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BANME.sh: Jan 23, 2008; What is this??
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This thread is about The Smashing Pumpkins and Billy Corgan's zany twitter updates since he re-united the band in 2005. The current band members are Billy Corgan, Jeff Schroeder (guitar), Mike Byrne (drums), and Nicole Fiorentino (bass). Jimmy Chamberlain left the band in 2007, leaving Billy as the only original member.

In July 2007, The Smashing Pumpkins released their first album since the breakup, called Zeitgeist. Later next year, Billy released an acoustic EP called American Gothic.

In September 2009, Billy introduced plans for an ambitious 44-song "album" that will span 11 four-track EPs called Teargarden by Kaleidyscope.

In May and November of 2010, Volume 1 and 2 of Teargarden are released, titled Songs for a Sailor and The Solstice Bare, respectively.

In April of 2011, Billy announced a new full length album part of the Teargarden collection, called Oceania (later released in June of 2012). He also announced plans to re-issue every previous Smashing Pumpkins album including bonus songs and live footage (he even kind of hinted at a possible release of the final Metro show in 2000 [maybe as a bonus DVD for the Machina re-issue??]). The re-issues will be available on both CD and Vinyl, which means we'll actually get a proper non-limited release of Machina II.

As of December 2012, Gish, Siamese Dream, Pisces Iscariot, and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness have been re-issued.

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NEWS

The Mellon Collie re-issue is released today. It includes 64 bonus songs and spans 3 extra CDs. The CD box set also comes with a bonus DVD of a live show filmed at Brixton Academy, London (1996) & bonus performances from Rockpalast (1996).

See the full insane track-list here: http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/alb...adness-reissue/

BANME.sh fucked around with this message at Dec 5, 2012 around 17:08

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# ¿ May 26, 2013 00:56

BANME.sh: Jan 23, 2008; What is this??
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I don't mind his voice nowadays, but honestly I hope he is a little more creative with the lyrics. I don't know if I can handle any more "come on, come on, come on" in his songs.

Zeitgeist had some potentially great sounding songs, but they ended up coming out muddy due to the production, I think.

BANME.sh fucked around with this message at Sep 17, 2009 around 02:15

# ¿ Sep 17, 2009 02:10

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A video has been posted of Billy in the studio performing a part from "Song for a Son", which I am hoping is on the new album:

http://www.twitvid.com/1CE36

oh, and an earlier one which appears to be just Billy jamming:

http://www.twitvid.com/8AD3B

# ¿ Oct 19, 2009 19:28

BANME.sh: Jan 23, 2008; What is this??
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I liked the live renditions of this song during their last tour. You can hear them at livesmashingpumpkins.com, though not for free.

edit: nevermind, you can stream lower bitrate preview.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2009 18:36

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All four songs from the first EP will be available for download when the other three songs are ready/finished. This is still a teaser, I guess.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2009 19:48

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So TMZ posted something about Billy apparently leaving a hotel with Jessica Simpson.

quote:

With rumors swirling that they are an item, Jessica Simpson put the final nail in the grunge rock coffin by being spotted leaving a NYC hotel the other day with former Smashing Pumpkins lead singer Billy Corgan.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/09/jessi...kin-connection/

# ¿ Dec 10, 2009 15:42

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Randomly browsing insound.com, I found this:

http://www.insound.com/Smashing_Pum...ain/p/INS72501/

Checked out smashingpumpkins.com and there was no information about it.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2010 17:35

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It's up now at http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/

It's... ehhh...

# ¿ Mar 2, 2010 18:14

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Arguments about setlists aside, billy still sounds good live, so I hope they (he) does another tour around western Canada before too long. Some of these songs might be salvageable in a live setting.

