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I like turtles posted:.44 mag Ruger "old Style" Vaquero, case colored, 5.5" barrel, walnut grips, Single-Action, cowboy gun. $400. Go/no go? I wouldn't mind having one, though I think I'd prefer the new model in .45LC, but the old model has it's pros, like being a loving tank / brick shithouse. Not sure if the lighter, weaker new model could even take .44mag, which the old model does. It's essentially a Blackhawk hiding in cowboy clothes. Not sure what they'd go for in the US though. And if you don't like the sights, there are smiths who can install a S&W pre-war sight for instance in the rear sight groove, it pretty much keeps the nice old SAA lines while giving superior sight picture. EDIT: ChlorineTrifluoride posted:Good price, great gun. The only word of caution is that these guns (even as big as they are) are pretty light for full power .44 mag, the gun can be a bit intimidating to shoot. Also, 44spl, reloading are answers to that. And the SAA grip is actually a very good one for shooting high recoil loads, the gun flips up instead of loving your palm. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at Jan 21, 2010 around 19:16 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Not sure what they'd go for in the US though. For a Vaquero that is a good price here. I doubt you would have any trouble getting $400 back out of it if you decide you want to sell it later. Assuming you could find someone wanting a .44 mag. I think one of the issues with selling these guns is that they are in fact pretty scary to shoot, for most people at least.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Looking at grips for the 17-2 (that I don't own yet), Nill grips are probably the highest up on my want list but drat they are expensive. Looking for possible alternatives of the cheaper variety. From what I can see there the only Squarebutt grip seems to be "Monkeywood" though unless I'm mistaken pretty much any of those could be made "square" with some dremeling. But, tbh, I think you're better off getting the Nills right away, they're really that good. What type of shooting will they be for? I ask because the Nill target type of grip I have for my 617 (with a full back and support) really cramps my DA. (hence I have an open type on order)
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His Divine Shadow posted:I wouldn't mind having one, though I think I'd prefer the new model in .45LC, but the old model has it's pros, like being a loving tank / brick shithouse. Not sure if the lighter, weaker new model could even take .44mag, which the old model does. It's essentially a Blackhawk hiding in cowboy clothes. I believe that the New Model Vaqueros aren't available in .44Mag; I know I'd trade my Super Blackhawk in an instant for an original Vaquero, .44 Mag, polished stainless, 5.5" (or whatever it is) barrel...  personified. Echoing the .44 Special note. It might have been the extra-powderpuff cowboy loads I had, but out of my 7.5" Super Blackhawk, they felt about the same as .45 ACP out of my 1911. .44 Magnum Buffalo Bore +P+ Elephant Destroyers were, shall we say, more "brisk".
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I like turtles posted:.44 mag Ruger "old Style" Vaquero, case colored, 5.5" barrel, walnut grips, Single-Action, cowboy gun. $400. Go/no go? Old timey sights are not for everyone, and IIRC you have vision problems? Make sure you can deal with the sights before you buy one. That is a good deal though but also remember the Old-style is the bigger frame if that matters to you.
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hagrd posted:What type of shooting will they be for? I ask because the Nill target type of grip I have for my 617 (with a full back and support) really cramps my DA. (hence I have an open type on order) I am planning to do mainly DA style shooting. Also it seems like most of the grips I like are made for round butt models... Oh well here are some of the ones I picked out Open back: http://www.nill-shop.com/product_in...products_id=476 Closed back: http://www.nill-shop.com/product_in...products_id=564 (I like this one the most) http://www.nill-shop.com/product_in...products_id=558
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Nill does make a Hemphill grip with an open back, but it's stippled instead of the Rhomlas texture: http://www.nill-shop.com/product_in...products_id=511 The stippled texture is nice but kind of rough on the hands I have pretty big hands, so on a K/L frame, the closed back is ideal for me for double action shooting. On an N-frame, I find myself reaching a bit more but it still doesn't hurt my DA work. The closed back also softens the recoil a little and lets you grip the revolver higher without your hand interfering with the hammer. sza fucked around with this message at Jan 22, 2010 around 06:51 |
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Yeah I got pretty long hands/fingers and I prefer beefy grips, so closed back is probably better for me, atleast on the K-frame.
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sza posted:...stippled texture... This. With the 17 recoil wont be an issue but a good grip during DA is a good thing to have.
