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doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


I have a pretty simple recommendation request this time: Scary games. What are the spookiest games I can play, when it comes to the PC? They can be from any time, I'm not picky.

Just to give you an idea of what I'm looking for:

FEAR - Not a big fan. I guess the shooter action was pretty fun, but the horror "sections" were just uninspired, in my opinion.
STALKER - Loved it. Lots of great, creepy atmosphere-building, and the sheer terror that persisted past the jump scare of a bloodsucker was awesome.
Penumbra - HAVE NOT PLAYED THIS. I played a demo a long, long time ago. It was kind of clunky, but I've heard great things about it since, and it sounds like they must have improved a whole lot. Is it worth playing?

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Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.


doctor iono posted:

I have a pretty simple recommendation request this time: Scary games. What are the spookiest games I can play, when it comes to the PC? They can be from any time, I'm not picky.

Just to give you an idea of what I'm looking for:

FEAR - Not a big fan. I guess the shooter action was pretty fun, but the horror "sections" were just uninspired, in my opinion.
STALKER - Loved it. Lots of great, creepy atmosphere-building, and the sheer terror that persisted past the jump scare of a bloodsucker was awesome.
Penumbra - HAVE NOT PLAYED THIS. I played a demo a long, long time ago. It was kind of clunky, but I've heard great things about it since, and it sounds like they must have improved a whole lot. Is it worth playing?

Silent Hill 2, 3, 4 & 5 have all been released for the PC. Of those, I would really only recommend 2 and 3, as they have the best atmosphere, story and gameplay in my opinion. They're all separate stories, so you don't need to have played one to play the other.

Dead Space is also available for the PC. It does a pretty good job of building tension. It does have a number of the jump scares, but there's more to it then just that. Personally, I have a hard time with the game because of the controls as I can't get very accurate with the mouse, but others don't seem to have the problem. It's probably your best bet for a horror game on the PC.

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


Bluetooth enjoyable human being posted:

Silent Hill 2, 3, 4 & 5 have all been released for the PC. Of those, I would really only recommend 2 and 3, as they have the best atmosphere, story and gameplay in my opinion. They're all separate stories, so you don't need to have played one to play the other.

Dead Space is also available for the PC. It does a pretty good job of building tension. It does have a number of the jump scares, but there's more to it then just that. Personally, I have a hard time with the game because of the controls as I can't get very accurate with the mouse, but others don't seem to have the problem. It's probably your best bet for a horror game on the PC.

poo poo, I knew I was missing something. I've played Silent Hill - well, 2 and 3. How worth it are 4 and 5?

And thanks for the Dead Space recommendation, I somehow forgot about that.

Residual Toast
Nov 19, 2007
The Toast with the Most

Wallet posted:

I assume it's cool to use this thread to ask for recommendations? I've got a hankering for any sort of CRPG that's come out in the last four or five years that I haven't played. It's not that I don't like old games, I've just played all of them. In recent years I've played all of Bioware's stuff, Drakensang, and uh.. Fallout 3/Oblivion, The Witcher, that's it I think. I can't find anything else of recent vintage. There was a goon that posted about another German RPG a while ago that I think should be out by now where you turn into a dragon or something but I can't remember the name of it or find the thread. Help me

I'm gonna guess what you're talking about is The Witcher, which is a german RPG based on a novel, where the entire plot branches based on your actions, but manages to do it linearly. The goonthread is here

WastelandTraveler
Sep 8, 2009

SlipgateRunner was Scragged by a Scrag.


doctor iono posted:

I have a pretty simple recommendation request this time: Scary games. What are the spookiest games I can play, when it comes to the PC? They can be from any time, I'm not picky.

Just to give you an idea of what I'm looking for:

FEAR - Not a big fan. I guess the shooter action was pretty fun, but the horror "sections" were just uninspired, in my opinion.
STALKER - Loved it. Lots of great, creepy atmosphere-building, and the sheer terror that persisted past the jump scare of a bloodsucker was awesome.
Penumbra - HAVE NOT PLAYED THIS. I played a demo a long, long time ago. It was kind of clunky, but I've heard great things about it since, and it sounds like they must have improved a whole lot. Is it worth playing?

