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Sold my oldest gun today. The very same plastic JG M4 that arrived the very day this thread was created. Felt like I've sold a part of me   Click here for the full 800x600 image. Oh Tan4, you will be missed. But big brother will be minding the house in the meantime.   Electrical tape is to protect the stock from my mesh mask As will the DBOYS RK12 that'll arrive in the next few days before being transformed into the most pointlessly tacticlol ak-purist example of rage-fuel. And it shall be great.
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| # ¿ Sep 23, 2010 13:30 |
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| # ¿ May 19, 2013 19:04 |
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So yeah. My DBOYS RK12 arrived today and it is just begging to be turned into the most tacticool little AK and I could do with some ideas. Current plans: Paint in the stamped trades/markings on the sights - Done Swap out the goddawful loudening flash-hider for a short AR15 one - Done Buy a side-rail optics mount - Done and in the post Slap a red dot on there or buy an ACOG for it Buy a quad-rail RIS front kit. Stubby QD Foregrip. Flashlight mounted on the left. Green Laser mounted on the right. Change the pistol grip to something with actual contours for easier grip. Mod the selector switch for trigger-hand finger usage and to get the selector to work as a bolt-catch/release. Somehow buy an AKMR mag release and politely ask one of you US-bound goons to import this to my British-bound self  Open to further ideas, only thing is I'm not touching the stock, it comes with a 74M solid side-folder and it's great.
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| # ¿ Sep 28, 2010 02:29 |
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I was oddly enough thinking the same thing with the C-More. I really like that their brightness is adjustable all the way from Off to Barely Visible to fully visible. I recently bought a micro doctor sight and the brightness on that is either off or very very on. Helps that the Cmore does look good and there are knockoffs everywhere. Found the mag releases you were on about though. Thanks brah. 
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| # ¿ Sep 28, 2010 18:58 |
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Me in my eyepro. Despite the looks, they do have a decent seal around them and I have tested them personally and repeatedly with a 450FPS sniper with .3g BBs at point blank. Made a loud noise but didn't even mark them. I'm pretty sure they'd stand up to a shitload more punishment than even US FPS limits can throw at them. Oh and they never fog up. Ever. Also curse my terrible digital camera, it broke on me and I want to post up my new DBoys Tactikalashnikov that has our local russian guy out for my blood.
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| # ¿ Oct 1, 2010 12:36 |
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Box o' Truth approved to withstand a tank shell.
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| # ¿ Oct 1, 2010 22:03 |
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Beauyaka posted:I love the through-sight shot of his desk. http://www.ebairsoft.com/gl530-tact...ack-p-2993.html
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| # ¿ Oct 2, 2010 20:24 |
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Aliginge posted:Me in my eyepro. I take this back completely. Wettest airsoft day I've ever been on and these things fogged up a storm.
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| # ¿ Oct 3, 2010 13:33 |
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CYMA and DBoys AK47s/74s/74Us are the cream of the clone crop at the moment. A russian friend of mine owns a CYMA AK74M and I took delivery of a (£130) Dboys RK12 a week ago and to be honest, clone manufacturers have really stepped up their game with these and should certainly be more than good enough as a first gun. Outside of those, clones are a bit more hit and miss since for the past year or so they had to shut down operations and relocate, so there's been a bit of a production gap. But anyway, since you're british, it's not really worth the rigmarole of trying to get a gun in through customs such as what you would be doing if you bought from a Hong Kong site like WGC. With customs holding your gun for several weeks at a time and adding charges that total the price of your purchase equal to UK prices, you might as well just buy from the UK, unless you're after a rarer gun. That said, any gun by KWA, Classic Army, ICS or G&P should do you well as a solid starter gun that will likely serve you well for a long time. Even their lower end guns are generally better than clones as a whole. Although I've heard bad things about Classic Army Sportlines from our tech-wizard so be careful of those. Just remember to factor in the cost of a battery, mags and some way to carry them into the cost of your purchase. It's easy to overspend on the gun and have no money left for the rest of the poo poo you'll appreciate having. That said, a KWA M4 would probably be right up your alley: http://eliteessex.co.uk/product.php...c295d612c1e8e24 As for downgrades, you shouldn't need one for a higher quality gun like the KWA, but Actionhobbies for instance offer a 328FPS downgrade for £25, spring and service included, but you have to buy the gun from there. Decent battery for the KWA I linked should be a 9.6v mini type and should be around £14 and you can buy them here: http://www.component-shop.co.uk/ Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 3, 2010 around 22:54 |
