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Magnum1371 posted:Cool stuff Thanks a lot, I appreciate all the information. Maybe when I have a little more money and less priorities I can throw money at making a reliable-ish GBB M4. For now I'll have to stick with another TM AEG. Frag Viper, which Sig do you have? The 550 or the 551? I miss my TM 552, that was the first quality AEG I bought and it was sweet.
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Its the 551. I cant believe it cost so much back then.
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| # ? Oct 14, 2009 16:13 |
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Just doing some preliminary research for a gun that is probably months away yet. I'm after an M16 variant to complement my M4. Something like an M16a4 + ACOG and poo poo which I can work on as a DM project. Something like this:  Click here for the full 782x265 image. Given a £150-£300 budget, what is the best airsoft Armalite brand out there that'll give me a good rifle as a starting point? Some guys I know own ICSs, others CA, G&G, even TM. I myself considered A&K but I want this to be a really drat good rifle for when I start getting mad amounts of disposable income when I get a real job. So I submit myself to you goons, I know there's some lingering hatred of chinaclones among some of you, so here's your chance to guide a wayward soul. 
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Aliginge posted:
Thats pretty much the exact gun you want http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store...roducts_id=2766 Or this http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store...roducts_id=4468 Or this, though i don't have firsthand experience with this model
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Aliginge posted:I'm after an M16 variant to complement my M4. Something like an M16a4 + ACOG and poo poo which I can work on as a DM project. Something like this: Funny this shound come up, as I've just spent the last week looking at ICS rifles. I've been bewitched by the split gearbox design which would take a lot of the pain out of repair, troubleshooting and maintenance work. It'll also allow me to buy another upper and chop/change the rifle as I desire without taking the whole thing to bits. My intention is, having spent ~£300 on the initial rifle purchase, to spend another £150 per month on extras and upgrades until I end up with exactly what I'm after. If you don't want to buy from abroad and enjoy shipping and taxes, the most obvious offerings are: Fire Support - ICS M16 RAS - £336 Fire Support - ICS M16 - £265 Zero One - ICS M16 - £244 (code ICS-24) While you could straight buy the ICS RAS for £336, it might make more financial sense to buy the £224 handguard version, then buy an RAS of your choice from somewhere like ebaybanned and you'll still have money left over for the sight, grips, rail covers, etc. I notice you've got a PEQ2 on your loadout there, and as its got the fixed stock you don't nessecearily need the PEQ to be a battery box. Firesupport supply both a decent Star PEQ2 Battery box and laser, and an expensive G&P replica PEQ2 I can't personally comment on the quality of the ICS rifles just yet as I only put my order in yesterday, though I have heard no end of good things about them. If you're not planning on buying anything for a while then I should be able to give you a run down some time next week. Don't just listen to me though, I'm only talking about ICS rifles as they're the ones I've been researching myself in the last few days.
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Aliginge posted:Just doing some preliminary research for a gun that is probably months away yet. If you get anything Classic Army, make sure to get the X-Series. They come shooting close to 400 with .2 gram BBs out of the box. http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store...roducts_id=4288 KWA has a whole host of good full-length ARs.
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Thanks a lot for the clarification guys. ICS, CA or KWA, all those SPRs look loving sweet!  v1nce posted:If you're not planning on buying anything for a while then I should be able to give you a run down some time next week.
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From what I've read about the ICS guns, their tappet, nozzle and hop-up chamber are all ICS-specific and the barrel/hop isn't so great. The hop-up and nozzle can be switched out for an TM compatible one (with some modifications) and the barrel replaced with a thight bore. This info is kinda outdated though, so I'll get back to you with more details once I get my hands on it.
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| # ? Oct 16, 2009 12:46 |
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So as my office mates have been getting into this sport, i decided to join them. Plunked down for a 200 dollar cybergun ak-thingy-mabobber, and it's serving me well. Played for the first time two weeks ago, and going again this weekend. As somebody who spent most of his youth outdoors, this is a nice throwback. And shooting people who talk to much while not in game is always a nice bonus.
