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It's probably been covered, but is there some reasons ADR's theme is the exact same theme Tito Santana used? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EL7CbabY0Y4#t=815s Was this a one time thing, or was this Tito's theme, or what's the deal.
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They only used entrance themes for the first two guys in the Rumble back then. The rest were added to that video by whoever uploaded it to YouTube. I don't think Tito ever actually used that music.
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Jan 12, 2013 20:08
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cucka posted:It's probably been covered, but is there some reasons ADR's theme is the exact same theme Tito Santana used? From the video's description: "Re-live the greatest royal rumble ever, now with added entrance music! It gives an altogether different yet unique experience!" He made some poor choices, too. The Barbarian's entrance sounds quite tropical.
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Jan 12, 2013 20:12
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I lost it at the Warlord coming out to Triple H's music. Barbarian was a Headshrinker at one point, so him coming out the generic Samoan music isn't a terrible choice.
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Jan 12, 2013 20:24
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An Actual Bear posted:Maffew uploaded a video of Paul London at a WCW PPV in late 2000 - early 2001. If I remember rightly he yells at Scott Steiner, I'm surprised he wasn't killed. He did get hit because he was being used as a plant.
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Jan 12, 2013 20:26
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Were there any female WWE title champs? Have all of the female wrestlers been relegated to Divas except for Kharma and Chyna? It seems like in the 21st century it would be a good business move to have a strong woman champ.
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Jan 12, 2013 21:13
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Himuro posted:Were there any female WWE title champs? Have all of the female wrestlers been relegated to Divas except for Kharma and Chyna? It seems like in the 21st century it would be a good business move to have a strong woman champ. Chyna got the closest when she became the #1 contender for the championship in August 1999.
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Jan 12, 2013 21:16
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Diabolik900 posted:They only used entrance themes for the first two guys in the Rumble back then. The rest were added to that video by whoever uploaded it to YouTube. I don't think Tito ever actually used that music. This was because it was explicitly for ADR, but on Old School RAW, Tito came out to that theme to guest announce ADR for his match.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:03
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Chyna did hold the Intercontinental title too
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Jan 12, 2013 22:06
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Timby posted:Chyna got the closest when she became the #1 contender for the championship in August 1999. She never held the WWF championship, but she did win the IC title off of Jarrett when he left for WCW. I believe She's the only woman to hold a title in a men's division.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:07
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Technically Medusa was in the WCW Title tournament (twice!) and won a first round match by DQ, but she was treated as a complete joke and openly mocked by commentators for being a woman competing with the men.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:16
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Himuro posted:Were there any female WWE title champs? Have all of the female wrestlers been relegated to Divas except for Kharma and Chyna? It seems like in the 21st century it would be a good business move to have a strong woman champ. Yeah, but in the era of PG television, the whole "man hitting a woman", even if the woman is booked as the man's equal, would still raise bad press because of domestic abuse. Look how Kharma was handled at last year's Rumble. Comes in, scares Michael Cole (even though Booker & Lawler technically eliminated him), Dolph gets in her face but DOESN'T hit her, she gives Dolph an ImplantBuster, throws Hunico over the top rope and then is thrown over by Dolph after Vickie distracts her. Kharma was never actually physically assaulted by a man.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:16
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Great White Hope posted:Technically Medusa was in the WCW Title tournament (twice!) and won a first round match by DQ, but she was treated as a complete joke and openly mocked by commentators for being a woman competing with the men. Does anybody remember, during the Russo era, Mike Tenay having a misogynist gimmick where he'd do backstage interviews and say horrible poo poo to women?
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Jan 12, 2013 22:42
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If you go outside of WWE Rachel Summerlyn currently holds the top belt for Anarchy Championship Wrestling.
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Jan 12, 2013 22:49
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LividLiquid posted:Russo. :facepalm: During a Russo run everyone has that gimmick.
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Jan 12, 2013 23:13
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It's impossible to take inter-gender wrestling seriously, and giving men's belts to women will always be a bad idea. Not that women can't have spectacular pro-wrestling matches, the Joshi wrestling scene in the 90's was artistically good. Men/women wrestling matches are either too goofy to see as a serious fight, or too creepy to watch without scrubbing you're skin off Fight Club style. It's also a stupid idea to give men women's titles a la Russo. It buries the guy by making him look like someone who can only beat women, and buries every woman in the company simultaneously by affirmatively stating they're all beneath a man who's treated like a joke anyway. In other words, Vince Russo should have his fingers and tongue tossed into a sewage refinery to keep his awful ideas from poisoning the thought-stream any further.
