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Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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This is an original from my dad after I responded to a forward he sent me with one sentence that suggested that Fox News might have a slight bias much like the "state run media" he was villifying.

Dad posted:

Scott,

This isn’t about Republican or Democrat. My government, your government is being highjacked by a group that has infiltrated the Democratic party over many, many years and is finally now in power. This isn’t something that just happened. There are bad people on both sides but ask yourself this: Would you be upset if Right-Wing militia and other far right organizations (say, Timothy McVay) were shaping the nation with their views and trampling on a Constitution that has created the absolute best (not perfect) country on the globe?

Well, that is what is going on, right now, with your country. Have your heard of Bill Ayers, The Weatherman Underground, The Black Panthers….etc. This President is surrounding himself with these kind unelected, un-vetted folks and those left in the Congress that are not part of this coalition of thieves, Communists, and criminals are afraid to question (or read) any legislation before voting on it. You have to ask yourself: Does it matter to you that your elected officials-the ones that are supposed to working for you (not the other way around), are passing legislation that has, or shortly will, drain the Treasury. Furthermore, organizations outside the government and socialist by nature are contributing to the writing of these bills. No one voted for that!!

Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Lavin and others have frequently criticized the Bush 1 and Bush 2 administrations during the time those administrations were in power and at the same time the opposition would hang the president in effigy and dress a manikin of him in a Nazi uniform. Glenn Beck has even called for George W. Bush’s impeachment at the time during his term. But none of this matters now. Whatever seeds have been sown in the past have now become adult and the country is spiraling to disaster. You need to go to GlennBeck.com and read the questions that he has asked this week and will continue to ask…interesting thing is…The White House isn’t giving any answers or denying any of the facts presented there. Nothing.

I have been a citizen of this country a lot longer than you have and have participated in the process a lot longer too and I tell you I have never seen such a blatant and arrogant systematic dismantling of our Constitution. You will not see anyone in the “State Run Media” dare to ask these question and research the facts that the White House doesn’t want to hear. That is why Fox Ratings are going up and up and up and the President has appointed yet another unqualified radical (Mark “Marxist” Lloyd) to be yet another of dozens of “Czars” with the goal of shutting down any opposition to this “Government Takeover”. I nor my parents nor my grandparents have ever seen this before.

Any way you want to spin it, the economy is getting worse. The fact that so many, including you, can’t find a job should help illustrate this. I got my first big job in a recession. Simple logic should dictate that you cannot spend your way out of a recession. Did you know that the majority of “Cash for Clunkers” money is going to Toyota, Honda and Huyundi dealers, not Ford, GM or Chrysler. More jobs lost.

But, it doesn’t do much good to pick points here and there. You will never see the big picture. You have to look at everything which is a monumental task for anyone. Thank god for organizations like Fox News and the hundreds of conservative radio programs to do this research for us. Obama and his thugs and their policies are losing popularity daily as more and more Americans come out of the slumber they have been lulled into by government in recent years. You can thank us later.

Love Dad

Love you too, crazy.

Pungent Mammy fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Aug 29, 2009

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Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Dad posted:




THE LAST SENTENCE IS THE MOST CHILLING
Letter from Former Procter & Gamble Exec


Lou Pritchett is one of corporate America 's true living legends- an
acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the worlds highest rated
speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the
foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does
business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as
"partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and
Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years,
made corporate history.


AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of
the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy
League education and you upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs
of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing
up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't
understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with
radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce
these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd
and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country
where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a
government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on
our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the
world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against
certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you
on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing
points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and
omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs,
Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of
view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not
feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

TRUE - CHECK: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp


This letter was sent to the NY Times but they never acknowledged it.

Big surprise. Since it hit the internet, however, it has had over 500,000 hits.

Keep it going..



All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. It's happening right now.

I like how the Snopes link is implied to mean "EVERYTHING IN THIS EMAIL IS TRUE."

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Oh my god my dad is insane. I'm actually scared now.

