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nwin posted:Alright, I'm confused by the season 3 ending...spoilered just in case: Stringer had been talking to Bunny for several weeks. Just off the top of my head, there's a scene where Lester notes an odd number being called from what they know to be a cell phone owned by Stringer, which is the Western HQ. And Mouzone and Omar decided to kill Stringer together and the best way to find him was to ask his boy, Avon. Avon couldn't risk losing the connections in New York that Mouzone could sour, because that would weaken him even further and basically hand the corners to Marlo, plus String was losing it, wanting Clay Davis killed and such, so he gave Stringer up at the development site that he said he'd be at.
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nwin posted:Alright, I'm confused by the season 3 ending...spoilered just in case: quote:Then you have Avon. I really don't get how that deal worked out. Omar has been pissed at the Barksdale crew since the beginning, and Brother Mouzzone was pissed for basically being set up by Stringer, thus getting shot by Omar. How did Avon fit into Stringer getting killed, if at all? Or was it just something Brother and Omar worked out themselves? Edit: gently caress.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 01:53 |
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It all makes sense now. Thanks. Screw this, I'm buying the dvd set now. Just watching the season 1-3 recaps on youtube I can see so much more poo poo going on that I completely missed the first time around.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 01:57 |
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The revelations make their final scene together so poignant, they've finally made it, they can "stop dreaming", but even as they're both saying it, they've both betrayed the other. McNulty revealing the name of the source on the court papers was just a final needless kick in the rear end for someone who had lost everything. I was glad Bunny called him on it.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 02:12 |
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Season 5 Episode 8 spoiler: Really? That little loving 7 year old kid is who takes Omar down?
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 15:01 |
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yardblog posted:Season 5 Episode 8 spoiler: Really? That little loving 7 year old kid is who takes Omar down? Yup. Best way it could've gone down. Think about it - no one else would even be credible.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 15:03 |
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Jedi posted:Yup. Best way it could've gone down. Think about it - no one else would even be credible. Yeah, it was a shock though. That motherfucker always bugged me
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 16:16 |
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yardblog posted:Season 5 Episode 8 spoiler: Really? That little loving 7 year old kid is who takes Omar down?  ) but all I knew was where it would happen, not who did it. So for the entire last two seasons I would completely tense up any time Omar went into a store, which I think he did several times throughout season 5, and the last time I was speechless that it was that little bastard who walked in after him.At the end of that episode when the coroner puts Omar's name tag in the right place it made me very 
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 16:47 |
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Witchfinder General posted:This was unfortunately spoiled for me before I even started the show (thanks mom Even more  is that by the end Omar has entered the city's street pantheon as a major badass that finally went out in a blaze of glory against a gang of New York hitmen, while Marlo's name is almost instantly forgotten.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 18:19 |
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Witchfinder General posted:
I thought it was the wrong place and the guy just shrugged it off. Gotta rewatch that episode. My way made sense too, in the spectrum of the season. Despite Omar being this bad motherfucker on the streets, even a coroner didn't give enough of a poo poo to make sure he had the right toe tag.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 18:51 |
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Jedi posted:I thought it was the wrong place and the guy just shrugged it off. Gotta rewatch that episode. Your idea is interesting, though, never thought about it that way.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 19:07 |
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Witchfinder General posted:The coroner does correct it and laughs to himself once he realizes Omar's tag is on the wrong person so I always chalked it up to just a mistake. I wanna say it's like Omar didn't die a no-name thug on the street, he had a name that should be remembered. I thought for a minute that Omar hadn't actually died and was still on the street...  Then I realised this is The Wire and I went all sad. 
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 19:44 |
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Omne posted:Here's something that always bothered me about season three...From the beginning of season one, we're led to believe that the Barksdale group is the baddest of the bad. Other dealers, people on the street and the cops all say the Barksdales are never weak. THe problem is, and this is especially apparent in season three, they look like the Clampets at all times! They can't come close to matching Marlo's little organization, there's drastic infighting among the family. I never got the impression the Barksdales were as bad-rear end as we were led to believe. From a few pages back but it touches on one of the bigger overall themes of the show. The city itself is an organism, made up of institutions; police, unions, schools, politics, the game, etc. The organisms largely function the same- whoever is currently in charge is there generally because there was an opening and they were in the best position to take the spot. Their time is limited to make an impact, to either work within the dysfunction of their particular institution or go against it. Either way they get taken down by the dysfunction. The Police Commissioner, the largest gang, the union boss, teaching a new class in school, the mayor's seat. Each position of power is by its very nature on borrowed time. The exact workings of the mechanism through which each thing changes is different but the result is the same. Barksdale's crew was in the right place at the right time, and Avon mentions early on how they fought to get the towers from the previous gang that controlled West Baltimore. It was their time. And what happens to them at the beginning of season 3? Consumed by the system. The truly successful like the Greek see the institutions for what they are and operate essentially outside of it, mostly immune to the natural changes.
