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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Out of curiosity, what would a D&D 5e even entail? I imagine we'd see some sort of revised fourth before we'd see a fifth edition, and I can't figure out what people think Wizards is going to put into a fifth edition. What exactly do they expect Wizards to do with 5e? "Well, we've listened to your concerns, so we've decided to go back to a more traditional style. We've gotten rid of skills and feats, and Elf is a class again. Now roll versus death."

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Evil Mastermind posted:

That's not to say that 5e might actually return to one or two old ideas; it's just not very likely since they clearly want to move the game forward, not backwards.
So serious question: Where exactly is there to take D&D now? Other than hypothetically to an interesting setting, but I don't see that happening. I guess I could see them taking 4e's strengths in being reskinnable and turning D&D into a GURPS-style generic system (but playable, hopefully).

Edit:

pawsplay posted:

Honestly? Probably a lot like 4e, but the core books would cover the heroic tier only, minions are adjusted to be less minion-y but still pure chewing satisfaction, and the million gp economy gets escorted to the nursing home. More design space is left for feats to cover stuff like being a landlord, playing the lute well, and so on, while not cluttering the core adventure game experience. Probably some loosening of the GSL, since otherwise, the grogn4rds will reverse engineer a lot of 4e using the OGL and WotC will find themselves competing with themselves again. But not too much loosening. More concrete guidance on skill challenges. Consolidation of some powers such that they can be re-used for a couple of different classes when it makes sense to do so. Codification of some story elements like curses of permanent polymorph or eternal sleep, probably linking them to the skill challenge mechanics in some way.

So basically something like a 4.5, possibly including an equivalent to d20 again?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

ProfessorCirno posted:

I'm actually seeing a lot of discontent over the two books on the Paizo forums - with a good number of people especially irate at how much wizard stuff is in UC.
I played in a Pathfinder campaign for a while, and the big appeals for our group were 1. It supposedly gave fighting classes a lot more options and helped deal with some of the balance issues, and 2. Nobody knew 4th Ed. well enough to run it. But a lot of the people I've known who play Pathfinder do so because it takes a ruleset they're familiar with and tries to fix some of its problems, not just because "4th Ed. isn't REAL D&D."

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Gau posted:

What the gently caress is this?
The most disappointing final boss in history.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

pawsplay posted:

Well, I was speaking more from a 21st century, pro-sex, pro-woman, anti-victim culture feminist stance, but I understand not everyone gets that background. I hope any female posters to the board do not feel I have demeaned them, definitely not my intention.
Except that the question of when sex is depicted as empowering vs. exploitative is still controversial even in the feminist community. You can't just claim "well my stance in favor of armor that emphasizes a woman's body is feminist and sex-positive so it's okay" when I could make an argument from a feminist perspective that, actually, that woman is being depicted that way not to empower her but instead to objectify her for the overwhelmingly male playerbase, in much the same way that "strong" female superheroes are still often depicted in antifeminist ways. So don't try pretending that your stance is somehow more progressive when the feminist community, who are not in fact a monolithic entity who all share the same opinions, are still divided over sexualized depictions of women.

(P.S. Boobarmor is not feminist, hope this helps.)

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Ettin posted:


First, get rid of all major racial advantages and level adjustments. The fact that racial superiority makes a man progress more slowly than racially inferior races is illogical. Logic dictates that those who are racially superior such as mind flayers and demons would progress faster. Rational animals of whatever race should have basically the same abilities with minor variations.

...

Seventh, and this is purely aesthetic, remove all racially ugly rational animals such as trolls, goblins etc. and some non-rational animals which are ugly by virtue of belonging to a particular species. The reason for this is because I don’t believe that God (to use a figure of speech, even though I don‘t believe in God), or Tao, or the Logos could create anything so ugly as trolls and goblins etc.

...

Second, get rid of all inherently good or evil races. This is pure racism.
I don't want anything racist in my D&D. But humans should level faster than inferior races and also we should get rid of all the ugly ones because rational thought decrees they shouldn't exist! I have here a chart of skull sizes and shapes that I believe will determine, using maximum science, the optimal mix of races.

Also I think this guy might be John Travolta's character from Battlefield Earth. Tenth, I will use my leverage against these man-animals.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Ettin posted:

All of that is from hunter99's latest thread.

Somehow, I'm not surprised.
I also just realized that his "Tenth" idea is just the way magic works in Mage. Which is a really fun way to do magic and would translate abysmally to D&D.

But I was relieved to discover that everyone on that forum thinks he's crazy too.

Edit: And then I turned the page and saw someone getting a "this is inappropriate" message for calling John Travolta out on his craziness. Because god forbid we make fun of racist idiots. That's mean. :(

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Ettin posted:

Wow. I translated that into English, and it still makes no sense.
He's saying the heroes doens't always win, at all, unless they use magic in the form of outsmarting a blind baron's daughter with fake mustaches.

it's a dangerous game, but fun!