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OWLS! posted:...shooting people who talk to much while not in game is always a nice bonus. One of my pet peeves when such people are on my team... but oh boy do I love it when I am playing against them 
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v1nce posted:From what I've read about the ICS guns, their tappet, nozzle and hop-up chamber are all ICS-specific and the barrel/hop isn't so great. The hop-up and nozzle can be switched out for an TM compatible one (with some modifications) and the barrel replaced with a thight bore. Info on ICS is generally all lies or very old. Why, I have no idea. The hop is marginal, but the stock guns compare to stock TM. The Systema metal hopup unit goes into the gun with a little filing (on the new hopup, not the gun) which is extremely easy. Seriously, the split gearbox is an incredible design, and it's quite strong as stock. Same with the Turbo 3000 motor.
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Hypnolobster posted:Info on ICS is generally all lies or very old. Why, I have no idea. The first generation of split gearbox ICS replicas acquired a really bad reputation, and left a lot of people with a grudge against ICS. It doesn't take too many angry people to trash a company's reputation.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:The first generation of split gearbox ICS replicas acquired a really bad reputation, and left a lot of people with a grudge against ICS. Hypnolobster posted:The hop is marginal, but the stock guns compare to stock TM. The Systema metal hopup unit goes into the gun with a little filing (on the new hopup, not the gun) which is extremely easy. You're both absolutely right. I had a first generation ICS MP5A5 which never ever worked right (so I modified it into an MP5 WiiMote and now gyroscopic VR gun too), but I'm not going to hold it against them as their 2006+ generation M4s are said to resolve previous issues found in the Olympic Arms and previous distributions. I didn't mean to suggest in my last post that you'd want to swap the ICS hop/barrel for TM parts, merely that a modified TM-compatible hop chamber can be fitted. I've personally got a metal systema hop chamber and tight bore destined for this particular purchase. Oh god they havn't even charged my card yet. 
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Since the discussion got all ICS-shaped, I just thought I'd link you guys to an ICS M4 Beginners Guide and FAQ thread on Airsoft Retreat. I've been finding it really useful so far and the possibility of starting out with an ICS CQB pistol (metal bodied for cheap!) and completely re-majiggering it out to an M16 because they all share the same internals is really loving tempting.  Changing the stock appears to be a piece of piss and obviously has no effect on performance, but would just swapping out the 7-inch inner barrel for a 20-inch m16-sized inner barrel work? Are the internals LITERALLY identical? What other modifications would be needed to make this work, if any? Of course, could also get an M16 or an M16 RAS, but it might work out cheaper this way. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2009 around 01:54 |
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Take it from someone who owned one of those stockless AK Beta Spetsnaz clones, you don't think you'll miss the stock until its gone. Maybe its because I learned on real firearms before airsoft but when the stock isnt there I find the gun pretty awkward to shoot while trying to use the sights. You can't brace the gun against yourself to keep it steady and theres no cheekweld so you're sort of holding your neck cocked to one side to keep it steady with the sights. Throw a sidefolder on there at least unless you only plan to use it up close. Even then, without a stock you don't have the same kind of feel for where the guns pointing without using the sights either. So unless you're playing in the sort of arena where its so tight that shaving some length off your rifle will make it easier to move around, or if you plan to have that slung over your back with a DMR rifle or something as your main I'd throw a folding stock on it.
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 Oh christ. I don't want to suggest for a second I would go stock-less on a long rifle. That's just wrong  . It's just that the guide I posted goes into detail how with a little effort and a  stock mount you can change out the back and fit any stock you like. I'd probably slap a full stock on there because they make the rifle look pretty brutal and awesome IMO.I'm suggesting it might be cheaper to buy a £180 CQB pistol and build an M16 rather than buy the full thing at £335. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2009 around 02:07 |
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Aliginge posted:
It can be cheaper, but it's a bitch and a half to find the handguard and barrel and getting the stock to fit happily and such. You'd probably save about $30 or so in the end. The ICS motor and gearbox in the M4 variants is loving FANTASTIC though. I threw a mosfet and 9.6v battery on mine and the rof jumped to the moon, then threw on a madbull v2 barrel and the modified systema hopup and it's just a perfect gun. When I get around to it, I want to buy a complete second upper with different optics and a longer barrel/stronger spring so I can change roles in 30 seconds flat while everybody looks on in awe at my kickass versatile gun. 
