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God why don't poor people just get jobs. It's easy, just use the internet connection 57 percent of you don't have!
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Is it even possible to get a job without a computer these days?
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Sep 16, 2014 04:15
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Or drive around town handing in job applications, in the car 25% of them don't have.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:16
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Fulchrum posted:Is it even possible to get a job without a computer these days? Working minimum wage for some small businessman luddite, perhaps.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:21
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A microwave is like $40, why aren't these so-called poors pawning them and using the vast riches acquired thereby to pay for their children's health care instead of mooching off the government?
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Sep 16, 2014 04:23
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Also those cars are awesome cars. They're reliable cars, not a 1995 Pontiac Rolling Liability GT.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:23
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Sep 16, 2014 04:25
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Half of poor households have access to a 13 year old videogame console you can get for $5 from goodwill? Lucky Ducks! Isn't there an old fox news screen cap about "poor people" having refrigerators? Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:25
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borkencode posted:Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days. I looked at that link and literally thought it was from The Onion.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:28
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borkencode posted:Half of poor households have access to a 13 year old videogame console you can get for $5 from goodwill? Lucky Ducks! Forgoing ALL of those appliances would pay for between one and two months rent. edit: Jesus gently caress, assholes are STILL churning out that poo poo? I was expecting that old one with the worried looking rich families, or that other one that got attention a few years back, and here you've got one from THIS MONTH. VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 04:32
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borkencode posted:Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days. I stopped listening at groceries for four people as $575 per week. The five people in my house maybe barely spend that in a month and we eat well. Fake edit: Oh my God, I decided to soldier on to see if they included eating out on top of that in discretionary expenses (they do), and got to two vacations at $25,000/yr. And a new $60,000 car every four years. The rich just can't make ends meet from taxes  But if you're poor and you buy your kid a discounted old video game system for $20, then gently caress you, no wonder you're poor when you mismanage your money like that!
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Sep 16, 2014 04:36
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So I guess the truth really was somewhere in the middle! A guy living out of a borrowed truck while in San Diego getting mental health treatment took the wrong freeway onramp that took him directly to Mexico. He had all of his worldly possessions in the truck, including his rifle, pistol, and shotgun. When he got to the border station, he told the Mexican agents about the guns and asked to just make a U-turn. Contrast that with this: Berke Negri posted:Is that the guy who 'accidentally' drove into Mexico with a truck full of M16s? The implication of the above sentence is that the guy was clearly involved in some kind of gun-running operation, and that is nowhere near the truth. This whole thread is devoted to debunking people that try to manipulate reality in this way to make "their side" look right, and it's rather depressing to see people defending the exact same poo poo just because it opposes some dumb conservative outrage. The guy is a lovely driver; he missed a very big sign saying "Mexico only." There's no evidence at all he did it intentionally. The only reason anyone here thinks he should get more than a slap on the wrist (maybe permanently barred from Mexico) is because he's for some reason become a martyr to crazy pro-gun conservatives (the same ones oddly silent about black men getting shot for trying to buy toy guns). Just because some douchebags hold someone in high regard does not automatically make it non-douchey to poo poo on that person.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:40
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This stuff exposes an amazing bit of double-speak. They simultaneously claim that the War on Poverty was a failure while complaining about poor people living high on the hog. The only way to square this circle is that they must be saying that poor people shouldn't even have these things, most of which are necessities, that they're making infographics about. It's also likely that nearly all of those "luxury items" they acquired were over a number of years, and so form a negligible percentage of their budget when spread out over the time period they were purchased in. People don't really understand the budgets of poor people because they're fundamentally different from the budgets of people who can make ends meet. Food/rent makes up a less significant portion of their budget so they assume that ratio is the same for all people instead of realizing that the food/rent for poor people is nearly their entire budget, and for a lot of people who are skipping meals due to not having enough money... more than 100% of their budget. The luxury items in question probably came from times when they got small sums of money from tax refunds, came with their apartment, or we're received for free from somewhere. The microwave one is especially mind-boggling. ErIog fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 04:41
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75% having a car reminded me of this: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=12242008
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Sep 16, 2014 04:49
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borkencode posted:Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days. No way. No loving way. A new $60k car every four years and $25k on vacations yearly and a million dollar house for a family of four, practically broke.  I lack words to describe how out of touch that video is with being broke.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:50
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Mo_Steel posted:No way. No loving way. A new $60k car every four years and $25k on vacations yearly and a million dollar house for a family of four, practically broke. Check your privilege. You have the privilege of not being rich enough to know what it's like to feel "nearly broke" after spending the $30,000 you're making every month. Walk a mile in those loafers, chief. They feel broke, and it's rude to discount their feelings. Everybody's feelings are important! Isn't that what being liberal is about?
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Sep 16, 2014 04:54
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400,000 is not a lot of money after you spend it all.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:56
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That green chart also leaves out he costs of food, education, and housing, a.k.a. the things that actually matter to upward mobility and which haven't gotten vastly cheaper in recent years, unlike a lot of high-tech toys (many of which are more like "essentials"). It shouldn't be shocking that a lot of poor people have cell phones because it's 2014 and not 1986, and even a smartphone can be pretty cheap if you don't insist on a bleeding edge model.
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Sep 16, 2014 04:57
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Guilty Spork posted:That green chart also leaves out he costs of food, education, and housing, a.k.a. the things that actually matter to upward mobility and which haven't gotten vastly cheaper in recent years, unlike a lot of high-tech toys (many of which are more like "essentials"). It shouldn't be shocking that a lot of poor people have cell phones because it's 2014 and not 1986, and even a smartphone can be pretty cheap if you don't insist on a bleeding edge model. It's also an especially good value if you don't already have a computer or access to the internet.
