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SamuraiFoochs posted:Okay am I literally the only one that doesn't think it sounds bad especially considering the wrestling on SD is consistently good? He wouldn't actually know if the wrestling on Smackdown lately is any good.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Okay am I literally the only one that doesn't think it sounds bad especially considering the wrestling on SD is consistently good? Nah Smackdown is usually pretty good.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 05:48 |
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Sounds like a fun show.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 05:51 |
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Okay am I literally the only one that doesn't think it sounds bad especially considering the wrestling on SD is consistently good?
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 05:52 |
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Atticus Finch posted:It doesn't sound outright bad but it does sound kinda tedious. Guess I'll grant you that much.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 06:02 |
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DMPunk posted:Swagger says he'll do it, but for himself, since he's actually done what Henry couldn't - beat Big Show in the past. If this is accurate to what happens on the show, I fully expect a "HUH?" gag in the next Botchamania.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 06:57 |
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DMPunk posted:Smackdown: What the hell is a "Hiroshima rollup"?
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 15:33 |
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The finish of a match so boring that you'd rather make 1000 paper cranes than watch it.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 15:35 |
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I think it's a joke about how devastating roll-ups are to otherwise undamaged divas.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 15:59 |
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What the hell is the point of these Diva matches? It's the same poo poo every week of "ya we're pinup strong" *gets beat easily*
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 16:47 |
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Wojtek posted:What the hell is the point of these Diva matches? It's the same poo poo every week of "ya we're pinup strong" *gets beat easily* it goes to show you that ~~no matter how strong u are as a woman, pretty bitches will always manage to hold u down like this post if u agree, share if u think it's not fair~~
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 17:00 |
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I just wish they'd pick ONE gimmick for Beth/Nattie and stick with it. How many names has that team had now? How many disparate elements to their characters have been introduced?
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 17:33 |
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Save Russian Jews posted:~~no matter how strong u are as a woman, pretty bitches will always manage to hold u down like this post if u agree, share if u think it's not fair~~ No, "good" guys don't like you because you obviously don't take care of yourself, reek of desperation, and throw yourselves at anyone drunk enough to gently caress you the first time you meet. Sorry, you just reminded me of some of my wife's friends. I don't see why they can't have Nat/Beth wreck people until Kharma comes back and, I don't know, gives them some retribution. It's so obvious (her name is Kharma!) but they seem intent on just making everyone look like crap. Nat/Beth look like poo poo for losing in the same way every week, the one pinning gains nothing because they always win with a cheap rear end rollup and split before anything else can happen. No one gains anything.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 18:35 |
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Hahahha another set of spoilers. I bolded what cracked me up. Warning, lots of  quote:Got to the RBC Center right as people were being let in. Lots of CM Punk shirts in the crowd. Besides the usual merchandise booths, the National Guard had tables set up with free lanyards and water bottles, and Mattel had a WWE action figure display featuring the new line of figures. The usual gear for Cena, Orton, and CM Punk were on sale, as well as Zack Ryder shirts and headbands, and Sin Cara masks (the new silver one is very pretty in person.) Big Show and Sheamus had their shirts but no Bryan or Barrett shirts. I must see Superstars now, just for bicycle Hunico.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 19:47 |
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quote:Rather than the advertised triple threat World Title dark match, we got a segment featuring Show and Orton. Cody Rhodes and Heath Slater ran down to triple attack Orton with Barrett, but then Big Show's music hit and he chased off the three men with headbutts and chops. Slater was left in the ring, however, so Orton gave him an RKO while Big Show grabbed the table from outside the ring. Orton then powerbombed him through the table and did his signature pose while Show applauded. The pair went around the guardrails slapping hands and signing posters to close out the night. Lilian thanked us all and the show ended. I know card is subject to change, but haha that's a lovely substitution.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 19:52 |
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The Huni-Cycle...
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 19:53 |
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I'm Latino, and I love it.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 19:56 |
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Are they talking about those hipster lowrider bicycles?