Hypnolobster fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2009 around 07:44 |
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Hypnolobster, you've pretty much described what I've got planned for my gun. Glad to hear another success story!Aliginge posted:I'm suggesting it might be cheaper to buy a £180 CQB pistol and build an M16 rather than buy the full thing at £335. If you're thinking about using the stock adapter with a TM-compatibile fixed stock, you need to modify the stock adapter to get TM parts to fit, as the adapter is tapered slightly. To avoid that effort you'd need the ICS M16 stock (£40), and a barrel can run you about £50. Not to mention a new inner barrel to replace the shorty (£30?). So thats £300 to reach a partially assembled M16, rather than £244 which would give you a handguard and sight post, too. Oh, and FireSupport prices don't include 15% VAT. If you're UKARA registered then Z1 is the way to go. v1nce fucked around with this message at Oct 17, 2009 around 13:00 |
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Just come back after a day of Airsofting at Marrs. My M4 got dirt in the barrel and the accuracy was knackered as a result. Got some sweet kills and two lumps on my forehead to boot. But after witnessing a host of guns breaking down, including seeing an ICS M4 eat it's own spring and my own gun taking a hell of a beating, I'm honestly having second thoughts about ever subjecting a £300 gun to that kind of abuse. So yeah, abandoning the ICS M16 then. I'll probably just get an AGM or an A&K or something for half the price. I don't think I'm prepared to play the way I do with an expensive rifle. 
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I love AKs because you can beat the poo poo out of a rifle and it will still look good. Anyway, you can airsoft and take care of your equipment (unless you are the most clumsy person on earth). If you don't want to take care of your gear, then get something cheap or something expensive (good clone or something like Real Sword).
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Hey Guys who remembers little old this?  5 Kills so far.  4 of which were yesterday with Aliginge at Marrs. 1 of which was straight through a gorse bush no other gun can penetrate. 2 of which were straight up hand on hip, arm out shots at two guys who were being distractions just out of AEG range. One guy went out in disbelief, then as his friend was standing goggling next to him, I shot him too. This is the best gun ever RE: Hardiness, my stock JG G36 has been beat through hell and back, yesterday my gun bag broke and dropped it off my back onto concrete, stock first, and hey it still works. The fact it works at all is a miracle, given that the entire inner barrel is held in place by a screw sticking into a gouge in the plastic. Hi-tech. vvv: Aliginge posted:Also loving .36s in that thing what the gently caress forti Couldn't get .43s. Forti fucked around with this message at Oct 18, 2009 around 23:49 |
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Forti posted:5 Kills so far. *BOM* ... "hit!"   Also loving .36s in that thing what the gently caress forti
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Forti posted:Couldn't get .43s. What velocity is that shooting? Also, do you guys have any field rules about AEG/Pistol/support/heavy weapon velocities? I can't imagine a pistol shooting legal velocities would have any distance with a .36 bb
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Has anyone here bought the KWA MK36C? I'm thinking of buying a secondary gun as a backup to my SAW (seems like the SAW has trouble often enough to where a backup would be useful) and I was considering the MK36C as a good backup. One of the problems I have with my SAW is that being what it is, I can't really reach out too far and touch someone, so I'm looking for a gun that can shoot at a bit higher FPS and with a bit longer range.
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So, the news on Magpul PTS's ACR and the A&K Masada finally came out on ArniesAirsoft, as reported by uscmCorps. I'm setting aside money for this, and I still need to actually see and touch it to believe it. On paper, the Magpul PTS ACR is arguably the most versatile AEG platform out there.
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ArmyGroup303 posted:So, the news on Magpul PTS's ACR and the A&K Masada finally came out on ArniesAirsoft, as reported by uscmCorps. This sounds... really really good. Almost too good. I bet it'll cost a bomb though.
