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I'm not gonna lie, this blew me away. Now, bear in mind I'm not saying it is the best song ever or anything, but I was expecting really spaced-out, lovely, sentimental pop songs. Turns out, he still does have some good stuff left.
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| # ¿ Dec 7, 2009 19:27 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 18:13 |
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Yeah wow, that song sucks rear end. Hopefully the next one is as good as Song for a Son otherwise I'm just going to start ignoring it again.
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| # ¿ Jan 18, 2010 22:18 |
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Starsnostars posted:Or maybe just that little bit further to the Batman single, if he's feeling adventurous. "Eye" is pretty loving cool, too.
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| # ¿ Jan 31, 2010 23:56 |
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Space Cadet posted:Untitled from what I remember was basically Billy giving everyone one last "gently caress You" by proving that if he chose to he could pound out a hit single in a short time period and with minimal studio time in response to all the criticism of his latest works at the time and people saying that he had lost his ability to pen a good song. Had Billy chosen he could have poo poo out multiple albums of pop music that would have sold, topped charts, and in his eyes tarnished his career, integrity, and vision for his music. So the next time you hear Untitled remember, he didn't write more like that out of spite and you and everyone else has been cheated out of some sweet pop music. Also, remember that bullshit albums like Zeitgeist are what Billy Corgan thinks to be "important music that is changing the world." So, every time he accidentally hatches an egg like Song for a Son, cherish it because right after, he's going to push out four Widow Wake My Mind quality tracks.
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| # ¿ Feb 2, 2010 11:58 |
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MONDO MEDICALS posted:All my complaints with Zeitgeist are related to Billy's voice. As soon as I heard the album for the first time and Doomsday Clock kicked off I was thinking "Oh, this sounds good..." and then Billy's voice came on and my thoughts changed to "Why's he talking instead of singing?!" which persisted for the duration of my listen to the album. I dunno if he just can't sing how he used to anymore (which the new material kinda suggests) but it's a shame, the right vocals would have made Zeitgeist much more enjoyable for me. Yeah, his voice isn't doing well. For more evidence, listen to some bootlegs from the 20th anniv. tour. The old songs that he is supposed to sing, he doesn't really sing. He just kind of singy-talks, like you're saying. Some of those shows were really cool though. I ended up buying the 12/7 aragon ballroom show just because it had the best setlist. Really cool concert all in all.
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| # ¿ Feb 3, 2010 14:29 |
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yeah. Song for a Son is a really good song. Widow Wake My Mind loving sucks, and this one is just kind of in the middle. It isn't terrible, but this is one of those songs you listen to and never once think about again. If I were to say the words "black swan" or "neverlost" then you know exactly what I mean. So far, we've got two songs that are completely throw away and one good one. Oh well.
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| # ¿ Mar 3, 2010 13:36 |
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The Black Stones posted:Wanna be a bassist or keyboardist for the Pumpkins? Here's your chance! - http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/pressrelease.php I thought Ginger took off after she had a baby? Maybe Billy will say he impregnated her in order that she would have a baby, thus leaving the band to make way for a new under-21 keyboardist.
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| # ¿ Mar 14, 2010 14:25 |
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First Pete Steele kicks it, and then this comes out. What a week, man.
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| # ¿ Apr 17, 2010 00:33 |
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I'm torn between thinking the song is so weird it's cool and laughing my rear end off because of how stupid parts of it sound. If it wasn't Billy Corgan making it, I'd think it was a joke and it would thus be a great one. It IS billy though, and he has never made a joke in his whole life. Furthermore, he is now certifiably insane, so I'm pretty sure he thinks this is a real hum-dinger of a neat song. Therefore, it is shameful.
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| # ¿ Apr 17, 2010 20:56 |
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Matteo44 posted:Wow Astral Planes is just amazingly bad. Listened to it once and that will be the last time I ever voluntarily hear it. Problem is, he's already had what I consider one "gem" in Song for a Son and one pretty good track in Stitch in Time. At this rate we will have four gems and four good cuts. So, eight songs that are cool to listen to over a period of what did he say? Two years? Anyway, this guy needs a loving editor. Peter Jackson, Stephen King and Billy Corgan. All of these men need to hire someone to tell them when to stop.
