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Substitute Teacher Kane was fired as a result of the Katie Vick murder.
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Dec 26, 2012 23:09
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Kane really seems like he would just be a giant nerd if not for wrestling. Kane IS a giant nerd despite wrestling. I remember reading an interview with him several years ago where he talked about building his new house. He said it was being built around the computer system he had designed and constructed.
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Dec 26, 2012 23:16
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CombineThresher posted:So were Albert/Tensai and Spike Dudley. I knew about Spike Dudley but that's the first time I heard this about Albert. I would love it if some former students published some stories about their freakishly large teachers. I don't even care if they are completely mundane, I just want something to feed to the mental image of "Kane/Albert, substitute teacher". Edit: Re Kane being a nerd. I read somewhere that he's a huge Lord of the Rings fan.
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Dec 26, 2012 23:18
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Hey it's your resident wrestling noob back with some more dumb questions. I've really only been watching Raw and feel like two hours a week is probably enough wrestling for me, but is Smackdown worth watching at all? Or is it just more of the same? Also how is TNA Wrestling? Is it regarded as "better" than WWE, or is it just the draw of having some old-school wrestlers I probably wouldn't know anyway?
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paint dry posted:Hey it's your resident wrestling noob back with some more dumb questions. Smackdown is generally considered better than Raw most weeks. Easier to digest show length too. TNA is usually a complete joke. They looked like they were getting leagues better earlier this year, then...they hosed up every angle they had, almost simultaneously.
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paint dry posted:Also how is TNA Wrestling? Is it regarded as "better" than WWE, or is it just the draw of having some old-school wrestlers I probably wouldn't know anyway? And then there is some wrestling too. Also Kurt Angle still trying to kill himself.
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TNA is worth giving a shot to see if you like it. The angles are pretty bad right now, but the wrestling is great.
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Wojtek posted:How do you feel about Hulk Hogan? Brooke Hogan? Sting? Does the thought of Eric Bischoff and Hulk Hogan's biker gang fantasy intrigue you? Remember this guy's new to wrasslin, so he doesn't know those makes well enough to go "oh god!" like us! Maybe he'll LIKE TNA! I mean there's good wrestling on Impact, and Hogan still likes to pretend it's 1989, so it's possible.
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paint dry posted:Hey it's your resident wrestling noob back with some more dumb questions. Smackdown is two hours as opposed to Raw's three hours, and tends to be more focused on wrestling than skits. It's usually a better wrestling show, but more significant things happen on Raw. TNA is weird, because it has a lot of positives and was very good for the majority of 2012, but has a tendency to take an unbelievable nosedive before slowly working itself back up, which is where it's sitting right now. When it was doing great it was built around using old-school guys in good roles (Hulk Hogan to talk about how awesome everyone in the company was, Devon as a guy just to keep the crowd excited) and the main event built around guy who had never been stars anywhere, but now it's those veterans being the focus of the show in very iffy roles. Edit: TNA is still good enough that it's worth at least giving a chance, and since almost everyone will probably be new to you they won't come with the groans of 'He STILL exists?' that us cranky old folks get. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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TNA comes with the bonus of Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle suicides, like was mentioned, of course. Jeff Hardy is worth it for the "don't do meth, kids" lessons he imparts just by looking at him.
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I was a huge fan of Hulk Hogan when I was a kid (who wasn't?) and I remember Sting from WCW, which was the only wrestling I had access to in the late 90s. I'll check out TNA I guess, though I was mainly intrigued because it's the only wrestling I can watch without resorting to 
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paint dry posted:I was a huge fan of Hulk Hogan when I was a kid (who wasn't?) and I remember Sting from WCW, which was the only wrestling I had access to in the late 90s. I'll check out TNA I guess, though I was mainly intrigued because it's the only wrestling I can watch without resorting to Ring of Honor streams a new TV episode of their website every Thursday. The production values are poor and it's certainly not to everyone's taste, but they have some great wrestlers headlined by an incredible world champ and I personally find it vastly preferable to TNA as a WWE alternative. Smackdown's always generally watchable, but I myself don't really see of a point to it now that RAW has longer matches with the switch to three hours.
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Yeah, I wholeheartedly endorse RoH if you're looking for a WWE alternative. TNA is a rollercoaster of terrible storylines and old guys clinging to fame.
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A thought occurred to me on the way in to work today, how does one get the job of a booker for a promotion? A lot of times I've heard of current and/or former wrestlers doing it, but who makes the choice on who holds the book at any given time?
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"e="BlueArmyMan" post="410924824"] A thought occurred to me on the way in to work today, how does one get the job of a booker for a promotion? A lot of times I've heard of current and/or former wrestlers doing it, but who makes the choice on who holds the book at any given time? [/quote] The owner.
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BlueArmyMan posted:A thought occurred to me on the way in to work today, how does one get the job of a booker for a promotion? A lot of times I've heard of current and/or former wrestlers doing it, but who makes the choice on who holds the book at any given time? The person signing the checks generally decides who is booking.
