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The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

zzonkmiles posted:

2011: Passed FSOT. Failed QEP.
2012: Passed FSOT. Failed QEP.
2013: Passed FSOT. Passed QEP. Failed OA.
2014: Passed FSOT. Passed QEP. Failed OA.
2015: Passed FSOT. Passed QEP. OA: ???

I'm very fortunate to get a third shot at the OA. I really need to be careful this time.

Hell yes!! Congrats! My best friend is on his 4th try too -- second attempt at the OAs. Based on my understanding, the PNQ is real filter. OA acceptance rates seems to stay within a rather static band. PNQs can contract and expand based on need.

Quick clarification about R&R: you use annual leave, right? All it really provides is a flight?

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Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
There are a couple older CA FSOs in my training class, and I've been talking to them about applying into Consular Affairs next time I take the FSOT. They make it sound really interesting, and being in CA civil service will probably help me as I'll already have learned a good chunk of the information already.

QuackAttackAggie
Dec 16, 2014

The Mantis posted:

Hell yes!! Congrats! My best friend is on his 4th try too -- second attempt at the OAs. Based on my understanding, the PNQ is real filter. OA acceptance rates seems to stay within a rather static band. PNQs can contract and expand based on need.

Quick clarification about R&R: you use annual leave, right? All it really provides is a flight?

Correct. You can also use unpaid time off.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Slaan posted:

being in CA civil service will probably help me as I'll already have learned a good chunk of the information already.

Do you work at SA-17? I'm stuck there for a while, hate everything and don't know anybody.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH
Nah. I'm at one of the passport agencies in the south. Mine only has like 40 people total. Super small.

zzonkmiles
Mar 3, 2014

Oh, he was just arbitrarily saying stuff.

The Mantis posted:

Hell yes!! Congrats! My best friend is on his 4th try too -- second attempt at the OAs. Based on my understanding, the PNQ is real filter. OA acceptance rates seems to stay within a rather static band. PNQs can contract and expand based on need.

Thanks man.

Yeah, the FSOT may weed out the pretenders and the people who simply don't have the knowledge base to advance, but the QEP is where most legit candidacies go to die. I would REALLY like to not need to take my chances with the QEP yet again.

Anyway, I just registered for the OA today. Fingers are crossed. I need to join a study group now.

EDIT: Today was the first day of A-100. Congrats to all the new FSOs out there! Good luck!

the_chavi
Mar 2, 2005

Toilet Rascal

zzonkmiles posted:

EDIT: Today was the first day of A-100. Congrats to all the new FSOs out there! Good luck!

A friend of mine is in this class, and I got a chance to look at the bid list today. All CON jobs, but there are some pretty sweet places on there...

Zoots
Apr 19, 2007

No passport for you.

the_chavi posted:

A friend of mine is in this class

Hey me too. I'm also gonna be in a panel session for this class. Finally living the dream.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
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Time Crisis Actor fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Jan 20, 2017

the_chavi
Mar 2, 2005

Toilet Rascal

Deathy McDeath posted:

Hey there foreign service goons. Longtime reader, first time poster.

I'm starting the application for the fall internship program and am looking for advice. My field of study (undergraduate) is the Middle East, with a particular focus on Iranian affairs. I know that we're not likely to have diplomatic relations with them any time soon, but I want to choose an embassy that might deal with that subject. I was thinking either Azerbaijan or Bahrain. Are there better choices? I chose NEA bureau for my primary choice.

As a corollary to the first, are there any other bureaus that deal with Iran? I was thinking either INR or CPI, but I've heard that those kinds of bureaus rarely take interns. Should I look elsewhere?

Thanks guys. You do important work.

