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I'm not running in VFF's anymore. VFF's are keeping my feet too soft and I want some good calluses. I ran 4 miles barefoot today on a trail consisting of asphalt, a wooden boardwalk, and a small gravel area, and it wasn't too bad. There were bloody toe prints in the parking lot though.
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 04:31 |
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| # ? May 18, 2013 14:33 |
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My VFFs are starting to smell. I washed them and that helped a bit, but it still smells faintly of feet. I tried the freezer trick overnight, but that also didn't do much. The fit is pretty snug so I'm not sure I could manage to wear those injini socks. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 16:18 |
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Aranan posted:My VFFs are starting to smell. I washed them and that helped a bit, but it still smells faintly of feet. I tried the freezer trick overnight, but that also didn't do much. Have you tried vinegar or bicarb when you washed them?
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 16:23 |
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Aranan posted:My VFFs are starting to smell. I washed them and that helped a bit, but it still smells faintly of feet. I tried the freezer trick overnight, but that also didn't do much. I'm not sure I posted the recommended Vibram washing method in this thread but if so, here it is again. Get a 1+ gallon bucket and for every gallon of water that is used to submerge the shoes entirely use 2-3 cups vinegar. Drop them in there and let th soak for a few hours. Then pull them out and throw them in the washing machine for a regular cycle and air dry. The vinegar kills the odor and bacteria, while the washing machine kills the vinegar smell. Depending on wear this should keep them not totally stinky for a few weeks. Bonus power points if you drink the vinegar solution after the soak.
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 17:25 |
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Alfalfa posted:I'm not sure I posted the recommended Vibram washing method in this thread but if so, here it is again. Do you use detergent with them in the washing machine?
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 21:28 |
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Just posting to say: walking on snow in VFFs is loving GLORIOUS. Today isn't a running day for me, but after walking to shops in them just now, I am going for a run in a little bit. It hasn't snowed here in any proper capacity for ages, so I'm taking advantage of this! My feet crave different sensations, and this is beautiful, fresh, uncompacted snow. In Classics and Injinjis, my feet are a little cold, but not too bad. Running should keep the blood pumping anyway. Plus, the looks of confusion on people's faces when they see barefoot prints in the snow makes it all worthwhile. EDIT: Well, I ran half of my run in VFFs... and I ran the other half totally barefoot. Pretty awesome. 
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 22:29 |
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khysanth posted:Do you use detergent with them in the washing machine? I do, works fine.
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 22:51 |
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I just got a pair of KSOs and I went directly to the gym in them. Phenomenal work out! My feet were so planted to the ground during squats and it felt like I had no shoes on! Best shoes ever.
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| # ? Feb 24, 2010 23:47 |
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Moniker posted:I just got a pair of KSOs and I went directly to the gym in them. Phenomenal work out! My feet were so planted to the ground during squats and it felt like I had no shoes on! Best shoes ever. This is my favorite part about VFF's. I feel like I can concentrate so much more easily on my squat/deadlift form when I can feel the ground and how my feet are pressing against it. Also, my wimpy wimpy ankles don't hurt because of heel padding making my standing surface uneven.
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 03:38 |
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Thanks for the tips, guys. I'll do the vinegar soak before the wash next time.
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 03:42 |
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My KSOs arrived at REI today! Gonna pick them up tomorrow after work! I'm so excited to finally have a pair of VFFs.  Too many acronyms.
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 04:34 |
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Well last night's fresh snow was amazing, but today's 2ft of snow on top of slush and ice is not so cool when wearing Classics. PROBLEM: Classics not suitable SOLUTION: Buy Treks The folks at GSS Gear rock, by the way, and I recommend them highly!  Now the painful wait begins again... 
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 20:25 |
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Humanoid Female posted:My KSOs arrived at REI today! Gonna pick them up tomorrow after work! I'm so excited to finally have a pair of VFFs. Which REIs sell them besides that Seattle one?
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 21:18 |
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While going through the snow in my KSO's is awesome, I'm discovering that the top frozen crust is ridiculously sharp when it makes contact with my ankles
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 21:23 |
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7thBatallion posted:Which REIs sell them besides that Seattle one? I had actually bought mine at the REI in Bend, Oregon last summer when the Seattle one didn't have any. All REIs should carry them tho. In retrospect, the Bend store had a bunch and I should have bought a slew of them to sling on ebay.
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| # ? Feb 25, 2010 22:15 |
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jadias posted:PROBLEM: Classics not suitable Treks are comfortable. I love mine! There might be some sizing issues if you bought the same size as your Classics, though.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 00:16 |
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I asked about this over on BirthdayShoes. I know Vibram recommend you size down like with regular KSOs, but a lot of people seem to wear the same size as their Classics. I seem to have a high instep and a wide foot, so the advice was to go with the same size. I hope they were right!
