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This has been making the rounds on Facebook lately:quote:“Entrepreneur’s Credo It is invariably accompanied by a remark about how America should not allow the Socialist menace to succeed. Yes, it is from the same Thomas Paine who advocated a guaranteed minimum income and decried the advent of private ownership of property as denying every man of their natural inheritance, thus advocating everyone person upon reaching the age of 21 should receive a large sum of money from the government. The same Thomas Paine who sided with the French revolutionaries in overthrowing the aristocracy. The same Thomas Paine who advocated a heavily progressive taxation system funding extensive social services.
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Edit: I am wrong, read VideoTapir's post.
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Dec 28, 2011 14:21
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VideoTapir posted:If he wrote it, it was not in "Common Sense." Seriously, go check. Use the phrase "kept citizen" if you like: Wow, holy poo poo, I was totally suckered. This thing has such a life of its own that even legit sites attribute it to Common Sense, and it has been ages since I last looked at it. For me, it was easy to attribute to Thomas Paine simply because of his disdain for British nobility. Wow. Edit: Serves me right for not going to the source and checking immediately. archangelwar fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Dec 28, 2011 |
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Dec 28, 2011 15:58
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VideoTapir posted:What legit sites? AFAIK, there are no quotation sites dedicated to more than one author that actually make any effort to keep things correct except maybe Wikiquote. They're ad farms, like lyrics sites. Well I take that back, the sites are obviously not legit, but I figured they would do some fact checking. You have just shattered my entire world and now I can trust no one. 
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Dec 28, 2011 16:13
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Sarion posted:By Dr. Dean Alfrage Awesome, thanks! Now I have a topic of conversation next time I see it.
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Dec 29, 2011 03:18
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chesh posted:And will totally have a sex scandal. My money is on a gay sex scandal.
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Dec 31, 2011 16:20
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So, another nice Facebook story. This time, there is a picture of a mailman asleep in his truck, and 50+ comments that boil down to 'OUR TAX MONEY AT WORK!'
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Feb 4, 2012 02:23
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Amused to Death posted:Too bad the USPS hasn't received tax money since before I was born. One person point that out. Guess how many people read it? Even less than that probably believed it.
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Feb 4, 2012 02:34
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This sounds like the dumbest possible way to catch pigs, do people actually do this?
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Feb 9, 2012 16:04
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Sarion posted:Even if it was a some what legitimate tactic, wouldn't it make sense to build a wooden fence first, leave it for a week or so and then dump a bunch of corn inside it to lure the pigs in? The idea that you have to condition them to take the corn and then condition them to each fence wall, one step at a time seems ridiculous. Its only written that way in order to be a lovely analogy of "LIBERALS TAKING ARE FREEDOMS!" It makes even more sense to go to the loving hog store and buy some piglets.
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Feb 9, 2012 16:49
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Here's a quote from the current frontrunner for the GOP nomination for President of the United States of America. The loving hero worship of the rich in this country disgusts me. Mass envy is almost tolerable in comparison.
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Feb 17, 2012 18:00
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myron_cope posted:
And this is really what blows my mind...
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Feb 19, 2012 19:04
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Kim Jong III posted:Certainly; pro athletes are definitely making way more than the average person, and I wouldn't argue that. Current NFL retirees maintain their health benefits for life (something the older retirees are trying to make retroactive), maintain several forms of disability insurance, most likely had a free ride through college and will have career opportunities open to them that are not open to the typical person beyond their football career. Even at league minimum, it is not difficult for a pro player to exit their career with over a million in net worth while in their 20s, something nearly impossible for others who are not born into a wealthy family.
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Feb 20, 2012 16:19
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DarkHorse posted:Liberalism doesn't work. Perhaps he should first learn the definition of words before he uses them.
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Feb 22, 2012 19:09
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DarkHorse posted:My friend responded, and of course it's in a completely different direction than my tentative response. I don't have the intellectual energy to respond now, but I'd appreciate input on these views. Beside the fact that none of the ideas he has expressed have any grounding in fact, the idea of perfect labor mobility is hilarious. His endgame would ultimately result in destitute states (like Mississippi circa 1930s) literally lacking in education, clean water, electricity, and basic services, where people die of starvation in the streets (or washed out dirt roads as it were). That is because poor people lack the means to vote with their feet, and rich people love to get the gently caress away from the poor (read: black).
