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Ulysses S. Grant
Aug 23, 2007

I can't spare this man - he fights.


THESE SOCKS? posted:

Unfortunately, yes. Depending on where you're located and what kind of plan you're looking for, though, the new goPhone plan ($60 unlimited talk and text) might be a better option anyway.

Yeah - I had heard about that. Is there a web option for it?

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Ratzinc
Aug 14, 2004

MY BALLS ARE THE SIZE OF GRAPEFRUITS

I believe you sign up for the 25 cent plan and then log into your account and add the unlimited talk and text plan.

Ulysses S. Grant
Aug 23, 2007

I can't spare this man - he fights.


Ratzinc posted:

I believe you sign up for the 25 cent plan and then log into your account and add the unlimited talk and text plan.

Oops - I meant unlimited data. I'm considering an iPhone but a $200 deposit is a bit much for my tastes.

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


Ulysses S. Grant posted:

Oops - I meant unlimited data. I'm considering an iPhone but a $200 deposit is a bit much for my tastes.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but for the record, we can't activate goPhone lines on iPhones.

Ratzinc
Aug 14, 2004

MY BALLS ARE THE SIZE OF GRAPEFRUITS

Yeah you can add 100 mb of data for 20 bucks, no unlimited data on this plan though.

Wiggly
Aug 26, 2000

Number one on the ice, number one in my heart

Follow-up to my previous question about purchasing an iPhone. What are the thoughts about purchasing Apple Care for the phone?

Understeer
Sep 14, 2004

Now with more front end grip.

When oh when will AT&T get an Android phone? Seems more and more like they plan on riding the iPhone all the way through 2011.

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


Understeer posted:

When oh when will AT&T get an Android phone? Seems more and more like they plan on riding the iPhone all the way through 2011.

2010, by Dell, but we'll probably sell as many Android phones as we do Windows Mobile phones.

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

Is there any way to avoid signing up for the $30 data plan for non-iPhones? I have no use for it.

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


MasterSlowPoke posted:

Is there any way to avoid signing up for the $30 data plan for non-iPhones? I have no use for it.

Unfortunately, the only way around it is to buy either a non-smartphone or an unlocked smartphone that AT&T does not sell.

dexter6
Sep 22, 2003

Volunteer Fire Fighter

I've had an unlocked 2G (original) iPhone on AT&T for over a year now without a contract or data plan. If I decide I finally want to go legit and add the data plan, can I just start paying $20 more a month but still not be under contract?

Fantastipotamus
Nov 19, 2002

Nothing's wrong. Nothing is wrong. Everything is on track.

Hmm, I did some international travel recently, and I added the 20mb int'l data plan coverage. I think they prorated it though (I added it a week or so into the month), because it currently shows online that I used 23mb of data, which is showing an overage of 8mb or so.

Two questions:

a) Can I get that NOT prorated for the full month if I go to my ATT store? I mean, first off, prorating is stupid because I just want the full 20mb as I was only there for a week. This would drop my overage to 3mb or so.

b) it says my overage charge is $0.005, which is per kb I assume? so it's $5/mb over overage charges, so I'm currently looking at $40+ over overage charges, yes?

Understeer
Sep 14, 2004

Now with more front end grip.

dexter6 posted:

I've had an unlocked 2G (original) iPhone on AT&T for over a year now without a contract or data plan. If I decide I finally want to go legit and add the data plan, can I just start paying $20 more a month but still not be under contract?

They let me sign up with no contract when I brought in an original iPhone last year.

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


dexter6 posted:

I've had an unlocked 2G (original) iPhone on AT&T for over a year now without a contract or data plan. If I decide I finally want to go legit and add the data plan, can I just start paying $20 more a month but still not be under contract?

I don't even think we have the option to add the original iPhone plan in the store. You might have to do it through iTunes. Either way, just changing the equipment on your line doesn't affect your contract.

dexter6
Sep 22, 2003

Volunteer Fire Fighter

THESE SOCKS? posted:

I don't even think we have the option to add the original iPhone plan in the store. You might have to do it through iTunes. Either way, just changing the equipment on your line doesn't affect your contract.
I thought by activating in iTunes you're automatically extending your contract?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

dexter6 posted:

I thought by activating in iTunes you're automatically extending your contract?

It dont.

THESE SOCKS? posted:

I don't even think we have the option to add the original iPhone plan in the store. You might have to do it through iTunes. Either way, just changing the equipment on your line doesn't affect your contract.

We dont. Unless someone in your store has telegence.

THESE SOCKS? posted:

Unfortunately, the only way around it is to buy either a non-smartphone or an unlocked smartphone that AT&T does not sell.

Or a smartphone we do carry off ebay.
We arnt doing sweeps to add data plans on lines with phones we didnt sell, its only for the people who buy them through at&t.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at Oct 26, 2009 around 03:40

MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

Someone a few posts higher said that ATT will soon start sweeps, any confirmation on that?