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| # ¿ Apr 22, 2010 11:14 |
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A new tour. On the one hand, I really don't want to shell out $50 to see a bunch of terrible Kaleidyscope songs noodled around with live, but Pumpkins concerts were some of the best I've ever seen. I've got the choice of tampa or orlando, both pretty good venues. Uhhhh what to do, what to do
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| # ¿ Jun 4, 2010 13:30 |
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a sad model posted:http://twitter.com/Billy I think he's raging against the toronto law passed for a few days to keep rabble rousers away from the G20 meeting site. This is both insane and makes sense. It is insane because, well, he's crazy. It makes sense because he has started writing conspiracy theory poo poo about "chem trails" and other things to rival the Montauk Project, so this is right up his alley. Shouldn't be long before we've got a THE TRUTH ABOUT 9-11 By Billy Corgan.
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| # ¿ Jun 26, 2010 12:29 |
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In his defense though, if the internet had been around in the 60s and 70s for musicians to vomit on, I can't even imagine what we'd think of Jim Morrison.
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| # ¿ Jun 26, 2010 14:36 |
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So, new song is up on the website. "Freak" it is called. It is at least different sounding from the other ones. That doesn't mean it is good. I'm presently at war with myself over whether or not to go see them. I guess the setlists will decide that.
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| # ¿ Jul 6, 2010 15:05 |
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fastpork posted:Posting about favorite SP songs and no one has mentioned "Set The Ray To Jerry"? Do you guys have any soul? It sounds kinda cheesy and nostalgic, but that's because I'm kinda drunk. Listening to this song, and some others reminds me of why I give a poo poo about the ridiculous stuff that billy keeps pumping out. This music is a big, big part of my sordid, unsettled youth, and I can't help but keep coming back to it. Uggghhhhhh Tampa show or not. I just can't make up my mind.
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| # ¿ Jul 9, 2010 02:27 |
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Deltron 3030 posted:Anybody else going to the Columbus show tomorrow night? I don't think I have the patience to get in line early enough to catch the soundcheck but I'm really excited. Please tell me if he can still sing "Hummer" right. This will basically decide if I go or not.
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| # ¿ Jul 9, 2010 13:07 |
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Grojlach posted:He'll probably play every song you wanna hear, although not necessarily in the version you prefer. He will also play a lot (and I mean a lot) of songs even hardcore fan boys don't care much for. So take that as you will. I've been checking them. The one surprise was "Eye" which I never thought would make a live comeback.
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| # ¿ Jul 14, 2010 11:17 |
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deadhoarse posted:Eye was played regularly on the 2008 tour though. It's a bit disappointing that the only "old" tracks played so far were singles. Haha, boy am I a doofus. I agree with you on part two, although that isn't surprising. I remember at the end of the anniversary tour, Billy saying that he wasn't going to dig old songs out anymore. At least he's playing some of them. Imagine what two full hours of zeitgeist and kaleidyscope would be like. It'd be really cool to hear him do a take on Geek or something.
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| # ¿ Jul 14, 2010 18:25 |
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In the last ten years, we have all aged ten years. Most of us grew ten years more mature. Billy Corgan did not.
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| # ¿ Jul 14, 2010 22:00 |
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Pizza Club posted:Even before the reunion he has said that there *could* be a SP reunion, but never Zwan (they were immoral people). Everything Billy has said the last couple years has been pretty much, "If I'm going down, I'm going down my way and if I fail, I won't regret it." Dying in his own creative juices? Maybe, but at least there's some honor in that. I've never understood the zwan thing. I saw them more than once... twice? three times? I donno, but more than once. Anyway, every time, the band was tight, the performance was excellent, and everyone was smiling and joking around. Everyone was for all appearances having a good time. Only after they went their separate ways did BC come out with all the judging and such about everyone that wasn't Jimmy. I wonder what kind of poo poo he'll talk about Mike Burne in a couple years. It just seems like too weird of a coincidence that everyone Billy has ever had as a bandmate with the exception of Jimmy was a terrible person. Also it is very weird that it takes several years for him to figure this out. edit: Zwan seemed like they just decided to stop working together. Of course, it happened in the middle of a tour, so whatever.
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| # ¿ Jul 15, 2010 16:36 |
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Happy Hippo posted:Them smiling onstage is not indicative of anything other than they're having a good time at that particular moment. Well, right. However, a great many pumpkins shows I attended were very dour affairs with the band not even bothering to look at one another for most of the show. See, for example, any Adore-era show that came through Dallas.