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Feb 22, 2012 20:32
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babies havin rabies posted:This whole attitude towards States' rights is based entirely on Game Theory while eschewing the whole of both US history and reality. In order to have it make sense, one would have to argue that the current level of influence from the Federal government is a hindrance to progressive policy at the State level, which is of course absurd. The best part is that people just like him get up in arms when OTHER states do things, such as Romney's health care in Mass. They crow about states rights, but then get pissed when states actually exercise their rights, because in the end, they just don't want any government to do anything ever.
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Feb 22, 2012 20:49
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Also, the best thing about people who argue based on Constitutional purism is that they will vehemently resist any and all efforts to amend the Constitution, even though that was the intent from the very beginning. Once you begin to argue a hypothetical amendment, they will prove that they only argue from the Constitution when it supports their ideology.
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Feb 22, 2012 20:55
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myron_cope posted:I didn't read all of that dudes verbal diarrhea so maybe I'm just as bad as "they" are (or worse!?) but isn't welfare a state system anyway? I mean I know money comes from the federal government, but don't the states administer it and also make up their own rules? Aren't most things (a lot of things?) "the government" does actually run this way? Most of the social programs in America are state administered with matching Federal funds. In order to get the funds, the state must meet certain criteria.
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Feb 22, 2012 21:09
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This guy does not loving know the definition of words.
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Feb 22, 2012 22:12
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euphronius posted:I think he meant Federalism? Of course he did, but even if you substitute Federalism into his little rant, he still betrays his ignorance as to why Federalism was desired in the first place. Edit: and he is more or less an advocate of a "Confederacy" Edit 2: I bet he is one of those assholes that believes "the Confederate Constitution was better if you just take out the word 'slavery'" archangelwar fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 22, 2012 |
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Feb 22, 2012 22:19
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ThePeteEffect posted:The Confederate Constitution was basically the US Constitution, just with a few revisions. http://www.filibustercartoons.com/CSA.htm That is why people who say that are assholes, it is just dog whistle Confederacy worship disguised as "States Rights" rhetoric (which is often the same thing anyway).
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Feb 22, 2012 23:04
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rscott posted:The University of Chicago? Sounds more like George Mason.
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Feb 28, 2012 17:22
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Chunk posted:I am absolutely confounded with his argument that gas prices aren't rising because they can be indexed against the price of gold. The price of gold has also skyrocketed, so his point doesn't work at all. The best part is that even if he is correct, it is only by mere coincidence that he was able to correlate the two time periods because the price of oil does not track the trending price of gold at all.
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Mar 1, 2012 20:12
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Guilty posted:Also, 175 dollars a month on internet and telephone. hahahahha AT&T unlimited plan with basic rollover and text messaging runs me $152/mo (for two).
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Mar 23, 2012 15:13
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Perestroika posted:What services are included in that? I'm asking because I pay like 35€/month for both internet and mobile phone (16k flatrate for the former) and I'm wondering whether prices are just generally that much higher in the US or if there are a some extra services that I don't get. It is just that expensive sadly. Sometimes I check prices from European carriers just so I can be depressed.Basically, I have the old school unlimited data plan, 900 family rollover minutes, and basic text messaging. I would love to drop text and use apps for texting, but my family and friends are still on flip phones. That would only save me $10/month. Also my bill shows a new "subscription" for 9.99/month and I have no idea where the gently caress that came from. Another fun day on the phone with AT&T.
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Mar 23, 2012 15:40
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Sarion posted:More generally though, demand specifics. Don't even try to refute them, just ask questions. Especially the friend claiming to be an entrepreneur. What taxes do they pay that have increased, when did they increase? If they are paying more in taxes as a percentage of income, then in all likelihood they are not performing their accounting correctly. Owning a small business is a tax trap, so you have to be diligent with your record keeping. Most people are not.
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Mar 26, 2012 21:34
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Orkiec posted:
Oh man, Google is in on the conspiracy, hiding their gigabytes of 'current' pictures of Zimmerman.
