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TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


SCRwM posted:

Can I be that guy who has two suits?

Guess I need to go get another suit...

Honestly, 4-5 suits is better.

This way you can have one in dry cleaning. Remember, FSI is all suits during orientation, and it's also like a billion degrees during summer.

Serious comment, you're in the Foreign Service. Occasionally, we all have to wear suits. Don't be that guy because you'll always be that guy who doesn't like to dress up when required. People remeber stupid poo poo like that when it comes to jobs and assignments.

TCD fucked around with this message at May 20, 2013 around 12:54

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SCRwM
Sep 17, 2012


TCD posted:

Honestly, 4-5 suits is better.

This way you can have one in dry cleaning. Remember, FSI is all suits during orientation, and it's also like a billion degrees during summer.

Serious comment, you're in the Foreign Service. Occasionally, we all have to wear suits. Don't be that guy because you'll always be that guy who doesn't like to dress up when required. People remeber stupid poo poo like that when it comes to jobs and assignments.

Thanks for the advice! Much appreciated.

Bruxism
Apr 29, 2009

Absolutely not anxious about anything.


TCD posted:

Honestly, 4-5 suits is better.

This way you can have one in dry cleaning. Remember, FSI is all suits during orientation, and it's also like a billion degrees during summer.

Serious comment, you're in the Foreign Service. Occasionally, we all have to wear suits. Don't be that guy because you'll always be that guy who doesn't like to dress up when required. People remeber stupid poo poo like that when it comes to jobs and assignments.

When I started this job I had 2 suits. I now have 6...Though to be fair, half of them are tailored large for protection work.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

Bruxism posted:

When I started this job I had 2 suits. I now have 6...Though to be fair, half of them are tailored large for protection work.

Most of mine are tailored large just so they fit!

mtreecorner
Sep 23, 2011


Depends which post you are at. Sanaa is fairly casual in dress.... except for me. I wear a suit every day :/

SCRwM
Sep 17, 2012


Again, thanks to everyone on the advice on suits. I guess I'm in a minority, but in my 17 years of professional experience I've never held a job where I was required to wear a suit (any client/VIP meetings blazer/slacks would always suffice). I'm not against suits, I've just never been required to wear/have one (other than when I got married).

I'll start shopping around this weekend for another suit or two (Memorial Day sales potentially FTW).

SCRwM fucked around with this message at May 20, 2013 around 13:53

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


mtreecorner posted:

Depends which post you are at. Sanaa is fairly casual in dress.... except for me. I wear a suit every day :/

Right, at post it's totally different. But, you should still have a suit on hand. I'm normally a slacks and shirt guy (occasionally polo it up if I'm working on the roof, or doing other dirty work) but these past few weeks have been a number of suits or shirt and tie days.

Also almost all mgt staff wear suits, so when you dress way down in meetings, it is noticeable.

TCD fucked around with this message at May 20, 2013 around 14:01

Nutrimentia
Apr 30, 2013


Yes, 5 suits at least is recommended to provide coverage while stuff is at the cleaners. There will also be times when you're traveling in-country for 3-4 days in weather that makes each suit unwearable after a day. Better to have too many than not enough. I like to keep a spare suit in the office in case of emergency as well.

Every post is different with the rules on that. Mission wide we have "traditional" Fridays. Local staff really get colorful on Fridays and direct hires sometimes wear local garb. The Pol/Econ sections still generally wear suits every day but its not uncommon to roll up sleeves and remove a tie in the office. On the visa line, jackets weren't required but we still wore ties. And at this post, you never know when you might be called in to a Front Office meeting and you'll want the full suit then.

My best advice with suits is to make sure your dress shirts have a good fitting collar.

SCRwM
Sep 17, 2012


Nutrimentia posted:

Yes, 5 suits at least is recommended to provide coverage while stuff is at the cleaners. There will also be times when you're traveling in-country for 3-4 days in weather that makes each suit unwearable after a day. Better to have too many than not enough. I like to keep a spare suit in the office in case of emergency as well.

Every post is different with the rules on that. Mission wide we have "traditional" Fridays. Local staff really get colorful on Fridays and direct hires sometimes wear local garb. The Pol/Econ sections still generally wear suits every day but its not uncommon to roll up sleeves and remove a tie in the office. On the visa line, jackets weren't required but we still wore ties. And at this post, you never know when you might be called in to a Front Office meeting and you'll want the full suit then.

My best advice with suits is to make sure your dress shirts have a good fitting collar.

Shirts are one thing I definitely need to get. When I was prepping for the OA's I tried on the dress shirts I had and quickly realized the necks were way to small ...

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


SCRwM posted:

Shirts are one thing I definitely need to get. When I was prepping for the OA's I tried on the dress shirts I had and quickly realized the necks were way to small ...

Jos. A. Bank has crazy rear end sales on dress shirts every week, so you should be able to amass a good amount in no time at all.

Chinoosha
May 14, 2013


Results are out for those waiting QEP results. Good Luck

https://actapps.act.org/fsotresults/

Barracuda Bang!
Oct 21, 2008


Yeah, just got my email. Looks like I didn't get through this time. Thanks again to Business of Ferrets and the_chavi for all the help, though. I think I was a lot better off with your help than without it and even though I didn't make it this year, I still really appreciate it.

