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OldschoolDOS posted:I really want a cowboy style .22 with case hardening and brass bits but no one seems to have one in stock. I am one well priced single six or Dan Wesson away from an unfulfilling impulse buy The only .22 cowboy gun I can recall off the top of my head with brass was the Ruger Bearcat, but I suspect there's some European clones that may have had brass grip frames - one of the FIE family of companies and brands. Possibly the Navy Arms Italian imports, too. Check Heritage, maybe? Although I don't think those are case-hardened (zinc alloy, steel-framed are available to some extent), a fake case-hardening effect can be done by stripping the paint and applying a cold-blue solution - I've seen some nice jobs done on Henry .22s at Rimfire Central, in the Henry forum. (Check the pictures thread - I can't get there from work anymore.) Good luck - if you find one that fits the bill, post here (and pics!) so we can all drool...
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| # ¿ Dec 30, 2009 17:48 |
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I've just been looking over Spegel grips for my soon-to-be-paid-off High Power (FEG clone). It looks like Spegel HP grips are running in the US$100-125 range, and that he doesn't make the Delrin ones I want very often due to disliking the manufacturing process of those ones specifically. (Leading me to wonder if he's pressing his own blanks or something, because the Delrin process can easily be hosed up and produce formaldehyde gas or something.) In any event, his wood grips are niiiice. You might see if Cylinder & Slide have revolver grips as well, as they're one of his outlets.
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| # ¿ Jan 21, 2010 17:59 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:I wouldn't mind having one, though I think I'd prefer the new model in .45LC, but the old model has it's pros, like being a loving tank / brick shithouse. Not sure if the lighter, weaker new model could even take .44mag, which the old model does. It's essentially a Blackhawk hiding in cowboy clothes. I believe that the New Model Vaqueros aren't available in .44Mag; I know I'd trade my Super Blackhawk in an instant for an original Vaquero, .44 Mag, polished stainless, 5.5" (or whatever it is) barrel...  personified. Echoing the .44 Special note. It might have been the extra-powderpuff cowboy loads I had, but out of my 7.5" Super Blackhawk, they felt about the same as .45 ACP out of my 1911. .44 Magnum Buffalo Bore +P+ Elephant Destroyers were, shall we say, more "brisk".
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| # ¿ Jan 21, 2010 23:32 |
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QuarkMartial posted:I'm doing some preliminary research on Ruger Blackhawks; I really want one and so I'm doing lots of reading. Suggestions on diagrams/disassembly info? I know the basics of how to disassemble one, so I'm really looking for diagrams of the insides and such. My New Model Super Blackhawk's trigger doesn't seem bad, per se, although I've got no trigger time on unmodified SA revolvers other than my cheap .22; I will say that it feels a little "odd" when resetting after firing - just transfer bar and all that disconnecting, I suspect. Not a deal-breaker, IMO. The stock transfer-bar does remove half-cock and free-pawl-spin, however. It goes from a standard SA "click-click-click-click" cocking to "click-CLACK", which annoys your cowboy-action purists. (You can spin the cylinder still, but only with the loading gate open.) I don't know if you can slap your stock parts back in and go, but I do know there's aftermarket pawl & spring kits to bring back the original functions and sounds. (Might be for New Model guns with the transfer-bar as stock. Can't research from work anymore.  )
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| # ¿ Jan 27, 2010 17:41 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:DJ's by my place had 3 sets of them when I last dug through their grips box. I have seen quite a few $5 pairs at the shows. The factory grips are kind of small, I think most people have always hated them and slapped pachmayr grips on them as soon as they could. If you end up at the Puyallup show before you make that order I doubt you will have any trouble finding a super cheap set. Hmm? See any Super Blackhawk grips cheap at the wetside shows? I still need to replace the factory rubber monolith on my .44.
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| # ¿ Feb 3, 2010 19:24 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:I see them. Thinking back over the last couple shows I think the cheapest I have seen them was $20, although I was just looking at the factory Ruger walnut + medallion grips. There is a guy who usually has a case full of them also, but I think his are usually a bit more. But if you want some of those fancy laminate grips he always seems to have them. Factory walnut would still be an immense improvement over factory Hogues. Of course, I'm over here in Spokane, and the closest I'll likely get to wetside shows is next weekend's one down in Tri-Cities (Pasco? I think), and I might not get to that if my tax return doesn't arrive before next Thursday.