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Oh but I like the rhomlas so much... it's so beatiful.
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Bonobos posted:Since you know so much about these revolvers, do Rossi / Taurus have anything like the BS internal locks all S&W revolvers have? Yep.... Same poo poo. ChlorineTrifluoride posted:Picking a Rossi over a Ruger because you already have an old holster seems kind of stupid. Ruger accessories are readily available, there isn't some sort of unusual shortage of them out there. Picking the lesser gun because you don't want to save 10 bucks on a holster? I didn't pick the Rossi because I could save $10. I picked the Rossi because it was on sale for $200.00 and I had the money in my pocket. That it has commonality with other makers models is just gravy. I don't buy a lot of Colt or S&W products because, despite the fan-boy-ism, they are on par with handguns that fill the same niche and are substantially cheaper to purchase. I can totally see collecting a single marque if you like them, but I am not willing to pay extra for the name just because of the name.
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stipples! Function>form DOO EEEET 
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hagrd posted:That beavertail looks like a wrist-breaker. How is it?
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Not a problem at all, in fact, it's very comfortable. Makes for a solid, repeatable grip. The 617 pictured is pretty hefty to begin with and as it is a .22, recoil is pretty much non-existent. Good question though, something I'd actually never thought about. I suppose I'd be hesitant to put something similar on my 629.
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I'm still going with the Rhomlas tho, I couldn't put 100> on a stipled grip when I hate how it looks. Said grips (uh, the rhomlas I mean) will look so good on the M17 though, god I hope I get the permits....
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Oh, I didn't know it was a .22. I just assumed it was bigger. Does it block access to the hammer?
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It does, you can cock it one handed but it's pretty awkward, you want to really cock it all the way back and down and that'll make you shift that perfect grip you just had. Easier shown with a (horrible) picture: 
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Hey I Like Turtles, regarding the sights, I wanted to show you this because I think it's pretty cool, you can always do this which I mentioned earlier, ofcourse it costs  EDIT: I mean if you have problems with the original sights type, if not, why waste the money. http://www.clementscustomguns.com/sights.html Hagrd: How do you like that rear sight? It's an LPA right? His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at Jan 22, 2010 around 22:46 |
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Cool, thanks
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His Divine Shadow posted:Hagrd: How do you like that rear sight? It's an LPA right? Correct, LPA TXT. They're excellent, I highly recommend them. I learned to shoot with an old stock K22 and these really make a difference. ~25k. .22's later and they still look and function as new. They're the only sight I've ever had on this gun, had them installed before I picked it up.
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Looking at picking up a single action revolver at some point in the future, but I'm stuck on which to get. I want a Ruger, but I don't know what caliber. On one hand, I want 45lc because I want a cowboy caliber for my cowboy gun. On the other, 44mag would be good as it's slightly cheaper and interchangeable with a levergun (that I would be buying way down the line). Any suggestions?
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QuarkMartial posted:Looking at picking up a single action revolver at some point in the future, but I'm stuck on which to get. I want a Ruger, but I don't know what caliber. .44 - shooting .44 Special out of a Vaquero is dreamy. Plus, it'll keep the Ghost of Elmer Keith off your back.
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infrared35 posted:.44 - shooting .44 Special out of a Vaquero is dreamy. Plus, it'll keep the Ghost of Elmer Keith off your back. Been reading that thread and it simply fuels my desire for a single action revolver. His ghost is already on my back and anything to remove it would be good. Edit: Though, I do have a followup question: If I shoot 44spl, can I reload it into 44mag? More than likely, since it's so easy to collect the brass, I will be reloading* eventually. *would be dumb not to, I think QuarkMartial fucked around with this message at Jan 25, 2010 around 02:16 |
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You can load .44 Special pretty hot - Elmer Keith did it for years. But the .44 Mag will let you run it hotter, what with the bigger case volume. The case web might be stronger on the .44 Mag as well. I personally stick to the "Special is for light target loads, Magnum is for the hot stuff" formula.