Hmmm Dead Space if you haven't played it on another system is a great game, Its not as creepy as stalker but it still does the trick. If we were back in 99 id say go with Alien Vs Predator or System Shock 2, but I'm not sure how those games would effect you today. Doom 3(lol) or Bioshock might do the trick for ya, Bioshock more than Doom3 imo. I cant really think of any creepy pc games other than the ones mentioned so far by you or me that would really creep you out.

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.


doctor iono posted:

poo poo, I knew I was missing something. I've played Silent Hill - well, 2 and 3. How worth it are 4 and 5?

And thanks for the Dead Space recommendation, I somehow forgot about that.

4 was a lot of fun for the first half of the game. Then it goes through all the levels you already did, but backwards, and escorting someone. There's also some other annoying aspects to it, like your safe area becoming dangerous, and ghosts that can't die. The story gets kind of out there too.

I bought 5 for the ps3, played it for about 4 hours, and returned it. I can't really say what is wrong with exactly, but it's kind of obvious fans of the first game made it, but that doesn't mean they did a good job.

I really couldn't recommend either unless you find em cheap.

Also, I forgot about System Shock 2 and Alien Vs Predator 2, definitely seconding those. They're old, but still pretty good.

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


System Shock 2 is indeed great, will play Alien Vs. Predator 2.

Onkel Hedwig
Jun 27, 2007



doctor iono posted:

poo poo, I knew I was missing something. I've played Silent Hill - well, 2 and 3. How worth it are 4 and 5?

And thanks for the Dead Space recommendation, I somehow forgot about that.

No, Silent Hill 2 and 3 really are the best of the series.

While not beeing really scary, Resident Evil 4 is a fun spooky game for the PC. And with a gamepad it's playable quite good.

edit: Oh and if you really would like to know how an unexperienced, nameless marine who fights an overwhelmingly powerful enemy, and usually dies in the first 5 minutes of an action movie feels - then play the Marine Campaign of AVP1.

Play as Alien or Predator and this game is a fun FPS.

Play as marine and it's a survival horror shooter.

Onkel Hedwig fucked around with this message at Sep 9, 2009 around 20:00

Office Sheep
Jan 20, 2007


I'm looking for a challenging puzzle heavy adventure. Something more puzzle and atmosphere based like myst and less talky and story driven like monkey island or those new telltale adventures. I'd prefer as little rubbing everything on everything as possible.

a medical mystery
Dec 15, 2007

You're cute!


Office Sheep posted:

I'm looking for a challenging puzzle heavy adventure. Something more puzzle and atmosphere based like myst and less talky and story driven like monkey island or those new telltale adventures. I'd prefer as little rubbing everything on everything as possible.

Entombed is pretty old, but might be what you're looking for. Pretty much the entirety of the game is solving Myst-style puzzles.

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.


Office Sheep posted:

I'm looking for a challenging puzzle heavy adventure. Something more puzzle and atmosphere based like myst and less talky and story driven like monkey island or those new telltale adventures. I'd prefer as little rubbing everything on everything as possible.

7th Guest and The 11th Hour are pretty much just puzzle games with creepy fmv cutscenes in between. They're old as dirt though, and probably hard to find.

I'm not quite sure if that's what you mean though.

goninzo
Aug 26, 2009

All around decent avatar

I'd second (third? fifteenth?) the suggestions for System Shock series and Alien Vs. Predator. Though I think that the OP might be looking for the Might and Magic series, where it was FPS RPG, but multiple characters. Or the original gold box by SSR of Pool of Radiance. Which is still hella fun, I played through the first episode, but got stuck in the second one due to a glitch from one of my floppies.

If you wanted something a bit more modern, I can't say enough nice things about the relatively new game of Fallout 3. It has a lot of RPG elements, has some very good shooting, is set in an apocalyptic setting, so not as many elves as requested.

Love to hear what you settle on playing though.

Funso Banjo
Dec 22, 2003


The guy who was after something scary and good.

Try thief 3. It's not really scary during the majority of the game, but it does have one level that scared me (and a bunch of other goons back when it was new and we had a megathread) to hell. I think the fact the majority of the game is not trying to be scary makes that part even better.

Also it's just a kickass game.

ErikTheRed
Mar 12, 2007

My name is Deckard Cain and I've come on out to greet ya, so sit your ass and listen or I'm gonna have to beat ya.

Funso Banjo posted:

The guy who was after something scary and good.