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You buy more mags first.Pipsicles posted:Okay, I appreciate the advice loads btw, this can all be a bit confusing sometimes, will take your advice on buying from the UK. Also the difference between clone guns and the real upper market stuff is usually fit and finish and reliability. Unless you buy from a dodgy manufacturer (i.e. Well) then range and accuracy will usually be good, with room for improvement with minor upgrades. You can still get a lemon CA or KWA, just that they are likely to come with warranties and even then if your gun arrives DOA from any good UK dealer (clone gun or not), chances are a replacement is easy to sort. Tell you what, have a good look on these sites, and post up any guns that catch your eye. We'll give you a heads-up.  http://www.actionhobbies.co.uk/Assa...ric_B2107H.aspx http://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/a...ric_Rifles.html http://www.fire-support.co.uk/category.php?cat=24
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| # ¿ Oct 4, 2010 14:59 |
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Out of all those, the G&Gs are by far the best there. G&G are a higher-end manufacturer unlike the rest and their base M4s have been a long-standing go-to for first guns for some time. The CYMA M14 is also the best clone M14 out there, bested only by M14s much more expensive than it and even then, not by much. Although I will draw a recommendation from our airsoft group's Tech Priest Owen and suggest an ICS M4 Sportline.  Plastic body, like the G&Gs and ICS are a similarly high-tier manufacture, only the ICS sports a gently caress-awesome split-gearbox design, which allows the gun to split at the hinges like a real M4 and split the gearbox into two halves unlike any other AEG. It makes maintenance and spring changes a complete breeze and any airsoft tech working on your gun will love you forever. The ICS can be had for around £160. Although if you're willing to stretch your budget a touch, a G&P M4 Carbine Short for £195. http://eliteessex.co.uk/product.php?xProd=25&xSec=2  Another top-quality manufacturer with similarly awesome build quality, only now you get a proper metal body and you get a monstrous rate of fire, as G&P guns usually tend to have. But seriously, this is a pretty awesome deal and I almost got one myself. Bear in mind with these last two guns you will need to buy batteries and chargers separate because higher-end manufacturers expect you to have the basics. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 8, 2010 around 20:22 |
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In any case it's not really something to worry about unless you're planning a mad custom body or are planning on putting a RIS front set on it (regular ones don't fit). It'll still be an awesome gun if you leave it alone. That said, the G&P I listed is totally TM compatible
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| # ¿ Oct 10, 2010 10:20 |
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Elendil004 posted:Yeah there is no good way to clear a set of stairs. Do it all the time at the shoothouses for work and it's the hardest part. I've found the best way is to break the plane of the next floor with as many people/heads/guns as possible and get to the next strong point as fast as possible. Russian friend of ours describes Spetsnaz tactics in quite a simple manner. If you quickly fill a given space with your dudes to the point where the enemy cannot lift their weapon due to the sheer concentration of dudes, then you win. TLDR DUDESDUDESDUDES 
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| # ¿ Oct 11, 2010 23:57 |
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S'that time again. Can any of you guys recommend/link me to decent clone ACM/knockoff ACOG? If you can recommend one and tell me where you bought it from, even link me to it then that'd be a massive help. I've a scope mount for my RK12 coming in a few days and I'm looking at whatever compact scope I can get. Only catch is I'm not after an Elcan, those things are pretty huge, even if they are good.
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| # ¿ Oct 13, 2010 22:31 |
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yellowjournalism posted:Price range? cuntrageous posted:http://www.opticsplanet.net/barska-...pe-ac10806.html These are the ones I've found so far. http://www.airsoftpanda.com/product...roducts_id/1433 http://www.ebairsoft.com/ta01nsn-4x...ope-p-1101.html http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ea-4x32-...n-sight-bk.html http://www.rsov.com/express/product...=2916&cateId=74
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| # ¿ Oct 14, 2010 11:24 |
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 Needs a RAS system and an ACOG.
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| # ¿ Oct 16, 2010 20:41 |
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That exact flash hider came with the gun. Personally I wasn't a fan of the looks of it to begin with, I might come around eventually though. This is also the best clone I've ever seen and I've owned five before this and molested many more. Steel bodied DBoys AKs loving rule.