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| # ¿ Feb 4, 2010 18:19 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:Well I can search for grips too and let you know when I find a pair. I'm sure wrapping them up in come bubble wrap and popping them in the mail would be pretty cheap. I would need to know if you have a price range, are picky about condition, and if you need the screw with them. I'm pretty sure I'd need the screw - the Hogues have a bottom-screw that fits into a swiveling strap-piece on the bottom og ther grip frame. $20-25 (I'm a cheap bastard) plus shipping, I guess. Wood, not totally destroyed/covered in spooge/terribly broken - worn, gouged, chipped OK. I figured I might as well try your luck, seeing as how I might not get to the Tri-Cities show, and I think the next Spokane one is April.  Who knows, amybe someone else will pop up with some wood to offer?Is there a difference between regular Blackhawk grips and the Super Blackhawk ones? I know I have that cool-looking squared-back triggerguard...
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| # ¿ Feb 5, 2010 18:02 |
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Whoah, just saw some sweet ebony Super Blackhawk grips at Hogue - never looked there before, as I associated them more with the rubber.
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2010 17:55 |
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And I got wood!  Original Ruger wood grips for the Super Blackhawk, medallions, screw and all: $15, slightly chipped. (There was a nice Ajax black plastic set, but it was apparently for the original Blackhawk and wouldn't fit.Horrible pics coming Monday or so, the wireless Internet here blows.
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| # ¿ Feb 13, 2010 22:32 |
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Oh my, that worked nicely. I forsee my cheap-knockoff-rotary-tool getting some use in this manner - Bubba done got at the Webley before I bought it.
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| # ¿ Feb 19, 2010 18:20 |
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<droooool> Click here for the full 1280x1024 image. New Merwin-Hulbert .44 Russian.
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| # ¿ Feb 20, 2010 00:38 |
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That's all I have. I'm firewalled-and-blue-balled at work nowadays. Thought it looked kinda CGI from the full-size, but <shrug> it's still neat-looking. (Obviously, my Webley isn't strange enough for my tastes. )
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| # ¿ Feb 20, 2010 00:49 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:Oh, and because I love to gloat. Just got back from the gun show. A guy had a pile of random boxes of ammo, when I asked him how much he wanted for the full box of 50 PMC .44 Magnum he said "All ammo is $4 a box". I made out like a bandit. Why couldn't that guy have been in Kennewick last weekend? I even had money... poo poo, I might have bought him out and sold or PIF'd all the stuff i couldn't use.
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| # ¿ Feb 22, 2010 10:53 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:My old Speer reloading manual from the 70s has sections that list loads with the header: "For Ruger Revolvers and Thompson Center Contenders Only!" Elmer Keith would probably say "Guess it'll do, for such a small caliber. "Beeb - they make aftermarket spring'n'pawl kits to restore three-click/free-spin/half-cock features to them new-fangled transfer-bar Rugers. I've seen some advertised in gun mags, but check around Cowboy Action Shooter sites and you'll probably find sources and reviews.
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| # ¿ Feb 26, 2010 19:23 |
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Finally got around to taking out the Super Blackhawk with the wood grips I bought in February. The only ammo I have currently is the Buffalo Bore +P+ elephant destroyers, but I figured hey, how the pistol will "roll up" in my hand like it's supposed to!  Hoo-boy does it roll. It also pounds straight back to do so. *Definitely* more perceived recoil than the Hogues, and now I see why people comment on that pretty squared-back trigger guard. Next time I'll try .44 Special and a less impressive level of Magnum, see what happens.
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| # ¿ Mar 14, 2010 19:52 |
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bunnielab posted:I will admit that the custom .41spl on a SingleSix frame makes for an ugly, but really appealing handgun. [Elmer] Boy, you don't think I'm gonna let you toss that comment off with no links or pictures now, did ya? <spits chaw> [/Elmer]
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| # ¿ Mar 18, 2010 23:37 |
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BaronW posted:If it hurts you clearly aren't using awesome SAA grips like on my SBH. My last range trip with the now-Ruger-wood-gripped SBH was painful. However, I was shooting the Buffalo Bore +P+ elephant destroyers, and throwing a coffee can of lead downrange kind of leads to that result. I expect there'd be no pain on the receiving end, however...
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| # ¿ Mar 19, 2010 21:45 |
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It's "Uberti - Italy" for standard maufacturer/country of origin purposes, and, being Uberti, they don't go for the obnoxious billboards. (Also, they can sell more to cowboy-action types if they're closer to the original.) Taylor's is the importer (or possibly Uberti is making them specifically for Taylor's, I dunno for sure). Google you some Taylor's + Guns and see what pops up. They have a poo poo-ton of Uberti spare parts, apparently - if I was willing to drop serious coin, I could just about *build* one of those 1866 Yellowboy .22s like I just bought.
