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Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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sinep posted:

Does anyone have any impressions of the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate? I just ordered one cause I wanted a mechanical keyboard with backlighting. This will also be my first mechanical keyboard, so I'm fairly excite.

I have the non-ultimate, and it's loving awesome. I went from a 10$ cheapo to that, so it was a huge upgrade for me. I'd say you won't be disappointed (I have yet to run into a situation where the lack of NKRO has been a problem), as they're the same keyboard, the ultimate just has led's/more poo poo soldered onto the controller pcb.

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Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Ample posted:

I'm looking for a Mechanical keyboard that doesn't break the bank. Thinking about getting either the Steelseries 6Gv2 Gaming Keyboard or the Razer BlackWidow. Has anyone tried either or both? Pros / Cons?

Are you gaming more or typing more? The layout images of the 6gv2 are what made me get the blackwidow (gently caress giant L-shaped enter keys :spergin:). Also, cherry black keys are supposedly harder to type on as they take more weight to actuate.

I really like my blackwidow. Took a little getting used to the slight shift from center vs my old keyboard because of the macro keys, but nothing major. I still bottom out a bit, but it's because I'm still getting used to typing without having to mash down the keys because my membrane kb was wearing out.

edit: It's also fairly glossy on the trim, but just using a microfiber dusting cloth every now and then keeps it just fine. Just don't expect to be fingerprint free with it, ever.

Tedronai66 fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Feb 8, 2011

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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bacon! posted:

I found this Adesso guy while browsing the internet about keyboards

http://www.adesso.com/en/home/keyboards/mechanical-keyboard/250-mkb-135b.html.

CDW has it for $90 - I think I'm going to pick it up as a programming keyboard. $90 for cherry blues seems like a good deal

You can get a Blackwidow for ~75 shipped from amazon. The adesso has a few more features (usb hub and audio passthrough), if those actually matter to you. Seems like the adesso weighs about as much as the blackwidow, if not a little less.


Ample posted:

I would use it for equal amounts of time. I like the minimalistic design of the 6gv2 but really I care more about functionality. Are there any other inexpensive mechanical keyboards i should consider? Everyone talks very highly of the blackwidow.

I think the non-ultimate BW is best bang for your buck for a straight mechanical keyboard (and the ultimate is probably as well for illuminated keys). They are pretty drat solid in build, and hefty. Blue switches are more meant for typing, but I've not had a single problem in gaming (mostly wow/tf2 on pc).

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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chappey posted:

How's the software? I read a review that said while it was able to switch profiles based on the application in focus, it didn't switch back to a default profile after that program was exited. Is that a big deal or is the default profile a keypress away?

I haven't used to software for much other than making crafting macros for wow. I was more aiming for a solid mechanical kb that didn't feel like poo poo to type on. That I got macro buttons was just a side bonus.

The macro recording is easy enough, fairly intuitive editing after recording (though could be better). I think one of the fn buttons switches profiles for you.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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blowingupcasinos posted:

If by "clicky" you mean Cherry Blues, White Alps, or Bucking Spring switches (please see this), then you won't find a keyboard for $50. I've seen the Adesso Mechanical Gaming Keyboard for $65 on Amazon. Razer's Black Widow goes for $80. If you want the built-in palm rest I've only heard of the Steel Series 7G, but that's $150.

I suggest getting a mechanical keyboard and palm rest separately because mechanical keyboards are meant to last for *a long time*. The palm rest will at least wear-and-look-gross and more probably be unusable long before your keyswitches break down.

Echoing this. The mechanical switches are worth the extra money. I wish I could use them at work. Right now the Blackwidow (non ultimate) is going for ~$73 on amazon: http://goo.gl/JZ9TR

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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frankylazers posted:

So how durable are ~$100 mechanical keyboards generally?

I was thinking about ordering this http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200rtab Mainly for gaming to replace a MS Comfort Curve 2000.

