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ProfessorCirno posted:So, basically, all of this stuff is "But they get to do/have/go up at X...and I wanna too. Why can't I have it?" To quote Veruca Salt, "I want it NOW, daddy!" <stomp feet and pout>.
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I like different XP progressions. I can't see how they could be confusing to people of normal intelligence. But more importantly, holy crap a lot of people play D&D without XP. I think of XP as quite an important component of the fun the game brings on its own, irrespective of the people around the table making stuff up to entertain each other. Playing D&D without XP seems to me analogous to moving a car around with your own feet, like the cars on the Flintstones.
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Feb 29, 2012 12:45
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quote:Interestingly the 4e essentials warlock described it as using a pact to trick power from the infernal beings - so not a supplicant to a power giver, but a potentially someone grey who has found a legal trick to wrest power from the other side and turn it to his causes. Well...that's all well and good, that they make it palatable like that...but does that speak to the "archetype" of a fantasy "warlock"? I have no problem with them being "grey"...but they will not/should not expect to always be so...cuz some infernal is holding their "soul" as collateral. A mortal ought not be able to "out deal/find a loophole" with a "devil". This is what devils DO. Even when it looks like its to your advantage, it's still to theirs...ultimately...somehow. An explanation with no "in-game" consequence is of no use to anyone. Well, other than the folks who have this "cake and eat it too/entitled" mentality...which I feel D&D should not be condoning or enforcing. Certainly not "defining" within a class. yes. It's a game. Yes. It's about "fun". If you want power in this fashion/to play a warlock...then have fun with it...with the obvious/necessary "pay back" at some point. Devil's don't make "losing" propositions (in the sense that a fantasy/mythical construct creature, like a devil, "does" anything). quote:I want a warlock that does more than just pay lip service to the idea that you forged a pact with some entity for power. Yeah, see...this. Entering into such a "pact" shouldn't just be "I wanna be a warlock and get these powers and in-game fun stuff...consequences?! Wut's is 'consequences'?" Again, my take on them...and why I do not use/have them [as PCs] in my games. --SD
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Feb 29, 2012 12:45
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None of the warlocks (or not in core, anyway; in Heroes of Shadow is fine) please? You can use some variant of wizard or sorcerer for the simple blaster mage, and the swordmage, bladesinger, and duskblade were all better takes on a gish class than the hexblade for a standard campaign (where people who cut deals with demons and devils are the villains).
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Feb 29, 2012 12:46
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2,800,000 million GP +170,000 GP in silver + 781 diamond encrusted dragon scales (average 7,000 GP each) for a total of 5,467,000 GP Total Hoard: 8,437,000 A Red Dragon has treasure of Triple Standard, which lets use easily see that 2,812,333.333 (repeating) is the standard value of Smaug's horde. Base treasure is 80,000 for an encounter of 20th + more major magic items. This means the major magic items in Smaug's horde came out to +67 on average! appropriate for a CR 42 encounter! This lets us calculate Smaug's Spot and Listen DCs; as a CR 42 Red Dragon. Starting at a Great Wyrm with 41 HD (CR 26) we continue and find that Smaug had about 60 HD. This would give him a wisdom of about 55, basing it on the Force Dragon in the Epic Level Handbook. +22 from stat, 63 from his level, giving him a +65 to spot and listen. Knowing this, we can calculate the One Ring's bonus to Hide and Move Silently checks! Bilbo was about level 6, with a +2 racial bonus to both skills and a 16 dexterity. That would give him a base of 5, +9 from skill points, or +14 to both checks. To beat Smaug's checks, we'd need at least a 51 realistically. BUT, Bilbo was talking and moving around! This would give him a -20 on the checks; meaning he the One Ring grants at least a +71 on Hide and Move Silently checks.
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Feb 29, 2012 12:52
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Mining some grog that's outside D&D but too good to pass up, the noble fighting game community:quote:“If you don’t like onions, you get your sandwich without onions on it, man. This is the fighting game community.” He then stated that sexual harassment and the fighting game community are “one and the same thing.” quote:“The sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, it’s not the fighting game community… it doesn’t make sense to have that attitude. These things have been established for years,” Aris stated. He then noted that making sexual jokes at StarCraft players would be inappropriate, so it’s unfair for anyone to tell fighting game fans they can’t viciously mock women. You can listen to the speech for yourself, the argument begins an hour and forty five minutes into the video. edit: vvvv poo poo, woops
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Feb 29, 2012 12:55
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That was posted on the last page, but it's still  enough to deserve a repost.e; however, to add more to this and also make it more relevant: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/aris-aris-bakhtanians-releases-statement-on-recent-comments/4007/ Aris Bakhtanians posted:What I was trying to communicate is that mild hostility has always been a defining characteristic of the fighting game scene. Back when arcades were more prevalent, people didn’t like newcomers, and players needed to fight and pay their dues to get respect. Literally grog.
