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ArchangeI posted:Look, just because you throw people of a certain religious group into a camp doesn't mean you have to gas them all. That would be, like, expensive. 
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I just saw this old chestnut on my feed. The poster is in the military, I'm Minnie Strone.
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Aug 29, 2014 02:32
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Its nice to think the point was just to punish people for using drugs. Now that they lack the ability to get free meals I have to assume they will now simply starve to death and not engage in illegal activities to get food. Its also nice to know that the money they spent on those drug tests went to companies the governor has invested millions of dollars in. http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/02/2147243/gov-rick-scotts-policies-could.html
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Aug 29, 2014 02:38
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Duncan Doenitz posted:I just saw this old chestnut on my feed. The poster is in the military, I'm Minnie Strone. If that's really the purpose, then why don't we apply that to every form of government aid. Why not force senior citizens to self exclude themselves from casinos before getting social security. Let's do alcohol tests on people who use the mortgage interest deduction.
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Aug 29, 2014 02:44
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Duncan Doenitz posted:I just saw this old chestnut on my feed. The poster is in the military, I'm Minnie Strone. In this case I like to point out that most TANF recipients are households with dependent children. And the majority of TANF households include a working adult too. So yeah, let's make children starve to spite their parents.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:02
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Defenestration posted:In this case I like to point out that most TANF recipients are households with dependent children. That line of reasoning isn't gonna get us anywhere with Colin Derr - he clearly doesn't value human life above his classist, holier-than-thou attitudes.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:17
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I just don't understand why people care so much about people doing drugs. I don't think a food stamp card can be used on drugs, at least in my experience.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:20
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Defenestration posted:In this case I like to point out that most TANF recipients are households with dependent children. TANF also has a massive budget of $17 billion which is.... Oh right, literally nothing in federal government terms. Without TANF at all, our $3.77 trillion in expenditures this year would fall to $3.60 trillion. Totally worth demonizing nearly five million people, more than half of which are children. I'm pretty sure we give agri-business twice as much money every year, much of which goes to farmers to *not* grow crops or to companies that literally don't need the money. http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/ofa/2014_children_tan.pdf
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Aug 29, 2014 03:22
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I say we drug test all the executives of oil companies before they get subsidies.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:23
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That was a common Holocaust joke when I was a kid in Israel. "Why did Hitler kill himself? Because he saw the gas bill."
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Aug 29, 2014 03:35
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people care so much about people doing drugs. I don't think a food stamp card can be used on drugs, at least in my experience. There's a belief that if you do drugs you are a lazy jobless moocher. Mostly cause you're getting too high on crack all the time to apply/go to a job, even though to stay on welfare you have to prove you've been making the attempt. This of course doesn't apply to alcohol because it's legal, therefore it's completely different.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:37
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Joshmo posted:Well, it's official. The Super 100%, No Questions Asked Or You're Definitely A Liberal, Republican guy on my Facebook who either posts how awesome his family is and how much he loves Jesus OR links to every single article posted by the IJReview, WesternJournalism.com or the Conservative Daily Facebook group is also 100% racist. You need to go into MSPaint and replace the picture with that of a Puritan settler or a Conquistador. Just to gently caress with him. Honestly I can't take that guy seriously. He's basically looks like the mid-east version of a rich, fat white guy with dual uzis, a trench coat and a fedora.
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Aug 29, 2014 03:54
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Joshmo posted:TANF also has a massive budget of $17 billion which is.... Oh right, literally nothing in federal government terms. Without TANF at all, our $3.77 trillion in expenditures this year would fall to $3.60 trillion. Totally worth demonizing nearly five million people, more than half of which are children. I'm pretty sure we give agri-business twice as much money every year, much of which goes to farmers to *not* grow crops or to companies that literally don't need the money. You're math is off. It's not 3.77 vs 3.6 trillion, it's 3.77 vs 3.75 trillion. So ten times less significant to the overall budget. It's killing a bunch of economic turnover for stores and farmers, as well as a bunch of help for people in need, for a blip in the budget gap.
