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Fuzzy Dunlop has always been one of my favorite characters on the show.
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Jingleheimer posted:Fuzzy Dunlop has always been one of my favorite characters on the show. He burnt out rather than fade away, he got great solid information for a very brief period of time but then he was gone like a kid's tennis ball on the school roof. Bubbles on the other hand, now THERE is a CI to aspire to - a hosed up, drugged out, needle sharing, thieving homeless guy to aspire to!
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| # ? May 1, 2009 00:57 |
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Ghost Captain posted:Season Five he sells out TO Levy. Except that didn't actually happen- Herc didn't know that the wiretap was illegal. He assumed Carver would put it through the right avenues I guess. He happened to tell Levy, but not with the intention of revealing the shady tap. Season Five/series finale spoilers. Yeah, you're right. What gets me about Herc is that he's just too stupid to realise what he's doing, like when he inadvertently lets slip that Randy snitched. Actually, come to think of it, Randy's story arc is one of the most depressing - although it has stiff competition...
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| # ? May 1, 2009 01:11 |
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El Zilcho posted:Season Five/series finale spoilers. Season 4 spoiler: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean that Randy's depressing life was Herc's fault? Sorry for making the thread more cluttered if you aren't here yet.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 03:01 |
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Jingleheimer posted:Season 4 spoiler: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean that Randy's depressing life was Herc's fault? As we often see in the Wire, there is no ONE thing that fucks over somebody's life, just stuff that makes things worse than they were already.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 03:05 |
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One thing newbies should keep in mind is that it's one of the funniest shows around, especially once you've gotten to know and love the characters. The little moments are many if you pay attention. Yes, it also has plenty of bleak drama, but the creators knew that humor was the only way to balance the generally cynical tone of the show. I have the feeling that a lot of people pass it over because they don't want to see another cop drama, so they end up missing some great, black-as-night humor. Also, this show elevates vulgar dialogue to an artform. Plus, Obama loves the show and his fave character is Omar.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 04:26 |
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That reminds of the scene in season one when they're trying to move the desk through the door. It's one of the funniest scenes I've ever seen, especially when you consider these geniuses are trying to take down the biggest drug kingpin in Baltimore.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 04:29 |
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As far as hilarious scenes go, I remember laughing so hard the first time I saw this (from season 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
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SlipkPIe posted:As far as hilarious scenes go, I remember laughing so hard the first time I saw this (from season 1): A scene from Season 4, but no spoilers that I can think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDIi0dzmvpE
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| # ? May 1, 2009 05:33 |
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the_psychologist posted:Plus, Obama loves the show and his fave character is Omar. It would mean so much more to me if his favorite character were Bunny Colvin.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 11:46 |
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Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but it's the Rosetta Stone and the Holy Grail wrapped up in awesomeness - The Wire show bible, charting out the first season. All of what made the show is already there, but with some interesting changes, most notably the character names. Thank God for whomever changed McCardle to McNulty, Aaron Barksdale to Avon, and most importantly Stringy Bell to Stringer. Enjoy!
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torsloke posted:Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but it's the Rosetta Stone and the Holy Grail wrapped up in awesomeness - The Wire show bible, charting out the first season. All of what made the show is already there, but with some interesting changes, most notably the character names. Thank God for whomever changed McCardle to McNulty, Aaron Barksdale to Avon, and most importantly Stringy Bell to Stringer. Enjoy! 
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| # ? May 1, 2009 20:30 |
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hahahaha Stringy Bell.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 20:35 |
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Wow Herc was going to be an anabolic steroid user and Stringer was supposed to be less "polished" and much older than Avon. Crazy stuff, this is great.
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| # ? May 1, 2009 21:59 |
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While it's not 100% as to what the final product was, it's pretty drat close.
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torsloke posted:Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but it's the Rosetta Stone and the Holy Grail wrapped up in awesomeness - The Wire show bible, charting out the first season. All of what made the show is already there, but with some interesting changes, most notably the character names. Thank God for whomever changed McCardle to McNulty, Aaron Barksdale to Avon, and most importantly Stringy Bell to Stringer. Enjoy! I like how in the character descriptions everyone has a name except for Bunk, he's just "The Bunk".