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 00:40 |
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I've looked at a couple of sizing charts, and I keep seeing two different answers. Some charts show European 46 as U.S. size 12, others show it as 12.5-13. Is a European size 46 (for VFF Classics) the same as a U.S. size 12?
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 04:36 |
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Dunno if this helps, but I wear a US size 12-12.5, depending on the shoe. In KSOs, I wear a 46, and in Treks, I (now) wear a 47. I had started with 46s in my first pair of Treks, but they wound up causing problems on one foot.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 05:18 |
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AdrenalX posted:I've looked at a couple of sizing charts, and I keep seeing two different answers. Some charts show European 46 as U.S. size 12, others show it as 12.5-13. It honestly doesn't matter. Follow the sizing measurment on the VFF website as your best bet. I'm glad I live in a big city so I could try on a few pairs before purchasing.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 14:23 |
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Anyone know where I could try these on in Dallas?
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 16:09 |
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I'm wearing sz 13 Nikes right now and my KSOs are 45 so you really have to try them on to figure out which are best for you. Mind you I don't think I could wear socks in mine though in turn I barely notice I'm wearing them due to them fitting perfectly.
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| # ? Feb 26, 2010 21:24 |
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duckslut posted:Anyone know where I could try these on in Dallas? Seriously? There is a store locator link on their website... Luke's Locker 3607 Oak Lawn Dallas, TX, 75219 214-528-1290 Luke's Locker AS OF 10-19-08 5717 Legacy Rd. Plano, TX, 75024 972-398-8660 Sun & Ski Sports 11170 N. Central Expressway Suite 100 Dallas, TX, 75243 214-442-7007 Sun & Ski Sports 3000 Grapevine Mills Pwky., #119 Grapevine, TX, 76051 972-355-9424 Union Jack 3920 Cedar Springs Rd Dallas, TX, 75219 214.528.9600 Whole Earth Provision 5400 East Mockingbird Ln. Dallas, TX, 75206 (214) 824-7444 Whole Earth Provision 5400 East Mockingbird Lane Dallas, TX, 75206-8904 (214) 824-7444
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 00:29 |
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7thBatallion posted:Which REIs sell them besides that Seattle one? I bought mine on the REI website and had them sent to the Denver flagship store for pickup. And I still haven't picked them up because of things that happened, but I'll probably go get them this weekend.
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 03:01 |
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Thanks for the sizing advice. They arrived today, and I can't quite tell if these fit or not (Size 12 US normally, size 46 Euro VFFs). They're really comfortable through the arch, and the heel feels right, but my toes are right up against the end of the toe pockets. I guess I can't tell if they're supposed to be ultra form-fitting, or if I need to go up a notch in size (or I have long toes). I'll run in them a few times and see how it goes.
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 05:10 |
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AdrenalX posted:Thanks for the sizing advice. They arrived today, and I can't quite tell if these fit or not (Size 12 US normally, size 46 Euro VFFs). They're really comfortable through the arch, and the heel feels right, but my toes are right up against the end of the toe pockets. I guess I can't tell if they're supposed to be ultra form-fitting, or if I need to go up a notch in size (or I have long toes).
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 05:35 |
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Oddly enough my current pair were the opposite. They felt, as you described, "right on the edge" (especially on the bigger toes) but after two weeks of running and going to the gym they feel like my best fitting vibrams so far. So I guess the moral of the story is this: There is no magical sizing rule or guideline with Vibram Fivefingers. Everyone is going to have a different experience. We can offer as much help and guidelines as you want, but your best bet is to go to a store and try on as many pairs as you can. Preferably in both men's and women's sizes. If this isn't an option for you (i.e. you ordered the shoes online) then if the shoes don't feel like they're going to be an issue yet, instead of worrying about whether you should change sizes, just try not to think about it for a while and wear them around. Most likely you'll find that after a few days your feel will have adjusted to the shoes and you'll save yourself the hassle of reshipping your order back.
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 09:12 |
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AdrenalX posted:Thanks for the sizing advice. They arrived today, and I can't quite tell if these fit or not (Size 12 US normally, size 46 Euro VFFs). They're really comfortable through the arch, and the heel feels right, but my toes are right up against the end of the toe pockets. I guess I can't tell if they're supposed to be ultra form-fitting, or if I need to go up a notch in size (or I have long toes). Mine (Classics) were uncomfortably tight in the toes at first but are less so now. I guess they have stretched or my genome has rearranged or something.