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| # ¿ Apr 15, 2010 17:02 |
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Note also Uberti is now making 10-shot .22 Stallions (single-action clone). Spendy, but if you *really* want an higher-capacity SAA-type, it's that, USFA's 12/22 ($$$) or an H&R or something. Also seen whilst wandering the Uberti forums - at some point, they made a revolving "Cattleman's Carbine"-type rifle in .22... which immediately tempts me to pick up another cheapo Heritage Rough Rider/precursor, and start fiddling. Replacing the barrel with an actual rifle-length one would be the easy part, I expect. You'd have to make a grip-frame from scratch, usable with a shoulder stock... but, properly designed, you could just add a tang-mounted peep sight straightaway, and the new (hexagonal, of course) barrel can be dovetailed for the globe front sight. Even better would be to use a .22 Mag revolver, or a .22/.22 Mag conversion. The Magnum cylinders are usually unfluted, and the extra barrel length would be even more useful in that caliber. (I should bounce this off Captain Fuzychin, and see how much he drools...) Late edit: here's a small pic off the Uberti forums - it looks like an actual 1858 Remington (clone) frame was used.  Also, there was in the mid-'80s or so a "Canada Scout" .22 revolving rifle made, but that's all the info I can find so far. (Appeared in an "S.I.R." catalog, whatever that is.) Ygolonac fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2010 around 04:29 |
| # ¿ Apr 29, 2010 18:04 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:oh you can, can you? Depends on if you're a putz and run it up too close to the hammer's arc. Considering that all kinds of external-hammer lever-actions either have factory or aftermarket tang-mounted sights, I suspect that issue has been dealt with since.. oh, the late 1800s or so? :clintbert: Update on the pictured .22 version - it's an EMF "Texas Carbine", and is a Remington 1858-based frame design. One was just up on GB earlier this April, no bids at $750.
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| # ¿ Apr 30, 2010 17:31 |
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Note that Clint is rocking SAAs, not cartridge-converted BP guns, in A Fistful Of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More. Recently, I saw articles regarding converting BP-revolvers into full-on cartridge guns, by way of actual frame mods for the loading gate, et cetera. Uberti does make cartridge versions of the 1858 Remington, among others. (http://www.uberti.com/firearms/army...nd_open_top.php)
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| # ¿ Jun 6, 2010 03:17 |
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HotCanadianChick posted:.... considering even cheap WWB .44mag is ~$1 a round Oh ye of lovely ammo prices. Cabela's has HSM bulk .44 Mag (240 gr. SWC) at $190/300, and Magtech (240 gr. SJSP) at $170/250. Hell, they have WWB 240 gr. JSP for $36/50. Still the high side of $0.50/round, but not as bad as yuou're making it out to be. Might be able to find cheaper, but not behind the firewall at work.
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| # ¿ Jun 8, 2010 16:37 |
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Check ye the cowboy-action forums - I'm certain you'll find specific end-user-capable Uberti tweaks to make them
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| # ¿ Jun 9, 2010 16:51 |
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Welp, I saw something cheap on Gunbroker and was tempted; I will be receiving a Rossi 68 frame with some parts soon - .38 Special, 3" barrel, frame has been sandblasted  but cylinder has not. Trigger and some innards, but no hammer or sideplate, possibly no ejector rod. Not bad for $53... the "parts kit" I need is usually selling for $15-30, when it's on GB. (Strip everything off an impound gun before destroying the frame.) If I feel *really* ballsy, I can get a 2" snub barrel, too...It's a revolver, how complicated could it be?   I'll probably have the cylinder and replacement sideplate blasted to match, as a base for whatever godawful finish I can throw at it - avacado refridgerator paint, maybe. Worst comes to worst, I can probably unload it at a gunshow or something, or maybe find a sucker FTF. 
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| # ¿ Jun 15, 2010 18:03 |
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Hmm, I'm kind of thinking of maybe copper-plating my Rossi. Finish is already removed, mostly, that makes it easier. Bought some Thai rosewood crips off GB for it: 
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| # ¿ Jun 20, 2010 17:47 |
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QuarkMartial posted:But, for a big fuckoff revolver, I'm looking to pick up one of Magnum Research's 45/70 gov't revolvers (eventually). Provided they're good revolvers and such - I've just not researched them, and won't for a while. A BH in 44mag is only the first step into the world of BFRs. Naw, get a Ruger converted for .500 Linebaugh - you can do frontal headshots on elephants with those. (Guns & Ammo article on massively magnum revolvers, YMMV, but *elephant hunting handguns*.)