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Darwinism posted:

This is just so adorable because in one way he's almost right, like Kleenex or such, but in he really seems to be saying that D&D actually belongs to nerds because they've been playing it.
Those dumb jocks at WotC can take our lunch money, but not the lunch money... in our hearts. :911:

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

LincolnSmash posted:

I remember I had a choice between running 3.5 and Exalted 2e once.

I went with Exalted.
Either way, the game only turns out well because you're having fun in spite of the system. At least Exalted is fun.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Benagain posted:

This thread devolved from being the grognards to being the scat enthusiasts startlingly fast.
We're just maximizing immersion with synergistic realism in a true player-driven role-playing-not-roll-playing traditional paradigm, the way Gary Gygax wanted.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Halloween Jack posted:

Did he mention that he's half-Japanese? Because he's half-Japanese and owns an ancestral katana or some poo poo. Presumably the other half is Irish and he has an ancestral chimney-tempered shillelagh.
I'm fairly certain this was a Dr. McNinja plot.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Wearsyourgodnow posted:

gently caress divinations. Especially when the party is faced with any sort of direction choice and the first instinct of two of the players is to break out the hand of fate ritual and ask where to go next. It's a goddamn fork in the tunnel, we pick left or right and if it doesn't get us where we need to go, we backtrack. Where's the fun in having every path laid out for you?
You mean you don't take any sort of divination spell as an opportunity to throw out mysterious prophetic visions to build tension and foreshadow? I generally encourage my players to take them. But I've never run D&D either, so their divination spells may be vastly more annoying than other games'.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Locus Cosecant posted:

Well Hand of Fate is just a hand that points at stuff. You can get infinite information out of it if you're smart, but in the sorts of cases envisioned by the stupid people who designed the spell, there isn't really much room for mystery or multiple interpretations.
Oh. That's a terrible spell. Why would you give players a spell like that? :(

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Locus Cosecant posted:

The Fourth Edition Of Dungeons And Dragons Was Rushed To Print To Meet A Publishing Deadline With A Negligent Disregard For Quality.
Is there a good official or fan errata somewhere? I enjoy 4th, but it seems like a game that has to be really carefully balanced.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Kerbtree posted:

Which the minority issues thread is already ripping a new one for having some bloody awful stuff in it.
Not advisable for tourists to visit the minority issues thread at night.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Pharmaskittle posted:

rolling a lot of dice is absolutely more fun, though
Play Exalted, roll forty dice in an attack, have it all negated by the stupid, stupid combat rules.

It is fun, though. I had everyone roll a handful of dice for one character's big climactic campaign-ending superattack on the final villain.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Squizzle posted:

and superhero comic sales are falling without any sort of end in sight.
I think this is a separate issue. Pen and paper gaming is facing a shrinking demographic. Superhero comics aren't, but they are facing two decades of mismanagement. I think, though, that both RPGs and superhero comics could probably boost their respective industries by drawing in a new generation. Neither are really accessible hobbies for kids.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Maxwell Lord posted:

(Gygax hated Tolkien)
Wait, what? Seriously? Tolkien basically defined the fantasy tropes that D&D is built on. Why did Gygax hate him?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

JohnnyCanuck posted:

Too bad it was severely outclassed by another space-station-based sci-fi show that was on around the same time... :colbert:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Fuego Fish posted:

Spend five minutes on Reddit and you realise that a lot of people who think they're progressive liberals are actually bigoted in ways you didn't even conceive of, pioneering new ways to be a smug, privileged, white college student who freaks out when a black person makes eye contact.
Privilege? That's just how you justify your reverse racism. I'm a real progressive, I believe in equality. :smug:

See also: I'm not a feminist, I'm an equalist.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Angry Diplomat posted:

having read through the entirety of that rambling diatribe, I wish to propose that we scrap all existing alignment systems and just use the following alignments: such a nice guy, nice guy, alright sort, jerk, huge jerk, and rogue trader.
What about Chaotic Neutral? Where will my wacky Malkavian sorcerer go? He's so wacky and random and he does what he wants so he must be Chaotic Neutral!

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

quote:

As far as 'adult' content goes it'll be PG/PG-13 rated for violence/swearing/depressing things like slavery but a hard 'R' for sexual content.
So... no graphic violence, you can only say "gently caress" once, you can have brief female full frontal, but no male frontal nudity, but all the big ol' tittays that you like, I guess. And maybe a tastefully done sex scene in silhouette or under a sheet. Good plan.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

yaoi prophet posted:

I can't imagine what it must be like to be willing to full out ERP face to face.
Pretty fantastic, if you use a critical hits deck.

