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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000

Slavvy posted:

I'd place Yamaha only slightly behind Honda as far as Japanese makes go.
Consumer Reports places them ahead of Honda. I would too, from a mechanic's perspective. Honda does a lot of stupid poo poo with their designs, Yamaha less so.

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BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
I listed it for sale. I also registered for a trackday on Sunday. Seems like a legit plan.

BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Sep 18, 2014

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
"never been raced"

BlackMK4
Aug 23, 2006

wat.
Megamarm
Technically true :v:

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
Finished installing the clutch cable. But I failed at finding/making something that would reduce the vertical slop in the lever. Oh well, business as usual.

Throttle cables were easy too. Added some grease to the throttle tube.

Both controls now have action that I would characterize as "snappy". Which means I'm going to have to re learn how to ride it.

Tomorrow is oil change and adjust the primary chain day. Friday is pack Buell day. Saturday begins "I hope the Jardine doesn't explode" week.

Marv Hushman
Jun 2, 2010

Freedom Ain't Free
:911::911::911:

clutchpuck posted:

But I failed at finding/making something that would reduce the vertical slop in the lever. Oh well, business as usual.

What the hell, HD couldn't share their vertical slop eliminator technology? It's a piece of curved plastic mounted to the underside of the lever. In a pinch, a guitar pick will get 'er done.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Consumer Reports places them ahead of Honda. I would too, from a mechanic's perspective. Honda does a lot of stupid poo poo with their designs, Yamaha less so.

A lot of people were complaining about new Yamahas a few years ago - I've no personal experience myself but the consensus seemed to be that they'd got a bit complacent with QA, with fit and finish and stuff like cables and wiring in particular suffering. I've no idea if that was just a perception thing like it was with French cars in the nineties or if there was an actual issue, but I have a few friends who claim they'll never buy another Yamaha after being let down by really stupid poo poo like broken clutch cables and shorts caused/exacerbated by silly wire routing.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Geirskogul posted:

I always seem to have vehicles that work "just so." And, my attitude towards them is, to quote Jeremy Clarkson on British Leyland, "That'll do." Everything I do is "that'll do." For instance, my 1979 CB650 has a clogged accelerator pump after I synced the carburetors. I know for a fact it's the accelerator pump, and all I need to do is drop the carb bowl, clean the swollen, gelatinous RTV out of it, and reinstall for perfect operation. But, since syncing the carbs, all the clogged accelerator pump means right in this very moment is that I can't do a wheelie anymore, and it bogs a tiny bit at lower/mid (1/8 to 1/3) throttle positions, and that it takes awhile to start as I can't spray any fuel directly into the intake to give it a go.

That's fine. I'll tackle it when I have a free weekend, which is getting rarer and rarer these days. For now, whenever my fiancee needs to ride it to work (it's technically her bike), I start it up an hour or so before she leaves and I let it warm up and get fuel in all of the right places, and it starts right up for her.

In another example, I posted in my beetle thread about some dimpled marine vinyl installation I did on the dash panels. No doubt, they now look 100x better than the bare rusted sheet metal. Also, no doubt, there's a long way I could go to making them look better if I wanted to re-do the project, and it's only an hour-long project, so I could spend an afternoon and fix it.

In both examples, I have improved the bike/car significantly with little downside, but there is a bit of refining that could be done to make everything 100%. Sometimes, though, I'm content with 90% and a few free hours to actually enjoy what I've done.

I'm probably a horrible person.

You're me. I once had an ignition barrel on a lovely daihatsu charade jam in a supermarket parking lot. I smashed the barrel and hotwired the car. A replacement barrel would literally have been twenty bucks from a wrecker. Instead I just kept hotwiring the car for the next four months until I sold it.

I have to re-synch my TB's since I took out my PAIR system. It would take me half an hour and make the bike nicer to ride. But meeeeeeh it's good enough right now. Maybe next weekend.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Consumer Reports places them ahead of Honda. I would too, from a mechanic's perspective. Honda does a lot of stupid poo poo with their designs, Yamaha less so.