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| # ¿ Jun 25, 2010 17:39 |
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My "project" Rossi 68 shipped! YAY! UPS says it was delivered YAY! DELIVERY: PORCH YA... Waitaminnit, it's a *firearm*, did they just dump'n'depart? Haven't heard from my FFL yet. Hope this isn't a bad sign...
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| # ¿ Jul 1, 2010 17:23 |
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The Rossi was actually delivered properly ( UPS!), and surprise! It actually has the sideplate... well, *a* sideplate, which almost fits. :| Screw-holes line up, so I can fiddle the rest. Also has an extra trigger, a hammer and a mainspring/mainspring shaft (rod? stick?), which were the other glaringly-obvious missing parts from the auction pic. (Grips, too, but I've got those covered.) Mostly-assembled as well, which meant that I immediately had to figure out how to install the crane.  After adding the hammer, everything mostly works - obviously, the hammer has to either drop by gravity or (occasionally) be thumbed back down; I suspect I need to *lightly and carefully* clean up the clockworkery, or maybe it'll clear up with the sideplate screwed in Cylinder has some external minor rust, and the sandblasted frame still has a few small pits from rust... I might have to get a dremel after all, to polish the exterior smooth'n'pretty before I gently caress up the new finish. I also have to spend time googlin' around to find out what size brass stock I have to buy to make a rear-sight blade out of. ("No longer available", on a late '70s/early-to-mid '80s gun, no surprise there.) I can probably fake the grips with duct tape and rubber bands  if I have to, but the sideplate screws are needed for sure, and the mainspring swivel, which keeps the mainspring from wandering off all untensioned through the mainspring support piece. I might be able to fake that with an acorn nut drilled through for shaft clearance, though. Timing looks good to me, based on what I see on the Webley, the Rugers and my FIE sixgun. The cylinder gap looks OK, I guess, but I have to doublecheck the Ron Mexico guide to be sure. If my parts are in today or tomorrow (depending on shipping), I might even be able to take it out and UPDATE! The parts kit was here when I got home! First thing I tried was the sideplate - only to discover that yes, it *was * possible to fit even more badly than the one I already had. <sigh> Got to do a cylinder swap immediately, as the new one had the proper-length extractor rod for the 3-inch barrel. Hey, maybe swapping the hammer would be a good idea too! No. Without the mainspring, both hammers function OK, but once there's tension, the new hammer will cock. And can't be released. Cue popping the sideplate off and *carefully* slipping the hammer off its pivot-pin, so as not to end up chasing mainspring, shaft and swivel across the room.Back to the old hammer, and... my, that's a lot of trigger-pull. 8-10 pounds maybe more, certainly worse than the Llama was when I first got it. Lemme try single-action... uhm, single-action *should* be lighter than double-action correct? I seem to have to readjust my grip to get more leverage on the trigger to make the hammer drop - there's drat near no travel at that point, either. I'm beginning to suspect that the previous owner couldn't find a Model 68 parts kit originally, and "fitted" one from a later model (possibly a Rossi 88 - I know one of the baggies that came with the gun had a note with that designation). If it was doing this for him, I can see why he's be willing to ditch it cheap. (That would also explain the extra grind marks on some parts, and possibly why the hammer doesn't want to reset all the way sometimes.) I'll probably spend a good part of this weekend googling How Wheelguns Work and staring at the parts trying to figure out what does which and why. However, it *works*. Not very well, but it doesn't *not* work. Ygolonac fucked around with this message at Jul 3, 2010 around 06:25 |
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Hrrm. With the original hammer, trigger and... uhm, reset spring thing, I get DA/SA, with hideous triggerpull even in SA (trigger-not-moving ever levels, single-action.) Swapping with a different hammer gives me.. total lockup to where I have to take off the sideplate and pry the hammer out again. The second hammer, with matching trigger and reset thing, gives me... well, DA rotates the cylinder, but the hammer doesn't move. SA rotates the cylinder *and* gives me feather-touch release (measured in ounces, at best). Even better: gave it a test run today, using PMC Bronze 158-grain non-+P FMJ. Out of the six rounds attempted, five took multiple strikes. Two out of six fired (#2 took two strikes, and was out of the other end of the box). Both the ones that fired blew the primer entirely out of the pocket and impaled it on the firing pin.  I rather suspect this will be an *ongoing* project... sza (on IRC) narrowed it down to the hammer nose bushing being missing - which leave a bigger-than-the-primer divot in the breechface facing the primer.  Numrich is out, trying another place, but I expect I might have to ask on Rossi-specific forums. He also suggested "sending it back for repair", on a bubbaed-by-the-previous-owner Rossi made in 1979. Yeah, I don't think so.)Ygolonac fucked around with this message at Jul 6, 2010 around 01:59 |
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Bat Legs posted:This is the funniest photo I haven't seen. If there is a way, find it and take the picture. Not glass - mount one of those micro-Docter units on there. 