Tons of places "deal with" Iran - its neighbors, major trade partners in Europe and Asia, ideological allies in Latin America, etc. It all comes down to specifics of a certain country's relations - Turkey will be very different from Russia or Bahrain. Nonetheless, I would recommend that you consider interning in NEA domestically or abroad (we do have an office of Iranian affairs in NEA), as you're most likely to come across Iranian issues there, and it's arguably what you're most qualified for if you specialize in Middle East stuff. Keep in mind, however, that there's no guarantee you'll be working on the narrow specific issue that you prefer in an internship. By getting in the door in an office or post that hires you, you may get to work on that, but more likely you'll be doing duties as assigned - where you can learn about a lot of things in addition to your specialty.

Nutrimentia
Apr 30, 2013

You're a cantaloupe!
Keep in mind we are hired into the FS as generalists. You have the opportunity to choose regional specialities but don't start thinking you can get in and just focus on a particular country or concept. You'll be pretty bummed to get sent to Brazil and Indonesian (with language both times!) for your first two assignments, then perhaps a DC follow-on, putting you into your eighth or ninth year in the FS before you even get near where you want to be.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
But you may fall in love with Brazil or Indonesia along the way, so who cares?

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?
Also think of the food.

Nutrimentia
Apr 30, 2013

You're a cantaloupe!

Bloodnose posted:

But you may fall in love with Brazil or Indonesia along the way, so who cares?

Good point. I didn't mean it as a bad thing. :) But I don't want our potential colleague to be one of "those guys" when it comes to crapping in everyone's oatmeal about how stupid the FS is for not sending him where he wants to go.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

Nutrimentia posted:

Good point. I didn't mean it as a bad thing. :) But I don't want our potential colleague to be one of "those guys" when it comes to crapping in everyone's oatmeal about how stupid the FS is for not sending him where he wants to go.

Yeah we have one of those (couples) and holy hell they're the worst

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

The Mantis posted:

Yeah we have one of those (couples) and holy hell they're the worst

Yup.

In another news, TM2 is in. gently caress I wish I could extend here :(

the_chavi
Mar 2, 2005

Toilet Rascal

Nutrimentia posted:

Good point. I didn't mean it as a bad thing. :) But I don't want our potential colleague to be one of "those guys" when it comes to crapping in everyone's oatmeal about how stupid the FS is for not sending him where he wants to go.

I think I've told this story before, but a woman in my A-100 class quit on day two because there were no posts in Germany on our bid list and she didn't see the point in continuing. I mean, she spoke German! Why would they send her to Mexico or Mali?

zzonkmiles
Mar 3, 2014

Oh, he was just arbitrarily saying stuff.

the_chavi posted:

I think I've told this story before, but a woman in my A-100 class quit on day two because there were no posts in Germany on our bid list and she didn't see the point in continuing. I mean, she spoke German! Why would they send her to Mexico or Mali?

When that happened, did they pluck someone else off the register at the last minute to fill her space? Shouldn't be TOO hard to cram in two missed days of material, right?

the_chavi
Mar 2, 2005

Toilet Rascal

zzonkmiles posted:

When that happened, did they pluck someone else off the register at the last minute to fill her space? Shouldn't be TOO hard to cram in two missed days of material, right?

Nope. We started at 62 and ended up graduating 59 (a few others quit for a variety of reasons, but none were egregious like that).

QuackAttackAggie
Dec 16, 2014

the_chavi posted:

Nope. We started at 62 and ended up graduating 59 (a few others quit for a variety of reasons, but none were egregious like that).

Woah! We haven't lost anybody yet after 10 months.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?
I'm sure this was in the DC thread. And yeah, it's total facebook grandma level reposting, but lmao nonetheless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SemqaC3UdI

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
It was in the DC thread and I heard it being blasted in one of the only other occupied offices at SA-17 this morning.

Or maybe he was watching another Downfall parody. You really can't tell from the audio alone.

zzonkmiles
Mar 3, 2014

Oh, he was just arbitrarily saying stuff.
What is this mysterious DC thread of which you are speaking?

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
It's in LAN Also officially a snow day tomorrow. Yay.

Giodo!
Oct 29, 2003

My first TDY in a year got canceled by this storm, so I"d better get a snow day as compensation.

dalliance
Oct 9, 2012
If anyone in here is doing a tour at Main State, I'd love to meet up and get some advice from all you experienced people on working for State!