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Toast Museum posted:Even more I loved this so much, Omar became an utter legend, the truth was unimportant (and it could ONLY have been the kid that got him, because it was the only time he let down his guard) and his name grew and grew. Meanwhile, Marlo achieved everything and "won" but he no longer had his "name", and as he told Chris in prison, "my name is my name!" - his horror when he finds out that Omar had been calling him out for weeks and everyone on the streets thinks he was too scared to go out and do something about it was loving brilliant. The man has won, he has everything, but he lost his name, and in his attempt to get it back (taking that podunk little corner in the final episode) you just know that eventually he WOULD go down, his own worst enemy. Like cheap sunglasses says, the only people who seem to truly "succeed" in Baltimore are those who either work outside of the system or take advantage of those trying to work within it, such as The Greek or Levy or even Carcetti, who had the best of intentions all the way through his career, even though essentially the only person he ever helped was himself.
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| # ? Jun 15, 2009 21:44 |
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Witchfinder General posted:The coroner does correct it and laughs to himself once he realizes Omar's tag is on the wrong person so I always chalked it up to just a mistake. I wanna say it's like Omar didn't die a no-name thug on the street, he had a name that should be remembered. He did correct it, but only because the toe tag said 'black male 6'2' or whatever so it was really obvious it was wrong. The point was that he might be a legend on the street but he was nothing to the rest of the world.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:01 |
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Pascallion posted:More season 5 episode 8: Same deal in regards to Prop Joe.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:14 |
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Seriously, this thread is beyond a joke. Spoiler free and all it is is pages and pages of blacked out lines. This needs to revert to UK Goons 'OMG Season 3 in a week!' and another 'The Wire Nostalgia' thread created. I want to discuss what I have seen on the BBC (up to Season 2) but I have not idea where it is safe to move my mouse in case I reveal something just by scrolling. Please, I'm begging you!
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:16 |
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Well you know, if people who are actually watching the show would discuss the episodes they're watching, we could comment on it along with them.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:24 |
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Jerusalem posted:Like cheap sunglasses says, the only people who seem to truly "succeed" in Baltimore are those who either work outside of the system or take advantage of those trying to work within it, such as The Greek or Levy or even Carcetti, who had the best of intentions all the way through his career, even though essentially the only person he ever helped was himself. Carcetti purely works within the dysfunction. His entire character is dysfunction itself. Anyone who's just watching for the first time, look up the current governor of Maryland and mayor of Baltimore when you get to season 5.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:39 |
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Jerusalem posted:Well you know, if people who are actually watching the show would discuss the episodes they're watching, we could comment on it along with them. Its a bit hard when the thread moved on over 8 pages ago. The main issue is that this thread is explicitly designed to be spoiler free as a result of the BBC finally showing this awesome series. Its not a newbie thread when the last post refers to Season 5 Episode 8 when the BBC are three and a half series behind. Don't know why I'm ranting about this, its not going to change anything. Mods should change the thread title and UK goons can drop by at the end of the year once they have shown the final episode of series 5 on the BBC.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:40 |
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The original poster at first was letting people what episodes were "free and clear" to discuss but those episodes were long ago discussed and we haven't really heard anything since then. If somebody watching in the UK wants to establish exactly where the show is and when new episodes are airing, it would make it a lot easier to avoid later show talk. As it stands, nobody knows where anybody else is so this has become an all-purpose discussion thread. At least people are using spoiler tags.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 00:43 |
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This thread and the DS9 newbie thread have convinced me that the only way these threads have a chance of working as planned is with a rigid viewing schedule for those following along.
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PokerJoe posted:Its a bit hard when the thread moved on over 8 pages ago. The main issue is that this thread is explicitly designed to be spoiler free as a result of the BBC finally showing this awesome series. Its not a newbie thread when the last post refers to Season 5 Episode 8 when the BBC are three and a half series behind. As was stated several times over the course of the thread - you can not have a spoiler free thread. A spoiler free thread would be able to discuss the first episode and that's it. I believe the thread starter is currently on season 5, so are you guys up to that? Someone needs to step up and say "This is allowed, no farther." You can't fault us for wanting to discuss something when there's discussion going on.
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| # ? Jun 16, 2009 01:47 |
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Right now, the BBC has finished season 2. 3 starts on Monday. I agree that a rigid viewing schedule or detailed trip report/reviews is probably the best way for these threads to work, but I'm sort of past the point where the latter is worthwhile. So, let's try the former. No talk on ANYTHING past season 2 until Monday. Then ep 1 of s3 is open, and so on and so forth, all right? I'll add this to the OP.
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nwin posted:http://www.dvdhottest.com/the-wire-...CFSURFQodUxgL2g "The Complete Season 1-5" sounds like China bootleg phrasing. gently caress that. The chances of all being well on that many Chinese bootleg discs are poor.
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I just started dating a staff writer for one of the Detroit newspapers (MY NOTGIRLFRIENDYET!), and she's given me a new appreciation for Season 5; she keeps talking about how accurate and close to home the journalism stuff hits for her - so maybe part of the problem I had was that the relation with that was low for me, whereas it was high for the inner city schools and such. Although she does point out some things being hugely unrealistic, like the sourcing issues that wouldn't have even come up in a legitimate paper, according to her.