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Aug 29, 2014 04:15
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people care so much about people doing drugs. I don't think a food stamp card can be used on drugs, at least in my experience. and also have you ever been in a Wal-Mart on the first of the month? In my experience, the only way to get through to people like that is to focus exclusively on the plight of the children. In a lot of ways it's a cop-out-- you're basically conceding that adults who need assistance are drug users and malingerers, just like the GOP claims-- but only the most hardened Teahadist can stand firm in their convictions when you point out that stripping adults of their assistance means damning the children in their care to starve. No one should suffer for the sins of their father, even when that sin is so heinous as Daring to Be Poor in America. Of course, even the people who are "convinced" by this rhetorical tack continue to vote straight R every November, so in the end all you've gained are a few Facebook debate points.
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Aug 29, 2014 04:32
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Mr E posted:I just don't understand why people care so much about people doing drugs. I don't think a food stamp card can be used on drugs, at least in my experience. Better that a thousand children go hungry than that my tax dollars go to one person I feel is undeserving of assistance, be it that they spend it on sugary drinks or that they use their own money on a drug or they have a car that isn't a rusted heap or anything else. Essentially that is what is being said, though people fail to recognize that because they are wrapped in the morality of one person in a complicated system of broad assistance for various people. Sometimes you need to point that out to people for them to recognize that their suggestion does more harm than good, and sometimes they just won't care or wave it away as a "matter of principle".
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Aug 29, 2014 04:49
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T. Bombastus posted:and also have you ever been in a Wal-Mart on the first of the month? I never got why people used this as an argument against food stamps, don't a lot of people get paid on the first and the fifteenth? Are they inspecting each person's method of payment, or just assuming that everyone there is on welfare?
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Aug 29, 2014 04:50
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I never got why people used this as an argument against food stamps, don't a lot of people get paid on the first and the fifteenth? Are they inspecting each person's method of payment, or just assuming that everyone there is on welfare? It varies state to state. Lots of states spread it out over various periods ranging from a few days to most of the month, organized by various factors from birth date to case number to full name, etc. Check for your state though you can truthfully say it's bullshit nationally to suggest SNAP recipients make a mad rush on the first of the month.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:00
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I never got why people used this as an argument against food stamps, don't a lot of people get paid on the first and the fifteenth? Are they inspecting each person's method of payment, or just assuming that everyone there is on welfare? I always went to Walmart to get my checks cashed when I was in my undergrad because I didn't want to open a bank account and the fee was near nothing. I guess I'm a lazy moocher. Also EDIT: Phrasing.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:I never got why people used this as an argument against food stamps, don't a lot of people get paid on the first and the fifteenth? Are they inspecting each person's method of payment, or just assuming that everyone there is on welfare? They're looking at something to assume people are on welfare, yea.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:28
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85% of the people on welfare in my city are white. Obviously whites need to stop being lazy freeloaders and be more like the Mexicans and Vietnamese, who know the true value of hard work and bootstraps.
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Aug 29, 2014 05:31
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You can't even call conservative rhetoric lies anymore. Its something beyond incorrect facts and misinformation. It's just a complete inversion of reality and the meaning of words and ideas. You're racist if you don't believe black people are shiftless moochers. Working longer hours for less pay than previous generations makes millenials lazy and entitled. The lack of persecution of gays is itself a form of persecution. Having to comply with an EPA regulation is worse than being gunned down by the police. Taxes are slavery, but slavery wasn't that bad for black people.
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Aug 29, 2014 09:44
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Dr Christmas posted:You can't even call conservative rhetoric lies anymore. Its something beyond incorrect facts and misinformation. It's just a complete inversion of reality and the meaning of words and ideas. You're racist if you don't believe black people are shiftless moochers. Working longer hours for less pay than previous generations makes millenials lazy and entitled. The lack of persecution of gays is itself a form of persecution. Having to comply with an EPA regulation is worse than being gunned down by the police. Taxes are slavery, but slavery wasn't that bad for black people. Something something enemies are both too weak and too strong
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Aug 29, 2014 13:18
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Just got this from my racist customer -quote:Detroit ISNA Conference – Stealth Jihad for The Subjugation of America A judge has overturned ISNA's co-conspirator designation so that's not a relevant point. The "this democracy will crumble" might sound inflammatory but is really just saying that only God is eternal when compared to governments and states. The Muslim Brotherhood has something like half a million members and is hardly representative of Islam as a whole, but it's difficult when there seem to be such outspoken assholes to point to. I kind of feel like the only counterargument I could offer him would get dismissed as No True Scotsman.