Try thief 3. It's not really scary during the majority of the game, but it does have one level that scared me (and a bunch of other goons back when it was new and we had a megathread) to hell. I think the fact the majority of the game is not trying to be scary makes that part even better.

Also it's just a kickass game.

That level is called The Cradle. Thief 3 is really underrated, I think it gets overlooked since the first two were so incredible.

prismeclipser
May 2, 2008


So I have a 360 and realized I only have four games for it which seems like a waste of a console.

I own Chromehounds, Saint's Row 2, Prototype, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. I was thinking of getting one of the Burnout games and Fable 2. I also dislike first person shooters. What would you guys would suggest?

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


Funso Banjo posted:

The guy who was after something scary and good.

Try thief 3. It's not really scary during the majority of the game, but it does have one level that scared me (and a bunch of other goons back when it was new and we had a megathread) to hell. I think the fact the majority of the game is not trying to be scary makes that part even better.

Also it's just a kickass game.

I hate forgetting things when I make my posts, because it always ends up that I've already played half of the recommendations.

Thief 3 is another great example of the kind of game I'm into, though. The tension, even in the levels that weren't the Cradle, was insane.

prismeclipser posted:

So I have a 360 and realized I only have four games for it which seems like a waste of a console.

I own Chromehounds, Saint's Row 2, Prototype, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. I was thinking of getting one of the Burnout games and Fable 2. I also dislike first person shooters. What would you guys would suggest?

Do you have GTA IV? It's not as good as the earlier games in the series, in my opinion, but it's still definitely worth a play through, and you seem like to like sandbox games.

Also get Crackdown. It's kind of like Prototype, but with a better acrobatics system, and more focus on weapons than melee abilities (don't worry, though, you don't have to be good at shooters, most of your shooting will be auto-lock). If you've played Mercenaries, it's kind of similar in that your main objective is killing bosses, and killing the lieutenants and such under them makes those big boss fights easier.

doctor iono fucked around with this message at Sep 10, 2009 around 00:48

Leper Residue
Sep 28, 2003

To where no dog has gone before.


Are there any games like Demon Souls or Monster Hunter for systems other then the PS3 or PSP. Preferably not the original Monster Hunter for the PS2, but games like it.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006



Okay, I'm currently playing Menzoberrenzaaaaan or whatever the name is, which someone recommended for me. It's fun but loving unforgiving. It seems to use D&D rules, where the stats are all in some weird format like THESE PANTS ARE 10D7 AND THIS SWORD IS 1-5/2-7, tons of monsters can surround you out of goddamn nowhere at almost any point, and when you die you're loving dead for good. There are also like a ton of spells, but they're cut off by the screen so you have stuff like SPELL OF DETECT ..., and the manual doesn't list them so I can't check what they even do. gently caress the manual, it's a bastard and laid out in the most confusing way just to make me scan every inch of dense grey text to find out basic functions. CURE LIGHT WOU, I can figure out what that means and what effect it has, but what about AID or PRAYER? They're obviously cleric spells but beyond that who loving knows.

Other than that I'm kinda enjoying it. The writing is horribly 'fantasy' with lots of HOW DOST THOU FARE MY GOOD FRIEND, but crappy language aside it's really good, whoever penned it actually had a decent grasp of characterisation and such. I keep dying, which sucks, probably because I rolled a Thief and a Cleric (didn't really want a cleric but the chick in the surgical mask was too awesome). I figured I'd be picking up fighter npcs to make up for it now and then, but the guy from the starting village ain't such great shakes.

UU: Stygian Abyss is alright now I got it running but it does the crappy fantasy language without the advantage of good character dialogue. It's also a horrible loving maze and I keep drowning in the sewer runoff.

Anvil of Dawn has a way easier interface but less good story and more mazes to navigate. I also can't even pick my own character's name, there are 5 of them but they're pre-created. The little goblin, however, definitely has the most adorable face of the lot. I guess I'll stop playing once I get tired of locate-the-door-you-just-opened-with-the-floorswitch.

Lands of Lore I can't even play, after selecting my character it blacks out and never comes back.

Thanks gewns!

Corridor fucked around with this message at Sep 10, 2009 around 13:48

Vidmaster
Oct 26, 2002


prismeclipser posted:

So I have a 360 and realized I only have four games for it which seems like a waste of a console.