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| # ? Dec 14, 2011 19:57 |
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I wish people would stop posting this literally every show, it's becoming a meme at this point. We get it, he's being booked terribly, and I agree. But Christ.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 20:25 |
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CanadianJericholeaf posted:"Guys, I can't even muster a defense at this point so stop pointing out when they do irreparably bad things. At least it's not TNA." No, it's more that it's bordering on white noise when people joke about the "wait and see" thing. I'm guilty of bordering on white noise or repeating myself sometimes too, and I'm not trying to backseat mod or anything like that, it's just that I feel like it's becoming a meme, that's all. I have no problem with people saying Daniel Bryan is being booked terribly, but when was the last time anyone really did use the "wait and see" defense non-ironically with Bryan? I don't even really do it anymore and I'm the King of the Positivity Patrol or whatever. Also much of the rest of SD is actually booked pretty well. Bryan is being booked pretty loving badly right now aside from certain pieces in a vacuum, but that doesn't mean the entire show is terrible.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 21:26 |
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So I guess the Hunico/Epic/Primo stable is still a thing then? They sure don't show all three of them out very much.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2011 23:59 |
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I have no problem with people saying Daniel Bryan is being booked terribly, but when was the last time anyone really did use the "wait and see" defense non-ironically with Bryan? People were unironically trying to say that Bryan's booking would be validated as recently as a few weeks ago during the Henry feud.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 02:48 |
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Hell, I'm still not completely dissuaded.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 04:59 |
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jeffersonlives posted:People were unironically trying to say that Bryan's booking would be validated as recently as a few weeks ago during the Henry feud. Allow me to rephrase for the sake of clarifying my point: As an example, Bryan getting beat up by ADR so quickly. I acknowledge/admit that it was stupid to have Bryan in that match in the first place. By the same token, I don't think it's some crime against humanity for him to be selling his injuries or that it instantly makes him a geek for all time forever. So I'm not about to say he's being booked well as a whole, and if WWE doesn't SERIOUSLY build him before Mania (assuming they go forth with the plan they say they're going to on TV) then holy poo poo are they dropping the ball. That is the area in which I agree with the people complaining about his booking. Having said that, I do love how some people, in their level of "wait and see right guys  " posting seem to feel like he's being booked like the jobberest jobber to ever job, because that's not true either. He's closer to that right now than a viable World Heavyweight Champion, but there have been points (again, in a vacuum) where he's looked strong (the cage match, telling Henry to bring it on, etc.)I'm not saying conclusively that it will be validated or even that I have confidence that it will (I don't), but it's not an impossibility either. I don't know, I'm rambling, sorry.
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I understand you have a desire to view everything WWE does in the absolute most positive light possible, but Bryan's pretty much a jobber. That's just a fact at this point. He was quickly and decisively beaten by a one legged man in the match that you're citing him as looking "strong," despite coming into the match with a massive advantage as the face, as the blowoff to a mini-feud where he was repeatedly defeated and beaten up at every turn. He loses almost every match he has on television in clean falls, he rarely gets any comeuppance over the people regularly beating him, and he is constantly buried in commentary as a joke. The fact that this lower-midcard jobber is nominally the number one contender to the title is just funny at this point.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 06:20 |
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Allow me to rephrase for the sake of clarifying my point: no further questions, your honor.
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jeffersonlives posted:I understand you have a desire to view everything WWE does in the absolute most positive light possible, but Bryan's pretty much a jobber. That's just a fact at this point. He was quickly and decisively beaten by a one legged man in the match that you're citing him as looking "strong," despite coming into the match with a massive advantage as the face, as the blowoff to a mini-feud where he was repeatedly defeated and beaten up at every turn. He loses almost every match he has on television in clean falls, he rarely gets any comeuppance over the people regularly beating him, and he is constantly buried in commentary as a joke. The fact that this lower-midcard jobber is nominally the number one contender to the title is just funny at this point. At this point I'm of the opinion that if the endgame is that Bryan is going to cash in against Henry at Wrestlemania, then it all works out. The booking thus far -- barring Cole being insufferable -- makes sense to me. If it deviates from that at all, including changing his opponent, it's a colossal failure. The main problem I see right now is that he needs a feud to keep him busy for a bit while allowing him to win and there are no good options for him ever since Christian got injured. Barrett, Cody and Ziggler all seem to be in critical spots right now and should be built up more. They'd probably have Bryan go up against someone like Swagger, which would lead to some great matches, but would ultimately do nothing because Swagger's stock has broken through the floor. Right now, the best thing they can do for Bryan is have him get the best of Michael Cole and have him do it multiple times. Don't even build it up anymore. Just do it and do it repeatedly. In fact, I'd say the Cole side of things is the worst thing about the handling of Bryan because he hasn't done anything of worth to him since the Miz missile back before the Nexus started. Yelling at him for 20 seconds means nothing when the other guy can yell for four hours a week.