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Dr Christmas posted:You can't even call conservative rhetoric lies anymore. Its something beyond incorrect facts and misinformation. It's just a complete inversion of reality and the meaning of words and ideas. You're racist if you don't believe black people are shiftless moochers. Working longer hours for less pay than previous generations makes millenials lazy and entitled. The lack of persecution of gays is itself a form of persecution. Having to comply with an EPA regulation is worse than being gunned down by the police. Taxes are slavery, but slavery wasn't that bad for black people.
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Mo_Steel posted:It varies state to state. Lots of states spread it out over various periods ranging from a few days to most of the month, organized by various factors from birth date to case number to full name, etc. Check for your state though you can truthfully say it's bullshit nationally to suggest SNAP recipients make a mad rush on the first of the month. In some places they do make a mad rush the night they're available but that's more a practical thing than being eager to spend their ill-gotten swag. In live in PA and you get the money once a month. PA has gently caress all for other welfare, generally, and the idea of PA's welfare is to make being on assistance loving awful with the excuse of "well we want to inspire people to get off of it." In practice, though, it's a decaying Rust Belt state with few opportunities so you have massive swathes of the population living in crushing poverty with absolutely no way to leave it other than "get involved in drug smuggling, hope to never get caught." A lot of people are just so damned poor they can barely afford the gas for one trip to the store every month and some families just flat out don't get enough to pay for a month's worth of food. So what you have is a lot of people that haven't eaten much for the few days before food stamps or, alternately, ran out of proper food and have been living off of microwavable frozen corn meals for up to two weeks and are starting to run out of important things and are being told by their bodies that this isn't cutting it. The myth of "mad rush the night food stamps hit the cards" has some truth to it but it isn't for the reasons people circulating that crap think. It's really not something you can blame food stamp recipients for.
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Aug 29, 2014 14:48
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I feel like whoever is in charge of welfare over there doesn't understand the point of welfare.
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Neruz posted:I feel like whoever is in charge of welfare over there doesn't understand the point of welfare. This is the US as a whole. Welfare recipients don't understand the point of welfare oftentimes. You have people in the Freep thread bitching about moochers while they collect their government pension check. I know Social Security is supposed to be marginally different on paper, but the reason it exists is because the elderly were become a very large portion of the people in poverty. It literally began as a welfare program, but is only structured the way it is to prevent people from thinking it's welfare.
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RagnarokAngel posted:There's a belief that if you FTFY People who claim to not want to support someone else's "drug habit" are the same ones who almost stroke out imagining a black woman buying lobster with her EBT card. You know, because it's always a black woman in these peoples' minds.
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Me: Why do gamers hate Anita Sarkeesian? Bisexual male furry gamer friend: *spams with messages about how feminist are evil liars, with a little "truth is in the middle" MRAs are also bad for good measure* Long post warning quote:Never tell your password to anyone. I probably made horrible arguments to start, but how do I even respond? 
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Aug 29, 2014 23:17
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When I read the words "furry gamer friend", he seemed like a lost cause to begin with.
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Just got off the phone with my Mom, my step brother called my parents freaking the gently caress out about this, they are driving and wondered why they couldn't find anything on the internet about it: http://dcgazette.com/seventy-two-killed-resisting-gun-confiscation-in-boston/ I couldn't stop laughing. Right wing paranoia mixed with stupidity is an amazing combination. I just heard my step-dad realize in real time that his son is an idiot. What a precious moment.
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Aug 29, 2014 23:25
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:When I read the words "furry gamer friend", he seemed like a lost cause to begin with. It's strange because most of those "furry gamers" on my list aren't total shitlords, They're mostly apathetic or center-left, typically. My best friend in the real world, however is about as far-left, if not further than me (then again, we're both transwomen, so naturally more empathy with more underprivileged people). I guess it's mostly a privilaged white men thing? 