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The Magpul PTS kit sounds like it will be pretty spendy, but the fact you can change to an AK-style lower* or switch to GBB is too cool for school. The trick is that the PTS series won't be compatible with A&K's "Sportline" version or the earlier A&K clones (apparently they're smaller than the real thing) so that's more  to spend on the folding stock & shorty barrel. And to think I was saving up for an A&K M60VN... *(using their proprietary mags  )
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Ninja Bicyclist posted:The Magpul PTS kit sounds like it will be pretty spendy, but the fact you can change to an AK-style lower* or switch to GBB is too cool for school. The trick is that the PTS series won't be compatible with A&K's "Sportline" version or the earlier A&K clones (apparently they're smaller than the real thing) so that's more Apparently the scale on the A&K is off slightly, as A&K had to get their measurements off pictures online and youtube videos lol. The PTS masada sounds awesome. But I cant complain about my A&K with the &200 price tag.
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Forti posted:This sounds... really really good. The MSRP is $450, which is comparable to a VFC Scar or a Classic Army M6A2.
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I hate to bring the conversation down but my friends are looking to get into spring pistols again and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. Last time I played we all had gas blow back pistols and AEG's. The friend who was the core of this hobby for us just got back from study abroad and wants us all to get spring pistols to hose around with. From the last time I delt with spring pistols I know there is alot of poo poo out there but I know there are a few good ones. Any good recommendations? Its been ages for me and springers.
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1337_ScriptKiddie posted:I hate to bring the conversation down but my friends are looking to get into spring pistols again and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations. Last time I played we all had gas blow back pistols and AEG's. The friend who was the core of this hobby for us just got back from study abroad and wants us all to get spring pistols to hose around with. From the last time I delt with spring pistols I know there is alot of poo poo out there but I know there are a few good ones. You could try something like this. http://www.vertexairsoft.com/product-p/eg70001.htm Its only 10 bucks.
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Pretty Little Rainbow posted:You could try something like this. How does it shoot?
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1337_ScriptKiddie posted:How does it shoot? You pull the trigger, and it flicks a BB at someone.
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I heard Tokyo Marui do springers for like $50. But for that price you might as well get an electric pistol. I had a £20 full metal sig springer and it literally fell apart after 100 shots or so.
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Aliginge posted:I heard Tokyo Marui do springers for like $50. But for that price you might as well get an electric pistol. Thanks for the info I was thinking of paying the extra for something made of metal, and now know that isn't necessary. Tokyo Marui worth the extra bucks? I have no qualms against being the guy to show up with the gun that cost an extra dime but actually works.
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1337_ScriptKiddie posted:Thanks for the info I was thinking of paying the extra for something made of metal, and now know that isn't necessary. Tokyo Marui worth the extra bucks? I have no qualms against being the guy to show up with the gun that cost an extra dime but actually works. Tokyo Marui springers are a good buy.
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1337_ScriptKiddie posted:I have no qualms against being the guy to show up with the gun that cost an extra dime but actually works. Do you have any qualms against being the guy to spend a bit extra, get an electric pistol and have semi/full-auto? Come to think of it, at rock bottom price, you've got a surprising range of Springers and plastic-gearbox AEGs perfect for backyards. Just don't, you know, take them anywhere else. =p For $45 you could also be pimp and get a shotgun which is actually good. EDIT: Fuuuuuck, I am split between an AGM M16a3 and the A&K SR25k I was drooling over a couple of pages back. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 23, 2009 around 01:19 |
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Most of those LPEGs are pretty crap power and range wise but if you're playing typical backyard blow the poo poo out of each other from 10 feet away wars they're way more fun than spring pistols. Get a cheapish strong spring pistol for backup though and use it for carefully placed shots into peoples foreheads though.
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Anyone else have a Madbull shorty grenade launcher? I can't seem to find grenades that'll fit in it. It's a forward sliding breech, kinda like an M203, but it only slides forwards about 3.5". No grenades I've seen will fit properly. Maybe, MAYBE if it's shaped like a regular bullet-esque M203 shell it MIGHT fit but I'm not sure. Does anyone know if an AG36-style launcher exists for RIS? I'd love to have a launcher that flips out to one side to load so I could use any size shell, plus it'd be a good foregrip replacement.
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Guys, rationalize my recent purchase of a G&G GR-16. I'm drat excited to get it, and it's going to be Magpul'd to hell. Granted this is after turning my KWA M16BR into a M203 wielding sledgehammer - I think it makes sense to have something a little more mobile as well.
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