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Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger
Maybe the story of the Dog in the Manger?

It's not a perfect fit, since it's about people denying others what they have no use for out of spite but it's that same idea of "you getting this won't hurt me, but I still don't want you to have it."

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RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
I don't know if it has a name but numerous psychological studies have shown that given the choice between recieving $50k a year (But your neighbors all make 20k) and making $100k a year (But your neighbors all also make 100) people would rather take the former. So even if it doesn't have a name it's A Thing.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich
Anyway, lets continue



And talking about locking up people who do things they don't like is their idea of freedom.



Cruz has the courage to insult people to their faces, instead of just hiding behind the internet.



quote:

Planned Parenthood murdered 327,653 babies in 2014, using $528.4 million taken forcibly from you by your own government. That’s an average of $1,612 for each murder.

What’s interesting is that in 2012 PP did 333,964 abortions, offered prenatal services to 5,398 women and adoption referrals for only 841 women. Abortions were obviously the main thing they did. It was estimated then that abortion comprised 97% of their “services”. But PP wanted to pretend they were more than just baby murderers.

So, like magic, last year, they started counting their “services” differently. Suddenly they claimed they did 378,692 pap tests, provided 1,440,495 emergency contraception kits, 4,470,597 STD tests, and an amazing 487,000 “breast exams” when not one single PP affiliate would actually admit that they did mammograms. Abortion is now “only 3%” of the services they offer, they claim. Yet they didn’t expand from 2012 to 2014, in fact they have fewer clinics. So how were they able to pull this off?

Simple.

327,653 women went to Planned Parenthood for abortions. All they’d need to do is make a half-dozen or so medical and STD tests a routine addition to each and every abortion, and the number of “services” multiplies like magic. Then when the women leave, give them several “emergency contraception kits” and some birth control pills (counting each individual pill as a separate “service”) and the numbers keep adding up. And the breast exams, easily done, also as part of the abortion. A mammogram and a breast exam are not the same thing. If a doctor feels a woman’s breast, that’s a breast exam, in fact the way PP does their math, it’s most likely two breast exams*.

To get the abortion percentage down to 3% all they needed to do is add around 33 additional “services” to each abortion they provide. A smattering of tests, some kits and a packet of birth control pills would easily reverse the percentage and allow any idiot, Liberal “journalist” to regurgitate their lies.

Look at it this way. Let’s say a store is accused of being a porn shop, but they claim that pornography is only a small percentage of their business. The way they get around this is to add a pack of matches to each purchase of porn. Each individual match is an item, so one porn video plus 20 matches makes porn less than 5% of the items in that transaction. Therefore they claim porn is less than 5% of their business, when it’s actually 100% of their business. (NOTE: If we’ve offended any low-life, smut peddlers by comparing them to Planned Parenthood, we sincerely apologize)

*Yes, at 487,000 “breast exams” that’s not twice 327,653. We must assume not every woman getting an abortion wanted the abortionist to grab the second breast.

Its worth noting I did not leave out any links or any studies at the end, and they're promoting this as exclusive investigation. They seriously think this is them cracking it.



Slaughtering Muslims, however, is apparently fine.



Neither content nor qualified.



quote:

Just two years after Obamacare’s implementation, a Louisiana nonprofit insurer that received nearly $66 million in taxpayer-funded loans is closing its doors.

On Friday, the Louisiana Department of Insurance announced that the state’s consumer operated and oriented plan, or co-op, would be discontinuing its operations at the end of 2015. Louisiana’s is the second co-op created under to Obamacare to close.

According to the Department of Insurance, the Louisiana Health Cooperative will not be offering plans to consumers next year, but it will continue its coverage of the 17,000 Louisiana consumers currently receiving health insurance through the co-op.

Many of those consumers purchased their plans with the Louisiana Health Cooperative on the federal exchange, HealthCare.gov.

“It is a difficult time for health insurers of every size,” Louisiana Insurance Commissioner Jim Donelon said in a statement. “The onerous burdens of Obamacare have shocked health insurance markets and caused instability in pricing and predictability, and as a result, we’ve seen premiums spike upward

And there's no chance this could have anything to do with governor sabotage of the operations. Perish the thought.