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| # ¿ Jul 15, 2010 19:56 |
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Steve Winwood posted:How many drugs was Billy on back in the day - there's no real mention of it anywhere. He wrote some long winded confessional for sp.com a few years back. He didn't really mention any drugs except during the adore era when he said he was doing lots of ecstacy all the time. Apparently this is incorrect information according to the new Billy!
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| # ¿ Jul 15, 2010 23:12 |
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hatelull posted:Yeah, I don't know. I was pulling the interview from very mashed up memory. The point is in answer to "did Billy ever do drugs", I think he made reference to such in an interview around the time Jimmy got fired and said somethign to the effect of "well yeah, I partied too but no one ever died over it ... he was an addict and has no place in my band yadda yadda yadda please still dig me while I go make an album of 'arcane night music'" (which was really really good, and it was an awesome live show I don't care what people say). Yeah, the Adore shows were pretty loving great. I don't get what you're saying with the "leak" stuff. These songs are being released by him. This is his plan for the record.
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| # ¿ Jul 16, 2010 14:37 |
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The Black Stones posted:Download "Spangled" here -> http://www.sweetrelief.org/ This.. uh.. actually sounds Pumpkiny. By that, I mean it isn't great or anything, but I could definitely see this being some kind of deep track on a record that was really good. Not bad at all.
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| # ¿ Sep 14, 2010 21:16 |
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iamthejeff posted:It's probably nothing, but http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/ shows a generic server message today: That Fellowship song that was posted up a week or two ago was a pretty okay song. I'm actually more impressed with some of the new material than I thought I would have been. It is growing on me. Well, some of it anyway.
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| # ¿ Jan 30, 2011 15:38 |
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Uh, gently caress me, this song is awesome.
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| # ¿ Mar 17, 2011 17:04 |
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Bubble-T posted:Super happy news: Billy Corgan will never tweet or blog or say dumb things to the media or any of that stuff ever again. The happy news is that god and the universe are all one and you are a part of the divine being
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| # ¿ Apr 10, 2011 13:30 |
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Happy Hippo posted:Some of you guys are acting like it's a given but Billy said that they might combine and remaster the Machina albums. No, he said the remaster and combination of Machina I/II is definite. The "maybe" was that he was thinking about doing a full remix of the sound for both albums.
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| # ¿ Apr 26, 2011 19:33 |
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I can't remember, and don't have access to them right now, but which album/release has the better (non-electronic) version of 'Here's to the Atom Bomb'? Just like Blissed + Gone. The electro-version is pretty awful but the acoustic one is gorgeous. Who knows, "its Bill.. er William Patrick Corgan."
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 11:05 |
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Happy Hippo posted:I thought that Gish got remastered about 10 years ago... Am I just making poo poo up? As far as I know it isn't actually remastered. When they switched record labels from Caroline to EMI they re-issued Gish with a slightly different graphic on the CD. If your cd has the purple disc with a picture in a circle that's the old one. They might've remastered it, but hosed if I can tell a difference.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 11:14 |
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hatelull posted:This is the only additional information I could find from a quick search of blamo.org and spfc.org. SP albums have a "timeless" sound to them because of the uniqueness of the fuzz and also Butch Vig's genius production. Remastering is not necessary at all, and will probably be detrimental. What WOULD be cool is if he did something like Trent Reznor did/is doing with the NIN back catalog. If there are weird sound problems, fix those. Otherwise just mix it into 5.1 and add some out takes. What I can see the use of would be getting them all in one place (itunes, amazon mp3 whatever) because last I checked there wasn't much SP presence on itunes. That was admittedly quite awhile ago though so that may be inaccurate. Oh I forgot - Machina II could use some cleaning up. I don't mean the removal of the vinyl "warmth" or the vaseliney production because those are a part of the album's sound. I mean getting rid of some of the weird poo poo like popping and hissing that probably came from it being vinyl rip. edit: I think realistically he won't do much of anything to the old albums because he seems pretty over it at this point. If anything he'll reorder and combine machina to his "original vision" and get on with the Teargarden stuff which honestly I'm pretty optimistic about after the past few tracks. I hate to say "billy is back guys!!!!" but he definitely seems to be on the right track lately. He's even dialed back the crazy somewhat. edit 2: is he getting more protein in his diet and steady sex these days? That was pretty much all he needed I think. Platypus Farm fucked around with this message at Apr 27, 2011 around 14:31 |