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| # ¿ Oct 16, 2010 23:59 |
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Two RK12s? Tell me about recommended upgrades. I'm planning on a 9.6v battery but don't really know what to do about the hopup/barrel/anything else. Namely what to buy. If you made $100 profit your fixes must have been worthwhile, not to mention potentially cheap
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| # ¿ Oct 17, 2010 01:31 |
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Fancy Salad posted:Nice. I can easily pick a freaking replacement from amongst those, to replace the one on mine that was cracked by a BB at a CQB field. Folks, don't forget scope protectors: http://j.mp/a9z0Vk or http://j.mp/aC7yx6 (But you might need to make your own custom lexan to cover all of the ACOG's area..) Yeah, I'm looking at a killflash for whatever ACOG I get mainly for how much I'll eventually have to spend on an ACOG. Oh and I found a video showing the EA branded ACOG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx1pEFzV5WA So I'm pretty much convinced that the one from Ehobbyasia is the one I'm getting. I didn't want to buy one without seeing what they're like to look through first. One guy I know has literally zero eye relief on his. http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ea-4x32-...n-sight-bk.html By the way if this goes out of stock in the next few hours now I've told you about it I'm going to reach into the internet and CUT YOU. 
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| # ¿ Oct 17, 2010 20:28 |
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OK was going to roll with some mesh goggles due to my regular poo poo fogging up so bad I couldn't play, now after some tests with my new mesh goggles I can't use mesh without worrying for my eyes. I can't really afford to do what Forti has done with his eyepro and drop £80 on ESS ICE glasses with prescription inserts if I don't have to, especially since it'll likely be much more expensive than that due to my hosed up prescription so other than that, what are my options? Goggles + fans? EDIT: These look promising. ~£70 on ZeroOneAirsoft, £30 on Ebay 
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| # ¿ Oct 19, 2010 01:09 |
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EDIT: Oh wait, they have the exact same description text as some identical and inferior clones, makes sense that they're not genuine as the price is a little low. EDIT2: OK how about these: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwo...anger_Green.htm Clone replica of the ESS Turbofan: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/ea-gear-...iage-green.html VVV EDIT3: 
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| # ¿ Oct 19, 2010 01:31 |
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So are those the genuine £120 ESS turbofans or a clone knockoff?
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| # ¿ Oct 19, 2010 19:13 |
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What's the scope you got on the ca m14?
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| # ¿ Oct 21, 2010 02:29 |
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Literally everything I heard from our resident tech demigod about G&P is that they are all round awesome, internals included, easily on a par with CAs, KWAs and such. They usually come with a pretty sweet ROF as well. Just weighing in with what I hear. I mean, for your first gun, you're getting a doozy either way. Forget first gun, look after it it may be the only one you'll ever need. cuntrageous posted:Some nice clone that was really cheap for the quality. If I find the box I'll let you know. Nah, if you have a better photo of the scope I could probably find it quite easily though
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| # ¿ Oct 25, 2010 00:14 |
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Hmmm well, what do we have here? Uppers and lowers sold separately? http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/index.php?cPath=196
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| # ¿ Oct 26, 2010 00:20 |
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Well on second look perhaps it's not all that awesome. The V2 gearbox stays in the lower, the upper just houses the barrel and hop. It's not splitting the gearbox at all so it'll still be just as annoying as any other V2 to maintain. If the lower+gearbox+motor is awesome and you have parts for the upper, it might be worth a shot for £170 if the internals are amazing. (who the gently caress are Specter?) But the uppers are brutally overpriced. Odd gimmick though. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Oct 26, 2010 around 02:00 |
| # ¿ Oct 26, 2010 01:58 |
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Look for a 1 Joule spring if you can. M100s may still ride a little closer to the absolute upper limit of 350FPS and may not bring it under. A 1j would put you around 320-330 As for the semi auto, yeah if you fire it too fast the gearbox locks up, same as with any AEG. It's due to you pulling the trigger before the gearbox has fully cycled. This is preventable by installing a 9.6v battery (increases ROF and trigger response so it doesn't happen as often) or for a more expensive route, installing a MOSFET chip, which helps trigger response immensely. Personally I stick to full auto and just do 2-3-round bursts.
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| # ¿ Nov 8, 2010 13:26 |
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Depends on the gun as the barrel tightness and quality, piston head, air nozzle and how good the compression on your gearbox is (does air leak out of the piston pushing less air toward the BB and such) all contribute toward the FPS reading. I know people that bought m100s that put them around 330, but then I know the odd guy who has to buy another spring because it put him at 360. I suggest a 1j to stay on the safe side. This should do you, the site is HK based so it'll take two weeks or so to get here though: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/upgrade-...lude-psg-1.html Just keep in mind to install it the right way around, by which I mean, remind whoever is taking your gun apart to install it the right way. I am not sure which way is the right way but I'd just thought I'd mention it
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| # ¿ Nov 8, 2010 22:47 |
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If I ever airsoft in the US I am doing that with a UK flag. And then wear full DPM camo. With a beret. And I'll grow a loving handlebar moustache too. 