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Glamorama26 posted:Always heard that Bryan was more of a "survivalist" type and Kane happens to be of similar views. Not bad dudes at all, just have certain ideals that aren't "normal". From how I've heard Bryan talk about it in interviews he knows the survivalist food-and-water storing thing is really goofy and he makes fun of himself for it, but it's just a thing he started doing just in case. He's well aware of what an odd quirk it is and how people are right to view it as a little wacky.
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Thauros posted:Ring of Honor streams a new TV episode of their website every Thursday. The production values are poor and it's certainly not to everyone's taste, but they have some great wrestlers headlined by an incredible world champ and I personally find it vastly preferable to TNA as a WWE alternative.
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Is AJ the most heavily pushed woman in the history of the WWE besides Stephanie? I honestly can't think of anyone else. Maybe Miss Elizabeth?
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Is AJ the most heavily pushed woman in the history of the WWE besides Stephanie? I honestly can't think of anyone else. Maybe Miss Elizabeth? Trish, Lita, Chyna?
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getitoffgetitoff posted:Is AJ the most heavily pushed woman in the history of the WWE besides Stephanie? I honestly can't think of anyone else. Maybe Miss Elizabeth? Chyna got to be IC champion, in a semi legitimate run.
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Sears Poncho posted:Trish, Lita, Chyna? Supreme Allah posted:Chyna got to be IC champion, in a semi legitimate run. This might just be me, but I'd weigh involvement in main event storylines more than winning a midcard championship. And in that sense they certainly pushed AJ more than those three.
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getitoffgetitoff posted:This might just be me, but I'd weigh involvement in main event storylines more than winning a midcard championship. And in that sense they certainly pushed AJ more than those three. Trish kissed Vinces rear end, what has AJ done recently?
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getitoffgetitoff posted:This might just be me, but I'd weigh involvement in main event storylines more than winning a midcard championship. And in that sense they certainly pushed AJ more than those three. Lita got to main event Raw. In an actual singles match that you were supposed to give a poo poo about. That in and of itself is probably the biggest attempt to push a woman seriously they've ever done, where she was the protagonist of the story.
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Miching Mallecho posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJm07iaWOGM&t=388s He was 17 when that song was released so technically he most likely did hear it as a kid, just through reading the lyrics of a very, very kickass song. 
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getitoffgetitoff posted:This might just be me, but I'd weigh involvement in main event storylines more than winning a midcard championship. And in that sense they certainly pushed AJ more than those three. Lita was over enough to be put over in the MAIN EVENT during (bar none) the most financially successful year in the history of the company. For a brief period in early 2000, she was actually getting louder chants on RAW than even THE ROCK IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS PRIME. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbG3osT9r2Y Chyna in her prime was fairly mainstream celebrity (especially after Playboy) and was pushed more on equal level with male wrestlers than probably any woman ever will in any foreseeable future. Say what you will about the content, but the fact that Chyna can sell porn simply on the basis on her name alone at least confers SOME kind of celebrity status. Trish was able to keep a lucrative contract which entitled her to a very significant percentage of her own merchandise sales (something which I doubt Vince allows anymore, especially from a "Diva"), and thus probably made more money than her career than any 10 current WWE "Divas" will ever see COMBINED. Meanwhile AJ as a talking head is being pushed in silly 'main event' storylines in an era where people like Mark Henry and The Miz can be considered 'main eventers'.
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Shiki Dan posted:
You bring up many good points but drat, did you see his run last year?
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Hey don't poo poo on Mark Henry. His title run proved he deserves to be in the main event.
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AJ is pretty much in the Elizabeth position. Trish Stratus was one of the most over wrestlers in the company.
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TenaciousJ posted:Hey don't poo poo on Mark Henry. His title run proved he deserves to be in the main event. It really didn't. With the exception of the ring-breaker Big Show match, his matches were awful, and the reign ended with no accomplishments for anyone. A 40 year old dude who'll retire soon ended his reign losing to a 40 year old dude who'll retire soon. They could've given that push to anyone else, complete with Big Show ringbreak, and even if the guy totally blew, they would've been infinitely more productive. Which is exactly what WWE did with Ryback this year.
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Devil Child posted:It really didn't. With the exception of the ring-breaker Big Show match, his matches were awful, and the reign ended with no accomplishments for anyone. A 40 year old dude who'll retire soon ended his reign losing to a 40 year old dude who'll retire soon. What? That title run was the best heel run in WWE in years and years.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:What? That title run was the best heel run in WWE in years and years. Unless you count matches, money, getting people over, promos, or how it'll help WWE's future.
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Devil Child posted:It really didn't. With the exception of the ring-breaker Big Show match, his matches were awful, and the reign ended with no accomplishments for anyone. A 40 year old dude who'll retire soon ended his reign losing to a 40 year old dude who'll retire soon. He had a good match with Orton and a really good cage match with Bryan. Orton was on fire that year and Bryan is Bryan, but he did have some good matches. Mark Henry's title reign was honestly one of the great things about wrestling that makes it unique. It took an extremely limited guy and booked him to hide his weaknesses, and in turn he stepped up. I remember people flipping out over how great it was when he flung the stagehand into the black hole or crushed people, and how this proved how great Henry was. It didn't, in the end it was about booking the moment and a guy taking the right bump, but that's the point, it was booked to make him look great! And it did! He did a great job, he played an entertaining character and he didn't gently caress anything up as he had with other main event pushes. Plus he's a nice dude so that was cool too.