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Thematically, one of the biggest changes between this draft and the the finished product is the way that cops hurt the detail's case. In this original version, both Herc and Santangelo betray their establishment with illegal activity and leaks. In the actual series, you don't see any "bent cops" like that - the people who hurt the detail are people like Carver, who is ignoring chain of command but not doing anything else wrong. The exception being whatever the deputy has over Daniels, but even that is a lot more subtle. It makes the show much more about the institutions being broken than bad apples in those institutions, which is much more powerful. I do like how the first episode is almost exactly the same, apart from a bit of reworking for Dee. The same could be said about the ending of the series in the draft - although the scenes play out a little different in the show, people pretty much end up in the same places.
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| # ? May 2, 2009 20:01 |
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Heavy_D posted:In this original version, both Herc and Santangelo betray their establishment with illegal activity and leaks. In the actual series, you don't see any "bent cops" like that - the people who hurt the detail are people like Carver, who is ignoring chain of command but not doing anything else wrong. The exception being whatever the deputy has over Daniels, but even that is a lot more subtle. It makes the show much more about the institutions being broken than bad apples in those institutions, which is much more powerful. I dunno, I remember the reason The Greek didn't get caught in season 2 was that he had a higher-up in the FBI on speed-dial. That's the only bit that seemed a bit contrived/The Departed to me.
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| # ? May 2, 2009 20:22 |
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Just started getting into season 1, this show is loving sweet. I especially enjoy it since I just started living in Baltimore a couple summers ago.
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Chamberk posted:I dunno, I remember the reason The Greek didn't get caught in season 2 was that he had a higher-up in the FBI on speed-dial. That's the only bit that seemed a bit contrived/The Departed to me. The fed he had a connection to used to be FBI and then became homeland security. Jimmy's FBI friend said he thought maybe The Greek was involved in assisting the government on some terrorism related case and that got him off for anything else he did. I don't think they ever really made it clear if that was true or not. It does make sense though, Washington around 2003 would gladly have let a mass-murdering drug lord do his thing if they thought it might get them a few more Arabs in Gitmo. And if the fed really was just a friend of the greek or on his payroll, he probably still could have ended the investigation with one phone call by saying "Homeland Security." Adam Bowen fucked around with this message at May 2, 2009 around 21:59 |
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If you remember he also tipped him off on that huge Colombian drug seize, too.
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| # ? May 2, 2009 22:46 |
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If I'm remembering right (and it's very possible I'm not!) I thought that the FBI agent was sending a message to some former contact of his in another office who he didn't know had moved on. When they arrived and the guy wasn't there, it was just sent around to EVERYBODY in the office including the guy who was working for/with The Greek. That's why when the FBI guy figured out that the leak was coming from their side, he had no way of discovering WHO it was, because there were hundreds or possibly thousands of sources.
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| # ? May 2, 2009 23:21 |
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No, he knew who it was, because he phoned to speak to the guy and got told he was working Homeland Security in DC now, not the San Diego office he originally thought. They couldn't do anything because the Greek was probably an informant.
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Okay, but I still thought the guy who moved to Homeland Security was a different guy to the one who kept tipping off The Greek, I guess this means I'm just going to HAVE to rewatch Season 2 all over again, darn it, what a horrible situation I find myself in, gosh.
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| # ? May 2, 2009 23:58 |
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Yeah I think the FBI agent was looking for info on The Greek and his associates, and their names were flagged to alert the Homeland Security guy if anyone looked for info on them. When he saw who it originated from he called and tricked the FBI guy into believing he was FBI as well, when he had actually moved on to Homeland Security.
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| # ? May 3, 2009 00:11 |
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I don't think he was moved to homeland security, just FBI that got transferred to DC. I don't remember them ever saying he was part of homeland. When special agent Fitzew get's his phone call transferred from the San Diego office the person says he was transferred to the DC counter terrorism unit. FBI does anti-terror work too.
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Fragmented posted:I don't think he was moved to homeland security, just FBI that got transferred to DC. I don't remember them ever saying he was part of homeland. When special agent Fitzew get's his phone call transferred from the San Diego office the person says he was transferred to the DC counter terrorism unit. FBI does anti-terror work too. Just checked it up on Wikipedia, yeah I got it COMPLETELY wrong. quote:Koutris is an agent in the FBI's counter-terrorism unit who feeds information on the bureau’s activity to The Greek. He is responsible for telling the Greek about an investigation by Baltimore police and the local FBI, and gives The Greek warning enough to temporarily shut down his smuggling operation. He is rewarded with information on a large shipment of drugs that he seizes on the FBI’s behalf. Koutris is also responsible for telling The Greek that his contact in the Baltimore port, Frank Sobotka, has agreed to give evidence against him. This information leads to Sobotka’s death. FBI Agent Fitzhugh realizes Koutris is a leak, but is unable to do anything because Koutris is well-regarded because of the drug arrest. It is implied that Koutris is not actually corrupt but protecting The Greek as a confidential informant for information about potential acts of terrorism.