"How DARE someone accuse us of being like terrorists? Now back to saying all Muslims are trying to kill me"



Whereas treating welfare recipients like criminals, thats all about trust.



quote:

The long-simmering disconnect between the Republican Party’s conservative base and its leaders in government has degenerated into a full-blown schism.

While President Obama accelerates his increasingly radical agenda, the GOP, despite its congressional majority, can barely muster an objection, let alone block his momentum.

Other than to offer a toothless public rebuke of Obama’s destructive schemes, what was the point of the 2014 GOP congressional landslide? It’s no longer just a small percentage of conservatives questioning the GOP. Our people are furious — and rightly so.

Let the elites look down their superior noses at us commoners. Be advised, though, that Trump is not the only one railing against the pervasive insanity, including the role that the GOP leadership is playing in it. Sen. Ted Cruz has set his sights on the “Washington cartel” — the quasi bipartisan ruling class that is presiding over the disgraceful dismantling of the United States as we know and love it. Candidate Carly Fiorina is also speaking eloquently about bringing “outside-the-box” changes to Washington to make a real difference, as opposed to merely slowing down the devastating Obama juggernaut.

And the infighting continues. Its gratifying to see it happen to people who deserve it.



How DARE that n***er insult US!



Last fleeting attempt to try and say that the Lafayette shooter was totally a Democrat, for reals.



And Israel and its criticism of our foreign policy is top of that list, right?


quote:

The debate over the revelation of the referral to the Justice Department of Hillary Clinton’s email activities as Secretary of State missed several important points, particularly the preferential treatment she has been given so far.

Any other federal employee found to have discussed high-level, sensitive government business in her personal emails, including possibly classified materials, would not have been treated with such kid gloves.

After this referral hit the news on Friday, a dispute erupted over whether the request by the inspector general of the intelligence community to open an investigation of Clinton’s handling of information classified as “secret” was a “criminal” referral or not. At first, a Department of Justice official said the “investigation was criminal in nature,” according to the Wall Street Journal, but the department “reversed course hours later without explanation.”

As the former head of the National Security Division of the Justice Department, Lisa O. Monaco, who is now an assistant to the president for counterterrorism, explained in testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in 2012 (before the public knew about Clinton’s personal server) that the intelligence community must report the unauthorized disclosure of classified materials to DOJ.

They really do want this to be a scandal so badly.



They really can't see any difference in the attitude towards women at all.



Because they believe insane things like claiming the US is being attacked at home by Islamists.



What the gently caress does that mean? On any level?



quote:

A new video released by the Center for Medical Progress digs deeper into what appears to be a wide-ranging fetal organ trafficking scheme overseen by Planned Parenthood. At the beginning of the video, an ex-employee of StemExpress confessed that the company helps Planned Parenthood harvest and sell body parts ripped from aborted babies.

“I thought I was going to be just drawing blood,” Holly O’Donnell, a former StemExpress technician, told the Center for Medical Progress. “Not procuring tissue from aborted fetuses.”

“We were asked to procure certain tissues like brain, livers, thymus, pancreas, heart, lungs, and pretty much anything on the fetus. It’s basically a huge trafficking of fetal tissues,” she explained. “StemExpress is a company that hires procurement techs to draw blood and dissect dead fetuses and sell the parts to researchers.”

O’Donnell discussed in great detail the process by which StemExpress and Planned Parenthood work to harvest the most valuable organs and parts from aborted babies. On her first day, O’Donnell witnessed her colleagues placing cut up baby parts in “pie dishes” and passing them around for review.

Oh my god, a medical procedure. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!



....meaning that you think that justifies pushing them on other people?



Why would you ever try to make anyone mad at you less mad at you? If you anger someone, you need to kill them - thats how Christianity works.



Like, for instance, Wisconsin.


quote:

The assembly at Brandon High School in May 2014 began with a prayer led by local Methodist pastor Rev. Rob Gill. Although not mandatory, the assembly honored the district’s students who scored higher than a 22 on their ACT college tests. One student objected, and sued the school.