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Devil Child posted:It's impossible to take inter-gender wrestling seriously, and giving men's belts to women will always be a bad idea. It's becoming a lot more common and if it's done fine nobody really seems to have a problem with it nor is it generally creepy. If you present it as A Thing and give no creepy undertones to it or anything people tend to not have a problem with it; I know this is probably going to be like hitting the Shaman Signal but Chikara seems to do a good job of it because it's not presented as Man vs. Woman but Wrestler vs. Wrestler both of who just happen to be opposite genders. Nobody had their heat killed or were thought of as a joke because they lost to Sara Del Rey. Senjo's opponents in KoT this year weren't seen as being reduced to inferior jokes because they other got beaten or wound up being taken to the limit by them. If it's just presented as a normal deal then eventually people are going to think of it as normal. If you present it as "this guy is losing to a WOMAN and therefore inferior" or with fetishistic undertones then again people will take that away from it. It's all in the presentation.
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Suben posted:It's becoming a lot more common and if it's done fine nobody really seems to have a problem with it nor is it generally creepy. If you present it as A Thing and give no creepy undertones to it or anything people tend to not have a problem with it; I know this is probably going to be like hitting the Shaman Signal but Chikara seems to do a good job of it because it's not presented as Man vs. Woman but Wrestler vs. Wrestler both of who just happen to be opposite genders. Nobody had their heat killed or were thought of as a joke because they lost to Sara Del Rey. Senjo's opponents in KoT this year weren't seen as being reduced to inferior jokes because they other got beaten or wound up being taken to the limit by them. It really isn't becoming more common, it's probably a lot less common than it was during say, the Monday Night wars when inter-gender matches were pretty common on TV, because Vince Russo or ECW.
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Yeah, it's all about presentation. I mean, BJW done a load of man vs woman deathmatches a while back, and no-one even batted an eye, because they just ran it like a regular match, just...with women.
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MassRayPer posted:It really isn't becoming more common, it's probably a lot less common than it was during say, the Monday Night wars when inter-gender matches were pretty common on TV, because Vince Russo or ECW. Common probably isn't the right word then, I dunno, but at least in the last couple of years it seems to be being done less in the way it used to be back in that era. I don't think you really would've gotten a man vs. woman match that was presented as anything other than comedy or fetish stuff as compared to now where it seems like if it happens (at least here; Japan is Japan) there seems to be an attempt to make it more of a legit thing that's just as much a part of a card as any other match on the card. I know one of the reasons Chikara was able to get Toyota the first time was because she had wanted to wrestle men which was something she hadn't really had the chance to do in Japan up to that point. Suben fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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VogeGandire posted:Yeah, it's all about presentation. Satoshi Kojima had an intergender match with someone a few years ago (can't remember who.) That was worked like a typical match as well.
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Jan 13, 2013 03:00
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Kaufman is one of those really rare exceptions, and he ultimately got his just desserts from Lawler. For it to be a Russo move is if he got away with it in the end.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Satoshi Kojima had an intergender match with someone a few years ago (can't remember who.) That was worked like a typical match as well. Misae Genki, one of her last matches actually (since Kojima was her idol). It's a pretty awesome match too where she's clearly the underdog but gives Kojima everything she has so even when she's got him on the ropes it makes her look great while not making him look weak in the slightest. Edit: gently caress it, here it is. Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Suben fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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Jan 13, 2013 03:35
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Didn't Lita and Trish Stratus both have shots at/runs with/something to do with non-Women's belts at some stage? Also three or four women had the hardcore belt at various stages. I believe Chyna holds it currently?
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Satoshi Kojima had an intergender match with someone a few years ago (can't remember who.) That was worked like a typical match as well. I was just remembering Ryuji Ito and Yuki Miyzaki vs 045 Junkies. It's actually a crazy match, and Miyzaki seems to go out of her way to just kill the gently caress out of Jun Kasai.
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ChaosSmurf posted:Didn't Lita and Trish Stratus both have shots at/runs with/something to do with non-Women's belts at some stage? Pretty sure Lita and Trish never challenged for any men's titles. They did wrestle Christian and Jericho once in 2003, and Lita had a match with Dean Malenko in 2001. Also they had a main event match on Raw for the Women's title in 04, and Lita had a SD main event match vs Stephanie in 2000.