I own Chromehounds, Saint's Row 2, Prototype, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. I was thinking of getting one of the Burnout games and Fable 2. I also dislike first person shooters. What would you guys would suggest?

Burnout: Paradise is fantastic, so if you get a Burnout game, make it that one. Revenge is pretty good too and is probably $10-15 now, but Paradise has a lot more stuff to do. Fable 2 is fun so that's a good call too.

Fallout 3 is great if you don't have it for PC already, as are Mass Effect and Bioshock. Dead Space is great too, easily one of the best games I've played in the last few years.

Some of the arcade games are really good too, if you have a hard drive, and there are demos for all of them.

Jack_tripper
Jun 7, 2009


doctor iono posted:

Do you have GTA IV? It's not as good as the earlier games in the series, in my opinion, but it's still definitely worth a play through, and you seem like to like sandbox games.

Seconding GTA IV just for the DLC. The Lost and Damned, starring a biker gang, replaces a lot of vanilla stuff with awesome versions i.e. combat shotgun. The upcoming Ballad of Gay Tony seems like it will work a lot of San Andreas in.

I'd also suggest Marvel Ultimate Alliance, because it's a fun pseudo RPG and you can find it for 5 bucks.

Vidmaster
Oct 26, 2002


Jack_tripper posted:

Seconding GTA IV just for the DLC. The Lost and Damned, starring a biker gang, replaces a lot of vanilla stuff with awesome versions i.e. combat shotgun. The upcoming Ballad of Gay Tony seems like it will work a lot of San Andreas in.

I'd also suggest Marvel Ultimate Alliance, because it's a fun pseudo RPG and you can find it for 5 bucks.

If you can hold off for a month, you can get Lost and Damned and the Ballad for $40 together on one disk, which saves you from buying vanilla GTA IV, which honestly isn't that great in comparison to the DLC.

Funso Banjo
Dec 22, 2003


prismeclipser posted:

So I have a 360 and realized I only have four games for it which seems like a waste of a console.

I own Chromehounds, Saint's Row 2, Prototype, and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. I was thinking of getting one of the Burnout games and Fable 2. I also dislike first person shooters. What would you guys would suggest?

Burnout Paradise is one of the strongest games on the platform. So I would recommend that. It's also, and I think without argument, the best supported game after release on the platform. They released an absolute ton of improvements with free DLC. Not fixes, but heaps of actual quality content.

Funso Banjo fucked around with this message at Sep 11, 2009 around 11:20

prismeclipser
May 2, 2008


Awesome, thank you very much guys!

Jetsetlemming
Dec 31, 2007

i'Am also a buetifule redd panda



doctor iono posted:

System Shock 2 is indeed great, will play Alien Vs. Predator 2.
IMO, AVP2 isn't nearly as scary as AVP1. They try to have more of a story, and there are more non-hostile NPCs (I can't really remember the first game having any at all actually), so it's got a whole different atmosphere.

Onkel Hedwig
Jun 27, 2007



Jetsetlemming posted:

IMO, AVP2 isn't nearly as scary as AVP1. They try to have more of a story, and there are more non-hostile NPCs (I can't really remember the first game having any at all actually), so it's got a whole different atmosphere.

Both are AVP1 and 2 are great games, but AVP1 had a different athmosphere.
Play as Alien: Creepy (crawl through tunnels and pierce human heads from above.
Play as Predator: Stealth-Shooter (Become invisible, shoot humans or gore them on your spear
Play as Marine: Horror (Run for your life / don't die)

Kassoon
Nov 16, 2005

gonna hit you with his cockatrice

I've played every single pure rpg roguelike there is in existence ever, so I'm trying some non-rpg quasi-roguelikes. I've played Spelunky which was fantastic, and Transcendence. Any others that are great?

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


I guess I'm alternating between obscure and general requests here.

What are some games where you start off with nothing, and you truly have to figure out everything for yourself - not just the game mechanics, but I mean the setting, how the world works, etc.

I always loved that about the Myst series - you had to do some serious, large-scale thinking and really figure out the world around you, instead of just solving lame puzzles.

Is there even anything like this?

scott14277
Dec 24, 2008

Such grace...


doctor iono posted:

I guess I'm alternating between obscure and general requests here.