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| # ¿ Aug 13, 2010 18:02 |
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Wish me luck, kids! On Saturday I was over in Idaho and spotted a nice Uberti (Cabela's-branded) .45 LC 4 5/8" brass-grip-frame single-action. For $250 (plus tax and such) I'm a Washington resident.  Asking at the pawnshop was pretty fruitless, as the kids on duty only knew "can't sell handguns to non-Idahoans", even when I asked about having it shipped to a WA FFL or even just to a WA branch of the chain. Stopped in at my local branch, and talked to the actual manager, who said he'll call the District Manager and see about transferring it over to this side, so I can give them money. Awaiting a callback on this, but if I'm lucky, gonna get all up in this bitch Friday...Won't be able to afford *ammo* for at least a week, maybe two, but I can dryfire the poo poo out of it. Maybe I can use my .45 ACP ammo and a moonclip...
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| # ¿ Aug 16, 2010 23:48 |
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I have a Cimarron Model "P", which is an Uberti-made Colt SAA clone, in .45 LC. Sights are rather primitive (nice tall blade front is offset by the rear being a groove in the topstrap, essentially), but it's accurate enough for general use. Note: I'm not that accurate. There's a hell of a lot of different Uberti wheelguns, though - everything from smaller-caliber (.36-38) blackpowder and conversions thereof, to the widely available SAAs, and less-available Schofields and revolving carbines. See what there is, see what you like, and find out what people are doing with 'em.  Click here for the full 1175x597 image. I'd expect this to be rather accurate. Actually, I just won an auction for an Uberti Cattleman frame/barrel/parts and a cylinder (all off the same gun). That's going to be a longer-term project (stupid ER bills), but I'm really tempted to cut the barrel down to 3.5", add a bird's-head grip, and use a cut-up Mexican peso or something as a front sight.  Click here for the full 1200x777 image. I'm not using that dovetail mount if I do this, just slotting the barrel and silver-soldering in the coin. Copper-plating (yes, I'm still in love with that look), shiny black (buffalo horn, maybe) grips with perhaps a turquoise and silver inset, I dunno. Ygolonac fucked around with this message at Sep 2, 2010 around 07:08 |
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ChlorineTrifluoride posted:So, basically a .445 SuperMag is just a .44 magnum magnum? +P+ .44 mag? You mean the Buffalo Bore stuff I shoot (not often) in my Super Blackhawk?
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| # ¿ Sep 17, 2010 04:40 |
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There might be useful info at Singleactions.com. There's certainly some hotloadin' going on in a bunch of the articles.
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| # ¿ Sep 17, 2010 22:02 |
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Signal posted:I was actually thinking about the Taylor's & Co version, as I like the look of the consistent color more than Uberti's hybrid finish. I do believe the Taylor's ones are still Uberti; might just be finished differently. There's a Richards-Mason subforum at CAS City, might have more info.
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| # ¿ Sep 20, 2010 18:56 |
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So, who wants a .41 Magnum Redhawk again? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=194272386
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| # ¿ Oct 7, 2010 04:00 |
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Trade it in, use the credit and the cash you'd use to rechamber it to get, at least, the same thing in .45LC to chop. Or, drop a smaller amount of buckage on a spare barrel, chop that, and see how it looks and feels, even if it's still in .357. If you decide against it, you still have the original barrel for sale/trade purposes. Elmer option: remove the barrel entirely, for maximum slip-gun concealability.
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| # ¿ Dec 18, 2010 00:34 |
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Same as the smaller ones on other revolvers, for the cylinder stop <?> to lock the cylinder in place. Why they're that long, I have to leave to people more versed in funky British revolver design. My Webley Mk. IV is like that, though.
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Uberti is selling SAA clones with an 18" barrel, in .38/.357 and .45LC, I think. t's the same setup as their revolving carbine, but with a standard grip frame. You could buy a pair to go with your Mare's Leg for cowboy-action shooting - I'm not sure what silly-rear end shotgun you'd want to compliment, however... a real SBS wouldn't be ridiculous enough.
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