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| # ¿ Nov 11, 2010 03:24 |
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So yeah, struggling to pay bills, difficulty getting share of council tax off housemates, very little money to last me until next week's payday until suddenly yaaaaay Housing benefit see fit to lump me with £80 back payment what's this I've just magically bought myself an ACOG. Fuckin airsoft  EDIT: Hopeful end result when I'm done with the AKSU. 
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| # ¿ Nov 14, 2010 02:18 |
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Minorkos posted:Holy crap, I didn't know there were F2000 AEGs! I own a G&G. It's a tack-driver, it's awesome as hell and our airsoft tech guy around here seemed to think so too when he opened up the gearbox to have a poke around. Highly recommended.  Click here for the full 1024x768 image. Don't know much about the major internal differences between the models but what I do know is that the hopup is way easier to access on the G&G/CA (under the bolt, rather than in the magwell) but the G&G/CA use proprietary mags. G&G/CA mags  TM/CYMA mags G&G mags are a bit more expensive but overall I am more than happy with my purchase. Just don't buy it if you are a small guy or something. It's a big gun so make sure you get a good sling either way. Oh and it has the best loving bolt-racking noise of any gun ever. That said I know of many people who have a lot of love for their TM M14s. I don't think you'll get a bad gun whichever one you go for. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Nov 14, 2010 around 22:21 |
| # ¿ Nov 14, 2010 22:15 |
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Yeah, the only way I heard you could end up buying a bad M14 is to go for a Kart or AGM. Even then they're probably not bad, but the rest I hear are just a league ahead.
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| # ¿ Nov 15, 2010 13:09 |
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As long as you treat it with the same respect as you no doubt do a real firearm. poo poo I really cannot be trusted with a real gun as I've lost count of the amount of times I would have NDd a hole in my wall if not for the fact it was an airsoft gun or pulled the trigger to check if the safety is on. Them being toys makes me treat them too much like a toy. 
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| # ¿ Nov 16, 2010 14:47 |
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KWA M4 SR7 DEVGRU WE Hi-Capa 1911 With a $500 budget you may as well go for a good rifle and a good pistol rather than two lesser rifles.
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| # ¿ Nov 16, 2010 23:46 |
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CYMA M14 Socom for $140 For the money, it stands head and shoulders over most any other cheap gun. I'd get one as your loaner/backup/buddy gun until you give in and make it your main
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| # ¿ Nov 18, 2010 11:49 |
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Sportline CAs like the M15 are apparently poo poo as well. Like worse-than-bad-clones poo poo. Metal CAs be awesome though. Your best bet as far as I can see is the ICS/TSD Stubby M4. As a second rifle, either get the CYMA m14 I mentioned before or go with a CYMA or DBOYS. I can vouch personally for the DBOYS RK series, RK01 AKS74u and RK03 AKS74 as I recently got an RK12 SLR107 and love the thing to bits.
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| # ¿ Nov 19, 2010 05:41 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:edit: What model numbers are the VFC clone CYMAs? I remember they had one period in their history where they were some weird hybrid mostly-VFC but not quite design, but I don't have nearly enough room in my head to remember model numbers for that. 040, 048 and 050. The rest are TM clones. All dboys RK series are VFC clones. Question. Just ordered a 9.6V battery for my Dboys AK, would I be fine putting in a new motor without having to upgrade or reinforce other parts like the gears and such? I've been recommended the Element Max Speed Motor. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Nov 22, 2010 around 10:04 |
| # ¿ Nov 22, 2010 09:59 |
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why?  work with me here a little.
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| # ¿ Nov 22, 2010 17:59 |
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Thanks for responding with actual specifics and an explanation. Although since I'm not in the land of 400FPs and my AEG clocks in at bang-on 320, what then? I'm only after a minor ROF increase too, nothing silly and I've been told that those Element High speed motors would give me that for reasonably cheap while being a decent clone of an awesome motor. Anyway, the initial question was whether I'd need to upgrade any other internals to cope, the AEG being a DBOYS AK. Aliginge fucked around with this message at Nov 22, 2010 around 23:06 |
| # ¿ Nov 22, 2010 22:46 |
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Then we laugh at you for being stuck in the UK. Nice choice of gun, though. We could do with more sites though, there are more sites in California than there are in the whole of the UK.
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| # ¿ May 19, 2013 19:04 |
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I once witnessed a three dudes grab a huge blue sheet of plastic and turn that poo poo into a (marshal-approved) phalanx charge. They didn't last five seconds but I applaud them anyway.
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