U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves said it defied his prior order barring prayers school events. Reeves fined the school $7,500 and awarded the student $2,500. Reeves also ordered the district to pay the student’s legal fees, an amount that will be determined at a later date, and threatened a $10,000 fine for any future infractions of the order.

Attorneys for the school district have argued that Gill’s prayer did not violate the 2013 orders or the student’s First Amendment rights because attendance at the assembly was optional. Reeves, however, believes the district has been trying to indoctrinate students with Christianity.

In a statement issued by an attorney, Rankin County Superintendent Lynn Weathersby said that despite the court’s ruling, students and teachers will continue to pray.

At $10,000 a pop, I'm sure the atheists are fine if you continue it.



\This appears to be their counter. "Yeah, well, other things are edited and you don't complain. So its okay to edit to remove all context"



Instead of has been joke, we say Chuck Norris.



Solve your sexist attacks on women with mansplaining. That will solve it.



quote:

In a move unprecedented in the history of the House of Representatives, a Republican lawmaker filed a motion Tuesday to remove House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, from his post, in another sign of dissatisfaction with Boehner’s leadership by a number of House conservatives.

Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., filed the resolution — a “motion to vacate the chair” — late Tuesday, claiming that he “has endeavored to consolidate power and centralize decision-making, bypassing the majority of the 435 Members of Congress and the people they represent.”

The proposal was referred to a committee stocked with leadership loyalists, and therefore unlikely to emerge.

The motion says that Boehner has caused the power of Congress to atrophy, “thereby making Congress subservient to the Executive and Judicial branches, diminishing the voice of the American People.”

I'm laying even odds that lawmaker was Boehner, trying desperately to get out of that job.



'..when he HIMSELF is made of Carbon.'



Yeah, that must be why each and every piece polls wayy higher than the bills unofficial name.


quote:

The latest video released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) shows a Planned Parenthood technician sorting through “tissue” collected after a first trimester abortion. As LifeNews previously reported, this is CMP’s third undercover video showing the abortion company negotiating the sale of aborted babies’ body parts with actors posing as buyers from a human biologics company.

The footage features Dr. Savita Ginde, who is the medical director of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains (PPRM). Currently, PPRM is one of the largest and wealthiest Planned Parenthood affiliates and operates abortion facilities in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, and Nevada. Dr. Ginde tells the actors that she wants to charge per “tissue sample” because that will bring in the most money. She said, “I think the per-item [pricing] works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”

However, now the abortion giant is trying to stop news stations from airing the recent footage because it supposedly violates patient privacy. In a letter to TV stations in Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota, they attacked CMP by calling them an “extreme activist organization whose sole mission is to prevent women from accessing health care and to destroy Planned Parenthood.”
Unfortunately, for Planned Parenthood, editing only goes so far and CMP released the full, unedited videos with their clips. The truth is Planned Parenthood doesn’t want the truth to come out about their abortion business and will do whatever they have to in order to stop it.

Here’s a portion of their threatening letter:

When your network decides whether to consider this story newsworthy, or whether to use any of this footage at all, we urge you to keep this in mind: The extremists who entered Planned Parenthood labs under false pretenses violated research protocol, and, worse, violated the privacy of patients involved. Those patients’ privacy should not be further violated by having this footage shared by the media.

The storage and examination processes that CMP used to get this footage are medically necessary. It is necessary medical professionals ensure an abortion is complete so that patients do not get an infection. When tissue is donated for medical research, these steps are also necessary for the donations to be completed. It is also medically necessary that researchers evaluate the laboratory procedures of a medical provider for safety standards and best practices.

Some of the conversations and protocols that occur in medical settings and among professional peers can sound jarring when taken out of context. While this can be difficult to hear or watch, it should not be used as an excuse to defund Planned Parenthood.

CMP gained access to Planned Parenthood facilities under false pretenses and filmed without securing approval from the Planned Parenthood staff being filmed or the patients whose privacy is compromised by this secret videotaping. The material should not be aired.