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On that line, Detroit is actually ahead of Baltimore in the murder rate, they were only under because they were...juking the stats... http://www.detnews.com/article/2009...eport-homicides quote:A thorough look at the 2008 homicide statistics reveals other omissions:
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 12:35 |
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OP, where are you in the series right now?
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 15:02 |
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CaptainHollywood posted:OP, where are you in the series right now? I'm kind of taking a break to introduce some people to the series. As I recall I was around episode 3 of season 5. But we're going to try and keep the thread friendly for other UK goons who are watching the BBC airings. Season 3 starts airing on Monday.
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 15:11 |
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I'm midway through season 5 and I just started going back and rewatching the series from the beginning. It's funny to confirm that, yes, Prez is the only police to fire his gun onscreen in the whole series. Also, I forgot how early Clay Davis showed up.
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 16:02 |
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yardblog posted:Season 5 Episode 8 spoiler: Really? That little loving 7 year old kid is who takes Omar down? Omar's murderer (Kenard) is one of the kids playing around the scene of the shootout between Omar's gang and the stashhouse crew (season 3 I think? the one where one of Omar's crew gets shot and Bunk is investigating it). Kenard is fighting over who gets to be Omar.... now that's continuity!
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 18:20 |
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^^^ Never caught that. Wow, that's great.
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McNerd posted:^^^ Never caught that. Wow, that's great. The chick in the back of the Mercedes who pulls up in Hamsterdam in S3 asking for coke is later spotted by Bubbles in an alley sucking the dick of the guy who was robbing him and beating his rear end, and she's the hooker in Bubbles' rehab session in S5 During the scenes in S5 at the homeless camp, several of the dockworkers from S2 can be spotted in the background Not really a spoiler but the actor who plays Chris Partlow is the cousin of DC rapper Wale, and Steve Earle is a former junkie who did time in the early 90s.
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cheap sunglasses posted:The chick in the back of the Mercedes who pulls up in Hamsterdam in S3 asking for coke is later spotted by Bubbles in an alley sucking the dick of the guy who was robbing him and beating his rear end, and she's the hooker in Bubbles' rehab session in S5 The one about Kenard I noticed, but this one I missed completely both times in both seasons. Not quite through season 4 in my third rewatch yet, so I'll be looking for it.
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| # ? Jun 18, 2009 18:53 |
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Idris Elba apparently still DJs around London. http://www.myspace.com/hevlar_recordings edit: well he looks pretty quiet right now but one of my friends heard him about a year ago. El Zilcho fucked around with this message at Jun 18, 2009 around 19:19 |
| # ? Jun 18, 2009 19:16 |
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Stuck in the middle of season four because On Demand wont roll them over fast enough. I poo poo myself when it came up, for free, season one to watch because i had heard so much about it. Season one is the strongest, and its really a testament to how strong the series is to become something nearly totally else by season four and still be powerful. By season four your faced with carcetti the entire first half and asked to care. Same with the youngins as they head off to school. Where the gently caress is Mcnutty? You know hes about to get the crack in the case asking simply "You ever known Omar to do a civilian?" but you feel his presence slip off screen and be replaced by others. Who thankfully still have the same writers. Favorite part of the show? How they say two/too/to. Teeeuuuuu. Prop Joe, Omar and Marlos tiny thug girl are the best, and whenever they speak i have a huge grin on my face adoring the accents adopted (or...homegrown? ) Edit: Change the opening theme music? That was hard to handle. meanolmrcloud fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2009 around 13:39 |
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Michael Williams (Omar) is from New York, so the accent is put on for him. But Prop Joe and Snoop are Balmer natives.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2009 13:59 |
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meanolmrcloud posted:Stuck in the middle of season four because On Demand wont roll them over fast enough. I poo poo myself when it came up, for free, season one to watch because i had heard so much about it. Season one is the strongest, and its really a testament to how strong the series is to become something nearly totally else by season four and still be powerful. I assume you went directly from one to four? They change the theme every season. Although I never really liked Carcetti, I still consider season 4 to be my favorite. Even though McNulty is less there than in previos seasons as Dominic West was off filming 300, I think.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2009 14:11 |
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No, i watched two and three, with two being an odd change of pace and three being a thrilling culmination of multiple dramas, thick and richly layered. Thats kind of the charm of two, you see the same formula applied freshly to dock workers, set against a solidifying backround. Four shows a rebirth (that actually started near the end of three) that is gaining momentum. You can plainly see the have the style down, but it seems a tad on the frantic side juggling to much. Like i said before, it has the same immediate focusing ability due to the strong writing, just with a shifting cast. Handled any other way, im stone convinced no other show could envelope so much, and then have it landscaped so that you connect with it, from the corners to the mayors office. That being said, with so little to go on, I'm surprised how much i like Marlo. His philosophy, methods and crew are almost alien and a good foil to the Barksdale crew. His fate, sitting at S4e6, is uncertian and i like that as opposed to some obvious twists i was kind of waiting around for carcetti having a chance at an affair, stringer getting killed
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I really liked the all the politics stuff in seasons 3 and 4 and I would happily have traded in all the newspaper stuff in season 5 for a better politics storyline.
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