Dad posted:

Actually. The show the last two weeks have produced a lot of questions that no one is asking. He and his staff have been doing a lot of research and have presented things that no one else will. The fact that Fox News is growing and Growing and has exceeded all other networks combined tells me that America is wising up. I, for one, thank God for his passion. I also love Bill O’Reilly and Hannity because they aren’t afraid of the arrogance of these people that as I said before, are trying to hijack our constitution. I think Joe-the Plummer showed us all, way back when-When he produced the statement from Obama that he wanted to “redistribute the wealth”. Being an avid student of the 2nd world war and studying Hitler and also having “lived” through the “Cold War” I can clearly see what is going on. The parallels are striking. Oh, and now he is trying a first attempt at youth indoctrination. This is how he will propagate the ideology. This is not new to the world. Can you explain why several landmarks around the Rockefeller Center in NYC contain Socialist and Facaist symbology. (I can’t spell either). The symbols on Rockefeller Plaza buildings and grounds contain the “Hammer” and the “Sickle”. These have been in place for a very long time and have gone unnoticed by the NY population. I have a video to send you that is about 2 hours long but is a documentary on the “Bildeberger Group”

I have seen the clip of him talking to the caller. Bill O’Reilly has told him to settle down to make his case more believable and he has done so. The bottom line is this, Congress is going into the shitter. He was probably talking to someone like you although I suspect that person was so far gone there was no hope of debating her. I have to go to the airport now.

Dad

This is after I sent him a clip of Glenn Beck screaming at a caller. He's insane. I didn't want to believe it but he is.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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No way. I'm done with this. He has a history of depression and I don't want to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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quote:

Good Stuff - Especially Abe Lincoln's statement at the bottom.

Poverty in Our Cities.

City, State, % of People Below the Poverty Level

1. Detroit , MI
32.5%

2. Buffalo , NY
29.9%

3. Cincinnati , OH
27.8%

4. Cleveland , OH
27.0%

5. Miami , FL
26.9%

5. St. Louis , MO
26.8%

7. El Paso , TX
26.4%

8. Milwaukee , WI
26.2%

9. Philadelphia , PA
25.1%

10. Newark , NJ
24.2%

U.S. Census Bureau, 2006 American Community Survey, August 2007
What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

Detroit , MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo , NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1984;

Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1989;

Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;

St. Louis , MO (6th)....since 1949;

El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;

Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908;

Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952;

Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907.

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still
POOR

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
Abraham Lincoln

Also imagine this is all in 35 point font with each paragraph in a different color.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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RagnarokAngel posted:

Why is the USPS a failure because I'm pretty sure my mail always gets there...?

Because one time your Delta Farce DVD was delayed from eBay and everything's broke broke broke!

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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quote:

Subject: Happy Something?



*Twas the month before Christmas*

*When all through our land,*

*Not a Christian was praying*

*Nor taking a stand.*

*See the PC Police had taken away,*

*The reason for Christmas - no one could say.*

*The children were told by their schools not to sing,*

*About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.*

*It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say*

* December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.*

*Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit*

*Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!*

*CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod*

*Something was changing, something quite odd! *

*Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa*

*In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.*

*As Targets were hanging their trees upside down*

* At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.*

*At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears*

*You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.*

*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*

*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*

*Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen*

*On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton !*

*At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter*

*To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.*

*And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith*

* Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace*

*The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded*

*The reason for the season, stopped before it started.*

*So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'*

*Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.*

*Choose your words carefully, choose what you say*

*Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS ,

not Happy Holiday !*

Please, all Christians join together and

wish everyone you meet

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Christ is ?The Reason' for the Christ-mas Season!

If you agree please forward, if not, simply delete.

In the requisite Papyrus font and green and red color.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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muscles like this? posted:

I've never heard of a "dream tree" before. Is that something that really exists?

It might. And that's good enough for me.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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quote:

WW II Battleship sailor tells Obama to shape up or ship out !

This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes
all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body,
he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now.
He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president.

Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don't believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos'n Mate. Now I live in a "rest home" located on the western end of Pearl Harbor, allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do, but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can't figure out what country you are the president of.You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
" We're no longer a Christian nation"
" America is arrogant" - (Your wife even
announced to the world,"America is mean-
spirited. " Please tell her to try preaching
that nonsense to 23 generations of our
war dead buried all over the globe who
died for no other reason than to free a
whole lot of strangers from tyranny and
hopelessness.)
I'd say shame on the both of you, but I don't think you like America, nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do, for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.

After 9/11 you said," America hasn't lived up to her ideals."

Which ones did you mean? Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British? Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man, that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War? I hope you didn't mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers, husbands, and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII, because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around, because we stand for freedom.

I don't think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer, young man.

Shape up and start acting like an American. If you don't, I'll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue. You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don't want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts, who was putting up a fight? You don't mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don't want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are, terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life, but you're the Commander-in-Chief now, son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you're not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you're thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president. You're not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That's not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don't want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

When a 95 year old hero of the "the Greatest Generation"
stands up and speaks out like this, I think we owe it
to him to send his words to as many Americans as
we can. Please pass it on.
:patriot:

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Armyman25 posted:

It's a real letter.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/haroldestes.asp

Yes but it still has the same "say America isn't perfect = hate America" tones as the fake emails.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Muslims are not Americans.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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My dad just sent me this email with a link to a two and a half year old video:

quote:

Outrageous!

It's time for a house cleaning - I'm surprised this was aired.

STRAIGHT FROM C-SPAN

NOT TO BE BELIEVED! 1-1/2 minutes long and straight from C-Span - how a vote was passed. This is how the House will pass healthcare. Just watch this. This is our Democratic-Controlled House at work. It's their way all the way, ( the video is very short and very maddening ). If anyone wonders about our current Congress and especially the House of Representatives this youtube clip will open their eyes. Watch this, then cry. We are losing our nation and everything it stands for.

Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywgUCdefSW8

After watching this atrocity please pass it on to everyone. The entire Nation needs to see this one. This is just blatant corruption and criminal action at its best.

I sent him a short email saying:

quote:

Um, he [Murtha] just died on Monday, so... there you go?

And I got this as a reply:

quote:

Yes that’s true and good thing, sorry to have to say. But…there’s a bunch more if you look at some of the other clips.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Gripen5 posted:

I don't have sound at work. What is going on there? Some kind of voice vote?

He asks the ayes to stand and the nays to speak or something, and then some guy asks for a count of each and Murtha ignores him and says the ayes have it.

I don't know enough about Congressional procedure to know if this is really An Insult To Our Democracy, but with the dramatic title and it being from Eric Cantor's channel I'm inclined to be suspicious.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Toad on a Hat posted:

The Chair of the House makes the final interpretive decisions as to what constitutes a majority or minority vote. If you watch CSPAN, you're going to see something like this happen frequently, and usually the chair won't even bother counting. They'll say "In the opinion of the chair the ayes/nays have it" and then someone on the opposing side will ask for a recorded yeas/nays. Normally the chair grants this. However, in contentious votes or votes where the leadership really doesn't want to deal with the subject at hand, the Chair will pull a stunt like in that video. It's happened many times in our country and surprise! We still exist.

It's funny to call that video "An Insult to Our Democracy" when the Constitution of the United States gives the legislatures the power to set their own rules. These are rules that are agreed upon when each Congress enters session, and Murtha was simply interpreting parliamentary procedure and the rules of the House to benefit his side. It's not an insult; it's what's been done for 200 years.

Thanks a lot for clearing this up. I admit it ostensibly is anti-democratic, but that's the way they've operated since inception.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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I don't even...

quote:

FW: Once again, my prediction was accurate!

Nobody wanted to hear it last year, but here it comes!



Fox News reporting GAS PRICES will hit 7 dollars per gallon this summer. This is Obama’s new idea to pay for GREEN poo poo, since his cap and trade bullshit won’t pass muster!



This is one of those, go around congress with policy things he promised in his state of the union address.



Ask all your liberal friends how they like this Hope and Change?



Bend over and grab your ankles!