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


MasterSlowPoke posted:

Someone a few posts higher said that ATT will soon start sweeps, any confirmation on that?

That's what I've been told by my manager. Supposedly, they'll happen every other month. I've also heard that it will pick up any smartphone that AT&T carries, not just ones that we sold.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

THESE SOCKS? posted:

That's what I've been told by my manager. Supposedly, they'll happen every other month. I've also heard that it will pick up any smartphone that AT&T carries, not just ones that we sold.

Ive seen zero info they will be doing sweeps and forcing data packages on customers who didnt OK it.

Snooper picks up what phone the customer has. So its possibly they may check, but they cant add a 30 dollar a month feature without the customers concent. thats slamming, and its a huge no no that at&t dont approve of. You should know this.

its the same thing as the blackjack2 getting medianet added instead of pda personal. Reps are retards in alot of places, and they added the wrong data plan for years, at&t said "wtf", and reps STILL dont think its a smart phone and add medianet.

Same deal with the new PDA policy. If its bought FROM AT&T AS AN UPGRADE OR NEW LINE itll get stuck with data. If its bought no commitment or ebay, they wont say or do poo poo.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


Can I change a line on my family plan to the primary line? I just tried to get the Tilt2 from letstalk.com for $99, but I couldn't do it because the line I want to upgrade isn't the primary line.

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


EbolaIvory posted:

Snooper picks up what phone the customer has. So its possibly they may check, but they cant add a 30 dollar a month feature without the customers concent. thats slamming, and its a huge no no that at&t dont approve of. You should know this.

I know that reps definitely aren't allowed to add the data feature just because they notice there's a smartphone listed on the account. The Wireless Service Agreement you sign when you activate your phone, however, says this:

AT&T posted:

Data Plans: An eligible data plan is required for certain devices, including iPhones and other designated Smartphones and PDAs. Eligible data plans cover data usage in the U.S. and do not cover international data usage and charges. If it is determined that you are using an iPhone or other designated Smartphone or PDA without an eligible data plan, AT&T reserves the right to add an eligible data plan to your account and bill you the appropriate monthly fee.

So while reps aren't going to start slamming lines with $30 data features, AT&T, as a company, may start exercising that right.

Thermopyle posted:

Can I change a line on my family plan to the primary line? I just tried to get the Tilt2 from letstalk.com for $99, but I couldn't do it because the line I want to upgrade isn't the primary line.

I've heard that it's possible, but I've also heard that it's pretty difficult.

BrandonLakeTruck
Jan 10, 2004
dog poster its a hell of a ride

Thermopyle posted:

Can I change a line on my family plan to the primary line? I just tried to get the Tilt2 from letstalk.com for $99, but I couldn't do it because the line I want to upgrade isn't the primary line.

Call 611. The procedure for changing a main line takes about 5 seconds.

Also, I thought I would weigh in about smartphones and data plans but it's the level of enforcement that is hard to determine at the moment. At this point I would say don't expect to be able to convince any reps to set you up with a PDA in the system without them tossing on the data plan but I wouldn't worry about system sweeps and all that jazz since the iPhone ones didn't seem to do anything at all other than stop the Internet from working if your IMEI in the billing system was an iPhone but you didn't have the data plan.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


BrandonLakeTruck posted:

Call 611. The procedure for changing a main line takes about 5 seconds.

Is there any reason I couldn't change my main line multiple times? Like, change it to one line order the $99 Tilt2 and then change it to another line and order another $99 Tilt2.

BrandonLakeTruck
Jan 10, 2004
dog poster its a hell of a ride

Thermopyle posted:

Is there any reason I couldn't change my main line multiple times? Like, change it to one line order the $99 Tilt2 and then change it to another line and order another $99 Tilt2.

The price you're getting for that main line is based on your 3 month average revenue for that number. That is in most cases. Changing the main line to a different number wouldn't boost up the "ARPU" of that line so pricing would still be whatever it was before it was the main line.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

"That which can be destroyed by the truth should be." Do not flinch from experiences that might destroy your beliefs. The thought you cannot think controls you more than thoughts you speak aloud.


Another related question. Can't I just order the phone for the main line and then swap sim cards? The only holdup I can think of is that our main line is like 5 years old, so they'll probably ship us a new one...could I just put that new one in the old phone and then put the sim card from the line I really want to upgrade into the new phone? The sim card from the line I really want to upgrade is fairly new.

chocolateTHUNDER
Jul 19, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!


Is there a website that shows future tmobile cell towers?

TraderStav
May 19, 2006
At least that dreadful man has gone. For now.