Actually song for a son is already awesome live

# ¿ Apr 21, 2010 19:11

BANME.sh: Jan 23, 2008; What is this??
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The first box set is $31.95, which isn't bad considering the nice little package you'll be getting.

http://store.smashingpumpkins.com/s...duct/tsp-cd-001

Though I am not sure if I want to even get it

# ¿ May 4, 2010 22:43

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Steve Winwood posted:

X X X
X X X
11-9 13
X X X
9 -7 11
0 -0 0

Okay, I am an idiot... I don't get it

# ¿ May 27, 2010 03:29

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Steve Winwood posted:

Ah, I wasn't trying to be cryptic - it's basically guitar 101 in the style of Billy Corgan. If you have an acoustic guitar then pluck it out and you'll go 'oh'.

well, I have no idea how to play guitar so it's pretty cryptic to me

# ¿ Jun 3, 2010 22:51

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Just gonna put these here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HttyHIfKuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siCPkx9WL5c

# ¿ Jun 4, 2010 02:39

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ChesterJT posted:

Been following Billy on Twitter for a while, mainly for laughs because its like watching a train wreck. Apparently Billy is a Chemtrail conspiracy nut now too. I'm just trying to figure out what point to imagine the band died in a fiery explosion and ignore everything that happened after that point.

You can follow @pirate_billy instead for added insanity - a little account I made that parrots all of his tweets in pirate-speak.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2010 03:40

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Remember when Korn had multiple covers for their album in 1999? It's hardly a new idea. And I can probably guarantee Korn wasn't the first either.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2010 14:51

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to me it always looked like james

# ¿ Jul 7, 2010 19:08

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MUFFlNS posted:

As Rome Burns and Superchrist are both freakin' amazing songs that as far as I'm concerned are on par with classic Pumpkins material.

I'd add Song for a Son and Gossamer to that list, although Gossamer could be trimmed a bit without losing much impact.

I did like the live versions of Song for a Son much better than the studio version, though.

# ¿ Jul 15, 2010 21:54

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I woke up from a dream this morning that I found the final metro show concert dvd for sale in a store. The album art looked pretty sweet

Then I woke up to hear the new song...

# ¿ Sep 14, 2010 15:57

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So, today part 2 of this silly EP project went up for sale at the Smashing Pumpkins store:

http://store.smashingpumpkins.com/s...duct/tsp-cd-002

It's about $10 less than part 1.

quote:

This physical-only four-song EP is a limited-edition, beautifully packaged CD & deluxe 12-inch vinyl picture disc with the four songs: "The Fellowship," "Freak," "Tom Tom" and "Spangled" as well as an unreleased B-side track, "Cottonwood Symphony." The lid covering the 12- inch box is a metallic/foil wallpaper motif, with a 1970's design by The Flavor Paper Co.

And despite part one being available in only ultra limited quantities, it's still in stock from May.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2010 19:51

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Apparently there were 99 alternate copies of Teargarden Vol. 1 released which included a special obelisk (made out of fools gold) and an alternate recording of Teargarden theme.

Somebody got one and uploaded pics + audio. Hopefully this doesnt constitute

as Billy tweeted it himself:

http://www.dextrus.net/teargarden.php

# ¿ Nov 29, 2010 16:37

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Teargarden Theme is a song, part of the Vol. 1 package. It's a vinyl release only. The alternate version was also included along with 99 out of the 10,000 copies made.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2010 17:45

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I was just thinking about the final Metro show, and how it was never released to the disappointment of many fans. I was gonna try sending Billy a message on twitter about it, but did some googling first, as I thought he probably gets asked about it a lot.

Turns out he spoke about the final show on facebook just a few days ago, as it was the 10th anniversary:

quote:

Firstly, he recalled how the band prepared for the 4-hour long set, with nearly 40 songs: �First thing that comes to mind is that we only had about 6 days to prepare the about 14 or so extra songs that we added to try to make the show both historic and memorable. normally this much work in such a short time would have been met with resistance, but everyone was in good spirits to have the 11 months of touring finally over.�

He also commented on his idea to record a new album during the band�s final stretch, which was met with resistance by other band members: �My original plan was to book the metro out for the whole month of January and make one last album, writing songs and recording them live in rehearsal and then playing them at night at the �shows��can�t remember how many shows we would have done per week? Maybe 3 or 4. [James] Iha and [Melissa] Auf Der Maur hated the idea and said no. A shame, could have been amazing. Band was tight at that point and i was motivated to write more.�

About the Metro show itself, he recalls the night�s awkward beginnings:
�We had been opening with 5 songs acoustic in Europe as a way to set a different tone because each night the audience was thinking they were seeing the band for the last time. there the audiences went with the somber beginning, and so i stupidly assumed that an American audience would go the same way with it. Wrong! once we finally lit it up with �glass� theme (song 6) the place went nuts.