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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crime fighting hog posted:

How does Obama decide our gas prices again?

Green poo poo.

I'm just trying to figure out what was the accurate prediction.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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HipGnosis posted:

A semester of college and this guy has two houses? gently caress him.

I think he's saying that the only time in his life he wasn't working was for one semester in college, not that he only completed one semester of college.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Abandoned Toaster posted:

This was back in December though and The Dispatch website only has a 30-day archive for letters and 7 for Op-ed pieces. :(

Come to think of it, most of the Letters to the Editor in The Dispatch are pretty loving terrible. Maybe we should have a Crazy Editorial thread.

Yes, yes they are.

Do you remember if this was a Sunday edition of the Dispatch? If so I may have it lying around in my recycling pile.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Not a forward, but I just spent three hours in the car with my dad. We got into the topic of politics, and he couldn't stop spouting Beck talking points long enough to address anything I said.

A few choice nuggets:

  • Bill Ayers and Van Jones are currently active in our government.
  • One of the many ways (and the only example he could provide, even though he has a "list of them") Obama is violating the Constitution is by not securing the southern border. This is tantamount to treason as well.
  • Communism = socialism
  • Woodrow Wilson had many people killed for disagreeing with him.
  • The minute FDR died the US instituted term limits because they thought he was such a lovely president.
  • Gas prices are being kept artificially low by the president. This was in response to me saying that I'm still waiting on the $7/gallon gas he predicted for this summer in a previous email. I asked how the president can suppress gas prices, and his response was asking me how the government can take over GM.
  • 70-90% (I forget which he claimed) of all companies in the US are government controlled.
  • The US was founded as a Christian nation and history that is being taught to today's children is being rewritten to change this.

I just sent him the Treaty of Tripoli as a counterpoint to the last item, although he said he won't trust anything but the "actual document". The link I sent has a scan of the actual document, so I don't know if that will be enough proof.

I'll probably get a four paragraph response with no citations in response to my email, but I'll be sure to share it when I get it.

During the trip I also announced my upcoming engagement, to which he only replied, "Why are you doing that?" and stayed silent the rest of the way.

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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Barack Obama walks into a bar. George Bush ducks. :smug:

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

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gaaaah

quote:

In previous emails, I suggested that a “train” was about to run you over. I suggested that complacency and apathy were about to kill this country. I suggested you wake up and investigate the information I was sending you and not take my word for it! GUESS WHAT? Too late to get off the track now, the train is about to run you over! Many months before the 08 elections, I started warning my friends and others of the danger electing Obama would bring! Many of you most likely said to yourself, “Oh that could never happen in America”. Many of you may have thought I just went off the deep end. To you I say, SPLAT!

This is a message from Barb's cousin Ed Schrock who was a 2 term congressman from Virginia and left because of the corruption. He is normally fairly silent on political messages sent out. Here are his comments and the tax information.

August 10, 2010
Hello Everyone,

I've never sent a single document to so many people at one time ever. But you need to read this from start to finish. Our government is about ready to do things to us we could never have imagined just a short time ago. Read it and weep.
Its horribly hot here in McLean, VA and I hope wherever you are its nicer than it is here.

Ed Schrock

For those of you scratching your head saying, “What”, I think Mr. Schrock is suggesting you may not be able to afford to run your air conditioner!


In just six months, on January 1, 2011, the largest tax hikes in the history of America will take effect.

They will hit families and small businesses in three great waves. On January 1, 2011, here’s what happens... (read it to the end, so you see all three waves)...

First Wave:

Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief

In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for investors, small business owners, and families. These will all expire on January 1, 2011.

Personal income tax rates will rise.

The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which two-thirds of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as highermarginal tax rates.

The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
The 10% bracket rises to an expanded 15%
The 25% bracket rises to 28%
The 28% bracket rises to 31%
The 33% bracket rises to 36%
The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Higher taxes on marriage and family.

The "marriage penalty" (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of income.
The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child.
The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.
The dependent care and adoption tax credits will be cut.