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Aug 29, 2014 23:31
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So I got a dude out in the San Diego suburbs posting endless stuff every hour from TPNN.com and the Western Center for Journalism on facebook. It's certainly insightful.
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A family member of mine shared this. They had never shared anything racist like this before. I commented and told them how disappointed I was to see this sort of thing from them, then chickened out and immediately deleted it. This kind of racism is just disgusting and I feel so ineffectual because people who post this sort of thing are too far gone for help. Edit: posted a snopes article that in the very least pointed out a few false equivalencies.
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poop device posted:A family member of mine shared this. They had never shared anything racist like this before. I commented and told them how disappointed I was to see this sort of thing from them, then chickened out and immediately deleted it. This kind of racism is just disgusting and I feel so ineffectual because people who post this sort of thing are too far gone for help. Way to contribute to the echo chamber going on in their head. poop device posted:Edit: posted a snopes article that in the very least pointed out a few false equivalencies. Oh. nvm that helps
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staticman posted:Me: Why do gamers hate Anita Sarkeesian? He is right about one thing. Anita has been debunked multiple times, sometimes in her own videos where you can see the game actively punishing the player's score for doing things like beating up strippers. People don't like her because she seems to purposely misrepresent a lot of games. There can certainly be a case made about how women are portrayed in games, but she ruins the argument by being dishonest and the "boys club" can actually see and point out her dishonesty so why should them really believe that there is any problem when the face of the argument is caught in lies all the time?
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gatesealer posted:why should them really believe that there is any problem when the face of the argument is caught in lies all the time? Because human beings are capable of rational, considered, critical thought and shouldn't just throw themselves into their loving hugboxes and whine about the mean feminazis criticizing their toys.
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gatesealer posted:He is right about one thing. Anita has been debunked multiple times, sometimes in her own videos where you can see the game actively punishing the player's score for doing things like beating up strippers. People don't like her because she seems to purposely misrepresent a lot of games. There can certainly be a case made about how women are portrayed in games, but she ruins the argument by being dishonest and the "boys club" can actually see and point out her dishonesty so why should them really believe that there is any problem when the face of the argument is caught in lies all the time? My favorite example of posts like this is when someone was real mad that she said in a Hitman game you find a dead hooker and use her as a distraction tool by throwing her from a balcony at cops and said that was a pretty fuckin weird moment and kinda symbolized the game's whole issue what with it being full of hookers and fetish nuns you murder and use as props, and some dude was all 'uh no you actually murder the hooker yourself SO YEA' as if that matters at all or means literally anything.
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DoctorWhat posted:Because human beings are capable of rational, considered, critical thought and shouldn't just throw themselves into their loving hugboxes and whine about the mean feminazis criticizing their toys. I understand that, sadly despite being capable of these things, not all humans demonstrate them. I'm not trying to justify their lack of understanding of the subject, I was simply pointing out why people do not like Anita because people need to understand it isn't just hate for the sake of it. They don't like her because she is caught lying all the time and just claims she is being attacked when people point out the lies. Tatum Girlparts posted:My favorite example of posts like this is when someone was real mad that she said in a Hitman game you find a dead hooker and use her as a distraction tool by throwing her from a balcony at cops and said that was a pretty fuckin weird moment and kinda symbolized the game's whole issue what with it being full of hookers and fetish nuns you murder and use as props, and some dude was all 'uh no you actually murder the hooker yourself SO YEA' as if that matters at all or means literally anything. e: nvm thought you were talking about a different part of the game. gatesealer fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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gatesealer posted:I understand that, sadly despite being capable of these things, not all humans demonstrate them. I'm not trying to justify their lack of understanding of the subject, I was simply pointing out why people do not like Anita because people need to understand it isn't just hate for the sake of it. They don't like her because she is caught lying all the time and just claims she is being attacked when people point out the lies. Nah dude she mainly claims she's being attacked when a dude posts her address and says he's going to rape and murder her and her parents and then posts their address.
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