I'm inclined to agree, somewhat. I think the fit and finish and overall parts quality on hondas is just stellar but their engineering, especially on their latest bikes, is just absolutely infuriating. I've never had to remove the tank, the ecu, half the wiring and the subframe just to fit a loving tail tidy before. Everything is pointlessly crammed together and then bolted to everything else.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

A lot of people were complaining about new Yamahas a few years ago - I've no personal experience myself but the consensus seemed to be that they'd got a bit complacent with QA, with fit and finish and stuff like cables and wiring in particular suffering. I've no idea if that was just a perception thing like it was with French cars in the nineties or if there was an actual issue, but I have a few friends who claim they'll never buy another Yamaha after being let down by really stupid poo poo like broken clutch cables and shorts caused/exacerbated by silly wire routing.

Definitely a perception thing I think, I've never heard or seen anything bad about Yamaha outside the internet. They seem to have corporate lapses every once in a while (like the overstated R6 redline thing) but so does literally every company ever; Suzuki are a soviet tractor factory by comparison.

As a side note, French cars in the nineties wasn't a perception thing - they were legitimately garbage and remain so to this day.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Slavvy posted:

As a side note, French cars in the nineties wasn't a perception thing - they were legitimately garbage and remain so to this day.

Yeah but it's an interesting example of perception because while all three manufacturers had (provable) equivalent failure rates, people always considered Renault to be bulletproof, Citroen to be so-so and Peugeot to be worse than Satan.

(It's particualrly interesting when you look at stuff like the JD Power results for, say, the VW Sharan/Seat Alhambra/Ford Galaxy, where they all come out of the same factory with only cosmetic differences but have wildly different satisfaction ratings and perceived reliability issues)

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Pffft every mechanic knows that the reliability scale is thus:

Toyota Honda Nissan

Mitsubishi Mazda Subaru

Gm Ford BMW Mercedes

VAG

All french cars

Chrysler

All italian cars

Ending my derail now :v:

Nidhg00670000
Mar 26, 2010

We're in the pipe, five by five.
Grimey Drawer
Extra fun is the Peugeot 107/Citroen C1/Toyota Aygo thing. All three are being made by the same people, in the same factory, from the same components, only with some badge engineering done. They're the same loving car! And yet the Aygo consistently ranks much higher, and the C1 lower, than the 107 in all reliability rating I see.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Slavvy posted:

Pffft every mechanic knows that the reliability scale is thus:

Toyota Honda Nissan

Mitsubishi Mazda Subaru

Gm Ford BMW Mercedes

VAG

All french cars

Chrysler

All italian cars

Ending my derail now :v:

1998 wants its stereotypes back.

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH
Got my new windscreen today to replace the old broken one. Needed to drill 2 extra holes, but the 2 lovely plastic popnails that came with it didn't work at all. Off to buy some proper plastic pop nails with alu stems tomorrow. I didn't take a picture :(

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard

Chichevache posted:

Even the smug sense of self-satisfaction that comes with not doing anything "disgusting"?

That's pleasurable?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Geirskogul posted:

1998 wants its stereotypes back.

Sorry I forgot to put Korean cars in there at the mitsu level. They aren't outdated stereotypes, I work on cars less than a decade old every day. It still holds true, though Toyota and BMW have both slipped backward quite dramatically in the past few years.

Bugdrvr
Mar 7, 2003

Nidhg00670000 posted:

Extra fun is the Peugeot 107/Citroen C1/Toyota Aygo thing. All three are being made by the same people, in the same factory, from the same components, only with some badge engineering done. They're the same loving car! And yet the Aygo consistently ranks much higher, and the C1 lower, than the 107 in all reliability rating I see.