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One pistol that has been on my mind for the future is a .357 magnum revolver, I rather like the idea of being able to shoot .38 special, .38 special +P and .357 magnum from the same gun. I also like the looks of revolvers with a 4" to 6" barrel. I'm not wedded to any particular model or manufacturer, though manufacturers seem pretty slim these days; Ruger, Taurus and Smith & Wesson appear to be the major makers of double action revolvers. Charter Arms looks like they make only snubbies, and Freedom Arms is out of budget. Does anyone have any particular loves or hates about the model they own? Did you buy a particular model and later regret it? What are the advantages / disadvantages of 6-shot vs. 7-shot vs. 8-shot? Any issues with cylinder strength, timing, etc. in the 8-shot versions? Just as a FYI, I haven't gone out and rented any yet, I'm just starting to do research.
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QuarkMartial posted:Edit: Though, I do have a followup question: If I shoot 44spl, can I reload it into 44mag? More than likely, since it's so easy to collect the brass, I will be reloading* eventually. You can load up some max 44spl rounds, but to get into .44mag range you'll have to exceed published loads, which probably isn't a good idea even if the gun can take it (as ir35 points out, the brass _could_ be weaker for .44spl, though I believe---but do not know with absolute certainty---the only difference is case length). The advantage of using .44spl brass in a .44mag gun is that you will get more consistent ignition for very light loads with the smaller case volume.
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infrared35 posted:You can load .44 Special pretty hot - Elmer Keith did it for years. But the .44 Mag will let you run it hotter, what with the bigger case volume. The case web might be stronger on the .44 Mag as well. I personally stick to the "Special is for light target loads, Magnum is for the hot stuff" formula. kwantam posted:You can load up some max 44spl rounds, but to get into .44mag range you'll have to exceed published loads, which probably isn't a good idea even if the gun can take it (as ir35 points out, the brass _could_ be weaker for .44spl, though I believe---but do not know with absolute certainty---the only difference is case length). Thanks for the info. I've settled on a .44mag Blackhawk and I'll get one in a couple months for sure. I'll take the advice and stick with keeping 44spl loads light (like reloaded to cowboy action type stuff) and keep my 44mag for...well magnum rounds. Pigsfeet on Rye posted:One pistol that has been on my mind for the future is a .357 magnum revolver, I rather like the idea of being able to shoot .38 special, .38 special +P and .357 magnum from the same gun. I also like the looks of revolvers with a 4" to 6" barrel. I'm not wedded to any particular model or manufacturer, though manufacturers seem pretty slim these days; Ruger, Taurus and Smith & Wesson appear to be the major makers of double action revolvers. Charter Arms looks like they make only snubbies, and Freedom Arms is out of budget. Does anyone have any particular loves or hates about the model they own? Did you buy a particular model and later regret it? What are the advantages / disadvantages of 6-shot vs. 7-shot vs. 8-shot? Any issues with cylinder strength, timing, etc. in the 8-shot versions? Just as a FYI, I haven't gone out and rented any yet, I'm just starting to do research. I haven't shot one, but the S&W 686 gets recommended a lot. I own several S&W snubnose revolvers and they shoot wonderfully and I wouldn't think twice about buying a 686. I handled one at a gun show with a 6" barrel and it seemed to balance and handle really well. It was heavy, which will help absorb some of the recoil, but it didn't seem unwieldy with that 6" barrel on there.
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QuarkMartial posted:I haven't shot one, but the S&W 686 gets recommended a lot. I own several S&W snubnose revolvers and they shoot wonderfully and I wouldn't think twice about buying a 686. I handled one at a gun show with a 6" barrel and it seemed to balance and handle really well. It was heavy, which will help absorb some of the recoil, but it didn't seem unwieldy with that 6" barrel on there. They're not unwieldy at all in my opinion. I have a 6" 586 and before I bought it, used to rent a 6" 686 at the range now and again. Recoil on .38 is very light, though you definitely do feel the .357 Magnum.