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Aku posted:Kaufman is one of those really rare exceptions, and he ultimately got his just desserts from Lawler. Plus, Kaufman was doing it as a joke to get over as a heel, like when the Million Dollar Man played basketball with those little kids.
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Great White Hope posted:Technically Medusa was in the WCW Title tournament (twice!) and won a first round match by DQ, but she was treated as a complete joke and openly mocked by commentators for being a woman competing with the men. As punishment for complaining that women's wrestling was a joke she was entered in that tournament to face Meng and Benoit. She was rescued by Evan Karagias and become his girlfriend but it turns out she was just using him to win his cruiserweight title. Her title defenses included making out with her opponent while their shoulders were on the mat and burying their heads in her breasts to hypnotise them. She then lost the belt to Oklahoma. 
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Jan 13, 2013 17:59
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So what exactly happened with the Cena Lesnar faceoff? I know the general story of the post-Extreme Rules promo from Cena, but was Lesnar just told to be as stiff as he wanted? It looked like he busted him open hardline at the promo on Raw and in the match.
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Jan 13, 2013 18:07
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I think it was more Lesnar was probably amped-up and hadn't wrestled in years so maybe he had some mma instincts kick in. Or he was cleared to fight more "real" and sometimes guys bleed when you drive an elbow into their face at close range. Also, he was bringing back legitimacy.
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I think the plan from the get-go was to bust Cena open hard way right after the opening bell. After that initial exchange he wasn't near as stiff. It was an awesome moment in an awesome match like nothing we'd ever seen before.
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I was just thinking for some reason that while in Japan, Hulk Hogan used the Axe Bomber (Lariat) as a finisher instead of his legdrop, even after he was a megastar. I was wondering if there was anyone else who used different finishers in different parts of the world. Foley used the Double Arm DDT while in Japan but I think that was more of a Cactus Jack thing. Jericho might have used something different before he started using the Lion Tamer.
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Big Poppa posted:I was just thinking for some reason that while in Japan, Hulk Hogan used the Axe Bomber (Lariat) as a finisher instead of his legdrop, even after he was a megastar. He legit KO'd Inoki with the Axe Bomber, which pretty much made it a finisher forever over there.
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So any move can be a finisher if you botch badly enough?
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More to do with it being Inoki, who never lost at that time.
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Jan 13, 2013 21:05
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I was watching some old Rumble interviews from around '91/'92 and a lot of the wrestlers referred to the Rumble happening "this afternoon" rather than "tonight". Were events held earlier in the day back then?
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I don't remember if it was every PPV or just certain ones, but they would often start at 4pm eastern. There were also PPVs on other days besides Sunday; Summerslam was on Mondays and the Survivor Series was either Wednesday or Thursday. Edit - Now that I think about it, maybe it was just the Rumble and Wrestlemania that would start in the afternoon since they were on weekends. Carlton Banks fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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I remember when I was a kid they'd make wrestlers have scripted vignettes that go further into their characters that would play before they came out. Like they'd have Razor Ramon at a country club getting his swag on. It'd tell us what he was about and give the show life outside of the actual company. The thing is they still do this but it is exclusive on the site or on the WWE app. We saw that baller Cesaro thing in Georgia the other day. Heck on Smack down the other day they had Cesaro do a picture in picture promo with him giving a recorded mini promo while he was getting in the ring. They need to have every wrestler do this. I remember back in the day they'd have every worker do this. It gives every performer a backstory and more of an outlet to build feuds and develop characters. It gives me a reason to give a poo poo. Like this Kaitlyn and Eve feud. I have no reason to care about this feud because I don't even know who Kaitlyn is or what she represents. She's just a shmook who comes from the back to me. Far more interesting way to develop characters than simple in ring promos or interviews and far more preferable to all crappy drama poo poo they have going on now. Punk blasting the Rock from Miami U was a step in the right direction. Did they stop doing this for budget reasons?
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Himuro posted:I remember when I was a kid they'd make wrestlers have scripted vignettes that go further into their characters that would play before they came out. Like they'd have Razor Ramon at a country club getting his swag on. It'd tell us what he was about and give the show life outside of the actual company. I remember them doing this with the Highlanders, Cryme Tyme, Carlito and a few others.
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