What are some games where you start off with nothing, and you truly have to figure out everything for yourself - not just the game mechanics, but I mean the setting, how the world works, etc.

I always loved that about the Myst series - you had to do some serious, large-scale thinking and really figure out the world around you, instead of just solving lame puzzles.

Is there even anything like this?
I second (or third?) this request, again.
I've tried a few clones, but none have been able to go beyond rudimentary puzzles, and even then, they end up explaining the puzzle.
Let me see if I can explain better. In most of these games, the goal of each puzzle is to find the solution to it, usually some sort of color sequence or matching game. In the Myst puzzles, you don't even know what the puzzle is. You don't know what the category is, you don't know the solution. The tools to find the solution are also presented (so it's not a Guide Please), but they are not blatantly labeled "Solution to X". It is often presented as, say, a bit of research in the form of a table of values.
Let me know if we are thinking the same thing, Doc Iono

doctor iono
May 19, 2005

I LARVA YOU


scott14277 posted:

I second (or third?) this request, again.
I've tried a few clones, but none have been able to go beyond rudimentary puzzles, and even then, they end up explaining the puzzle.
Let me see if I can explain better. In most of these games, the goal of each puzzle is to find the solution to it, usually some sort of color sequence or matching game. In the Myst puzzles, you don't even know what the puzzle is. You don't know what the category is, you don't know the solution. The tools to find the solution are also presented (so it's not a Guide Please), but they are not blatantly labeled "Solution to X". It is often presented as, say, a bit of research in the form of a table of values.
Let me know if we are thinking the same thing, Doc Iono

Yep, this is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about.

John Cena
Oct 20, 2006

Outhustle, Outrespect, Out...loyal?


I've been on a real Metroid/Castlevania kick lately and basically ran through a bunch of those games. Are there any good games in the style of those? I've been suggested Cave Story before, but I really could not get into it. Like what are some good games that are somewhat open ended, have the focus primarily on exploration but still have an action element to them? (i.e. no Point n Clicks) Whether its a FPS or sidescroller, that's fine.

Jack_tripper
Jun 7, 2009


grody but still def posted:

I've been on a real Metroid/Castlevania kick lately and basically ran through a bunch of those games. Are there any good games in the style of those?

Do you have a 360? Shadow Complex is exactly what you're looking for and happens to be better than 75% of the full retail games.

Onkel Hedwig
Jun 27, 2007



doctor iono posted:

I guess I'm alternating between obscure and general requests here.

What are some games where you start off with nothing, and you truly have to figure out everything for yourself - not just the game mechanics, but I mean the setting, how the world works, etc.

I always loved that about the Myst series - you had to do some serious, large-scale thinking and really figure out the world around you, instead of just solving lame puzzles.

Is there even anything like this?

Notrium is a survival adventure game where you have to figure out lots of stuff by yourself. Not to the extent of Myth, but it's important stuff like where to find food, shelter and what makeshift items you can build out of spare parts. Also you need to do learn fast, otherwise you die.

From the HP:

quote:

You have crash-landed on planet Notrium. Your food supplies are running low, a pack of predatory aliens have got your scent. There are no more bullets for your pistol, your only weapon a handful of rocks. The night is coming, and you are desperately looking for wood to make a fire. Notrium is a game of Survival, Exploration and Action

An integral part of the game is finding enough food and supplies to survive through the cold, dark nights.

Exploring the alien ruins and bases you can find various items, which can be combined to make weapons and equipment.

Most of Notriumís inhabitants are not happy to see you. You can try getting past your enemies quietly, but often you will need either fast legs or a sharp aim.

Schurik
Sep 13, 2008

DEATH IS CERTAIN


Having finished Persona 3 and almost done with 4, I'm looking for some other long, story-driven RPGs in a contemporary setting, as that was a large part of the enjoyment with both of them. On PS2, Wii or PC. Anime is fine, as long as not everyone looks like they're five years old - the Persona style is pretty much the optimum and maximum. I'm guessing there are lots of people who asked themselves the same thing after they finished both, so shoot! Thanks!