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Steve Winwood posted:Just a reminder that the production on Mellon Collie is all over the place and some of those tracks could use a spit shine. Oh yeah, I forgot about this. Still though, a spit shine is a lot different than a full on remaster. I hope it stays more on the "polish out rough spots" side than "cut out the kazoos" side.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 14:51 |
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hatelull posted:Does the vinyl version of Machina have anything to do with his original vision? My vinyl has a slight reordering of tracks ("Age of Innocence" is not the end track) and there is the addition of "Speed Kills" (SIYL B-Side version) to the album. I always wondered if these changes were intentional and add to the supposed concept album cohesion, or if it just ended up that way because it's vinyl and the track ordering was required due to length restrictions on each side. Yeah I always wondered about that. Age of Innocence is, I think, a really good album closer so I don't much care for the vinyl order. But yeah, I have no idea if that was intentional or just a logistic requirement. Also, Speed Kills is a loving great song.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 15:43 |
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Forgot something. At least one of these loving things better have a proper version of Moleasskiss on it. Best pumpkins song ever.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 20:16 |
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Okay so I'm making an official list to send to Willie. Moleasskiss, Alabaster (loving great song) and a good LMGTWTY (also very good). I also will humbly request Towers of Rabble which is bad rear end. RE: LMGTWTY - there's a quite good recording of it from a KROQ Christmas show from 1999 or 2000. Pretty high quality. Also a good one from 2000 at the Viper Room.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2011 23:44 |
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LtTennisBall posted:ever heard the one from the Adore Demos? I guess it counts as a bootleg, but gently caress it is absolutely perfect. And the studio version is really good, so I guess that's saying something. The adore demos are absolutely great, but I don't think LMGTWTY was on that. A beautiful blissed and gone yeah, but no "world", unless you have a copy I don't in which case  edit whoa whoa there's a 17 track version? What the gently caress? Last I knew the 7 tracker was the only one. I've got some finding to do.
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| # ¿ Apr 28, 2011 00:13 |
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LtTennisBall posted:I have two titled "Adore Demos I" and "Adore Demos II" The one you have is I (7 tracks, which has a For Martha instrumental and an acoustic Blissed and Gone). The other one is II, 17 tracks with acoustic LMGTWTY, an odd electric Blissed and Gone, a demo of Soot and Stars, among other things. Both are awesome, but the LMGTWTY is fantastic quality (for a demo). Yeah poo poo, I just found out about this. I haven't followed the bootleg scene for years. Now I have to find this somewhere that isn't expired like the NSPAA apparently is haha.
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| # ¿ Apr 28, 2011 00:48 |
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Murder McMurderson posted:Hi, I'm Murder McMurderson, and I own ThePumpkins.net Ahhhhh okay, if this is the same one from MAD then it is quite nice. Thanks for the songs! I can't believe that I missed this. Ohhhhh yes. Good god I love this song. I can't tell you how happy you two have made me. The old Adore demos was some of my favorite pumpkins stuff, and to find out there's more
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| # ¿ Apr 28, 2011 01:29 |
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LtTennisBall posted:no problem. It's kind of insane cause they're all pretty high quality, complete demos. And also thanks to you and my other benefactor, I now have the Hideout tracks from Zwan that I haven't heard since the great hard drive crash of 2005. I bet if we told Billy about this he'd put it on twitter. Speaking of things that NEED studio presentations: half of Zwan's live material was loving amazing and never released. That's a tragedy. I saw them.. what, 3 times in 2002-03 and those were better than any pumpkins show I ever saw. Of course, the chances we'll see Glorious or Chrysanthemum or any number of other things are pretty slim Platypus Farm fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2011 around 01:44 |
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LtTennisBall posted:does he even acknowledge Zwan existed anymore? Hasn't said anything about in forever, which is really sad because those were some of his best songs. Mind you, the album sucked pretty hard, but live it was a thing to behold. It is like the christmas for smashing pumpkins fans ^^^^^^^^^^^ of course, no one cares about his solo record or zeitgeist and like four people care about zwan. Platypus Farm fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2011 around 01:59 |
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