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Jerusalem posted:Just checked it up on Wikipedia, yeah I got it COMPLETELY wrong. Yeah, I thought Koutris was corrupt at first too, but it turns out that the Greek is just an FBI asset.
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I just finished the series at the beginning of the week and was so glad when I saw this thread. Gaz, finish Season 3 right away because it's my favorite season because of MAJOR SPOILERS The Neville Brothers.
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| # ? May 3, 2009 07:00 |
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Just started season 4, slowed down the last few weeks due to work but even with season 2 being season 2 I've thoroughly enjoyed the series. The characters have been solid and although it's always slow to start the payoffs are usually awesome. Then there are the little gems like in season 3 (minor spoiler) rauls in the gay bar lmao, then calling someone a cocksucker. I hope this season is as good as everyone says it is, everything has dramatically changed so much that I don't know what to think. just wanted to say that Omar is still king
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| # ? May 4, 2009 05:12 |
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I didn't care for season 2 the first time I saw it, but after a second viewing it's my second favorite after season 4. The whole show is just so amazing that after seeing it all for the first time last year I immediately watched the first four seasons again. I finally just got around to watching season 5 again and like season 2 I'm glad that the parts I originally found unbearable I now find enjoyable. The thing I like best about the show is that watching it for a second time is so much better than the first since you don't have to worry too much about what is going on and you can look for things that are easily missed the first time like subtle references or what point they were trying to make with certain scenes.
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| # ? May 4, 2009 05:47 |
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Just saw something that I missed the first time. Season 1 episode 6 or 7 (it was on TV). There's mention of patio furniture that had been stolen. A major's or something like that. Doesn't Marlo setup his meeting place with patio furniture?
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| # ? May 4, 2009 11:44 |
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I loved the first season of this show but I lost interest when I watched the first couple of episodes of season 2 and they introduced a bunch of new characters and settings that I didn't like or care about. I intend to give season 2 another go sometime though, if only to get through to the later seasons.
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truther posted:Just saw something that I missed the first time. Yes - but I honestly think you're reading a bit to far into it. I doubt the character of Marlo was even conceived when they were writing season 1. Also, I don't believe season 3 is being discussed in here yet, so hush about Marlo.
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Chamberk posted:Oh man, I'm watching the third season and (episode 2 spoiler) Herc and Carver meeting Poot and Bodie at the movies is CLASSIC. I just got to this episode, and that has got to be the funniest scene in the entire series thus far. I was dying. "Herc and Carver here, they try and bust us every day. Like, 'Where the poo poo? Who got the poo poo?'"
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:I just got to this episode, and that has got to be the funniest scene in the entire series thus far. I was dying. WOAAAH! You guys go to the movies!?! I love that Bodie and Poot were genuinely surprised that the cops have lives outside of being cops. ShardPhoenix posted:I loved the first season of this show but I lost interest when I watched the first couple of episodes of season 2 and they introduced a bunch of new characters and settings that I didn't like or care about. I intend to give season 2 another go sometime though, if only to get through to the later seasons. Even if you dislike the Sobotkas/Greek storyline, it's still worth watching because season 2 still has a heavy focus on Stringer and Bodie, with Avon and D getting lots of screentime too, and sets up the events of season 3 very nicely.
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watching season 4 ( dont worry no spoilers) but I don't understand why this is touted as the "best season of television" by numerous people. It seems like its the same formula, it's still really slow and building up. I'm about halfway through it
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ChristianDB posted:watching season 4 ( dont worry no spoilers) but I don't understand why this is touted as the "best season of television" by numerous people. It seems like its the same formula, it's still really slow and building up. it has the most social relevance and says the most important things overall of any season.
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ChristianDB posted:watching season 4 ( dont worry no spoilers) but I don't understand why this is touted as the "best season of television" by numerous people. It seems like its the same formula, it's still really slow and building up. It's astonishing how many talented child actors they got. Most shows die when they add that many young actors, but The Wire really did well with it. Though I guess that applies to the whole run, what with Bodie, Wallace, Poot, etc. starting out young.
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ChristianDB posted:watching season 4 ( dont worry no spoilers) but I don't understand why this is touted as the "best season of television" by numerous people. It seems like its the same formula, it's still really slow and building up. the whole show is slow. it's not the best season because all of a sudden it turns into the shield
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