Schurik fucked around with this message at Sep 12, 2009 around 11:43

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006



Schurik posted:

Having finished Persona 3 and almost done with 4, I'm looking for some other long, story-driven RPGs in a contemporary setting, as that was a large part of the enjoyment with both of them. On PS2, Wii or PC. Anime is fine, as long as not everyone looks like they're five years old - the Persona style is pretty much the optimum and maximum. I'm guessing there are lots of people who asked themselves the same thing after they finished both, so shoot! Thanks!
Suikoden V would be a good place, I think. That was the one I went straight to once I was done with Persona because it's the only other JRPG franchise I can take seriously, and which has a few nonshit characters. Voices are awful though. Turn those off. Also takes ages to get into regarding action and so forth.

Erebus
Jul 13, 2001

Okay... Keep your head, Steve boy...


Schurik posted:

Having finished Persona 3 and almost done with 4, I'm looking for some other long, story-driven RPGs in a contemporary setting, as that was a large part of the enjoyment with both of them. On PS2, Wii or PC. Anime is fine, as long as not everyone looks like they're five years old - the Persona style is pretty much the optimum and maximum. I'm guessing there are lots of people who asked themselves the same thing after they finished both, so shoot! Thanks!

If you're not completely burnt out on Megaten after two Personas, you could go for Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne. It's harder than the Persona games, and not as nearly as cheery, but it's a great game that would give you a different take on the whole demon battling thing.


I have a request of my own, though I don't know if it has an answer: I stopped playing the Tony Hawk games after Underground 2. Recently I've been struck with the urge to revisit the series, but what I really want would basically be Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5. I just wanna collect S-K-A-T-E and get high scores and poo poo, not ride a lawnmower with Bam Margera. Did any of the later games take a back-to-basics approach like that?

Schurik
Sep 13, 2008

DEATH IS CERTAIN


Corridor posted:

Suikoden V would be a good place, I think. That was the one I went straight to once I was done with Persona because it's the only other JRPG franchise I can take seriously, and which has a few nonshit characters. Voices are awful though. Turn those off. Also takes ages to get into regarding action and so forth.

Ah, I have no idea how I missed that! It looks great, pretty much exactly what I was looking for, so thanks. And regarding the slow start, well, I think the first time I got to actually do ANYTHING in P4 was three hours or so into the game, and I don't really mind, as long as the payoff is worth it.

e:

Erebus posted:

If you're not completely burnt out on Megaten after two Personas, you could go for Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne. It's harder than the Persona games, and not as nearly as cheery, but it's a great game that would give you a different take on the whole demon battling thing.

Yeah, I already looked into those, but I'm a bit scared of the difficulty. I still haven't beaten P3's boss (watched the ending on youtube), and I'm finding P4's "beginner" feels like a hard JRPG to me, so yeah, I'm bad at games. Also I can't seem to find PAL versions of it anywhere.. was it only releasaed in the US?

Schurik fucked around with this message at Sep 12, 2009 around 12:22

Zenith Nadir
Jul 3, 2008

my veins stand out like whipcords


Nocturne is called "Lucifer's Call" in PAL. God knows why because that is a Bad Name

Sir Unimaginative
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Zenith Nadir posted:

Nocturne is called "Lucifer's Call" in PAL. God knows why because that is a Bad Name

Someone else had the trademark to 'Nocturne'.

If you mean 'why not call it a third thing?', then I don't know, but they were probably constrained by either subcontract or release window.

Corridor
Oct 19, 2006



Schurik posted:

Ah, I have no idea how I missed that! It looks great, pretty much exactly what I was looking for, so thanks. And regarding the slow start, well, I think the first time I got to actually do ANYTHING in P4 was three hours or so into the game, and I don't really mind, as long as the payoff is worth it.

Erm, I forgot to mention that it's not a contemporary setting, but you've probably figured that out by now. It's sort of tongue-in-cheek fantasy with heavy political agendas. And the combat will be very dull after the Personas, but thankfully you won't really need to do it that much outside the 3 crappy dungeons. Plus there are so many ways to make gamebreaking amounts of money that you can just give everyone the best armour/runes instead of grinding much.

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John Cena
Oct 20, 2006

Outhustle, Outrespect, Out...loyal?


Jack_tripper posted:

Do you have a 360? Shadow Complex is exactly what you're looking for and happens to be better than 75% of the full retail games.

I just downloaded the demo (And holy crap do they give you more than enough content in the demo alone) and you are absolutely right. If I wasn't broke I'd be buying it right now.

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