I think a lot of that has to do with the dealership side of things. When I first started working at Acura back in 2000 (I'm old) we worked on a ton of SLXs which were rebadged, optioned up Izuzu Troopers. The Trooper had a horrible reliability rating but the SLX was pretty high. I'm pretty sure it came down to the fact that Acura techs are very well trained and have attention to detail that was lacking in most Izuzu dealers. Even though they were a pain in the rear end to work on and were completely different than anything else we had, they were fixed right the first time and wouldn't leave the shop otherwise.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Bugdrvr posted:

I think a lot of that has to do with the dealership side of things. When I first started working at Acura back in 2000 (I'm old) we worked on a ton of SLXs which were rebadged, optioned up Izuzu Troopers. The Trooper had a horrible reliability rating but the SLX was pretty high. I'm pretty sure it came down to the fact that Acura techs are very well trained and have attention to detail that was lacking in most Izuzu dealers. Even though they were a pain in the rear end to work on and were completely different than anything else we had, they were fixed right the first time and wouldn't leave the shop otherwise.

The trooper/bighorn/horizon is one of those cars where you can get a good one and it'll go forever and take any abuse you can throw, or you get a lemon one and everything goes wrong despite your efforts.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Slavvy posted:

As a side note, French cars in the nineties wasn't a perception thing - they were legitimately garbage and remain so to this day.

Spoken as someone who's clearly never owned a French car :rolleyes:

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

EX250 Type R posted:

What I did to my ride: Put new chain adjusters on the xr100

What my ride did to me:



I pinched the tip of it between the swing arm and the wheel while pulling the axle and my finger split right where it meets the finger nail.
Late to the party, but I did a similar thing when I sliced my finger open on the sharp edge of a telecom rack a few years ago.. New building, first aid stations not installed yet, not even toilet paper in the bathrooms.

I cut a strip off one of my socks and wrapped it with electrical tape. :v:

Bugdrvr
Mar 7, 2003

Awhile back I reached into my toolbox to grab something and shoved the tip of my finger onto a razor blade that I'd carelessly tossed into the top drawer.

There is still a meandering trail of blood drops on the floor where I walked around trying to find a clean cloth to wrap it up in. I ended up fashioning a bandage out of a restaurant napkin and sponge bob duck tape.

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH
Changed fork oil instead of doing a valve clearance check because of this..



gently caress..

I'm not quite sure on how to attack it. it's soft aluminium. I think I'll try with a better 10mm hex socket, and impact driver, + heat on the outside, and get a 12mm hex socket too.

New covers are avaliable and are pretty cheap, so I'm more concerned about getting it out than preserving it in any way.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Yeah, I don't think there's much point in keeping that cover, since regardless of how you take it off you're just going to have the same problem every time you have to check the valves in the future too.

Maybe drill a pair of holes in it and use a pin spanner? (Or if you don't have a pin spanner, weld two nails to a piece of pipe)

Marxalot
Dec 24, 2008

Appropriator of
Dan Crenshaw's Eyepatch

Supradog posted:



gently caress..



Dremel a slot and use a really large flathead screwdriver?

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?
My thought. Gotta be real careful, slow and smooth with the flat head

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Why can't you take the casing off and deal with it off the bike?

monsterzero
May 12, 2002
-=TOPGUN=-
Boys who love airplanes :respek: Boys who love boys
Lipstick Apathy
Last week I pulled my Zuma's carb to fix a leak in the crank/needle cover. In trying to re-prime it I must have overworked the starter, because that went from fine, to only works in the afternoon to (today) nothing at all. It also turns out that the kick pinion gear was sufficiently worn that it doesn't engage reliably and also requires replacement.
Checking the starter gave me a great opportunity to strip everything off the back of the scoot and see that this doesn't have an Athena BBK on it like the PO claimed, but an Airsal kit. And the carb is stock (not upgraded like he claimed), jetting included.
Time to drink while I wait for ebay parts to ship from Taiwan. :ughh:

ephphatha
Dec 18, 2009




I got to spend a few hours looking for some half-threaded m6x50 bolts to replace the two that rattled out of my case saver/chain guard somewhere in a forest half an hour from home. Turns out they're rare as hens teeth, had to settle for m6x45 which go plenty deep enough, they should be fine. At least I managed to recover the chain guard and the plastic cover was too big to fall out past my boot so that lasted till I noticed it.