Just gonna have to keep trying.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


Barracuda Bang! posted:

Yeah, just got my email. Looks like I didn't get through this time. Thanks again to Business of Ferrets and the_chavi for all the help, though. I think I was a lot better off with your help than without it and even though I didn't make it this year, I still really appreciate it.

Just gonna have to keep trying.

Keep up the good fight. I got knocked out in the QEP too my only time through, but I'm not going to take the FSOT anytime soon unless EUR really sucks.

TCD fucked around with this message at May 20, 2013 around 15:30

Nutrimentia
Apr 30, 2013


You've got the right attitude, Barracuda. I know it isn't easy getting knocked out of the process but it's important not to take it personally.

Business of Ferrets
Mar 2, 2008

Good to see that everything is back to normal.

psydude posted:

Jos. A. Bank has crazy rear end sales on dress shirts every week, so you should be able to amass a good amount in no time at all.

But once they have your email address, you will get spam from them forever.

Barracuda Bang!
Oct 21, 2008


Nutrimentia posted:

You've got the right attitude, Barracuda. I know it isn't easy getting knocked out of the process but it's important not to take it personally.

Thanks. I think it's only a matter of time before I get in, if I keep trying. I got in the mid 180s on the FSOT, so I know I have the potential...just...I maybe need a little refinement, or even luck, to get through the PNQs.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


Barracuda Bang! posted:

Thanks. I think it's only a matter of time before I get in, if I keep trying. I got in the mid 180s on the FSOT, so I know I have the potential...just...I maybe need a little refinement, or even luck, to get through the PNQs.

Whoa, that's a really good FSOT score. I think mine was in the 150s-160s.

Barracuda Bang!
Oct 21, 2008


TCD posted:

Whoa, that's a really good FSOT score. I think mine was in the 150s-160s.

Well, my written score was like a 7, only 1 over the minimum, so...

Diplomaticus
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender


Business of Ferrets posted:

Most of mine are tailored large just so they fit!

Most of mine are now unintentionally large, I've dropped almost 45 pounds now.

psydude posted:

Jos. A. Bank has crazy rear end sales on dress shirts every week, so you should be able to amass a good amount in no time at all.

For what they are, the Jos. A. Bank travellers shirts, when on sale, are nice -- they're cut large generally, but wrinkle-free, and very comfortable. Only problem is that they tend to fall apart faster than my other shirts.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


Diplomaticus posted:

Most of mine are now unintentionally large, I've dropped almost 45 pounds now.


For what they are, the Jos. A. Bank travellers shirts, when on sale, are nice -- they're cut large generally, but wrinkle-free, and very comfortable. Only problem is that they tend to fall apart faster than my other shirts.

Whoa dude. Was this the AF diet??

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Business of Ferrets posted:

But once they have your email address, you will get spam from them forever.

Solution: filter all emails from them to a "Shopping Ads" folder along with the rest of your online store emails.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

This is an accurate representation of my current level of enjoyment.

Diplomaticus posted:

Most of mine are now unintentionally large, I've dropped almost 45 pounds now.

Sorry to hear that. I hope the stress of moving didn't make anything worse.

Diplomaticus
Mar 27, 2005

Son of the Defender


TCD posted:

Whoa dude. Was this the AF diet??

Basically yeah. I lost around 25 pounds in 30 days at one point. Overall I've gone from 230 to 185 since January.

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.


Diplomaticus posted:

Basically yeah. I lost around 25 pounds in 30 days at one point. Overall I've gone from 230 to 185 since January.

I need to go back on the AF diet. For the most part, everything here is fairly sanitary in the major cities. I've only been sick once or twice here in Brazil and that was due to eating stuff like all you can eat ceviche.

Blooregard
Sep 7, 2012


Barracuda Bang! posted:

Yeah, just got my email. Looks like I didn't get through this time. Thanks again to Business of Ferrets and the_chavi for all the help, though. I think I was a lot better off with your help than without it and even though I didn't make it this year, I still really appreciate it.

Just gonna have to keep trying.

Same here, no dice on the QEP. I second the thanks to BoF and the_chavi, they made my wimpy stories much, much better. I'll keep trying also, for some reason I like taking the FSOT. I also upgraded my Microsoft cert to something current so I plan on giving the IMS route a go!

problematique
Apr 3, 2008

What saves a man is to take a step. Then another step. It is always the same step, but you have to take it.

So this may be a dumb question but where do you guys eat, in a place like Yemen? If you can't get off post does that mean your confined to the post cafeteria? Is the food really hit or miss with these places? Could you buy groceries at post and make food at home or does everyone just eat prepared food?

Homie S
Aug 6, 2001

This is what it means

problematique posted:

So this may be a dumb question but where do you guys eat, in a place like Yemen? If you can't get off post does that mean your confined to the post cafeteria? Is the food really hit or miss with these places? Could you buy groceries at post and make food at home or does everyone just eat prepared food?