Apparently, that letter counts as "threatening".



That the people who hate them the most are usually the people with the least clue?



Its amazing how the founder was powerful enough to keep people to her views decades after her death.



And where exactly did you lead it again?



quote:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) pledged Tuesday to hold a vote to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, using a budget resolution that could be passed in the Senate with a simple majority vote of 51 to 49, according to a statement released Tuesday.

“Earlier this year, Senate Republicans passed a balanced budget, and with it the necessary procedural tools – via the budget reconciliation process – to bring an end to the nightmare of Obamacare,” McConnell said in the joint statement with Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah).

“Americans have faced skyrocketing health care costs, rampant fraud and more government between them and their doctors. And Republicans are united in working to repeal the broken promises of Obamacare and allow our country to start over fresh with real health reform that Americans deserve,” he added.

“We will continue our effort to use reconciliation – as the budget makes clear – to fulfill the promise we made to our constituents,” McConnell pledged.

59th times the charm!



Notice how she's actually correct.



Except for, you know, the unions in Russia who were crushed.



Because we also have a separation of Church and State.



quote:

CONCORD, N.H. – Protests against Planned Parenthood took place nationwide today in light of three undercover videos released by the Center for Medical Progress showing senior Planned Parenthood executives discussing the sale of fetal organs.

The third video, released today, shows Planned Parenthood staffers dissecting the remains of an aborted fetus and discussing the sale of its organs.

Planned Parenthood has denied that its affiliates profit from their “tissue donation” program and has condemned the Center for Medical Progress for using “heavily edited” videos to take Planned Parenthood staffers’ words out of context.

The Center for Medical Progress has also released several videos of its full meetings with the executives.

Students for Life of America organized “Women Betrayed” rallies nationwide to protest taxpayer funding for the nation’s largest abortion provider.

Oh no, planned parenthood will be protested. Unlike every single other time they were protested, THIS time it must scare them.



And you can guess who got their marching orders around this time.



I love that they think "Chicago lawyer" is just as scary as Iran and Communist.



Remember when they thought they had a chance at outreach?



quote:

Lawmakers across the country are calling on Congress to defund Planned Parenthood after undercover videos surfaced showing their top executives negotiating the sale of fetal body parts collected from abortions. Ultimately, the videos highlight the abortion giant’s disregard for human life and their dedication to their bottom line, which is to make more money.

In a new Fox News report, contributors Shannon Bream and Jacqueline Pham help Americans understand how families are forced to help Planned Parenthood’s abortion business through their tax dollars. In fact, the news network created a “Taxpayer Calculator” so that people can find out exactly how much their family gives to Planned Parenthood each year based on their household income.

Here’s more:

Over the last 10 years, Planned Parenthood has gotten more than $4 billion in state and federal government aid. Any bid to defund the organization may face long odds.

But how much is it costing you?

Here’s a sample: Individuals making between $50,000 and $100,000 paid just $15.51 toward Planned Parenthood. However, those making more than that paid considerably more. Individuals making above $250,000 have paid, on average, roughly $420 toward the organization.

As LifeNews previously reported, the initial undercover video was seen by over two million people and since then nearly every Republican candidate for President has urged Congress to defund Planned Parenthood. However, top Democrats in our country have said little about the group’s actions and the President actually thanked them for helping him implement Obamacare

Oh no, what will people earning $100,000 do without their $15?



Conservatives, meanwhile, support substandard quality, both in their taxis services and their fact checking.



Maybe we can encourage conservatives to go with them.



Remember all those capitalist countries that succeeded in spite of embargoes?



quote:

Abolishing state-recognized marriage would actually separate family members in the eyes of the law. Getting rid of state recognition of marriage is also key to “removing the veil of privacy” that protects spouses and the family, according to Fineman, who has argued for doing just that in her book, “The Autonomy Myth.”

Libertarians have a lot more discernment to exercise before totally signing on to the idea that ending state recognition of marriage actually keeps the government at bay. Kuznicki’s article and Dalmia’s recent essay are all-too-rare examples of libertarian writing that considers the potential pitfalls of that idea.