They should be fairly durable. I know my blackwidow is heavy as hell, and really solid construction. The key switches will last a long rear end time (~20 million+ for blues, 40 million+ strokes for browns is their rating). I had a membrane board last through 5 years of abuse, 3 of it playing WoW (button mashing-est game of the century).

tl;dr: They should be pretty drat durable.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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blowingupcasinos posted:

Has anyone heard of a mechanical keyboard actually wearing out? I haven't.

Yeah, I think you have a higher possibility of breaking the pcb from intense button mashing (still would be loving hard to do, most are built like tanks) than wearing out the switches.

Are there any ergonomic keyboards akin to the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 (I hate the few mech ergo's i've seen with the huge gap in the middle)? I use the 4000 for work but have already worn down the membrane pretty heavily after a couple years of use. If not, I'll just have IT order me a new one and deal with it.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Is there any way to replace the spacebar on a black widow (does anyone know)? The left third of mine doesn't actuate the key, and I think the bar unerneath the key to actuate the switch broke or something. All it does is bottom out.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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DinosaurHouseParty posted:

There is only one switch under the space bar, and from the cherrys I've seen the mechanics under the side broken s should be fairly robust. If you don't want to do a self repair by plying the bar off carefully and reinstalling it correctly yourself then a rma might be your only other option, though I'd try to fix the thing first.

I ended up doing this, and there's a little plastic thing that came unhooked from the stabilizer (looked at pictures of a Filco and other cherry MX-based keyboards, and razers definitely seemed to be a lower quality iplementation).

Much easier than I anticipated to fix, to be honest.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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glompix posted:

Sounds like you just need to sell your silent das for 50% off and you'll break even. Shouldn't be hard. :v:

In fact, I would likely buy it. I wonder how much a bitch fit IT would raise with me bringing it in. I'm stuck with a lovely dome keyboard right now, but having never typed on anything with browns (just blues, which I still bottom out a lot with gaming), I'm worried I wouldn't like it.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Cheekio posted:

Edit: Forgot why I came to this thread in the first place. I'm looking for a gaming mouse for SC2 and I didn't find a mouse thread. Are there any no-brainer options? Everyone seems to be pimping out Razor, but all I know is that I have a heavy mouse now and I need a light, responsive mouse and a mousepad as soon as my paycheck clears the bank.

This thread is probably the closest thing to a mouse thread that exists. at work, I literally just got a slimblade trackball, and I think I'm going to really like it..

Don't get a wireless razer if you want lightweight. I believe the Imperator (which or close to a wired version of the mamba) is lightweight. There's also Steelseries, though I know nothing of their products, only that I didn't like the 6gv2 keyboard at all.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Xanar posted:

Thanks for all the suggestions. I just received my Filco with brown switches and it feels great. I guess the switch type doesn't matter too much to me at the moment since I'm pretty much bottoming out every key I press unless I really concentrate and type extra slowly.

That should change with time. If you've only ever used membranes you have to bottom them out, sometimes much harder as they wear down. That's why I'm looking forward to having a brown-based keyboard in the future at work (just need some spare cash to buy it with).

Are there any with a positive (negative?) angle on them, where the palm-rest is raised above the front of the keyboard, a la this (my current keyboard at work)?

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Streebs posted:

Back in September I got a tenkeyless Filco with brown switches and I love it so much I want one for work but this time I want to get one with blue switches to see which one I like more. The only problem is I can't find a tenkeyless Filco with blue switches anywhere. There were ~12 of them up on Amazon last week but I didn't pull the trigger and now they are gone :gonk:

I'm almost tempted to buy a Topre Realforce on elitekeyboards.com but $265 is a lot of drat money. I don't know what to do, I'm a pretty impatient person so I don't know that I can wait for a Filco with blues to pop up somewhere. I've read a lot of good things about the Topre Realforce boards but are they REALLY worth it for $265?

Would a tenkeyless Leopold with blues not be just as suitable?

edit: vv I am a dumbass and didn't even look.

super double edit: there's an x-armor claiming NKRO at amazon with blues http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VU17E8
I cannot attest to xarmor quality vs filco since I have tried neither. also not 10keyless, but I cant live without the 10key.