Totally unrelated but does the AQ Burger in Sanaa still have good swharma? AND THE CAKES.

Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

Beware the man who has lived longer than the Wasteland.

Read paragraph 65.


And just in time, my friend who got me started on this process in the first place just got her rejection letter.

Bruxism posted:

Awesome story! I'm a big fan of your posts and especially of your advocacy for Wasteland 2. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help/encourage your entrance into the Foreign Service!
That is awfully nice of you and your perpetually grinding teeth. I seriously appreciate the kind words. Now I am going to make all of my narratives about how somebody thought I made good posts once.

(also I just got to your first post in this thread and your job sounds fascinating, did you go through this process or do you just work with those who do?)

Nutrimentia posted:

If you score well at the OA or have bonus points from language or previous service, your chances are good no matter which track. The shorter the registers, the less this risk. Because of the common misbelief that its "easier" to get in via the Consular cone, the consular registery was one of the biggest back then. The fact is that your cone is irrelevant until the very end of the process, after you've passed the written, PNQ, oral assessment, med clearance, security clearance, final suitability review and are on the register. I discourage picking a cone based on a calculation that the cone will help/hurt chances of selection. Pick the cone of what you want to do and ride it out. Quarex, you seem to have done this and i'm not directly this advice at you per se.
That is awesome to hear. The only thing I am really good at (professionally speaking) is deciding to do something and then never giving up on it. So, time to get "PUBLIC DIPLOMACY" tattooed on my knuckles (I have 18 fingers).

The consular-popularity-conundrum thing makes a lot of sense--if everyone hears something is the "easiest" way to do something, then after that news gets around, that thing will be overrun.

(Somehow I doubt my two years of Swedish are going to get me any extra points though)

SCRwM posted:

Shirts are one thing I definitely need to get. When I was prepping for the OA's I tried on the dress shirts I had and quickly realized the necks were way to small ...
Ooh, why were they too small? Had you been doing neck-workouts, or were they too small in the first place? When I actually wore a tie for the first time I was super-confused to learn that all of my dress shirts that fit my torso perfectly were about, oh, infinitely too small for my neck in order to actually close for a tie.

Also am I really the only person who never has to wear suits for anything who actually thinks the idea of "having" to wear suits is kind of awesome? I would finally get to figure out how to find affordable suits for someone shaped like a triangle!

Xandu
Feb 19, 2006


It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am.

mtreecorner posted:

We don't get out much. Professionally, it is very hard on officers who need to get out to meet contacts. Unless it is at a specific location (Ex. Another embassy or ministry), it generally doesn't happen. We try to bring people TO us to keep off the streets. Personally, it can be very draining. We really only are in two locations unless you have a very specific need to go somewhere else. As a specialist, I don't really NEED to leave our compound... so I get out even less so. While it is easy to complain about it... it is very much needed. Kidnappings of westerners happen quite often and AQAP is pretty serious about getting to US Diplomats. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012...E8BU02I20121231 Thank god my next R&R is in June.

We make our own fun though. This post actually has a good amount of Entry-Level Officers (who were assigned before it was AIP). At one point, most sections were being run by ELOs becuase of staffing issues. So, in a weird way, the community here is very good. This may change as we stop letting ELOs come though.

I must also say though that some of the most friendly people in the world I have met are Yemeni. It is very sad that small groups of people can hold the country hostage. I'm really pulling for this country to succeed.

Diplomaticus posted:


Here, the OIG report from 2010 in Sanaa is reasonably close to still relevant (3 years is really the relevancy limit given personnel changes) and is cleared for public release. I think you'll find some of what you're looking for there, but keep in mind that much of the security stuff is redacted or discussed in the annex that is obviously not publicly available.


Thanks for the response, guys. Interesting stuff. It's a cool country, but sounds like a difficult place to be when working for the US government.



So does this mean they're going to reopen DSS positions soon?

quote:

With Congressional support, the Department is creating 151 new Diplomatic Security positions -- 113 are expected to be hired this fiscal year. The remainder will be hired in FY14.


http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/05/209672.htm

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009


DS includes a lot more than Special Agents but could be good news for S/A hopefuls.

mute
Jul 17, 2004


Quarex posted:

Also am I really the only person who never has to wear suits for anything who actually thinks the idea of "having" to wear suits is kind of awesome? I would finally get to figure out how to find affordable suits for someone shaped like a triangle!

I've never had to wear suits at any job except for the interview, but I've got a couple (and will be picking some more up as soon as I get my confirmation letter). I will miss my days of jeans and polo shirts.

I will not, however, miss destroyed clothing every week or so.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

This is an accurate representation of my current level of enjoyment.

Tyro posted:

DS includes a lot more than Special Agents but could be good news for S/A hopefuls.

Yeah, this is awesome. I've been waiting the greater part of a year to just apply. Hopefully it opens on schedule (late summer at the earliest, as far as I know).

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d1rtbag
Sep 13, 2012

Eternal Man-Child


Business of Ferrets posted:

Most of mine are tailored large just so they fit!

That's why I like the diplomatically-labeled 'executive fit'

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