�We played 38 songs i believe, over 4 hours of music. i had never played that long before, nor have i since. i wasn�t even sure my voice would hold up that long, but it did. actually it got stronger as the night went on. the first song was �rocket�, which we were supposed to play after the mellon collie theme intro, which was played off a cd. the theme finished, i lit into the opening riff of �rocket�.

�Unfortunately, no one turned off the cd, , so as i was playing i heard �tonight, tonight� come blaring out of the p.a�.classic SP gently caress-up for trying to be fancy. the show as i remember was fairly good, but incredibly hot and at about 90 min in the crowd was just totally worn out. i thoughtto myself �wow, we got a long way to go!�

�Act 2 honestly felt like a sad funeral, and people started talking. i felt the whole thing slipping away from me, but i realized that it was all part of the journey of death that we were on. life moves on, and when the show was over i too had to move on. i honestly thought that it would be the last time i would play most of these songs, and it felt good to let them go.

�Act three was designed to bring the energy back up, and it did. the last encore i think was �silverfuck�, which had a lot of improvisation in it. it wasn�t all planned out, and i remember thinking of my deceased mother alot. it all came down to �where was mommy?� in the end of it all, as it begins so does it end. i turned to look at Jimmy and said �that�s it�, and it ended without form best as i remember.

�I broke down on stage crying but i remember being quite embarassed about it. i�ve thought about that moment many times, and i wish in hindsight that i�d let myself just have a good cry right then and there, because you won�t find yourself in a spot like that many times in your life. after we had a little party, playing dvd bootlegs of the band on a screen on stage.

�Once it was over, there was a shift, so playing the videos felt like watching a car crash again and again. it was overkill for everyone, including me. pictures and Chopin would have been better. i asked where James was, and someone had said he had left, without saying goodbye to me or Jimmy, a real final gently caress you in my eyes. outside of a phone conversation about business in 2001, i haven�t seen him since

About the possibility of releasing the final show, Corgan added:

�One more thing: please stop asking about the show ever coming out (i say this good heartedly). it will come out when the time is right. it should have come out in 2001 but EMI squashed it, and we got the rights back. hopefully it will be put out one day when tall he albums get re-issued. it would make sense for it to come out with the Machina era stuff.�

�I think as more time goes by we all should look at SP as having 2 totally different eras, �old school� and �new school� or whatever. call it what you want, the SP of 2005-2010 and counting has been a different animal, albeit with similar goals set in a different world. ��old� SP ended exactly 10 years ago this night, and it a�int ever coming back. from my vantage point, that�s a good thing. that band will never sell out and never grow old gracefully (because honestly it couldn�t). long live SP 1987-2000 a great loving band when it was �on�. and a nightmare when it was �off�. thanks for checking out these thoughts/memories, love BC�

source: http://www.antiquiet.com/news/2010/...ins-show-metro/

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# ¿ Dec 9, 2010 23:27

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big business sloth posted:

That basically confirms for me how I've always thought Iha was just as self centered as Billy. I think I remember reading that even during SD/MCIS recordings he really was only interested in his own songs, which frankly I've never been impressed by. Maybe Blew Away, maybe.

The video for An Ode to No One from the Greatest Hits DVD is still one of my favorite live SP videos, and I always thought the "wtf" face James makes at the camera (when Billy goes off script a bit) was funny... in a playful way. I guess it turns out he really was just sick of Billy's poo poo.

edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_evk2R4wGU#t=160s

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# ¿ Dec 10, 2010 00:24

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daaaang, oh well. I am pretty satisfied with the recording of it from that recent DVD

# ¿ Dec 11, 2010 07:05

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It's probably nothing, but http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ shows a generic server message today:

quote:

You see this page because you have set up your Web server for serving a new site, but have not uploaded the site content yet.

Could be that they're launching a new site, or maybe just switched hosting providers. Hoping for some news about Teargarden Vol. 3

# ¿ Jan 29, 2011 23:36

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What the hell...