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BAN DICKEYE posted:no further questions, your honor. See? I point out stupid things WWE does when WWE does them. It's just not what I choose to focus on, thanks. 
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Gavok posted:At this point I'm of the opinion that if the endgame is that Bryan is going to cash in against Henry at Wrestlemania, then it all works out. Just like Miz, Del Rio, Swagger, Ziggler, Rey, etc., the mere act of winning the title will not turn a midcarder into not a midcarder, it'll just make the title a prop that a midcarder is carrying around in his midcard feuds. They need to pick a fresh guy to elevate - whether that's Bryan or someone else, and if it's not Bryan they need to dispose of the briefcase and move on already - and stay with whomever they pick for more than a few weeks. That has to take precedent over the dumbass parity booking and stop/starts.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 07:12 |
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Also, they could end up doing a two or three month build of Henry/Bryan for Wrestlemania. OK, fine. But if Bryan's been losing the whole time until that point, it will have that much less heat.
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The most retarded thing is they could've gone from the Henry feud and gone into a somewhat extended program with Rhodes. Maybe even have Briefcase vs Title on the line to add some drama to it or something. Have some way where Bryan perseveres and has something to show for the trouble and then focuses back on the WHC. But no, he's fed repeatedly to Cody Rhodes to further Cody's angle with a loving retired announcer. Phase 1: Sign the best pure technical wrestler in North America Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Job him out in singles matches to get Booker T over. 
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jeffersonlives posted:Just like Miz, Del Rio, Swagger, Ziggler, Rey, etc., the mere act of winning the title will not turn a midcarder into not a midcarder, it'll just make the title a prop that a midcarder is carrying around in his midcard feuds. They need to pick a fresh guy to elevate - whether that's Bryan or someone else, and if it's not Bryan they need to dispose of the briefcase and move on already - and stay with whomever they pick for more than a few weeks. That has to take precedent over the dumbass parity booking and stop/starts. I agree with what you're saying, but not in this example. This angle is different and unfortunately doesn't work without stop/starts booking. Having Bryan win the Money in the Bank and then say he'd wait until Wrestlemania was cool when it happened, but when you look at it, they kind of shot themselves in the foot. Having a face do that completely sucks the drama out of the match. It's one thing to win a title shot for the next Raw or the next PPV or a PPV in two months, but any longer than that and the time in-between is utterly pointless. Whether he's strong or weak, he's getting that title shot in the end regardless. And as I said when it started up months back, they have a certain amount of time when they're allowed to have him lose (albeit through hard-fought matches) and build guys up as long as when the time draws nearer to Wrestlemania, they get serious about him. They waited longer than I had hoped for and then started up the mini feud with Mark Henry to remind us that, oh yeah, Bryan has that title match in the future. The dominant champ destroys the underdog challenger to the point of bullying, no matter how hard he tries to fight back. Even the shortcuts lead to dead ends and even though Bryan shows guts, he's also just not good enough right now. He's had his taste at the main event and now what they have to do is go back to building him up. The Cody matches were unfortunate, but at least I can write it off in that building up Cody/Booker is more important until the PPV is over. Even though Bryan/Cody would have been a better feud. Bryan eventually conquering Mark Henry, the dominant champ who's repeatedly crushed him, is more important than winning the belt and it's that that makes him a legit main eventer, more so than if his Wrestlemania opponent was Christian or Orton. The build-up is mostly a waste of time until the last couple months and the real test is 1) how/if he wins the match and 2) the aftermath. Because if they go Rey Mysterio with him, I don't even know anymore. Short version is that I agree with "wait and see" on this, but there's a deadline and even though it's more than possible that they can pull it off, that deadline is dreadfully close and even I'm running out of excuses.
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jeffersonlives posted:People were unironically trying to say that Bryan's booking would be validated as recently as a few weeks ago during the Henry feud. I assume you are mostly referring to me and I will have you know that the last time I defended their booking was the very first time Mark Henry faced Daniel Bryan in a match and defeated him via DQ when Big Show interrupted and Bryan threatened to cash-in. After that people were all "loving sooky wah wah wah" about it and I FAIRLY pointed out the logical story progression in that. Lo-and behold a short program unfolded before our eyes that actually made Daniel Bryan look good. Now, I will give you the last two weeks. They have been mind boggling and even I cannot understand the decisions. But as per the original point, nobody has been defending the booking since it really has been woeful. Which imo has been since the cage match.
