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EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Essobie posted:

WinKey, reso, Enter. Disk tab.

The search function is probably the #1 best feature upgrade I've encountered in this OS coming from XP. Did Vista have this?

Yes, it did.

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Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

PaulC posted:

I am running an ATI card, yeah.

Looking around, your best bet may be switching emulators or waiting for the zsnes 2.0 release.

I just now found BSNES. I thought it was also having performance problems despite hardware scaling (dropped frames, occasional sound stuttering), but I found out Aero was affecting it too. I'll probably be using that.

Edit: tried out ZSNES on a laptop I'm refurbishing that is running Vista and has an Intel 965--looked and ran fine. Tsk, tsk, NVIDIA.

Zorilla fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 02:31

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Office 2010 beta is out to MSDN and technet subscribers.

haywire
Jul 15, 2007

The custom title is an image and/or line of text that appears below your name in the forums

Essobie posted:

WinKey, reso, Enter. Disk tab.

The search function is probably the #1 best feature upgrade I've encountered in this OS coming from XP. Did Vista have this?

Yeah it did, but I can't remember it being as good. Perhaps that's just me though.

MrC
Jan 15, 2001

As Seen in Print!

haywire posted:

Yeah it did, but I can't remember it being as good. Perhaps that's just me though.

It's not nearly as fast as it is in 7.

NerdPolice
Jun 18, 2005


NerdPolice posted:

Any idea why my HDD enclosure (2.5) won't work in win7? It will connect and work in WInXP but I can't even plug it in without literally 50+ warnings saying it needs to format then saying it cannot format the drive over and over. It was a HDD from my Dell that just died, want to wipe it clean after I transfer some files, any ideas?
I managed to get the drive working in WinXP (on a friends computer) and transfer the necessary files. Want to clean the drive fully since it refuses to function in Win7 but having trouble. Win7 install detects the drive plugged in but won't let me modify the partitions (as it is USB), Win7 diskpart doesn't detect that the drive is plugged in, WinXP diskpart detects that the drive is plugged in but I tried to make changes and it said something about not allowing such changes and the external disappeared and no longer appears in diskpart.

Fact that the drive worked completely fine in XP shows it isn't faulty.

I just want the drive to recognize in Win7

Super Dude
Jan 23, 2005
Do the Jew

incoherent posted:

Office 2010 beta is out to MSDN and technet subscribers.

It's not showing up on my MSDN software list. Do I have to have some special account?

edit: Nevermind.

Super Dude fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 04:14

Chopstix
Nov 20, 2002

That's a rib gone. Not broken. Gone.

Ever since I installed windows 7 ATI's Catalyst Control Center annoyingly beeps and flcikers my scene if my card hits 80 degrees, is there any way to turn this off? I've uninstalled CCC, is this a windows 7 specific thing or a CCC thing?

waffle
May 12, 2001
HEH


So what I've heard about Windows 7 so far is that it's generally faster than XP. I just got it installed on my laptop, which used to have XP, and though i've found that to be generally true, it really takes loving forever to start up.

I mean, like on the order of 2+ minutes. And my laptop's not that old... it's fast enough to do things like play the Sims 3.

It's a university copy, though--I got it from my department. Is that why it's starting up so slow? There's something going on where I apparently have to log onto the university network once every 6 months, so it might be some kind of authentication thing... is it usually this terribly slow? I've been using the hibernate option, which works well, but i need to shut down every once in awhile

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

Mah spoon is too big!


Okay, I'm looking at taking the plunge and upgrading from XP, which I've had forever, to 7 (Looking at the OP, and given that it's primarilyfor gaming, microsoft word, and internet browsing, Home Premium looks like a go-er). The version of XP I have is itself an upgrade edition, and was upgraded from a copy of 98SE. MY questions are:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from an upgrade edition?

2. Is it possible/easy to set up dual-boot XP/7?

2.5. Will upgrading from XP negate my ability to use that particular copy of XP as my alternative OS in a dual-boot setup?