So, I’d like to offer some questions to ponder.

1. How does lack of state recognition of marriage—replaced by a system of domestic partner contracts—actually shrink government involvement? Trading in the simple marriage license for a system of contracts seems akin to trading in a simple flat tax for today’s Internal Revenue Service tax code.

2. How would you deal with possible legislation to license all parents, including biological parents, once the state no longer recognizes any union, including that of biological parents, as marriage? As stated above, the loss of state recognition of their union as anything more than an ordinary contract will deprive biological parents of the presumption of custody.

3. How does privatizing marriage preserve spousal immunity? At present, the government cannot force you to testify against your spouse. That is currently the law in all 50 states. But once the state no longer recognizes you and your spouse as a family unit—only as partners in an ordinary business-style contract—the case for spousal immunity significantly weakens.

4. What do you make of the fact that Sunstein, the Obama administration’s regulator-in-chief from 2009 to 2012, argues for essentially the same plan? Sunstein is a long-time advocate of policies that grow government. He’s a big fan of nanny-state style “nudging” intended to modify everyone’s behavior.

5. How would abolishing state-recognized marriage promote freedom of association for all? The family serves as a buffer zone, or mediating institution, between the individual and the state. But logically, if the government does not have to recognize your marriage, it does not have to respect it. It does not have to recognize your family relationships at all, or your family as a unit. You are merely a separate party in an ordinary contract with someone else, as far as the state is concerned. Please explain how abolishing state-recognized marriage protects the family and helps insulate individuals from an increasingly Leviathan state.
And I think thats probably the place to stop the crazy train for now.

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

"My compassion for you is based on you uncritically accepting and supporting one of our political allies (that isn't exactly innocent). Why are you booing me?!?!?!"


Those LIEbruls calling things what they actually are instead of using OUR loaded words! :bahgawd:


"Now let me tell you about my latest scheme to sabotage Obamacare... I wonder why it's not doing so well?"


Okay... So I'm imagining a deceptively edited and flagrantly misrepresented video about baby lions produced by a decidedly untrustworthy anti-lion group?


Yeah, I mean look at the failed socialist policies of, you know, practically all of Western Europe.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

RagnarokAngel posted:

I don't know if it has a name but numerous psychological studies have shown that given the choice between recieving $50k a year (But your neighbors all make 20k) and making $100k a year (But your neighbors all also make 100) people would rather take the former. So even if it doesn't have a name it's A Thing.

I think that's called cost of living.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

computer parts posted:

I think that's called cost of living.

Cost of living is how much it costs to live in a certain area so no?

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Its kind of hilarious how their pro Walker pictures can't succeed in making him look Presidential at all or even just dignified in any way.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

https://twitter.com/CauseWereGuys/status/626437328416976896/photo/1

This piece of garbage popped up on my feed again.

I'm getting the sense though, that it's falling on deaf ears to a lot of people.

-"THESE ARE JOBS FOR HIGH SCHOOLERS"

Not anymore.

-"THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WORK TWO JOBS. THESE PEOPLE MADE BAD LIFE CHOICES, SO LET'S PUNISH THEM"

Yeah...uh. Okay.

Seriously, why are people this far up their rear end with this concept?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
The person on the left and the people on the right are both being exploited. The people on the Right are organizing and fighting against it.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

RagnarokAngel posted:

I don't know if it has a name but numerous psychological studies have shown that given the choice between recieving $50k a year (But your neighbors all make 20k) and making $100k a year (But your neighbors all also make 100) people would rather take the former. So even if it doesn't have a name it's A Thing.
Last place aversion, maybe?

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

The person on the left and the people on the right are both being exploited. The people on the Right are organizing and fighting against it.

You know even being raised in a conservative household? I was always raised to never have this attitude. This type of poo poo I'm seeing from people that think they're above working these types of jobs or treating people that work them without some sort of self respect/dignity makes me sick.

You know what? They're WORKING! Isn't that what you guys always preach? Don't you guys always hate those that are lazy and don't do anything but collect welfare checks? Why is this a bad thing? Why is this frowned upon?