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Sep 16, 2014 05:06
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Look at how the new money spends from their principal 
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Sep 16, 2014 05:06
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ErIog posted:It's also an especially good value if you don't already have a computer or access to the internet. Plus if your living situation is volatile, and you might be homeless for periods of time, a phone you can take with you is key. Kinda hard to get employed if you dont have a contact number that you can reliably reach.
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Sep 16, 2014 05:11
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RagnarokAngel posted:Plus if your living situation is volatile, and you might be homeless for periods of time, a phone you can take with you is key. Kinda hard to get employed if you dont have a contact number that you can reliably reach. Kinda hard to stay employed when your schedule isn't ever known more than a day in advance and you don't have a contact number that you can reliably reach.
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Sep 16, 2014 05:13
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The source for stats in the green infographic is the Heritage Foundation, so those numbers are likely suspect on top of the general problems with the argument. I'd dig up and post a link to the report for folks to defenestrate, but I don't have the time atm.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:02
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If I had to make a list of the wisest investments a person in poverty could make I'd definitely include the following in my top 10: Car for each working family member Internet access, possibly free. Personal Computer, a cheap laptop is about $200-300 Smart Phone, cellphones lose a poo poo ton of value once they're a generation or two old. A television, Good luck finding one that's not a wide screen plasma or LCD, they run about $100 new, much less for a used Refrigerator Microwave, These two are usually included with any apartment. If not, goodwill has microwaves for ultra low prices. In any case, a lack of a microwave or refrigerator would make for a strong case to CPS to lose your kids. I don't know how much TIVO costs, I'm guessing cheap used. I've noticed they stop mentioning hot tubs. I guess that number's gone down quite a bit in the last ten years as they start to fall apart.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:19
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I also like how, in this digital age, where job searching often is web-based, where DSL is fast becoming the minimum to navigate the internet with ease, they take only 43% of people in poverty having internet access as some sort of outlandish luxury.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:22
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borkencode posted:Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:24
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ErIog posted:This stuff exposes an amazing bit of double-speak. They simultaneously claim that the War on Poverty was a failure while complaining about poor people living high on the hog. Poor people just spring up like weeds already mooching off of the system with their cell phones and washing machines while crying about how hard it is to make ends meet. Maybe if you didn't spend all of your money on that iPhone you'd have a house still! Completely ignoring that living situations can change and it's perfectly feasible that you could go from lower middle class to just barely floating above homelessness.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:25
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In any case, a lack of a microwave or refrigerator would make for a strong case to CPS to lose your kids. If CPS is taking your kids, it means you could afford the luxury of not selling one or two of those kids into slavery to feed the rest, so are you really poor?
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Sep 16, 2014 06:29
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borkencode posted:Half of poor households have access to a 13 year old videogame console you can get for $5 from goodwill? Lucky Ducks! http://www.torontolife.com/informer/features/2012/02/15/almost-rich/ quote:However, the threshold for the top one per cent of income earners is much lower than you’d expect: $196,000, in the latest Statistics Canada numbers. That’s no small amount of money, but hardly the means for a life of leisure. In an increasingly pricy city like Toronto, where we pay a premium for everything from milk to car insurance, $196,000 can seem positively middle-class. quote:Monthly expenses 
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Sep 16, 2014 06:54
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$400 a month on $11 bottles of wine. They drink a bottle of wine every day.
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Sep 16, 2014 06:59
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I literally can't comprehend what I would do with 36000 dollars a month.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:04
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Mr E posted:I literally can't comprehend what I would do with 36000 dollars a month. I'd probably end up sitting on a lot of it because I can't even think of all the things I'd buy. Like there's so many options.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:07
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GAYMIEN SANDOW posted:$400 a month on $11 bottles of wine. They drink a bottle of wine every day. Anything to keep the ennui at bay.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:10
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Mr E posted:I literally can't comprehend what I would do with 36000 dollars a month. Pay off bills, get the windows tinted, upgrade appliances, grocery shopping, go see movies, buy some books. And then afterwards we'd still probably have 32,000 dollars left.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:14
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Mr E posted:I literally can't comprehend what I would do with 36000 dollars a month. Wine. All the wine.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:15
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Personally though, most of that would go to philanthropy because I can live off beans and corn tortillas. Know a lot of people and places that could use a hand.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:21
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GAYMIEN SANDOW posted:$400 a month on $11 bottles of wine. They drink a bottle of wine every day. Being functioning alcoholics may explain their poor judgment and money management skills.
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Sep 16, 2014 07:27
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Mr E posted:I literally can't comprehend what I would do with 36000 dollars a month. I live in a house of 6 people and all together we probably make about 1/8th of that.
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Sep 16, 2014 08:34
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borkencode posted:Of course not everyone can live so high on the hog these days. hahaha I said "gently caress you" to basically every single item in this video. I make okay money now but there were multiple expense items on that stupid list that were more than I made in a whole year at times in the past. I cannot wait until the rich are all guillotined. However, speaking of doing okay, I remember with great clarity the first time I ordered a microwave on Amazon for $50... I knew I had finally arrived on the scene. I felt like a billionaire, finally able to make cup noodles for dinner, instead of just for lunch in the work kitchen. e: I am a literal alcoholic and do not spend $400 a month on booze.
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You're not an alcoholic, you're a drunk. Only rich people can medicalise substance abuse.
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