3. I'm not completely up on how upgrade editions work. If I have windows 7 installed and validated, and wish to to a periodic scrub and clean re-install of my OS partition, do I have to essentially go back to the XP install, or can I do it over the existing install (stupid question, I know, but I'd like to be sure).

4. Just to clarify, are 32 and 64-bit located on the same media, or do you have to purchase a specific version?

Cheers.

Diviance
Feb 11, 2004

Television rules the nation.


Breetai posted:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from an upgrade edition?

This one I don't know...

Breetai posted:

2. Is it possible/easy to set up dual-boot XP/7?

Yes and it should be

Breetai posted:

2.5. Will upgrading from XP negate my ability to use that particular copy of XP as my alternative OS in a dual-boot setup?

It should, yes

Breetai posted:

3. I'm not completely up on how upgrade editions work. If I have windows 7 installed and validated, and wish to to a periodic scrub and clean re-install of my OS partition, do I have to essentially go back to the XP install, or can I do it over the existing install (stupid question, I know, but I'd like to be sure).

You will have to reinstall XP beforehand.

http://www.blogsdna.com/3217/step-b...o-windows-7.htm

Seems to be a fairly on the spot guide here, if you don't want to lose too much doing the upgrade

Breetai posted:

4. Just to clarify, are 32 and 64-bit located on the same media, or do you have to purchase a specific version?

Key works for both versions, each version is a different disc

Swilo
Jun 2, 2004
ANIME SUCKS HARD



I finally put 7 Pro x64 on my desktop (was holding out for an SSD, 40GB Kingston yay) after running it on my laptop for a few weeks. I have some minor questions I can't really find answers to with Google and if they're in the OP then I'm blind:

1) It won't recognize my APC UPS. Was working fine in XP before this so it's got to be some driver issue, but I can't find anything about it. Trying to search the error message turns up a billion results for Vista sleep/resume problems, and the only thing on APC's website is the dumb power chute software that won't even install because it can't detect the unit. I've tried different USB ports and no go.

2) Is there a way to hide my hard drives from the Safely Remove Hardware icon? They're all internal SATA disks, but I use that icon to unplug drives that are actually portable and worry I'll misclick thus requiring a reboot. This goes for my laptop too, it lists my DVD drive (though my desktop doesn't) and even the tablet touchscreen!

3) Any idea why both my computers hang on the "Welcome" screen for about 15 seconds after I log in? I figured it was Avast on my laptop but I haven't installed an antivirus on the desktop yet and it suffers the same problem. Nothing pops out in the event viewer.

4) Is the GPU experience rating artifically capped at 6.9 if it doesn't support DX11? This is a throwaway and I really don't care, but that seems to be the case like with platter HDDs.

Thanks for any insight, the OS is great

edit: Is there any way to enable system restore but specify the drive that points are saved to? Obviously with such a small C: I don't want them there. I can turn up the space allocation on the other 2 drives, but will it actually use that for the system disk when I set those to off? Is there a way to set the system disk to 0% allocated but still be making points?

Swilo fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 09:08

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

Mah spoon is too big!


Thanks for the reply; it's much appreciated. Two new questions, though:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from 32-bit XP to 64-bit W7? I read somewhere that you can't upgrade from Vista 32b to 7 32b.

Diviance posted:


Key works for both versions, each version is a different disc

2. But are both discs included in the same purchase package?

Once again, thanks.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Breetai posted:

Thanks for the reply; it's much appreciated. Two new questions, though:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from 32-bit XP to 64-bit W7? I read somewhere that you can't upgrade from Vista 32b to 7 32b.


2. But are both discs included in the same purchase package?

Once again, thanks.

1) You'll need to do a clean install, which will archive your old version of Windows. You won't lose any files, but you'll probably need to reinstall stuff.

2) I do not believe they are, but you can find the official msdn iso's around, borrow one from a friend or call up Microsoft and get one. Use your own key, of course.

Yossarko
Jan 22, 2004



What's this round thing that seems to "represent" Windows 7 whenever I search for it ?



It seems to be on 75% of all GIS for "windows 7" but I have never seen it.

Is it something they removed, or have I not activated this funny wheel thing ? I've also seen it on the bottom of the screen, almost like a dock.

EDIT: after more googling, some say it was fake and never made by MS, some say it was in early MS screenshots and videos. Funny that it's still everywhere when GIS'ing, and in so many different ones (wallpaper, placement, etc). Any background on this "click-wheel" ?

Yossarko fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 10:57

WebDog
Jun 14, 2006


Yossarko posted:

What's this round thing that seems to "represent" Windows 7 whenever I search for it ?

[timg]http://img.waffleimages.com/d8031980591b7c9265efff9f5ebc8f0c9d72999c/windows-

I think it's this.

http://orbit-menu.uptodown.com/en

4 Day Weekend
Jan 16, 2009


Super Dude posted:

It's not showing up on my MSDN software list. Do I have to have some special account?

edit: Nevermind.

I'd like to know this too.

TwystNeko
Dec 25, 2004

*ya~~wn*

Yossarko posted:

What's this round thing that seems to "represent" Windows 7 whenever I search for it ?



It seems to be on 75% of all GIS for "windows 7" but I have never seen it.

Is it something they removed, or have I not activated this funny wheel thing ? I've also seen it on the bottom of the screen, almost like a dock.

EDIT: after more googling, some say it was fake and never made by MS, some say it was in early MS screenshots and videos. Funny that it's still everywhere when GIS'ing, and in so many different ones (wallpaper, placement, etc). Any background on this "click-wheel" ?

Actually, it's called Circle Dock - the default install looks exactly like what you have there. Works quite well, too.

Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle

Breetai posted:

2. But are both discs included in the same purchase package?

For any retail-released package (full retail or upgrade), yes, they are. OEM copies only have one disc for the specific architecture, although the key will still work with either. For downloaded versions, you need to make sure to get the right architecture, and I'd imagine that educational versions distributed by your institution would be a complete crapshoot, so make sure you ask for 64-bit if you want 64-bit.

Yossarko
Jan 22, 2004



TwystNeko posted:

Actually, it's called Circle Dock - the default install looks exactly like what you have there. Works quite well, too.

OK, thanks. I don't think I'm going to install it. I wonder why it's on so many "Windows 7" google searches ? As far as I can see it has nothing to do with 7 or Microsoft. A lot of people also seem to call the software "Windows 7 Circle Dock" and "how to make XP or Vista look like 7!" so where exactly is everyone getting the idea that the circle dock = Windows 7 ???

http://www.technixupdate.com/downlo...k-bar-for-free/

On this page, they advertise the above software with the quote :

quote:

Today we have come up with Windows 7 circle dock bar for you, which looks exactly like circle doc bar of windows 7

WTF ?

DarthBlingBling
Apr 19, 2004

Pretentious
This would be on my dream business card


Swilo posted:

4) Is the GPU experience rating artifically capped at 6.9 if it doesn't support DX11? This is a throwaway and I really don't care, but that seems to be the case like with platter HDDs.

No, I have a 4870 and it's rated at 7.5. It doesn't support DX11.

WebDog
Jun 14, 2006


Yossarko posted:

so where exactly is everyone getting the idea that the circle dock = Windows 7 ???

It's from an old series of concepts for the OS's interface overhaul.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/2...han-they-sound/

And in some part inspired by the pop-out circle menu that appeared in the demonstration at D6 last year.

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Breetai posted:

Okay, I'm looking at taking the plunge and upgrading from XP, which I've had forever, to 7 (Looking at the OP, and given that it's primarilyfor gaming, microsoft word, and internet browsing, Home Premium looks like a go-er). The version of XP I have is itself an upgrade edition, and was upgraded from a copy of 98SE. MY questions are:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from an upgrade edition?
Yes, it will, for sure. MS doesn't care how you got your current OS as long as it's activated.

Breetai posted:

3. I'm not completely up on how upgrade editions work. If I have windows 7 installed and validated, and wish to to a periodic scrub and clean re-install of my OS partition, do I have to essentially go back to the XP install, or can I do it over the existing install (stupid question, I know, but I'd like to be sure).

Cheers.
If you lose (e.g. hard drive fails) your current install of 7, then you will need to install XP before you can install 7 using an upgrade copy. However, if you merely want to refresh, you can use your current 7 install as your start point and just have the installer blow it away and start fresh.

Breetai posted:

Thanks for the reply; it's much appreciated. Two new questions, though:

1. Will it allow me to upgrade from 32-bit XP to 64-bit W7? I read somewhere that you can't upgrade from Vista 32b to 7 32b.


2. But are both discs included in the same purchase package?

Once again, thanks.

You definitely can use an upgrade key to install 7x64 from Vista (or XP) x32. The confusion comes from the distinction between an upgrade key, which merely requires you to have an activated OS > Win 2000 installed, and an upgrade install, which must meet a whole slew of compatibility requirements. An upgrade key can be used to make a clean install.

VVVVV What about compatibility mode? The main thing that does is lie to the program and tell it its installing on a different OS.

kapinga fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 13:59

hirvox
Sep 8, 2009


real_scud posted:

Yep Vista x64 drivers should work perfectly fine. I know atm I'm using some Vista 64 drivers for an old IDE card I'm using for some HD's and it installed fine.
Except when we're talking about Logitech. They have decent Vista drivers, but they have a switch in the installer that prevents those from being installed on Windows 7. Unpacking the installer and toggling that switch in the configuration file is left as an exercise to the reader.

At least, that was the case with W7 RC. It's too much to check whether they have officially supported versions yet.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


WebDog posted:

It's from an old series of concepts for the OS's interface overhaul.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/2...han-they-sound/

And in some part inspired by the pop-out circle menu that appeared in the demonstration at D6 last year.

Wow, those are absolutely hideous.

They look like some retarded ObjectDesktop screenshots.

chazburgr
May 26, 2008

yoink!

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but are there known issues with Windows 7 and Nforce onboard ethernet cards? Since I've upgraded, my network connection will randomly drop on me. I've searched around and seen a few people with the same problem and a few different solutions but I don't want to change an option and have it fail harder in a different way.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.


chazburgr posted:

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but are there known issues with Windows 7 and Nforce onboard ethernet cards? Since I've upgraded, my network connection will randomly drop on me. I've searched around and seen a few people with the same problem and a few different solutions but I don't want to change an option and have it fail harder in a different way.

Antecdote ahoy, I can't remember an Nforce onboard ethernet card that didn't poo poo out one way or another. I knew 3 other people personally that had the same issue. Of course, this was back 4-5 years ago with nforce 3&4 boards. With as cheap as you can get a PCI card, I'd grab a cheap one somewhere and use it instead of trying to gently caress with it. That being said, posting in Haus of Tech Support with more details of the actual board/driver version etc would likely yield better advice.

Footboy
Feb 3, 2003



Footboy posted:

I'm sure I'm not the first to ask, but has anyone else who went through win741 not received their DVD from DigitalRiver yet? I'm starting to worry.

Update: it finally came in the mail. I've had 7 installed from the ISO since launch day, but I wanted to have an official-looking disc and license sticker, so it's nice to see that my $13 didn't go to waste.

WebDog posted:

It's from an old series of concepts for the OS's interface overhaul.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/05/2...han-they-sound/

That article is hilarious.

Footboy fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2009 around 21:33

pwnyXpress
Mar 28, 2007
fastest male in the west

When I open up my library, search doesn't seem to bring up the things I'm looking for. I have a document titled "Resume - 11/2009" that it can't find, despite the fact that I can scroll down to find it manually within the library.

This document is actually located on another hard drive in a folder I manually added to the documents library. Is that why it's not showing up? If so, how do I fix it? Search should be able to really search as far as I'm concerned.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


Crackbone posted:

Antecdote ahoy, I can't remember an Nforce onboard ethernet card that didn't poo poo out one way or another. I knew 3 other people personally that had the same issue. Of course, this was back 4-5 years ago with nforce 3&4 boards. With as cheap as you can get a PCI card, I'd grab a cheap one somewhere and use it instead of trying to gently caress with it. That being said, posting in Haus of Tech Support with more details of the actual board/driver version etc would likely yield better advice.

My Athlon 64 system has an nForce 3-based system.

Yeah, installing the latest NIC drivers is a guaranteed BSOD. Even when it worked, there were guides for making sure TCP offload was disabled and other fun stuff to try and bring stability to the chipset. A $2.99 Realtek card was a lot more reliable.

It is a system that should handle Vista/Win7 just fine. Athlon 64 3000+, 2 Gigs RAM, etc. However, nForce chipset drivers for it haven't been updated past the XP days, so performance is always a little "off".

Schpyder
Jun 13, 2002

Attackle Grackle

hirvox posted:

Except when we're talking about Logitech. They have decent Vista drivers, but they have a switch in the installer that prevents those from being installed on Windows 7. Unpacking the installer and toggling that switch in the configuration file is left as an exercise to the reader.

At least, that was the case with W7 RC. It's too much to check whether they have officially supported versions yet.

Couldn't you just make a shortcut to the installer and tell it to run in Vista compatibility mode? I think I had to do that to get something installed after I upgraded to Win7, and it worked flawlessly.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 43 hours!


I've just installed Win 7 and I like it.

However, if I have multiple windows for a program it nests them which is often useful. Sometimes I would like it not to do this, like if I have multiple pdfs I want to see them all like you might in say XP and not have to go into the nested menu structure.

Is there a way to expand the window tree?

Hung Yuri
Aug 29, 2007



Is nvidia being stupid lately? My monitor's max refresh at 1920x1200 is 60hz, but I can only set it to 59hz and whenever I try to set it, it resets to 59hz.

Same with nvidia scaling instead of monitor scaling. Any way to force this?

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Hung Yuri posted:

Same with nvidia scaling instead of monitor scaling. Any way to force this?

Are you trying to use 800x600 in a game or something? I had to add that resolution in the NVIDIA Control Panel to get it to use monitor scaling.

Hung Yuri
Aug 29, 2007



No, I just want to use hardware scaling because my monitor scales poorly in comparison.

800x600 is already on my list of resolutions, the lowest resolution I have actually.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Now that I look at mine again, I meant 640x480. Maybe it's being buggy, because I stopped having problems with scaling in games that used 800x600 and 1024x768 after that. I can't imagine the results would be duplicated for you, but who knows?

Oops, you want hardware scaling, not display scaling. Thought it was the other way around. So the "Adjust desktop size and position" panel is totally broken on yours?

Zorilla fucked around with this message at Nov 19, 2009 around 00:54

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


My 1Hz was stolen and I DEMAND it back!

Hung Yuri
Aug 29, 2007



Zorilla posted:

Oops, you want hardware scaling, not display scaling. Thought it was the other way around. So the "Adjust desktop size and position" panel is totally broken on yours?

Yes, it resets to whatever it was on before, not to what I set it.

Xenomorph posted:

My 1Hz was stolen and I DEMAND it back!

It's not a huge deal, but it bothers me.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Hung Yuri posted:

Yes, it resets to whatever it was on before, not to what I set it.


It's not a huge deal, but it bothers me.

Is it actually refreshing the monitor at 59 hz? Usually it will say it's refreshing at 59 hz but the monitor is still actually at 60 hz.

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hobb
Sep 20, 2001


Hung Yuri posted:

Is nvidia being stupid lately? My monitor's max refresh at 1920x1200 is 60hz, but I can only set it to 59hz and whenever I try to set it, it resets to 59hz.

Same with nvidia scaling instead of monitor scaling. Any way to force this?

The 59hz thing and broken scaling has been around since at least the RC as far as I'm aware, and I don't know of anyway to fix it.

Someone once mentioned to try different driver versions, but its definitely win 7 doing it, I can have it working fine in vista, and use the same exact driver in 7 and it will be broken.

Must be some kind of recessive gene in windows versions, it was broken in XP, worked in vista, now its broken in 7 again, and I doubt they'll ever fix it.

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