You're also not better than these people. Stop it.

But we know what this is ACTUALLY about. It's not about respecting the lower or working class, but rather loving them over.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
At my previous job, we had closed a location and opened a new one as a replacement. After closing, housekeeping stopped maintaining the old building.

Part of my job was to pull out equipment that was still valuable prior to demolition.

The bathrooms got so gross so quickly it was actually amazing. Trash, soap residue, bits of soggy toilet paper everywhere.

I think that anyone who complains about housekeeping/janitors should get to spend an hour of their day doing that "easy unskilled work" every day until they appreciate how nice housekeepers make our lives.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
Janitors save more lives than doctors.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Cut out two more FB friends, both men who will not shut the gently caress up about millions of babies being murdered by our tax dollars. "BUT ONE LION DIES AND EVERYONE LOSES THEIR MINDS." I should have asked them if they use condoms because technically they're murdering potentially a million lives too. And let's not forget jerking it or oral sex!

The best part is that one of the guys is going through a midlife crisis and is whining about how things are so hard for him, a straight white man who just can't understand why so many women are merciless killers. How could any woman do that to her child and the man she loves? I have seen a LOT of billboards lately with some happy man cradling a baby and Right to Life poo poo all over it, proclaiming that A Father's Love and Joy is Priceless. Maybe the billboard provider has refused to use bloody fake baby props on their sign so that is the next best thing for them?

I wish, goddamn do I wish PP could be just as unethical as these tape-forger fuckers and release the medical history of every protester who's come to their clinic or another abortion provider. Oh no, Ms Sally Jenkins has had two abortions! Slut needs to keep her legs closed! Maybe that's why she's protesting every weekend, to keep herself off her back and from murdering a third baby! I know the Moral Abortion poo poo but goddamn sometimes I want to sink down to their level and give them that moment of shock and horror when all their fellow sign-holders see how many times they've used Plan B.

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
After three or four images all of the Liberal Logic stuff blurs together into some hellish hatescape. It's like deep dream but all it recognizes is your least favorite uncle's lovely opinions.

Bast Relief
Feb 21, 2006

by exmarx

PUGGERNAUT posted:

After three or four images all of the Liberal Logic stuff blurs together into some hellish hatescape. It's like deep dream but all it recognizes is your least favorite uncle's lovely opinions.

I think you're on to how these things are generated.

Fulchrum
Apr 16, 2013

by R. Guyovich
I think you may be right. These things are actually coming out faster.


\But I will press on anyway. Not because it is right, not because it pays well, but because I have nothing better to do!



Grumpy Cat - noted for making rational reactions.



I'm pretty sure there were some 3/5ths of a people who would question if the economy allowed everyone to rise.



quote:

Republican lawmakers took a first step Monday toward trying to fundamentally change the way unions operate, introducing legislation that would restrict how they spend campaign money — and could keep cash away from Democratic candidates in 2016.

Their complaint: Unions are taking advantage of dues-paying members and sending their money to Democratic candidates whether members like it or not.

The Employee Rights Act, introduced Monday by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah., and Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., would allow union members to tell their bosses they don’t want their share of dues going to certain candidates or causes, without fear of retaliation.

It also would seek to stop intimidation tactics by requiring secret ballots for employee elections regarding issues like unionizing or striking.

Any bid to restrict union political donations could have a big impact on Democrats, who get the lion’s share of union campaign money. According to the Center for Union Facts, unions in 2012 contributed nearly $90 million to Democratic Party and aligned organizations.

Naked partisan attacks by crippling unions? Is it an election time again?



"And managed to burn the state to the ground despite their objections"



quote:

“Life is fair!” said nobody, ever. Why? Because anyone who is naïve enough to think that the world conforms to their seemingly innate sense of fairness is too young to articulate such a complex notion.

I’m sure one of your parents broke the news to you that the opposite is true, perhaps after your sister got to spend the night at a friend’s house and you had to stay home, or your brother got just a little bit bigger slice of cake than you did.