I just got approved for an internship with SCA/NSB from March to May and although I'm currently interning at another federal agency (DOJ), State is where I want to end up and I'm hoping this internship may lead to awesome networking and such.

So excited!

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

dalliance posted:

If anyone in here is doing a tour at Main State, I'd love to meet up and get some advice from all you experienced people on working for State!

I just got approved for an internship with SCA/NSB from March to May and although I'm currently interning at another federal agency (DOJ), State is where I want to end up and I'm hoping this internship may lead to awesome networking and such.

So excited!

congrats! I'm overseas but always available by PM

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I'm at SA-17 (19th and G) and have only been in for a year but like meeting new people.

Nutrimentia
Apr 30, 2013

You're a cantaloupe!
Bloodnose, I thought you were overseas as a consular adjudicator?

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
I thought Bloodnose got medevaced, I guess did not return to post.

Edit in order to not be an inconsiderate jerk: how is the wrist feeling?

Tyro fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jan 29, 2016

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Wrist is good. I was called back to Washington for other reasons. Needs of the Service. Hoping to go overseas again soon.

Giodo!
Oct 29, 2003

dalliance posted:

If anyone in here is doing a tour at Main State, I'd love to meet up and get some advice from all you experienced people on working for State!

I just got approved for an internship with SCA/NSB from March to May and although I'm currently interning at another federal agency (DOJ), State is where I want to end up and I'm hoping this internship may lead to awesome networking and such.

So excited!

I did a 3 month rotation in NSB a few years ago, although everyone I worked with has long moved on. Shoot me a message if you want to get coffee or something.

dalliance
Oct 9, 2012

Giodo! posted:

I did a 3 month rotation in NSB a few years ago, although everyone I worked with has long moved on. Shoot me a message if you want to get coffee or something.

Will do, thanks!

beardown
Feb 16, 2016
Long time lurker, but had to share my excitement. I applied to the IMS opening in December and got a nice Valentine's day present in the form of an OA invite for early March! I've read through 10's if not 100's of pages of posts here and have really appreciated all the great information! Can't wait for the next step in the process!

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

beardown posted:

Long time lurker, but had to share my excitement. I applied to the IMS opening in December and got a nice Valentine's day present in the form of an OA invite for early March! I've read through 10's if not 100's of pages of posts here and have really appreciated all the great information! Can't wait for the next step in the process!

Hey congrats!!!! I know that feeling and it's amazing!!

zzonkmiles
Mar 3, 2014

Oh, he was just arbitrarily saying stuff.
I just made the mistake of looking at the pay tables for FS personnel. Ho. Lee. Crap. That's a lot of money for a starting salary.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

zzonkmiles posted:

I just made the mistake of looking at the pay tables for FS personnel. Ho. Lee. Crap. That's a lot of money for a starting salary.

You and I must have different definitions of "a lot of money," considering most folks I know at work have significant prior work experience and education.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

beardown posted:

Long time lurker, but had to share my excitement. I applied to the IMS opening in December and got a nice Valentine's day present in the form of an OA invite for early March! I've read through 10's if not 100's of pages of posts here and have really appreciated all the great information! Can't wait for the next step in the process!

Congrats and good luck!

zzonkmiles
Mar 3, 2014

Oh, he was just arbitrarily saying stuff.

Tyro posted:

You and I must have different definitions of "a lot of money," considering most folks I know at work have significant prior work experience and education.

If I make it in, I would be coming in as an FS-4, Step 14. PhD and 15 years of work experience. I'm a current fed, so I don't get the advantage of private-sector salaries and bonuses, unfortunately.

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Tyro
Nov 10, 2009
Ah, gotcha. Maxed out 4 is about as good as it gets for entry, so that's awesome for you. I would have also come in as a 4 if I'd accepted my generalist position, but chose the specialist 6 and don't regret it...

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