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Devil Child posted:Unless you count matches, money, getting people over, promos, or how it'll help WWE's future. Matches: it gave us the aforementioned Show match which was a great spectacle at least, a couple really cool underdog Bryan matches. Also this wasn't strictly when he had the title but it was still in the heart of his main event run, the matches that turned Sheamus. Money: Who gives a poo poo? It wasn't an active deterrent in ratings or buyrates and the WHC hasn't been the focus of money programs basically since Jeff Hardy left. Getting people over: Sheamus. To a lesser extent Bryan; people were ACHING for him to cash in on Henry. Promos: Every promo during that run was ABSOLUTE gold. Best work of Henry's career by country miles.
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Devil Child posted:Unless you count matches, money, getting people over, promos, or how it'll help WWE's future. I loved the match when Orton dropped the title to Henry. It really seemed like a turning of a corner, for me personally, but not in the way people usually use that phrase. What I saw was Orton, one of those now classic faces of the company, coming in to do his usual thing against an opponent the fans probably saw as out of his league. But Henry came in with a full head of steam and a ton of momentum, and just Wore. Orton. The gently caress. Out. The part I especially liked was in the set up to the finish, Henry just kicks Orton in the knee once. And TOTALLY fucks his leg up with one shot while Henry was practically sitting on his rear end. And that was it. For me, it was a return to the days where a lucky blow could turn the tide, just like that, and the unpredictable could still happen. Mind you, I wasn't young or anything, so the child's bigger than life eye wasn't at play, and I wasn't a huge fan of either. I just really dug how the whole thing came together. Typical face tries to typical face his way through another larger than life opponent and just gets picked apart for his troubles. I especially was into the actual finish, where Orton is out on his feet, and if memory serves, tried for a half assed RKO and just couldn't even get close to pulling it off. Henry brushes him off, hits his finish, and even during the count I thought "No way in hell." Then 3. New champ. And the Hall Of Pain promos were good, I thought. Been a while since I watched them tho. Gonna go watch that match now. I'm bored and curious if it was just me being drunk or some weird mood I was in at the time that made me enjoy it more. Might have been a context thing. E: the only link to the match I could find has french commentary dubbed over the top... surely this won't sully my viewing experience. Can't mute it because half of it is Henry screaming at Orton constantly. And boo on you for forgetting when Henry tossed a poor man into the abyss. Forgot all about that. cucka fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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MassRayPer posted:I remember people flipping out over how great it was when he flung the stagehand into the black hole or crushed people, and how this proved how great Henry was. I heartily agree with this. Obviously they booked the reign right, but there were at least half a dozen non-injured guys in WWE they could've given the exact same reign to with better results. SamuraiFoochs posted:Matches: it gave us the aforementioned Show match which was a great spectacle at least, a couple really cool underdog Bryan matches. Also this wasn't strictly when he had the title but it was still in the heart of his main event run, the matches that turned Sheamus. DBD has really cool matches with everyone, no matter how lovely, and the Big Show ring-breaker, and numerous losses would've been better served on someone who wasn't destined to get injured the second his reign ended. SamuraiFoochs posted:Money: Who gives a poo poo? It wasn't an active deterrent in ratings or buyrates and the WHC hasn't been the focus of money programs basically since Jeff Hardy left. Do you see the problem with this sentence? SamuraiFoochs posted:Getting people over: Sheamus. To a lesser extent Bryan; people were ACHING for him to cash in on Henry. Bryan definitely didn't get over from losing repeatedly to Mark Henry in minutes while Michael Cole verbally crapped on him regardless of heel-face status. SamuraiFoochs posted:Promos: Every promo during that run was ABSOLUTE gold. Best work of Henry's career by country miles. That's because he WON EVERY MATCH HE WAS IN DECISIVELY AND IS loving HUGE! Anyone could've given those Hall of Pain promos after winning endlessly and gotten over. That's why they originally planned on giving the gimmick to the equally crappy, but at least youthful, Brodus Clay before Clay spoiled his gimmick on the Internet and got ribbed repeatedly.
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cucka posted:I especially was into the actual finish, where Orton is out on his feet, and if memory serves, tried for a half assed RKO and just couldn't even get close to pulling it off. Henry brushes him off, hits his finish, and even during the count I thought "No way in hell." Orton literally crawled up Mark Henry, pulling onto the tights to get on his feet, to try and hit the RKO. And Mark Henry just loving pushed him away like nothing. Personally, if the rise of Punk got be back into wrestling, that match just solidified me watching again. And anyone who says he's bad on the mic, on top of the Hall of Pain promos there was him at the commentary table when Big Show vs. Daniel Bryan happened for the title in the lead up to the fun triple threat cage match at the Rumble where he was amazing.
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