Tedronai66 fucked around with this message at 20:00 on May 26, 2011

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Sizzlechest posted:

I sometimes type in the dark and need to see the keys. Is there another reason?

If you want MX black and backlighting, Mionix might be for for you: http://www.mionix.net/page.php?al=zibal60

I cannot attest to Xarmor (they have blue backlit MX Brown switches) for build quality, or mionix for that matter. But there are options out there.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Steakandchips posted:

Cherry blacks are the best for gaming. You can spam the poo poo out of them.

Perfect for both MMOs and FPS.

I loving hate how blacks feel. Blue/Browns feel awesome for me.

I spam the poo poo out of keys in wow/shooters all the time.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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coldfire07 posted:

Even browns can be loud for the office. I work in a team room with a few other people and they all hate my Leopold with browns. I've started using my wireless apple keyboard again. Luckily, it's one of the best membrane keyboards I've typed on.

They do sell pads you can put on the switches. It makes them feel a bit different because you dont have a clack drop the keycap hitting anymore, but also makes them quieter. They're like 12.50 off of ek.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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For Loop posted:

I killed my leopold last night. dumped a small bowl of worchestshire sauce on the enter key area. I flipped it over right away and emptied the bulk of it, but in pulling off the keycaps, I yanked out one of the side pieces for the shift key that connects the keycap to the metal bar.

I don't know if I can repair it. It is a sad, sad day.

I'm pretty sure you can re-seat those (I dont have a leopold to go by), if the side pieces are anything like the ones that a space bar stabilizer goes on.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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JAssassin posted:

I'm having way too much trouble finding a keyboard with green back lighting. They just don't seem to exist outside of color options on high end keyboards. The cheapest I've managed to find is either from a company called DeCK for $125, or a nifty keyboard that can use pretty much any color in the rainbow from ThinkGeek for $100. Unfortunately, it doesn't have a number pad with it, which means I'd have to buy one separately.

My only other option seems to be buying a cheaper keyboard then manually replacing all the LEDs with green ones, and that sounds like a total pain in the rear end if it's possible. Do you guys know of anything better?

Zowie celeritas. Has MX blacks though, if you care about that.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Does anyone have a ducky with browns? I'm looking at maybe getting the OCN keyboard for work (or any keyboard for work with browns) because I don't have 150+ to spend on a filco and the das is too goddamn shiny.

I could possibly go for an x-armor or something else cheaper with browns too, just as long as it isn't shiny as poo poo and won't fall apart on me for a long while.

e: I found some text books last night, so maybe I'll try and sell those back to amazon :v: and see what I have.

Tedronai66 fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 19, 2011

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Has anyone bought the Xarmor with MX browns yet? das/filco are still out of my budget, but if it's worth it to wait/save, I'd do it.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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McMaster-Carr will get you them cheaper than WASD: search for AS568A-008, 2bux/100. I think shipping is like $5 for small orders, so a larger buy might be worth it (I'm thinking of getting 300 for myself, since I might buy another kb for work).

edit: wtf quote get out

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Deadcell27 posted:

As someone looking for a decent backlit keyboard for the main purposes of gaming and typing up stuff for university, would a Razer Black Widow be a good idea? I love the sound and idea of mechanical keys, and to be honest, this sounds like it ticks all the boes.

The only other keyboard I've seen that has jumped out at me as being interesting was the Saitek Cyborg v7, but as far as I'm aware, that isn't a mechanical board.

I have a blackwidow, and I'm starting to notice the only real issue I have with it more and more: the keys are slightly cramped due to the macro buttons vs your standard 104 key layout.

Also, consider BW stealth if you're going to have roommates who may murder you for typing loudly all the goddamn time. (My roommate had a louder scissor-key laptop when I was in dorms, and I wanted to kill him for staying up every night until 1-2 typing, even when I had 8 am class)


edit: vv The Ultimate is, not the regular one, but yeah.

Tedronai66 fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Sep 1, 2011

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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When did they start making leopolds with tenkeys? I might have to get me a red or brown board.

O-rings should be coming in today, going to test them out with my blackwidow. I still type too drat hard to not bottom out on them (loving work membrane keyboard).