Clearly, presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has taken this to heart, making unfairness, particularly the economic sort, the center of his campaign. In his speech on July 18 in Phoenix, he spoke at length about the “grotesque level of income and wealth inequality” in America, asserting that the wealth of the bottom 99 percent barely outweigh the immense wealth of the top 1 percent.

But redistribution isn’t the real goal, only a means to an end—and that end isn’t bringing the poor into the middle class. That end is equality. You see, if you look across the globe at the countries that have been managed under socialism and communism, the real result is that nobody gets what they want. If we cannot all be rich, then we must all be poor.

Because it would be impossible for America to provide a standard of living to everyone.



Someone in the Politoons thread asked how many people were in on the "PP is Baby Killers, also who cares about Lions" thing? Well, here's your answer for LL 101.



And Marco Rubio.

And thats this very small part

Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Aug 2, 2015

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Man, I feel like I have a weird bubble of Christian friends. Not a single one of them cares about abortions and they all called that video out on its editing bullshit right away.

I may need to move further south for that sweet sweet hate fuel. Keep doing what you're doing Fulchrum :buddy:

toanoradian
May 31, 2011


The happiest waffligator

Will it be a sad day when internet cattes started making the laws for us puny humans?

Guilty Spork
Feb 26, 2011

Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.
Maybe, or maybe not! It's almost like "laws" aren't inherently good or bad!

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Guilty Spork posted:

Maybe, or maybe not! It's almost like "laws" aren't inherently good or bad!

The right wing view is that passing laws doesn't fix anything, ever, and that government is always bad. Granted this is also the party that likes to actively sabotage everything the government does. They'll set new laws up for failure or refuse to fund the enforcement of them then go "see? Laws suck!"

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I remember reading quite a good book about how governments suck and all laws should be abolished and replaced by individual contracts.

The author included property laws within this :anarchists:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
It's a great counterpoint that Republicans tried to pass a law to have states to abide by Federal regulations with regards to immigrants during that whole "sanctuary city" deal

Or when they want to outlaw abortions

Certainly if laws were meaningless they wouldn't need either

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.



Why do ancaps have such a hard on for contracts anyways?

I guess at first glance it is a reasonable idea, but as soon as you think about it for two seconds and realize all the ways that someone can be forced to join one that literally ducks them it falls apart.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger
Beyond even that, who's going to enforce the contracts?

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe


Heh, working class scum. :smug:

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

I just find it confusing that their first reaction to this is to always just to attempt to funnel rage towards their pet cause.

How loving long have we had this abortion debate? I really doubt there's that many people who are going "ZOMG? I HAD NO IDEA THAT HAPPENS! THAT'S WRONG".

I would imagine though, that this is something more recent and obviously an issue that less people are divided on.

Actually you know what? Take that back. Judging by how quickly they want to side step the issue, I bet money they're all pro-lion killing.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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OxySnake posted:

Why do ancaps have such a hard on for contracts anyways?

I guess at first glance it is a reasonable idea, but as soon as you think about it for two seconds and realize all the ways that someone can be forced to join one that literally ducks them it falls apart.
It's not restricted to ancaps, my example of Kropotkin proposing that laws be replaced by free agreement was more to illustrate that he wanted to eliminate property laws as well as abolishing the state, which is at least more internally consistent than that image macro. (I assume that the right wing would not want to abolish private property).

Ancaps like contracts because businesses do them and businesses are the best things ever.
Also because they steal a lot of ideas from actual anarchists but then decide to throw in wealth accumulation and capital gains into that, ruining the whole thing.

Keeshhound posted:

Beyond even that, who's going to enforce the contracts?
I assume the commune in Kropotkin's case. Private justice companies which are totally not mafias in the ancaps' case.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

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Keeshhound posted:

Beyond even that, who's going to enforce the contracts?

Private Contract Enforcement / Dispute Resolution firms.

So you ride these turtles down a few layers and realize that unless you're signed up with "The Hitler of Enforcement Firms", you're just waiting to get hosed.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

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Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Private Contract Enforcement / Dispute Resolution firms.

So you ride these turtles down a few layers and realize that unless you're signed up with "The Hitler of Enforcement Firms", you're just waiting to get hosed.