BANME.sh fucked around with this message at Feb 11, 2011 around 18:16

# ¿ Feb 11, 2011 18:13

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Well I like to think that its true. That the girl grew up enamored with the band since she appeared on a fairly successful album cover. Was inspired to learn bass guitar, and when the chance arose to audition for the band, she went for it.

Then I read this from wikipedia:

quote:

Shortly after the Pumpkins reformed in 2007, Corgan posted a message to the band's blog saying that they were "[l]ooking for girls from Siamese Dream album cover... As you all know, they were quite young when the photo was taken. They are not conjoined anymore, as far as we know." The band's intentions for the search were never made clear.[27] In February, 2011 Billy Corgan announced via Twitter that not only had one of the girls been found, she was none other than current bassist for the Pumpkins, Nicole Fiorentino. According to Corgan, "Just found out the weirdest news: our bass player Nicole just admitted she is one of the girls on the cover of Siamese Dream"[28]

It also mentions that the album booklet was composed of family members and strangers

So....

# ¿ Feb 18, 2011 20:40

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Maybe Billy is the gullible one here... ya know, cuz of all those chemtrails and such

# ¿ Feb 19, 2011 05:51

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Billy posted:

new SP song most likely coming out next week...putting final pieces in place now

# ¿ Mar 10, 2011 20:23

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Maybe he got the rights back to some old SP material. Or the metro show is getting released finally

But that's probably not it

# ¿ Apr 23, 2011 01:54

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This is amazing news. SP has always had a loud, fuzzed-out sound so I don't really see a remaster being a negative thing. I am super excited about owning Mellon Collie on vinyl without paying $200-300. That, and Machina I and II in it's originally intended order will be really sweet to hear.

Also a tiny hint of finally seeing the Metro show

# ¿ Apr 26, 2011 17:19

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Propaganda Hour posted:

Jesus, I/Mary Star of the Sea is the best drat song to jam on

Now listen to The Width of a Circle by David Bowie

# ¿ May 4, 2011 03:45

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Billy posted a link to where you can sign up to the "smashing pumpkins record club" which will get you a free MP3 of an 8-track demo of Drown.

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ (the button on the top right)

There's also a video where he talks about the making of the song.

Also below you can click one of the loudspeaker graphics to download a song called 'Suicide Kiss Geek No Vox'. Dunno if that's been around before and I just missed it, but there you go.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2011 21:56

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LtTennisBall posted:

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/reissues

pre-orders for the first two reissues are out. they include the remastered album, 15 (for Gish) and 17 (for Siamese Dream) unreleased/alternative songs on the second disc, and a live dvd in each. Also some other random things (pictures and stuff) and new cover art. The vinyl reissue is just the album reissued on vinyl. This all seems pretty drat cool, but it also seems pretty expensive, at least for the vinyl. (The reissue of Siamese Dream is 27 dollars for one lp, which is just stupid, though not unprecedented when it comes to vinyl reissues)

I wish you could get the bonus extras on a vinyl release, but oh well. When viewing the details for the CD set, I saw this "DVD - Live At The Metro" and almost had a heart attack... Until I saw the date was 1990

# ¿ Oct 18, 2011 03:08

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So yeah, the deluxe editions of Gish and Siamese Dream are hitting peoples doorsteps now, so we're finally able to hear how the remasters sound.

Overall, everything is a little louder and crisper. No brickwall mastering, which is nice. The bonus discs are amazing.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2011 23:07

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I don't know if you guys are saying that in a good or bad way

# ¿ Nov 30, 2011 22:51

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LtTennisBall posted:

I found the physical TAFH box set for like 30 bucks used. That was a good day.

I was at an "everything for a dollar" thrift store and I spotted the black and white spiral CD box from across the room and I thought to myself "holy, what a score". But it was empty. I even searched the CD section in case they were maybe dumped there, but no dice

# ¿ Dec 9, 2011 22:57

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So, Oceania is going to be released June 19th

https://twitter.com/#!/Billy/status/184725162061594624

# ¿ Mar 27, 2012 19:55

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Oceania is now up for pre-order

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/store/spoceania/

Prices are actually not too crazy. $25 for double LP + digital download. There are a whole bunch of other options, some including a tote bag

# ¿ May 29, 2012 15:01

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holy cow

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