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I own a 6" 686-7 and like it a lot, there's not a lot of recoil with .357, enough that you'll notice it to be sure, but in my opinion it just makes things a little more interesting. I like the sights, trigger is pretty nice, etc. On the other hand, I did have some strange issue with the trigger shooting SA, kind of hard to describe, but every so often the trigger would "bind", and it'd require a lot more force than usual to pull the trigger. I sent it off to S&W and they fixed it with no hassles at all. I'm pretty happy with it overall.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:One pistol that has been on my mind for the future is a .357 magnum revolver, I rather like the idea of being able to shoot .38 special, .38 special +P and .357 magnum from the same gun. I also like the looks of revolvers with a 4" to 6" barrel. I'm not wedded to any particular model or manufacturer, though manufacturers seem pretty slim these days; Ruger, Taurus and Smith & Wesson appear to be the major makers of double action revolvers. Charter Arms looks like they make only snubbies, and Freedom Arms is out of budget. Does anyone have any particular loves or hates about the model they own? Did you buy a particular model and later regret it? What are the advantages / disadvantages of 6-shot vs. 7-shot vs. 8-shot? Any issues with cylinder strength, timing, etc. in the 8-shot versions? Just as a FYI, I haven't gone out and rented any yet, I'm just starting to do research. Go for S&W, Ruger, or sometimes, Dan Wesson if you find one. Those are the only 3 modern revolver manufacturers I would ever recommend to a new wheelgun buyer. Ignore Taurus, Charter Arms, Rossi, etc.
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Chill_Bebop posted:Go for S&W, Ruger, or sometimes, Dan Wesson if you find one. Those are the only 3 modern revolver manufacturers I would ever recommend to a new wheelgun buyer. Ignore Taurus, Charter Arms, Rossi, etc. Thanks, I had heard that people tended to dismiss Taurus and Rossi. Dan Wesson seems limited to a used gun market, they don't seem to make any revolvers since being acquired by CZ (or at least I didn't see any on the CZ/Wesson website). Interestingly enough, the Model 686 is the general style that seems to catch my eye, along with the 386, 627 and for some reason, the 327 M&P. Semper wifi, was that trigger problem one of a kind, or did they have a manufacturing issue?
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Thanks, I had heard that people tended to dismiss Taurus and Rossi. Dan Wesson seems limited to a used gun market, they don't seem to make any revolvers since being acquired by CZ (or at least I didn't see any on the CZ/Wesson website). I'm not sure, when it first happened and I started looking on the internet for people with a similar issue I didn't find anything, but I suspect there's a term for the problem that I'm ignorant of.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Thanks, I had heard that people tended to dismiss Taurus and Rossi. The thing is that it isn't like all Taurus, Rossi, or other 'off brand' revolvers are guaranteed to be bad. It is just that you can get fine used Rugers or Smiths for about the same price you would pay for a Taurus or Rossi generally. It's sort of like buying the Yugo when you can get a Toyota for the same price, or a very small amount of money more.
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The main modern advantage to the .44 Special is that you can fit it into a much smaller framed gun than a .44mag. I believe the modern "Keith Load" is a 255g bullet at like 1200fps, which is enough to kill most anything around here. That load is only safe for stuff like Blackhawks and FA revolvers and such however. Also 686s rule. 
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bunnielab posted:That load is only safe for stuff like Blackhawks and FA revolvers and such however.  Holy poo poo 340gr let's see if it can get here before Saturday I hate my hands
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hah, I love you. But please put the wooden grips back on there, God is watching and judging you.
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If God is really watching, he's seen me do things much worse than "put rubber grips on a blued revolver."
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bunnielab posted:Wow, that 686 really looks like a work of art without wonky-rear end Houges on it.
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:Does anyone have any particular loves or hates about the model they own? Did you buy a particular model and later regret it? What are the advantages / disadvantages of 6-shot vs. 7-shot vs. 8-shot? Any issues with cylinder strength, timing, etc. in the 8-shot versions? Just as a FYI, I haven't gone out and rented any yet, I'm just starting to do research. I have a S&W model 27 and a model 586. Either is a phenomenal choice (as would be a model 627, 28, or 686). While I prefer Smiths, Rugers are great, too. The general consensus is that 7 and 8-shot revolver models typically go out of time easier. That's not to say that they will go out of time, or that you're going to shoot such a gun enough to actually wear it down to that point, but simply that they have a higher propensity to do so than the 6-shot versions.
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Uncle Caveman posted:If God is really watching, he's seen me do things much worse than "put rubber grips on a blued revolver." Ahem King Carnivore posted:Wow, that 686 really looks like a work of art without wonky-rear end Houges on it. In all seriousness, if they swap out quickly then bring both. I still maintain that the wooden ones handle the recoil better but maybe it is just my small hands. The UPS guy assures me that I will have my ammo order tomorrow so we will have 50r of magtech to play with.
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