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 15:19 |
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MrWally posted:Oddly enough my current pair were the opposite. They felt, as you described, "right on the edge" (especially on the bigger toes) but after two weeks of running and going to the gym they feel like my best fitting vibrams so far. Bolkovr posted:Mine (Classics) were uncomfortably tight in the toes at first but are less so now. I guess they have stretched or my genome has rearranged or something. There was a comment on birthdayshoes that the change in foot strike can tighten the arch, actually reducing a persons foot size. It makes shoes like this super tricky, and why there are so many restrictions on sizing.
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| # ? Feb 27, 2010 15:35 |
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I think it was not so much the change in foot strike as more the building of foot strength which tightened the arch.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2010 00:55 |
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Just got a pair of KSO's... took forever to track down a pair! It's such an odd feeling being able to feel everything beneath your feet... I commented to my gf that I can feel the cracks between sidewalk tiles. It'll take a bit of getting used-to having my toes spread out to fit into the toe pockets though, they got a little bit sore being in the toe pockets after a couple of hours. Also screw this injiji socks noise... so expensive! If you have a Daiso (japanese dollar store) nearby, check it out, because they have toe socks there. At least, there were at the Daiso in Richmond, BC. I know there is a Daiso in Seattle as well, but I'm not entirely sure whether they have socks as well. The socks there cost me $2 a pair!
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| # ? Feb 28, 2010 08:25 |
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Man I was sore pretty bad for a whole week after a good long 3+ mile run in my KSOs. Calves were killing me. Just recently covered and did another quick 2 mile ish run and felt fine. Guess it's just all about the conditioning, heh. Looking forward to the day when I can run 10+ miles in them with a fast pace/stride. I wish my huge 2nd toe didn't mess up sizing so much. It really puts pressure on it but once I get moving it's fine. I also find myself tip-toeing around in normal shoes and hardly ever heel striking.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2010 09:51 |
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ungaungaunga posted:Just got a pair of KSO's... took forever to track down a pair! What are they made of? I would assume 100% cotton which don't dry anything like as well as running socks. That means either if it's raining or if your feet sweat they'll get wet and you'll get blisters.
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| # ? Feb 28, 2010 10:41 |
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Alfalfa posted:Seriously? There is a store locator link on their website... Yea that was kind of lazy. Sorry about that. I bought a pair. They are amazing to run and lift in.
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| # ? Mar 1, 2010 02:02 |
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I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES!!! I've been waiting on these for a year. Was expecting delivery to take another 2 weeks but bam, large parcel delivery with my KSO's.  Going for a 15k run after work and was sort of thinking about trying these on for it, but probably won't. Maybe will do the last 3k in them.
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 02:12 |
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Adolfo Castro posted:I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES, I GOT MY SHOES!!! I've been waiting on these for a year. Was expecting delivery to take another 2 weeks but bam, large parcel delivery with my KSO's. Don't do the last 3k in them -- do the FIRST 3k! That way you've still got the energy to focus on your form. (how to focus on your form? by counting 3 footfalls a second -- given this high cadence, everything else will fall into place).
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 02:18 |
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ljw1004 posted:Don't do the last 3k in them -- do the FIRST 3k! That way you've still got the energy to focus on your form. (how to focus on your form? by counting 3 footfalls a second -- given this high cadence, everything else will fall into place). I've ran 60k in last 3 days, 15k run won't be too much hassle and I'll still have high amounts of energy. I just know with my excitement that if I start running in these, won't be able to stop at 3k mark.
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 03:44 |
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ungaungaunga posted:Also screw this injiji socks noise... so expensive! If you have a Daiso (japanese dollar store) nearby, check it out, because they have toe socks there. At least, there were at the Daiso in Richmond, BC. I know there is a Daiso in Seattle as well, but I'm not entirely sure whether they have socks as well. The socks there cost me $2 a pair! But the Injinji socks come in rainbow, which is awesome.
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| # ? Mar 2, 2010 04:21 |
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Adolfo Castro posted:I've ran 60k in last 3 days, 15k run won't be too much hassle and I'll still have high amounts of energy. I just know with my excitement that if I start running in these, won't be able to stop at 3k mark. It's mainly about the calves with a little bit of foot strength thrown in. I ran a half marathon not long before I got my Flows and went back to running 2-3km because otherwise my calves would be on fire.
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| # ? May 18, 2013 14:33 |
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After 6 months of a) working up from running 2-3 miles, and b) getting used to running in VFFs, I ran 10 miles*, my longest yet, in my KSOs yesterday. My calves were a little tight later in the day, but otherwise, I feel awesome. *My usual run is 4-6 miles, either in KSOs or Treks.
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