Had a nice lunch in the forest though.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Ephphatha posted:

I got to spend a few hours looking for some half-threaded m6x50 bolts to replace the two that rattled out of my case saver/chain guard somewhere in a forest half an hour from home. Turns out they're rare as hens teeth, had to settle for m6x45 which go plenty deep enough, they should be fine. At least I managed to recover the chain guard and the plastic cover was too big to fall out past my boot so that lasted till I noticed it.

Had a nice lunch in the forest though.

I was typing up a huge post telling you about McMaster-Carr and telling you just to order the bolts from there, but then I noticed that you said they were half-threaded. McMaster has m6x50 316 and 18-8 stainless bolts but they're fully-threaded instead of half-threaded. The only half-threads I can find are in 45 or 70mm. Whoever made your dirtbike must hate you to put such a weird bolt on there. Or they knew it would shake out and are trying to get you to come to the dealer. :tinfoil:



gently caress 'em and get a fully-threaded bolt from McMaster-Carr anyways. Wait 2 days, get a delivery, use the right length. They basically saved my dumb rear end when my VFR bolts all rattled out and I was looking for a replacement that did not require me to saw off any limbs as a method of payment.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.
Replaced lovely 50-50 front tire with a Full Bore something or other street tire. Feels much more maneuverable now.

Retarted Pimple
Jun 2, 2002

Changed the oil and did the string thing on the back tire, the ol' Mk.1 eyeball method was off by about 3/4" at the front forks. Bifocals suck btw.

Minkee
Dec 20, 2004

Fat Chicks Love Me
Put on new Suzuki tank decals.

Here4DaGangBang
Dec 3, 2004

I beat my dick like it owes me money!
How does the string method work if you have casings and whatnot which stick out of the bike and interfere with the string? It doesn't seem it would work on my bike so I use a caliper to measure certain parts on each side of the swingarm.

Retarted Pimple
Jun 2, 2002

Put the sidestand on a piece of 2x4, so the bike's about level and use a piece of duct tape to keep the string in place low enough on the tire so it's below any problem parts.

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
Ordered a new used muffler. This is one of those cut up stock mufflers that basically de-Buellify the cleverly engineered stock muffler and make them louder. So I guess I'm keeping my potato potato.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Are you going to clean it before install? Or is all that poo poo 'character'?

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
I am pretty sure that's a bunch of high temp engine paint that somebody rattle can'd on. I think I might hit it with some colored engine paint so it is as goofy as possible. Not sure how much it matters, that's the bike's new jack point.

its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord
I was going to buy a Two-Brothers Juice Box, but I wanted to make sure there weren't other things more important to do. Looks like I already need a new rear brake pad, and I need to replace my plugs (I'd say ~30,000 miles is a pretty good run for standard copper plugs). My caliper seal on the rear is swollen again, too, so I'll have go clean all that out and lube it back up.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Pope Mobile posted:

I was going to buy a Two-Brothers Juice Box, but I wanted to make sure there weren't other things more important to do. Looks like I already need a new rear brake pad, and I need to replace my plugs (I'd say ~30,000 miles is a pretty good run for standard copper plugs). My caliper seal on the rear is swollen again, too, so I'll have go clean all that out and lube it back up.

Thrill me, what does this mean?

clutchpuck
Apr 30, 2004
ro-tard
It's like half of a fuel controller. Think Power Commander but instead of doing two things with precision (adding and removing fuel at specific parts of the rpm/throttle map) it hamfists one thing (adding fuel only across certain ranges of rpm adjusted by potentiometer adjustments). Usually they work pretty well on an EPA-tuned bike.

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its all nice on rice
Nov 12, 2006

Sweet, Salty Goodness.



Buglord

clutchpuck posted:

It's like half of a fuel controller. Think Power Commander but instead of doing two things with precision (adding and removing fuel at specific parts of the rpm/throttle map) it hamfists one thing (adding fuel only across certain ranges of rpm adjusted by potentiometer adjustments). Usually they work pretty well on an EPA-tuned bike.

Yep. But I may as well start saving for a PC while I'm not getting the JB.

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