - Metro Theatre, Sydney by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Yay Laneway Sideshows! For those who don't get to shoot the actual festival.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole posted:

Seriously, they just skipped Brisbane. gently caress YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

yeah was a bit of a crap thing to do, skipping so many places Laneway was going to. I used to live up there a while back; even felt compelled to travel back to Sydney for a few gigs when I heard certain bands were skipping Brissy. My condolences

Am shooting Sydney Soundwave though . Still got to confirm Future Music...

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


That last one of the drummer is a great shot!!

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole posted:

Just as a headsup to any shooters covering Marilyn Manson in Aus, Soundwave just sent out an email that all professional photographers have been stricken off the guestlist. I wish there was a NEX body with a pancake 300mm 2.8 zoom.

I would love to see that actually... I have visions of it being a mini Sigmonster-type lens.

Hm. drat, at least I still get to shoot a bit of it today at Soundwave. (I hope..? Anyone run into any issues in Brissy yesterday?)

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


drat it I was really looking forward to getting some MM shots surprised Limp Bizkit are not allowing shooters. Then again I only had them on the To Shoot list so I could go laugh at Fred Durst ..

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Yeah I've heard about Andrew WK. Only seen/shot him at a festival once and even then it was insane.

Shot Lostprophets a few nights ago:

Lostprophets by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Lostprophets by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr


Lostprophets by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Their support was Kids in Glass Houses.
I fear I may have skidded on the Clarity with this one. Oh well.


Kids in Glass Houses by AsparayPhotos, on Flickr

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole Parklife shooter buddy!


The Presets


Presets Crowd


Chairlift


Passion Pit

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole where were they taken? I shot them at Homebake last weekend - wish they'd been as animated as they look there. The lead guy spent half the first 3 songs with his back to the audience.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011



They made you shoot from the sound desk?

E: being at the people who made that rule, not you somnambulist...

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


drat. I'll have to remember to rent a decent zoom next time they're here.

Although I have seen images shot on this tour from the front pit, which gives me some hope. The last stage design was restrictive due to moving cameras on dollys at the front of the stage.

(Sorry, I'm a bit of a fan. Spent 5 gigs on the barrier last time they were down here. Lame, I know. )

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


drat they look so young in those last ones. The film with red light looks pretty neat.

Content:

Shot Big Day Out here a week or so ago


Childish Gambino


Flea from the Chili Peppers...


Phil Jamieson from Grinspoon

And just because I like playing around with the 8-14mm fisheye occasionally...


Sydney Big Day Out.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Oh damnit. Can't unsee that now...

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Shot The Presets (again!) Home Sydney crowd going mad. So drat good.


The Presets - Enmore Theatre


The Presets - Enmore Theatre


The Presets - Enmore Theatre


The Presets - Enmore Theatre


The Presets - Enmore Theatre

This will be the 3rd time I've seen/shot them in about 6 months. Oops.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I saw Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds tonight at the Sydney Opera House. Wasn't technically shooting (as you might have guessed from the pic), but I got my 5dII and 35mm in there anyway. Just couldn't let an awesome thing like a Bad Seeds gig go undocumented.



Not my finest hour of photography but holy poo poo was this gig suddenly in my top 5 ever? Oh yes

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


Nice shots!!

I really, really want that 35mm Sigma like nothing else . Seriously. I had the old 30mm when I was still using a crop-sensor, and goddamn. My favourite piece of glass BY FAR. It's perfect for intimate gig spaces and terrible lights.

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


If you're shooting candid crowd stuff, the 50mm will (should!) be fine as is. If you need to shoot social crowd shots then a flash probably isn't a bad idea - but you don't have to get the full pro version from the start. I have a very old Canon 430ex from years ago that's still kicking - and there's a few cheaper knock-off brands around anyway that are fine for occasional use too.

CONTENT: I got lucky with some strobes the other night...

Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


MMD3 posted:

Where'd you see them? These guys are old friends of mine from back in my early days of concert photography, wish they were coming through here on their current tour, they don't play stateside very often these days

They played here in Sydney last week - they were playing "1977" in full. Was pretty awesome actually.

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Nilson
Sep 2, 2011


I, Butthole posted:

Just got word that I can shoot NIN. My bucket list (outside of a Beatle; I'm not fussy, just whatever one I can get) is now done.


So how did it go?? I was at the Sydney NIN/QOTSA gig (not shooting, just a punter). Keen to see how people went with that fabulous red strobe they had at the beginning

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