While it'd make for poo poo real life, I'll admit that I would go to watch a movie about two rival contract enforcement gangs having a turf war in a city in the year 2047. It starts with some tense standoffs as the two are barely keeping open peace, then the leader of our protagonist's company is found dead and strung up. :rip: Open conflict erupts as the protagonist "resolves this dispute... for good." :black101: As he brings the other company to their knees and has the leader in his sights, he's stabbed in the back by his trusted childhood friend! :ohdear: Turns out the childhood friend framed the other company so that he could take over the whole city for himself, and now our protagonist has to stop him.

Cast Leonardo DiCaprio as the betraying friend and you've got some gold. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to run off to Hollywood with my script for Atlas Shrugged 4.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

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Keeshhound posted:

Beyond even that, who's going to enforce the contracts?

The market, obviously. If you turn out to be a poo poo bag who doesn't keep your end of contracts nobody is going to sign contracts with you. QED. Let's just totally ignore that scam artists tend to be really sneaky and that perfect access to information doesn't exist. Or that ratings agencies could be corrupted/bribed/just plain lie.

Mo_Steel posted:



Heh, working class scum. :smug:

Yeah hey what possible reason could poor people slinging hash for a living have to vote for something other than the party of "go work for starvation wages and starve slowly or starve to death quickly in the gutter, pleb."

Spalec
Apr 16, 2010
Even IF Planned Parenthood were selling aborted fetal tissues to research organisations, who cares? Those abortions would have happened regardless and the tissues would just go into an incinerator, why not use them to possibly do some good and cure horrible, crippling diseases?

Oh right, they don't care about the people once they're born.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Mo_Steel posted:



Heh, working class scum. :smug:

Minimum wage workers are more likely to vote for the party that, at the minimum, pays lip service to keeping the social safety net intact, because it is in their best interests to do so.

A good macro.

Capt. Sticl
Jul 24, 2002

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'Doze the homes
Block the sea
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I'll plunder all the Promised Land!

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

FuzzySkinner posted:

I just find it confusing that their first reaction to this is to always just to attempt to funnel rage towards their pet cause.

I wish it were restricted to the right-wing, but I've heard a lot of liberals saying "You guys care so much about a lion, but BLACK LIVES MATTER! Why don't you care about the black teenagers shot by the police?" And... I do? I can care about more than one thing at a time? And it's not like the reactions are equal- this "Cecil the Lion" thing will blow over, and I doubt much will come of it, while people are still protesting the shootings.

sexy fucking muskrat
Aug 22, 2010

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Except Bergdahl has been charged with desertion?

Oh right, I forgot, reality has a liberal bias.

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Nov 5, 2003

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Mr Jaunts posted:

Except Bergdahl has been charged with desertion?

Oh right, I forgot, reality has a liberal bias.

They want to go back to the days where deserters were just shot to death by a firing squad.

Rocko Bonaparte
Mar 12, 2002

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Mr Jaunts posted:

Except Bergdahl has been charged with desertion?

Oh right, I forgot, reality has a liberal bias.

Especially true since they're not charging Timothy White in the first place.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

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Jurgan posted:

I wish it were restricted to the right-wing, but I've heard a lot of liberals saying "You guys care so much about a lion, but BLACK LIVES MATTER! Why don't you care about the black teenagers shot by the police?" And... I do? I can care about more than one thing at a time? And it's not like the reactions are equal- this "Cecil the Lion" thing will blow over, and I doubt much will come of it, while people are still protesting the shootings.
It does grate a bit when the press are treating African animals like people and African people like animals on the same drat page though.


Or calling for the hunter to be extradited into the care of known terrible person Robert Mugabe while not simultaneously calling for Mugabe to face charges in the ICC.

(Or not even listening to the African countries that have legalized and regulated hunting in such a manner that they can use the profits to prevent poaching and increase the number of lions, giraffes, elephants, etc. with enough left over to fund agricultural programs.)

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

My cousin knows that guy and he says that they haven't informed him of any charges being put against him.

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