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Grandpa Pap posted:Yeah, on reflection and after a bit of research (beyond my memories and perceptions growing up, and never being able to watch AWA on TV as a kid), I realize I was a bit hasty in my rush to be humorous/sarky in my original reply, for which I apologize. In an alternate universe Verne decides to put Hogan over Bockwinkel in the title match and Vince goes bankrupt.
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Saints Crow posted:Also, it's weird watching the WWE's WCCW documentary and hearing Kevin defend Fritz a lot even though he seems disappointed in him, and reading about the non WWE doc where he talks about Fritz threatening him with a gun etc. But then again that was probably made around when the Von Erich's were being inducted so they kept it less depressing. What's the name of the non-WWE documentary on World Class, and is it available on netflix or anything like that?
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Frot Lesnar posted:In an alternate universe Verne decides to put Hogan over Bockwinkel in the title match and Vince goes bankrupt. He totally could have made Paul Orndorff his ace! Truly truly!
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Giant Squid posted:What's the name of the non-WWE documentary on World Class, and is it available on netflix or anything like that? http://www.amazon.com/Heroes-World-Class-Wrestling-Directors/dp/B000I2JDD0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1339295932&sr=8-3 oughta be it. Edit: What's the best Stone Cold match of all time? Vs Benoit on Smackdown? rotinaj fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Jun 10, 2012 |
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Jun 10, 2012 03:39
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rotinaj posted:Edit: What's the best Stone Cold match of all time? Vs Benoit on Smackdown? That's probably one. I'd also say v. Bret at WrestleMania XIII, v. Rock at WrestleMania X-Seven and v. Angle at Unforgiven 2001.
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I'd definitely say the Wrestlemania 13 match against Hart. It's one of my favorite matches of all time and part of what made me a fan.
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If Owen hadn't done the sit-out piledriver, Austin woulda probably had a much longer career, huh? 
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rotinaj posted:If Owen hadn't done the sit-out piledriver, Austin woulda probably had a much longer career, huh? Hard to tell. Because of the neck injury, Austin had to work a more brawling oriented style, with less "flashy" moves to preserve his neck. That may have allowed him to work as long as he did, compared to a hypothetical non-broken neck Austin.
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Timby posted:That's probably one. I'd also say v. Bret at WrestleMania XIII, v. Rock at WrestleMania X-Seven and v. Angle at Unforgiven 2001. huh? Anyway, v. Bret at Mania 13 is definitely his best. I'd put v. Rock at 17, v. HHH at No Way Out 2001, and w/HHH v. Benoit/Jericho on Raw really close. Then you go into matches that are almost perfect but off like v. Bret at SS 96, the five on five at Canadian Stampede, the Smackdown Benoit match, v. Foley at Over the Edge 98, and v. Angle at SummerSlam 2001 (the much better Angle match). There's plenty of other stuff too, including the five star WarGames match, but for core top tier Austin matches that's generally what I think of. El Duke Silver fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 10, 2012 |
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Jun 10, 2012 07:52
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rotinaj posted:Edit: What's the best Stone Cold match of all time? Vs Benoit on Smackdown? Stone Cold vs. Bret at WrestleMania 13 is one of my favorites of all time and the popular choice. Their match at Survivor Series 1996 is also very good and rarely gets mentioned. Tag title match with Triple H vs. Jericho & Benoit from RAW of May 2001 is fantastic.
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Bearnt! posted:Stone Cold vs. Bret at WrestleMania 13 is one of my favorites of all time and the popular choice. Their match at Survivor Series 1996 is also very good and rarely gets mentioned. Tag title match with Triple H vs. Jericho & Benoit from RAW of May 2001 is fantastic. I think Austin has said the Survivor Series match is his favorite match. I might be misremembering though.
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A few years ago WWE decided to have their own message board for about 3 days until it was taken over by gimmick accounts and Benoit avatars. Does anyone remember when this was and if there is a thread about it in archives?
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Frot Lesnar posted:A few years ago WWE decided to have their own message board for about 3 days until it was taken over by gimmick accounts and Benoit avatars. Does anyone remember when this was and if there is a thread about it in archives? I remember this day. That was absolutely hilarious.
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More recently they had a place to submit your photos from the live shows. It was quickly overrun with Benoit and naked Chyna.
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You'd think they'd have the foresight to make images need approval before being submitted.
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Frot Lesnar posted:A few years ago WWE decided to have their own message board for about 3 days until it was taken over by gimmick accounts and Benoit avatars. Does anyone remember when this was and if there is a thread about it in archives? The WWE universe forums? That actually lasted for I believe a year.
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rotinaj posted:If Owen hadn't done the sit-out piledriver, Austin woulda probably had a much longer career, huh? How long do you think that character could go on until it got stale? I thought it flatlined when he was the doing the co-GM of Raw with Bischoff in 03. I'm sure someone has answered this before, and I'm also pretty sure the answer is pretty obvious but why was Rock given the Hogan match at WM X8 over Austin? I know about the tension between Hogan and Austin, so was that idea pretty much shot down before even being tossed around?
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It was pretty much entirely because Hogan and Austin didn't get along and Hogan refused to put him over. Austin was really pissed about that and being stuck on the undercard in a match against Scott Hall.
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Cardboard Box posted:It was pretty much entirely because Hogan and Austin didn't get along and Hogan refused to put him over. Austin was really pissed about that and being stuck on the undercard in a match against Scott Hall.