Good morning AT&Trs. I have a decent 19% discount through the company that I work for on my iPhone plan and am considering getting my wife an iPhone for the holidays and add it to my plan. Can I buy the iPhone at the Apple Store or AT&T store and get it added without any hassles or losing discounts on one or the other or do I need to go through the online store that I purchased mine from? I figure that I can, but just wanted to avoid a headache if there was a non-obvious obstacle.

Thanks!

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

THESE SOCKS? posted:

I know that reps definitely aren't allowed to add the data feature just because they notice there's a smartphone listed on the account. The Wireless Service Agreement you sign when you activate your phone, however, says this:


So while reps aren't going to start slamming lines with $30 data features, AT&T, as a company, may start exercising that right.


I've heard that it's possible, but I've also heard that it's pretty difficult.


I got confirmation about the whole thing. Ended up having to go up the chain near to vpgm, but got a real answer.

The ONLY phone they are "sweeping" data plans on (unless bought with a 2 year contract) is the iPhone (Note, it may be possible to get around that as well but thats still in the air). Thats it.


SO, If you buy an unlocked or even AT&T branded Tilt2, or any other PDA phone, So long as you DONT sign a contract (or buy it in a corp retail location) for it to get a discounted price, you dont have to have a data plan. They will NOT sweep you for simply putting your sim card in.

Warning. If you REPORT your new imei, theres a chance itll pop up with the proper device, which means popped with a data plan.

So in short, Buy the phones off ebay, slap your sim in them, and dont update your imei.


TraderStav posted:

Good morning AT&Trs. I have a decent 19% discount through the company that I work for on my iPhone plan and am considering getting my wife an iPhone for the holidays and add it to my plan. Can I buy the iPhone at the Apple Store or AT&T store and get it added without any hassles or losing discounts on one or the other or do I need to go through the online store that I purchased mine from? I figure that I can, but just wanted to avoid a headache if there was a non-obvious obstacle.

Thanks!

Yup You can do that. If the apple folks near you treat you better than the retail locations, By all means go for it. Your discount isnt accessed via normal means of upgrading. You're fine. Tell her to enjoy the iphone and check out the jailbreaking thread.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at Nov 1, 2009 around 22:04

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004


Hoping someone here can give me some options/ideas.

Currently on tmobile with 5 lines, myself/wife/mom/brother/sister.

Family plan consisting of 1000 minutes, unlimited messaging on all lines, and the tmobile $10 data plan on 2 lines.

Our normal bill if no one goes over our minutes is around $160.

Mom and brother usually pay me around $30/mnth for their share of the bill.

Both my wife and I have iphones and we'd like to keep them/get new ones if we switched to at&t. I think I've priced out the correct plan on at&t but see if I can do better.

Plan: Nation 1400 FamilyTalk w/Rollover® Minutes - $89.99
Services: Data Plan for iPhone - $30.00x2
Messaging Unlimited for Families - $30.00
Plan: AT&T Nation FamilyTalk 1400 - Additional Line - $9.99x3

For a grand total of $210/mnth not including taxes which I'm sure is another $10-$20, so let's call it $230/mnth.

Assuming my mom/brother still pay their normal $60/mnth that brings the plan down to $170/mnth but with the added benefit of 400 more minutes, rollover minutes, and real 3G speeds for our iphones.

Can I do any better? Are there any deals that could waive the 9.99 additional lines or anything? If in the future is it possible to add another iphone assuming my brother may want one eventually?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

mattfl posted:

Hoping someone here can give me some options/ideas.

Currently on tmobile with 5 lines, myself/wife/mom/brother/sister.

Family plan consisting of 1000 minutes, unlimited messaging on all lines, and the tmobile $10 data plan on 2 lines.

Our normal bill if no one goes over our minutes is around $160.

Mom and brother usually pay me around $30/mnth for their share of the bill.

Both my wife and I have iphones and we'd like to keep them/get new ones if we switched to at&t. I think I've priced out the correct plan on at&t but see if I can do better.

Plan: Nation 1400 FamilyTalk w/Rollover® Minutes - $89.99
Services: Data Plan for iPhone - $30.00x2
Messaging Unlimited for Families - $30.00
Plan: AT&T Nation FamilyTalk 1400 - Additional Line - $9.99x3

For a grand total of $210/mnth not including taxes which I'm sure is another $10-$20, so let's call it $230/mnth.

Assuming my mom/brother still pay their normal $60/mnth that brings the plan down to $170/mnth but with the added benefit of 400 more minutes, rollover minutes, and real 3G speeds for our iphones.

Can I do any better? Are there any deals that could waive the 9.99 additional lines or anything? If in the future is it possible to add another iphone assuming my brother may want one eventually?

make sure to check if the company you work for gets a corp discount. If you dont, check into your wifes, brothers, sisters, mom. Whoever gets one, put the account in their name and save some money.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006
At least that dreadful man has gone. For now.