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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cbubbles posted:

If you have your keyboard right in front of you, the ten key forces your mouse a bit further out. It brings the mouse closer to the "letter keys" of your keyboard. I think it's supposed to be more "ergonomic". I don't know if it truly is, but I can see the mouse being closer to where your hands rest on the keyboard being useful.

I use my tenkey enough I bought a regular 104 keyboard.

I game with my right hand, and my mouse is on another level (keyboard in KB drawer). but at work, I use a mouse that can be used in either hand, and use it with my left hand. I can see how it's more ergonomic to have a tenkeyless, actually. I just can't bring myself to do it. I use the 10-key often enough that that would drive me batshit bonkers.

I got my McMaster-Carr Orings last night, and added them to every key on my black widow. I love it. It's pretty subtle unless I'm mashing away on the keys, but I wish I'd done it sooner. And at ~:10bux:, I got enough rings to do 2 full keyboards and have enough for a tenkeyless (I think, BW took 106, most are 104-key). It took me ~45 minutes, while watching a Mad Men, and I had no key puller.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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cbubbles posted:


For the O-Ringers did you order through McMaster-Carr or WASD? Tempted to pick some up - wondering which route is cheaper. My main issue with WASD would be the impossible to resist temptation to add a set of orange keys for my black filco board. The giants may suck, but my keyboard would look pretty nice I think :unsmith:

McMaster will be far cheaper. Like I said, my :10bux: will outfit at least 2 full keyboards and maybe a tenkeyless.

go to http://www.mcmaster.com/#as568a-o-rings/=dyksjf Select 008, and I just went with the Buna-N cheapos (A70 hardness, $1.94/100, fullsize will require 2, so I just bought 3 packs). Shipping ran me about 5 bux (they don't tell you when you order), came in an enormous-for-the-orings box (maybe 6"x6"x4"?).

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Tornhelm posted:

As someone who has used a BlackWidow, you don't. It didn't take long to get used to it, but those macro keys are the biggest weakness the board has.

This. I mean, if you really want macro keys, I'll sell you my BW with Oring mod and put that toward a wasd of my own.

Tedronai66 fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Sep 14, 2011

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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glompix posted:

Nice to hear all the good things about the red switch Leopolds. I really want to pick one up to replace my Blackwidow at home now, but money. :sigh:

Hear ya there. I'd pick up a brown and a red (work/home) to replace my poo poo dell at work/bw at home.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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glompix posted:

I use my thumb for alt too. There's no other good way to hit M-x. drat emacs. :argh:

Which is why vim is better to use :smugbert:

I hit alt with my thumb too. Comes from using alt as a modifier in MMO's, etc. Using ring finger would cause a shitload of wrist strain just to hit some of the keys.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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glompix posted:

There need to be more tenkeyless boards with a fn key that turns a cluster of keys into the numpad, like many laptops have. I would gladly take that shorter kb<->mouse travel in exchange for a key hold while I type in long strings of numbers. Only real annoyance would be typing hexadecimal numbers. Hope you don't use bitwise fields much. :v:

Solution: left hand mouse. I use just a simple intellimouse type mouse at work, buttons not swapped or anything. You learn it real fast.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Risky posted:

I'm pretty sure it's because that was the default keys for a lot of the first FPS games that came out on the PC back in the day and it just stuck with most of us.

Every time I've tried to shift to ESDF, I get annoyed and shift back. Too deep of muscle memory.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Wadjamaloo posted:

You could always try Mc-Master-Carr. They are perfect for just about any fiddly bit you would ever need.

For those of you who want the correct number (this was for razer blackwidow, but I would assume for any cherry keycap)

Buna-N O-Ring, AS568A Dash Number 008, Packs of 100 (you will need 2 to do every key on a ten-keyed keyboard)

The K60 has me pondering selling my original BW and buying 2 k60's (one for home and one for work). Reds seem nice (coding all day, gently caress this mushy ergo4000), and being able to have regular keys at work is important (less attention drawing for IT dickwads to grumble about "unapproved equipment" (yes they have done it before to a coworker who brought in his dvorak apple slim kb)).