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I would have zero problem with the losses to the champ in the DB / Henry buildup if they had spent time building up DB in other matches. In my mind it's pretty simple. Have DB win Money in the Bank. He then goes on a winning streak, making Henry worried. DB at this point is the happy go lucky babyface. Henry attacks him backstage or something, laying him out, destroying him. DB is gone for a while, selling his injuries. Henry brags about how Money in the Bank is no longer a worry. Eventually DB comes back, no longer the happy babyface. He tears down to the ring to cash in Money in the Bank and wins it on an injured Mark Henry. Teddy long reverses it, yadda yadda, DB ends up in that same cage match. Henry wins again, but just barely. Showcase DB's more serious persona in training montages, have him beat lower guys on the way to Wrestlemania. I thought of that in 5 minutes. It doesn't require DB to be beating main eventers all the time, he still loses to Mark Henry in the same matches, you just tweak things slightly so DB looks strong. Edit: I also want to be clear that I'm not saying this because I'm some huge Bryan Danielson mark. I just want WWE to build up guys effectively, I don't care who it is, as long as they somewhat have talent. triplexpac fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2011 around 15:16 |
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Right, if they really cared about building Bryan into anything he wouldn't be the designated job guy for whatever upper-mid heel needs a win on a given week. That's not even a terrible role for Bryan in a vacuum, but it's about the worst possible role for the caseholder.
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triplexpac posted:In my mind it's pretty simple. Have DB win Money in the Bank. He then goes on a winning streak, making Henry worried. Now now, triplexpac. They already planned a winning streak for Wade Barrett. We can't have two guys on Smackdown with winning streaks, can we? I mean, how are we gonna build up Barrett if Bryan can't lose? Tsk tsk.
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triplexpac posted:In my mind it's pretty simple. Have DB win Money in the Bank. He then goes on a winning streak, making Henry worried. But I can see how an underdog that no one expects to make it could be a a great storyline. Right now, in the WWE, all faces are supermen who always come out on top. DB is the only one not in that mold. He is not coming out on top. Henry can start to point out that DB is not in his leagues and does not even have to worry about MITB. (This is the point that WWE will probably mess up) WWE then needs to show Bryan working harder than ever before in order to beat Henry. Show training montages. Have him begin winning in order to boost people's support of him. After RR, they start having Henry mess with Bryan to cause him to doubt his abilities. Bryan then wins at WM and becomes the feel-good boyhood dream moment that Shawn Michaels had. Unfortunately, I am thinking that they are going to turn Henry face just to have Bryan turn heel and cash in MITB. Bryan then goes on to have a Swagger-esque reign.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 17:21 |
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:But I can see how an underdog that no one expects to make it could be a a great storyline. Right now, in the WWE, all faces are supermen who always come out on top. DB is the only one not in that mold. He is not coming out on top. Henry can start to point out that DB is not in his leagues and does not even have to worry about MITB. (This is the point that WWE will probably mess up) WWE then needs to show Bryan working harder than ever before in order to beat Henry. Show training montages. Have him begin winning in order to boost people's support of him. After RR, they start having Henry mess with Bryan to cause him to doubt his abilities. Bryan then wins at WM and becomes the feel-good boyhood dream moment that Shawn Michaels had. Yeah DB is in this weird middle ground. It's like they have him lose all the time, yet still try to put him over as a big deal (except for Cole of course). Like he's the Money in the Bank winner and is a big threat, except for when he's in the ring with anyone above the level of Heath Slater.
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| # ? Dec 16, 2011 17:46 |
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jeffersonlives posted:Right, if they really cared about building Bryan into anything he wouldn't be the designated job guy for whatever upper-mid heel needs a win on a given week. That's not even a terrible role for Bryan in a vacuum, but it's about the worst possible role for the caseholder. Not if they just want to get all the losing and payin' dues out of the way before he cashes in and wins.
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I remember when Punk was getting pinned in ECW to Bob Holly and people basically was upset the same way as they are with DB. Give it time...
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