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Feb 29, 2012 13:17
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When in Rome.quote:I wouldn't worry about it too much: there's a lot of baseless conjecture going on in this thread from people who haven't actually had any personal experiences with the scene, negative or otherwise. I suspect a lot of folks have tried a few fighting games here and there, found out they were bad at them (and/or weren't willing to put in the effort to really learning how to play), and then started displacing their frustrations onto the people who actually do know how to play. You and I have probably both had really positive experiences with the community, and do our best to help new players get into our hobby (provided they're genuinely interested in it), but it's the guys who can't be bothered to learn to do a fireball or leave the house to go play with some new faces who post things like.. well:
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Feb 29, 2012 13:41
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Yes, guy who loves talking about raping people over a video game, tell us more about displaced emotional responses.
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Feb 29, 2012 15:49
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Laphroaig posted:checks! Bilbo was about level 6, with a +2 racial bonus to both skills and a 16 Oh yeah, I remember that part
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Feb 29, 2012 16:11
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ProfessorCirno posted:Hi Mikan! Everyone thought I was you for awhile. This is a burden no one should bear. quote:Replace every instance of "Street Fighter" in there with "D&D", and you have pretty purestrain grog. If you look way earlier in the thread we did this when SF4 came out, and the parallels were uncanny. anyway, some grog: http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?616585-So-what-were-the-legitimate-complaints-with-Fourth-Edition Guess how many of the "legitimate complaints" are actually legitimate? (Hint: almost none) Also this whole Combat as War/Combat as Sport thing is new to me and apparently it's just the latest "Dissociated Mechanics" kind of bullshit for grogs to use while writing about hating 4e?
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Feb 29, 2012 16:12
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Mikan posted:Guess how many of the "legitimate complaints" are actually legitimate? (Hint: almost none) Also this whole Combat as War/Combat as Sport thing is new to me and apparently it's just the latest "Dissociated Mechanics" kind of bullshit for grogs to use while writing about hating 4e? Yeah, basically. It's just people going "oh, you new-school players play combat like a video game with your pushin' and your slidin' and your markin', while we hardcore old-school players feel the warzone all around us and struggle to survive" when really no, no they don't, we're all just sitting around a card table pretending to be wizards, shut the gently caress up.
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Feb 29, 2012 17:23
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Mikan posted:Also this whole Combat as War/Combat as Sport thing is new to me and apparently it's just the latest "Dissociated Mechanics" kind of bullshit for grogs to use while writing about hating 4e?
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Feb 29, 2012 17:28
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Mikan posted:This is a burden no one should bear. Dude what's up. Nice av. Our leading theory was that you'd been offed by the Mafia while in that jury trial and your corpse was buried in cement somewhere in New Jersey, so I'm glad to see that disproven. Edit: Also you're back in time for all the 5e grog, so don't worry about missing out on anything.
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Feb 29, 2012 17:31
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FactsAreUseless posted:there is no such thing as "progress" or "innovation." Gary Gygax perfected RPG design 40 years ago, pretty sure the OSR made this perfectly clear Benagain posted:Dude what's up. Nice av. Our leading theory was that you'd been offed by the Mafia while in that jury trial and your corpse was buried in cement somewhere in New Jersey, so I'm glad to see that disproven. whoa just because I'm back doesn't mean that didn't happen
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Feb 29, 2012 17:31
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Mikan posted:
I think it started with that D&D with Pornstars guy (Zak S.) writing a post about the differences of taking every fight head on (sport) versus doing a bunch of out-of-combat maneuvering and stuff to set up your chances of victory better (war). 4e does 'sport' better and 3e or some other earlier editions does 'war' better. I don't think it's a crazy observation in terms of how to approach combat in a game...but I think it's more that prior editions just did straight-up combat worse so everyone pretends it did the 'war' stuff better. Really it's just that tactical combat was un-enjoyable (in a game built from tactical minatures wargaming no less!) so everyone subliminally avoided it.
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Feb 29, 2012 17:56
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counterspin posted:Yes, guy who loves talking about raping people over a video game, tell us more about displaced emotional responses. Aaaaaaaaahhhhhh Aris is so loving dumb!! I wish I had a GIF maker so I can take the scenes from the first Monkey Island where Guybrush asks what ingredients are in Grog and instead of it being bilge water/blood/industrial cleaner it's made of Gygaxian Naturalism, Vancian Casting, Bad Game Rules, Dice Rolls, Misogyny, Anti-Social disorders....