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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o muerte posted:

Yup - here's the part # from my order:

2418T114 Soft Buna-N O-Ring, AS568A Dash Number 008, packs of 125

Those are 10 bux/package (plus shipping) versus <2 per. Which is why I got the a70's. Seems good enough on my bw. Then again if I order a mx red/brown from wasd, I think I might get the oring mod form them, even though I have 250+ a70 o-rings atm.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Fuzz posted:

Yeah, I just pulled the trigger on it.

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,fullsize&pid=fc500rrab

Bought from these guys because they seemed the most legit and had a decent price... $110 for a nice mechanical that should hopefully last me another 10 years, at least, is fine by me.


EDIT: Aaaand i immediately backed down because I happened to be reading another thread on another forum, totally unrelated to keyboards, and the Corsair K90 popped up in the conversation, which I had not heard about, at all, because I somehow missed its mention in this thread like 3 pages back. Stupid me.

Hopefully these guys are good bout cancellations, because the K90 works out to the same price on Amazon, and it's literally EXACTLY what I've been looking for this whole time. drat. drat you, Corsair, for making poo poo that I love.

The k90 is the one that actually uses all mech switches, right? Because the k60 has rubber domes on less-used keys, or so I've read.

edit: nope http://amzn.to/vxlBqi (link to review).

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Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Fuzz posted:

Yeah I know all about that and don't care... I get why they did it that way (except the 6 block delete ones) and don't mind it.

To each their own, I guess. That poo poo would drive me nuts.

Who here HAS bought the rosewill with reds? I'm pondering it for work since I'm tired of poo poo membrane kb's. Getting a new pc for work this week it looks like, so might ring it in with a good kb.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Shogunner posted:

Is there a way to permanently turn my left windows key into a function key, so I don't have to seemingly have this AutoHotkey thing running all the time?

You could do this and make your AHK script executable, add to startup folder.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Shogunner posted:

Yea. It really is. I want to get myself a WASD custom but I can't decide between Browns or Blacks. Apparently the difference is the tactile vs linear feel but I don't know what that means. D:

Tactile - you will feel a slight bump as the key actuates. You can stop pressing down after feeling this.
Linear - you won't. It'll go straight to bottoming out.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Zaraphrax posted:



As for the ergonomic keyboard idea, much of those sorts of boards are too expensive for me at present. I thought of getting an MS Natural Ergonomics 4000, but I tried it in the shop and whilst the layout was nice the keys were awful. If only I could get my hands on an IBM M15. :(


I have a 4000 right now. It was awesome when I got it 3 years ago from work. However, even with my home kb being a black widow, I hate it now.

Which is why I just pulled the trigger on a Das Silent Professional (browns) for work.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Shogunner posted:

Does anyone know of a script for AutoHotkey that makes a Windows key a function button, then lets you add secondary functions for whichever key you choose?

Maybe it's because I'm tired, but, gently caress if I can find anything of the sort for it. :(

Here's how to make your own scripts: http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/Hotkeys.htm

Use the '#' symbol to denote the windows key.

Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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DinosaurHouseParty posted:

Hmm well even browns you can hear from one room over. It's all about pitch and tone I think.

Main noise with browns will be keycap-on-pcb action. I use 70A o-rings on my blues (and likely will on my das with browns when it comes in), and it's helped a ton with that noise. still get the blue click, but it's definitely a LOT quieter.

Clanpot Shake posted:

I thought it was LWin and RWin?

It is, I think # makes it generic.

http://www.autohotkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Lesson_1 Might help more.

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Tedronai66
Aug 24, 2006
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Shogunner posted:

I'm confused, why is this not working

LWin & ~Numpad9::Ctrl & Alt & Insert

Wouldn't that make my L windows + Numpad 9 perform Ctrl+Alt+Insert

My mind is blown

:negative:

try this?
~Lwin & ~Numpad9::Ctrl & Alt & Insert

there's also: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/resources/hotkeys

So if you're going for media keys, have what you want send the media command.

E:
do you have global hotkeys for sure enabled in winamp?

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