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Mar 29, 2012 21:23
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Sarion posted:They moved him to a base in Kuwait to be held until there's a trial. That's it. Nothing has really started as far as actually trying him. And of course there is a loving difference anyway, that has nothing to do with the color of their skin or their religious beliefs. Hassad killed US soldiers. Bales killed Afghani civilians. Which one of these is more likely to be in the world news headlines?
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Mar 30, 2012 15:01
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Walter posted:
Yeah, I don't get it; why would the media cry out for an investigation since one already took place?
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Apr 12, 2012 14:43
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babies havin rabies posted:rscott began the argument with an ad hominem by suggesting that his friend was delusional for supporting Ron Paul. He absolutely began the discussion by attacking the poster. That is not an ad hom. Believing Ron Paul has a chance at winning the Republican nomination is delusional as it is 100% completely impossible for him to get the delegates necessary to do so at this point. That is a delusional stance. However, it turned out that was a wrong assumption.
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Apr 12, 2012 15:29
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ChaosSamusX posted:Also, second greatest? What does that mean? Well I am assuming Justin Beiber is first?
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Apr 13, 2012 02:21
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RagnarokAngel posted:I believe you mean a boar. I think he means coyote, that Rick Perry was jogging with in Montana.
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Apr 15, 2012 23:18
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Good Citizen posted:- Collective bargaining is limited to negotiating wages. Wage increases are limited to a cap based on inflation unless a referendum is held and the voters approve a larger contract. I love this because it shows that Conservatives don't really believe that wages should reflect accomplishment or hard work, and that 'fair' means what voters think, not actual market-place negotiations.
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Apr 27, 2012 18:27
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Blindeye posted:Okay, can anyone source the whole Fannie and Freddie were going to be stopped 17 times by Republicans thing? All I can find was Chuck Hagel's bill for their regulatory structure to be evaluated in 2006 that didn't go anywhere because other reviews of their structure proved favorable. Given that Freddie and Fannie have nearly gently caress-all to do with the housing crisis, then I would say any efforts by Republicans to "stop them" was nothing more than a red herring and political ploy, even if it were true.
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May 20, 2012 17:40
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llama_arse posted:Now clearly this guy is way into the minutiae of policy, but how accurate is it? Also, I know that "Canadians hate their healthcare" has been a Republican talking point for years, but is there any truth to the "imploding" bit? Google tells me that Canada's system has only minor problems at most. The problem is that the guy is not even arguing the actual issue. Of course people should be free to spend as much as they want on 'health care.' The problem is that we spend more, but get less than other countries. Having the 'freedom' to spend is a red herring, because $1000 of spending in the US gets you less than $1000 of spending in any other first world country, regardless of the source of the money (insurance, private expenditure, NHC, etc.) We spend more per capita on health care in a system that does not provide better results. And no, Canada's health care system is not imploding, and the onus is on him to prove his positive statements, not for you to disprove them.
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Jun 30, 2012 18:16
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And the theory of marginal utility of GPA is...
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Jul 13, 2012 15:26
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Hey, leave her alone. She is Just Asking Questions™.
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Jul 15, 2012 16:51
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Red Warrior posted:The Rutland County Vermont GOP posted this delightful message on their Facebook page yesterday, that's since been pulled: Wow... the blatant racism and the guy thinks people were just outraged because it made fun of "Democrats"?
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Jul 16, 2012 21:50
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My favorites are the people who believe that the government should be run like a business. Businesses grow and reinvest in the business whenever demand for their product is high. Therefore the government should grow and reinvest when demand for its product is highest (recession). No, I don't advocate treating government like a business, it just shows that people who believe in these meaningless sound bites have not thought their positions through.
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Taerkar posted:The USPS has already been addressed so I'll handle the DMV. The DMV is hamstrung by the fact that we must carry around reams of documents in this country rather than having an efficient data warehousing system that allows all of the various pieces of government to communicate efficiently. Once you enter the DMV, if you don't have all 50 documents required to achieve whatever goal you had in mind, then there is really nothing they can do to help, and you standing and yelling at the attendant will not help. Sorry for the rant, but I loving hate how our government outright rejects the use of technology to make our everyday lives even better.
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