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Feb 29, 2012 17:57
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DeclaredYuppie posted:that D&D with Pornstars guy (Zak S.) that dude writes some stupid poo poo this is actually pro-click because some of the RPGnet posters put forth the best defenses of 4e I've read  OldKentuckyShark and Dyser are the dudes I mean, they owned that thread. Also watching Zak S flip out over trying to defend "player skill"The companion thread was even dumber, but for the opposite reasons and it's pro-click too just to watch grogs fail to understand why people are asking them to say things that aren't lies or subjective nonsense
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Feb 29, 2012 18:01
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Mikan posted:that dude writes some stupid poo poo this is actually pro-click because some of the RPGnet posters put forth the best defenses of 4e I've read His Vornheim/Mournhiem/whatever city sourcebook is pretty cool IMO V  VOther than that yeah but then again outside of maybe Happyelf who hasn't written stupid stuff about RPGs? Really makes you think doesn't it~~~ Edit- Brennon
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Feb 29, 2012 18:06
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Dude could write the coolest setting ever (Iron Kingdoms) and that thread would still firmly put him in the writes stupid poo poo category
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Feb 29, 2012 18:10
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ProfessorCirno posted:I like different XP progressions. I can't see how they could be confusing to people of normal intelligence. Dear God. How deluded do you have to be that you think understanding that a fighter takes less experience to level up than a mage is a sign of outstanding intelligence?
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Feb 29, 2012 18:15
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Mikan posted:Dude could write the coolest setting ever (Iron Kingdoms) and that thread would still firmly put him in the writes stupid poo poo category Well I do agree since the guy who did write the coolest setting ever (Mike Mearls) is now letting Monte Cook literally rape D&D that setting writeup doesn't make someone not an idiot.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:18
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quote:The problem is that Hasbro/WOTC have terrible business practices and regard their customers as a base to be exploited as thoroughly as possible. I worked at an LGS at the time, so I got ALL the propaganda on how withholding classes and races made for better sales because that way the people who want those options HAVE to buy the new books. That lost me as a customer right there. You could argue that Paizo did the same thing with the Advanced Player's Guide, but they didn't leave out standards like the monk in the core book. Anyway, WOTC's attitude just rubbed me really hard the wrong way. quote:Read Appendix N! Because it helps if you know what D&D has always miserably failed to simulate!
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Feb 29, 2012 18:25
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Gau posted:Dear God. How deluded do you have to be that you think understanding that a fighter takes less experience to level up than a mage is a sign of outstanding intelligence? counterspin posted:Yes, guy who loves talking about raping people over a video game, tell us more about displaced emotional responses.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:26
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As I JUST told you, it does not matter who you are. There is no way for this spellthief to know if someone else is a spellcaster, except in the ways I have already described. It does not matter if he is a PC or an NPC. The only way he can be sure someone is a spellcaster is to see someone cast a spell. If you, as the DM, rule that wizards usually wear a long robe and a pointy hat, then that does not mean that every wizard wears those clothes, and it does not mean that everyone who wears them is a wizard. It's like in real life--not everyone who wears a police uniform is a police officer, and not every police officer wears a uniform. USUALLY, people in police uniforms are really police officers, and USUALLY police officers wear those uniforms. But spellcasters do not have a uniform. So this spellthief will actually have to think a little bit. Too bad for him.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:39
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DeclaredYuppie posted:I think it started with that D&D with Pornstars guy (Zak S.) writing a post about the differences of taking every fight head on (sport) versus doing a bunch of out-of-combat maneuvering and stuff to set up your chances of victory better (war). 4e does 'sport' better and 3e or some other earlier editions does 'war' better. I'm pretty sure the CaW/CaS thing wasn't Zak S.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:39
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A TPK to me means my players have failed. I, as a DM, am most proud when a Player tells me afterwards that their character deserved to die because of the stupid act they did. It means I did my job as a DM by not pulling punches, and that character's death actually meant something. I like to think TPK's are a great teaching tool. They force Players to realize that they're not going to win every battle. They can run, or not fight every creature. In fact, one of the things I tell my Players is that they don't need to fight everything to get XP. A lot of them failed to understand this initially. After the first PC death they realized that I meant what I said. They tangled with a creature min-maxed for hand-to-hand combat and they went in swinging, instead of fighting smart (none of them had a front-line fighter). I'm actually surprised that only one died, but they got lucky with some dice rolls and ran with their tails tucked between their legs.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:44
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Mikan posted:The companion thread was even dumber, but for the opposite reasons and it's pro-click too just to watch grogs fail to understand why people are asking them to say things that aren't lies or subjective nonsense Zak S is fascinating to me, because he can be pretty well-spoken and lay out his ideas interestingly, but as soon as someone disagrees with him or asks him to clarify something, he loses his poo poo. I do have to say, though, that Vornheim is one of the best city supplements I've ever read.
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Feb 29, 2012 18:48
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Evil Mastermind posted:Zak S is fascinating to me, because he can be pretty well-spoken and lay out his ideas interestingly, but as soon as someone disagrees with him or asks him to clarify something, he loses his poo poo. He should probably have just stuck mm3 on a business card in there, though.
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Mikan posted:This is a burden no one should bear. http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/317715-very-long-combat-sport-vs-combat-war-key-difference-d-d-play-styles.html Less "Dissociated Mechanics", more "GNS", the original article is not bad in itself but dear god the term is not even a month old and it is already a meaningless buzzword.
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