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Cardboard Box posted:It was pretty much entirely because Hogan and Austin didn't get along and Hogan refused to put him over. Austin was really pissed about that and being stuck on the undercard in a match against Scott Hall. I've been watching some old Scott Hall matches from his time in the AWA, and holy poo poo, if he hadn't been a drugged out mess, I think he could have been one of the best ever. Then again, I also think Vince missed the boat on Raven, so take any opinion I have with a salt shaker.
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thesteelhellion posted:Then again, I also think Vince missed the boat on Raven, so take any opinion I have with a salt shaker. Raven is awesome and has a great mind for the business. He should be an agent with WWE... plus they don't drug test agents!
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Cardboard Box posted:Austin was really pissed about that and being stuck on the undercard in a match against Scott Hall. On the other hand, it led to the greatest Stunner of all time.
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sexy_trash posted:Raven is awesome and has a great mind for the business. He should be an agent with WWE... plus they don't drug test agents! That will never happen since he gave Shane drugs and got him laid. WHO THE gently caress HIRED RAVEN?!
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And he, Konnan and some other dude sued on worker's rights issues and got thrown out of court.
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^^^ Probably Sonny Onoo. LividLiquid posted:Hogan didn't refuse to put anyone over at that time. He was willing to do the job for Austin, actually, but Austin had no interest in making Hogan money as Hogan hosed him out of his push in WCW. Is this like how he was willing to do the job for Shawn Michaels?
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LividLiquid posted:Hogan didn't refuse to put anyone over at that time. He was willing to do the job for Austin, actually, but Austin had no interest in making Hogan money as Hogan hosed him out of his push in WCW. Bah, there's so many stories of Hogan refuses to put people over that I get them mixed up.
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Cardboard Box posted:Bah, there's so many stories of Hogan refuses to put people over that I get them mixed up. He'd have jobbed to Austin the same way he jobbed to Warrior and The Rock. Lose the match but make sure that there's something big after it that takes focus away from his loss as well as acting like a face and encouraging the fans to cheer him and turn on Austin. Hogan doesn't let anyone else look like the star of the night. Ever.
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Perdido posted:^^^ Probably Sonny Onoo. 2002-2003 Hogan was by all accounts completely reasonable and willing to go along with anything.
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Gonzo McFee posted:He'd have jobbed to Austin the same way he jobbed to Warrior and The Rock. Lose the match but make sure that there's something big after it that takes focus away from his loss as well as acting like a face and encouraging the fans to cheer him and turn on Austin. yeah, I think Austin's words about it were that if he would have had the match with Hogan, the match would have been about no one but Hogan, no matter who won, so he wouldn't do it. I think he told Shawn this as well when Shawn was in talks to do the Hogan match. Also, as far as Austin's favorite match, I've heard him say both Bret matches, as well as the three stages of Hell match with HHH, were his favorites at different points, so who knows.
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sexy_trash posted:Raven is awesome and has a great mind for the business. He should be an agent with WWE... plus they don't drug test agents! Raven always says how he has a great mind for the business but to paraphrase Bryan Alavarez "I always hear what a psychology genius Raven is, then I see his matches and they are a bunch of boring crowd brawling with no psychology."
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Matches-wise, Raven seems like a pretty standard old school guy. He does basic stuff that makes sense so some guys can have a series of matches. I think he's brilliant with character psychology, because he knows all these little details to put in that make a character seem real and noticeable.
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the last two twitter/facebook pictures ive seen of The Rock are him wearing Alistair Overeem's walkout shirt from UFC 141. The night he beat Brock Lesnar and retired him from the UFC. I was thinking this could be a potential planting of the seeds for something big next year at WM, but Rock said something about it's going to be tough to be a major attraction at Mania since GI Joe 2 got pushed back to that weekend. Oh well. thanks for the Austin/Hogan info. You really think Hogan wanted a face turn to overshadow losing to The Rock? He was INSANELY over the minute the nWo came back...i don't think he needed that. The roof almost came off the Skydome during his entrance. Buff Tannen fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jun 11, 2012 |
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MassRayPer posted:Raven always says how he has a great mind for the business but to paraphrase Bryan Alavarez "I always hear what a psychology genius Raven is, then I see his matches and they are a bunch of boring crowd brawling with no psychology." His Se7en rip-off idea sounded really loving awful too, and whichever McMahon it was who turned it down was absolutely in the right.
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Except that it was originally approved by Vince and Stephanie (who talked vince out of it with Brian Gerwitz's help) said her only problem with it was "There was nowehere to go with the story afterwards", which is kinda silly considering how they book. Also, Raven has said that he hates booking anybody but his own stuff because of all the drama and bullshit that comes with it.
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sexy_trash posted:Raven is awesome and has a great mind for the business. He should be an agent with WWE... plus they don't drug test agents!
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achillesforever6 posted:I don't think WWE would hire since he tried suing them. Jesse Ventura and Jerry Lawler have sued the WWE and won. The WWE will take anyone back. There's no such thing as a completely burned bridge. I'm sure if Chris Benoit found his way back to the land of the living, Vince would consider his options.
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Lone Rogue posted:Jesse Ventura and Jerry Lawler have sued the WWE and won. Yes but that would require Raven to become famous like Venture and be worth as much as Lawler to the WWE.
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bobkatt013 posted:Yes but that would require Raven to become famous like Venture and be worth as much as Lawler to the WWE. He did introduce Shane McMahon to cocaine so that has to count for something.
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Are the current writers on the WWE creative team listed anywhere, either by WWE or independently?
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Lone Rogue posted:He did introduce Shane McMahon to cocaine so that has to count for something. That is one of the reasons he hates him so much.
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