The return of the Death Tax.

This year only, there is no death tax. (It’s a quirk!) For those dying on or after January 1, 2011, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes, a business, a retirement account, could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones. Think of the farmers who don’t make much money, but their land, which they purchased years ago with after-tax dollars, is now worth a lot of money. Their children will have to sell the farm, which may be their livelihood, just to pay the estate tax if they don’t have the cash sitting around to pay the tax. Think about your own family’s assets. Maybe your family owns real estate, or a business that doesn’t make much money, but the building and equipment are worth $1 million. Upon their death, you can inherit the $1 million business tax free, but if they own a home, stock, cash worth $500K on top of the $1 million business, then you will owe the government $275,000 cash! That’s 55% of the value of the assets over $1 million! Do you have that kind of cash sitting around waiting to pay the estate tax?

Higher tax rates on savers and investors.

The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 20 percent in 2011. The dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 39.6 percent in 2011.
These rates will rise another 3.8 percent in 2013.

Second Wave:

Obamacare

There are over twenty new or higher taxes in Obamacare. Several will first go into effect on January 1, 2011. They include:

The "Medicine Cabinet Tax"

Thanks to Obamacare, Americans will no longer be able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin).

The "Special Needs Kids Tax"

This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children.

There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education.

Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington , D.C. ( National Child Research Center ) can easily exceed $14,000 per year.

Under tax rules, FSA dollars can not be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

The HSA (Health Savings Account) Withdrawal Tax Hike.

This provision of Obamacare increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAsand other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Third Wave:

The Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) and Employer Tax Hikes

When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2011, they'll be in for a nasty surprise-the AMT won't be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired.

The major items include:

The AMT will ensnare over 28 million families, up from 4 million last year.

According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress' failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families-rising from 4 million last year to 28.5 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.

Small business expensing will be slashed and 50% expensing will disappear.

Small businesses can normally expense (rather than slowly-deduct, or "depreciate") equipment purchases up to $250,000.

This will be cut all the way down to $25,000. Larger businesses can currently expense half of their purchases of equipment.

In January of 2011, all of it will have to be "depreciated."

Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses.

There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the "research and experimentation tax credit," but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.

Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced.

The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses.
Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.

Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed.

Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual "required minimum distribution." This ability will no longer be there.

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And worse yet?


Now, your insurance will be INCOME on your W2's!

One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows - - a little "surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the "new and improved" healthcare legislation . . . those who backed this administration will be astonished!

Starting in 2011, (next year folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern or governmental body of some sort.

If you're retired? So what... your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or $20,000 additional gross does to your tax debt. That's what you'll pay next year.

For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the15% that don't have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believing this??? Here is a research of the summaries.....

On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET PROVISIONS-(sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002 "requires employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from the employees gross income."

- Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters.
- Go to Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is what is above.

Why am I sending you this? The same reason I hope you forward this to every single person in your address book.

People have the right to know the truth because an election is coming in November!
THE PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW

Also I'm not sure, but I think the email refers to this Ed Schrock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Schrock

He left because of "corruption".

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

The pig is a huge fat pig.
Fallen Rib
I responded with some facts about letting the Bush tax cuts expire (including this graphic: http://www.fastcodesign.com/1662116/infographic-who-benefits-from-the-republican-tax-plan , which was quickly dismissed because Ezra Klein is "Merely an 'idealog'") and got a response. 700 words, but this is all you need to read:

quote:

As Nancy “Piglosi” said

Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

The pig is a huge fat pig.
Fallen Rib
Augh my personal finance instructor took the class through barstool economics and now he's hammering on the fairness of flat tax.

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Pungent Mammy
Jul 29, 2003

The pig is a huge fat pig.
Fallen Rib
A facebook friend has been posting nonstop over the last few months about the evils of fiat currency and the coming collapse of the dollar. He just posted a status praising Wordpress for accepting Bitcoin as a form of payment.

Is there an easy rebuttal to this? I know Bitcoin is nutty stuff but I can't cohere my thoughts well enough right now.

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