"Roll Acrobatics"
"20"
"Nice! You do 2d6 lightning damage!"

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Thuryl posted:

I liked this sentence better before I realised that "crit fish" meant "fish for critical hits" and not "score critical hits against fish". Mostly because it immediately brought to mind the concept of a 3.5 Ranger whose favoured enemy was fish.
This is actually totally badass for an aquatic campaign. A grizzled Captain Ahab-style character, dual-wielding harpoons and kicking the poo poo out of giant squid or whatever.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

lighttigersoul posted:

Okay, then what skill would you roll to fish?
Bluff. "I caught a fish as big AS THE MOON!"

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Brother Entropy posted:

God, the amount of cognitive dissonance in this one sentence is so thick you can practically touch it.
I think this is why comics about D&D, like Order of the Stick, have a bunch of fourth wall-breaking jokes about how the characters know game mechanics. Because that's how these players think roleplaying actually works.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

I hope the prophecy is fulfilled soon and Wizards prints a fifth edition of Dungeons and Dragons so whatever this stupid argument is will go away.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Asimo posted:

That said, for all its flaws Exalted is a pretty good example of what a fantasy game really needs to do to stand out. A completely unique setting, rules that were quite a bit different from D&D, a theme that was quite a bit different from D&D, and so on. I mean it's still a wreck of a game in the end, but I just can't hate it due to that.
Exalted captures the themes and feel of Greek mythology better than any other game I've ever played. What it needs are players (and writers) who realize that its biggest influences are classical mythology, not anime. Seriously: the war with the Primordials, Autocthon, pretty much everything with the Solars, all Greek. It's so much more fun when you realize that you're not Goku, you're Odysseus.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Asimo posted:

Granted the system was always a goddamn mess, because Storyteller is loving horrible for anything above street-level themes, but that's an unrelated topic.
Just use Zeal and declare that the system is no longer broken.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

The Aberrant posted:

How he thinks running a disgusting, poor written, and sexist setting like Gor is in any way appropriate for kids is beyond me, even if he isn't going to mention all the rape.
So, what, you want those kids to grow up to be a buncha pussies?!

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

The Aberrant posted:

I want them to grow up the right way, by desensitizing them to even the most brtual acts of violence. :clint:
Just like American hero John Waynald Reagan. :911:

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

chrisoya posted:

4thcore! :downs:
I always preferred 4thwave, myself.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

quote:

My “Calling Fate” rule was a direct result of that earlier GM destroying my supposedly unbreakable artifact. I was infuriated when I saw other referees break the rules and be punitive to players simply to “keep them down.” So I created a rule that I believed would ensure that the referee played fair. After running tens of thousands of games during my past thirty plus years of gaming, I have learned that oftentimes the rules need be bent to keep the scenario unbroken and enjoyable. And that’s the whole bloody point: fun. Not punishment and torment … FUN. I wonder if some people really get that, especially referees.
"And when I say the rules, I mean the GM's rules. Not the rulebook. Nobody's allowed to disagree with the rulebook: that's in the rulebook. I don't make mistakes. Now who wants to learn Venderant Nalaberong?" -- Raven "Computer Science" McCracken

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

The core formula, my titanite formula, must equate to things like the calories required to change the temperature of a gram of water plus or minus one degree centigrade and the energy’s relationship to Joules. The formula must also equate damage from things like heat versus physical force or pressure.

I do believe I have discovered this formula. The simple math will fit the PPMT, match the Calories and Joules ratio and be solid even if extrapolated to the point of a character burning clusters of stars, or even a quasar, in a pan-dimensional supernova stardrive. Fifteen-foot samurai, indeed …

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Drox posted:

Having communed with the spirits of both gygax and plato, I have determined the Ideal Form of Role Playing Games, described as follows:
I would totally play an RPG in a cave, all making shadow puppets of my badass fighter, all rolling d20 to discern the nature of truth.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Pharmaskittle posted:

I think it might be better that I don't understand German, that was hilarious. Especially dude's righteous laugh at the book-burning.
For me it was the swelling Hallelujah at that same point.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

lighttigersoul posted:

So what is it with people invoking 'fantasy archetypes' as an argument against roles? I'm pretty sure fantasy archetypes are an argument for roles in a fantasy RPG.
Fuckin' Chad from fourth period fighters are there to support the casters, just like in fantasy novels. Remember how Gandalf single-handedly won all the fights in Lord of the Rings? If you go around having them actually fight and kill monsters it turns into roll-playing, not role-playing.

...Verisimilitude.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Meepo posted:


"Caster Supremacy" would be a good title for a BDSM movie, though.

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FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Rasamune posted:

Who would you get to play Mistress Caster?
Meryl Streep. :3: