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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/244/story/68456.htmlquote:WASHINGTON — When Jody Richards saw a homeless man begging outside a downtown McDonald's recently, he bought the man a cheeseburger. There's nothing unusual about that, except that Richards is homeless, too, and the 99-cent cheeseburger was an outsized chunk of the $9.50 he'd earned that day from panhandling. First of all, eliminate the deductions for donating to charity IMO. So, what was that argument about how a reduction in taxes helps stimulate donations to charities / availability of more jobs? ladies n gentlemen, welcome to the Republican Party where gently caress you, got mien has become the moral standard while proclaiming to be a god-fearing christian theres also a graph at the link but i didn' want to hotlink the img so
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Poor people also give a higher percentage of their income to charity FOR the rich. We just call it taxes though. Like in philadlephia, they are increasing the sales tax by 1%. Which means the average low income family pays 6% of their income, while the average rich person pays .67% of their income for this tax. Poor people will therefore spend about nine times what the rich will for the same tax. And all our taxes work this way.
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# ? May 26, 2009 15:18 |
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but if rich people had less taxes
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# ? May 26, 2009 15:22 |
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DUMBocrat posted:but if rich people had less taxes
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fuckin beautiful. these are the people i want to spend my life helping. but then i realize that's america and i can work my rear end off the rest of my life and never get anywhere with helping anybody because rich white people have turned "socialism" into a dirty word. Day and Night posted:What makes poor people's generosity even more impressive is that their giving generally isn't tax-deductible, because they don't earn enough to justify itemizing their charitable tax deductions. i didn't even know there were limits. wtf?
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# ? May 26, 2009 15:26 |
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This brings back memories of a few years ago when I was doorknocking for the Red Cross; I'd often get told "don't have any money sorry " over those intercoms to the front gate rich people have so they don't have to actually deal with the common folk face-to face. I never gave them the response they deserved but drat. There were exceptions of course but by and large I'd get far more people willing to donate in poorer suburbs than rich ones. Day And Night posted:theres also a graph at the link but i didn' want to hotlink the img so http://waffleimages.com/
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TFA posted:Moreover, disproportionate numbers of poor people belong to congregations that tithe. My guess is that this would be the same too. My semi-informed breakdown is that the poorest x% give to churches, relatives, and buy a cheesburger for their worse off neighbor. The richest x% give to their alma mater, the hospital that fixed their heart, and the art gallery. Everyone in between gives to everything. I work for a middle of the road grassroots charity, and the bulk of our support (beyond government contracts and foundation grants) comes $50-100 at a time from middle class families who find out about us at their mainline protestant church. edit: Humanist Manifesto posted:i didn't even know there were limits. wtf? stealie72 fucked around with this message at 15:35 on May 26, 2009 |
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If they didn’t give so much to charity maybe they wouldn’t be so POOR!
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Humanist Manifesto posted:i didn't even know there were limits. wtf?
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Widow's mite.
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Humanist Manifesto posted:i didn't even know there were limits. wtf? You have no idea how filing your taxes works. Fortunately for you neither does 90% of the US.
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stealie72 posted:You have to have a relatively substantial number of deductions (charitable, mortgage interest, etc) to make it worth itemizing them, vs just taking the standard deduction (which is like $6,500-ish for a couple, I think).[/i] Also, the tax benefit from charitable giving is (one minus your marginal tax rate) x (the amount you give). Someone with a lower income has a lower marginal rate, which means less of a tax benefit for charity even if they manage to deduct it.
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Humanist Manifesto posted:fuckin beautiful. these are the people i want to spend my life helping. seriouspost there's a lot you can do and no excuse if you aint doin it edit: where do you live
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kylejack posted:Babby's first tax return? i haven't lived in america even though i have dual citizenship and i've yet to file my first taxes. tbqh a lot of the poo poo america does confuses me and i'm too busy taking poo poo for granted over here to learn about your hosed up system in detail but i'll deal with it eventually when i get there next year so story posted:seriouspost there's a lot you can do and no excuse if you aint doin it japan
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Humanist Manifesto posted:i haven't lived in america even though i have dual citizenship and i've yet to file my first taxes.
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DUMBocrat posted:but if rich people had less taxes
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trickle down economics at work
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Whilst farting I posted:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_charitable_countries
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yes, pleb, and you should be grateful they choose to give anything at all away!
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Shankley posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_charitable_countries of course this neglects the Zakat in Islamic countries
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I've read this a decade or so ago and in Portuguese so I'm having trouble finding any sources to back me up but I'll still mention it because it ties up to this quite neatly. Some sociologists in Brazil carried out a study in which they'd put a wallet with (fake) personal identification and a contact number along a significant amount of money for someone poor, making it look like some poor shmuck lost the wallet with his monthly pay. They then dropped several of these wallets in slums and in upper class gated communities. Surprisingly (for the naive that is), the return rate in the poor areas was much higher (more than double if I remember correctly) than in the rich areas. Most of the wallets placed in rich areas were never returned or were returned without all or part of the money. They speculated that the results stem from the fact that poor people are more empathetic to how much suffering the lack of that money would cause one of their peers while the rich guys didn't give a gently caress about lower class scum. Who would have guessed...
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MeLKoR posted:I've read this a decade or so ago and in Portuguese so I'm having trouble finding any sources to back me up but I'll still mention it because it ties up to this quite neatly. I read this too.
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Home! posted:of course this neglects the Zakat in Islamic countries Shocking, I know. At least they decided to let Turkey hang out with the cool white guys.
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because poor people have basic human empathy
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# ? May 26, 2009 16:57 |
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an adult beverage posted:because poor people have basic human empathy there does seem to be an inverse correlation between basic human empathy and the amount of money one possesses but i refuse to believe that as a general rule of thumb i cant believe it
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# ? May 26, 2009 16:59 |
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speaking from experience i make like 10k a year and ive never said no to anyone asking for some money for food, including taking 20 bucks out of the atm for folks -- its less about charity, faith, and any of that as much as it's the crushing, killing hurt and guilt of knowing exactly what that person is going through and being unable to walk away from that and live with yourself if you have any kind of soul. poor people cant close their eyes and turn off the ghetto like rich folks can
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Brother Aziz posted:poor people cant close their eyes and turn off the ghetto like rich folks can best line of the morning, time for lunch break
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Brother Aziz posted:speaking from experience i make like 10k a year
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Prettz posted:do you work as a grocery store bag boy for a living or something? what the gently caress is wrong with you?
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Prettz posted:do you work as a grocery store bag boy for a living or something? a lot of people make this much a year youve just highlighted your ignorance
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this just in: poor people spend a higher percentage of their income on everything than the rich and if this comes as a surprise to you you're pretty dumb
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poor people own, gently caress the rich. true life my EFC(estimated financial contribution) for next school year is 0, i have about 40 dollars in my bank account or something but i gave someone twenty dollars to get home after his car had gotten broken into outside the grocery store i was at last night. he was in town visiting someone in the hospital.
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Prettz posted:do you work as a grocery store bag boy for a living or something? my father was a crackhead, my mother abandoned me at 13 and I'm recovering from homelessness. Being homeless is like a disease; if you have no family support structure or organized community to pick you back up, you have to overcome it one day at a time and it is a long process even if you do manage to get a roof back over your head.
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What type of job do you do? Is it full-time?
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Prettz posted:do you work as a grocery store bag boy for a living or something? punch yourself in the loving face
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aryangoku92 posted:this just in: poor people spend a higher percentage of their income on everything than the rich and if this comes as a surprise to you you're pretty dumb
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love dat cat
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kylejack posted:What type of job do you do? Is it full-time? I'm unable to hold a full time job currently because of some pretty bad back injuries but I'm also unable to get disability because I have no ID whatsoever -- No birth certificate, no license (I dont drive), no Social Security, nothing. When I was homeless I had my belongings stolen and it included all of that, and the government has been running me around for about four years now trying to reestablish my identity. In order to get by, I rented books on computers and taught myself how to program with a second hand computer when I got a room to live in again at a rooming house. I'm unable to get a real programming job because I only own two pairs of clothes and cant afford to do laundry regularly and have no ID to even get past a hiring offer, so I run a small syndicate with people I met online and live off of contract work that is sparse but keeps me fed. Doesn't help I only have a 9th grade education despite my abilities either. Brother Aziz fucked around with this message at 17:27 on May 26, 2009 |
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Brother Aziz posted:my father was a crackhead, my mother abandoned me at 13 and I'm recovering from homelessness. Being homeless is like a disease; if you have no family support structure or organized community to pick you back up, you have to overcome it one day at a time and it is a long process even if you do manage to get a roof back over your head. good on you man, i didn't have things as bad as you but i can empathize i can speak from similar experience that you can't dig yourself out of a hole and there's a severe lack of any way to get a hand up from that hole in this country without relatives with means
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