EbolaIvory posted:


Yup You can do that. If the apple folks near you treat you better than the retail locations, By all means go for it. Your discount isnt accessed via normal means of upgrading. You're fine. Tell her to enjoy the iphone and check out the jailbreaking thread.

Thanks for the feedback on this, just got her iPhone added up an hour ago. Was a bit of a hassle but they created her individual line on my account (her own 450 minute plan) and they said to call AT&T to make it a family talk plan. I did that and all is well but they told me that the FAN discount can only apply to my line and not hers so I am not thrilled with that. I have to take a look at the first bill to see what got the discount and what didn't but thought they would have applied the FAN to the balance and not just one phone, quite irritating. Especially since she is eligible for the exact same FAN.

BrandonLakeTruck
Jan 10, 2004
dog poster its a hell of a ride

Edit: nevermind not worth the argument

THESE SOCKS?
Sep 27, 2004


TraderStav posted:

Thanks for the feedback on this, just got her iPhone added up an hour ago. Was a bit of a hassle but they created her individual line on my account (her own 450 minute plan) and they said to call AT&T to make it a family talk plan. I did that and all is well but they told me that the FAN discount can only apply to my line and not hers so I am not thrilled with that. I have to take a look at the first bill to see what got the discount and what didn't but thought they would have applied the FAN to the balance and not just one phone, quite irritating. Especially since she is eligible for the exact same FAN.

If it makes you feel any better, the main line of a 70 dollar plan counts as 60 and the second counts as 10, so you're not missing a huge portion of the discount.

Mine GO BOOM
Apr 18, 2002
If it isn't broken, fix it till it is.

Posting to say that my lovely AT&T Tilt got swept last night and now I have a data plan I don't want. I only use the Tilt for TomTom and sending/receiving calls. It is already unlocked and I have an unactive T-Mobile sim so I can continue using TomTom.

What is the cheapest way to get a phone that will send/receive calls?

Mine GO BOOM fucked around with this message at Nov 4, 2009 around 21:49

Alpha
Dec 17, 2004

owned

Mine GO BOOM posted:

Posting to say that my lovely AT&T Tilt got swept last night and now I have a data plan I don't want. I only use the Tilt for TomTom and sending/receiving calls. It is already unlocked and I have an unactive T-Mobile sim so I can continue using TomTom.

What is the cheapest way to get a phone that will send/receive calls?

Craigslist/ebay/samart

renegadeaven
Oct 22, 2005

If I flip the switch, I go into Killzone mode, which means these two center coils become active, and whenever I shred, I kill people instantly.

All this talk of sweeps has got me worried, because I'm going to be signing up for a FamilyTalk plan at the end of this month with my family next month (porting from Sprint) with 4 lines, and one of them is going to be an unlocked iPhone 2G purchased on SA-Mart.

I have purchased and unlocked an iPhone 2G to be used on one of the lines because my mom wants the iPhone but doesn't need a data plan. So I was planning on getting just a free phone or whatever from the AT&T Store and then swapping her SIM into the unlocked iPhone so she doesn't have to pay data by buying an iPhone in-store. Are they going to somehow find out there is an iPhone 2G on the account and force her to start paying data on it? This worries me, and would be complete bullshit if true.

Another question - can only one discount be applied to a FamilyTalk plan? I have a discount through my University and another person on the account has a discount through his company, can we add both? Or can only the main account holder's discount be applied to the plan? I'm curious how this works.

Thanks!

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Mine GO BOOM posted:

Posting to say that my lovely AT&T Tilt got swept last night and now I have a data plan I don't want. I only use the Tilt for TomTom and sending/receiving calls. It is already unlocked and I have an unactive T-Mobile sim so I can continue using TomTom.

What is the cheapest way to get a phone that will send/receive calls?

Holy poo poo.

Color me shocked. Welp, guess things changed over night

renegadeaven posted:

All this talk of sweeps has got me worried, because I'm going to be signing up for a FamilyTalk plan at the end of this month with my family next month (porting from Sprint) with 4 lines, and one of them is going to be an unlocked iPhone 2G purchased on SA-Mart.

I have purchased and unlocked an iPhone 2G to be used on one of the lines because my mom wants the iPhone but doesn't need a data plan. So I was planning on getting just a free phone or whatever from the AT&T Store and then swapping her SIM into the unlocked iPhone so she doesn't have to pay data by buying an iPhone in-store. Are they going to somehow find out there is an iPhone 2G on the account and force her to start paying data on it? This worries me, and would be complete bullshit if true.

Another question - can only one discount be applied to a FamilyTalk plan? I have a discount through my University and another person on the account has a discount through his company, can we add both? Or can only the main account holder's discount be applied to the plan? I'm curious how this works.

Thanks!

Is there a way to spoof the imei?
I havent bothered looking through cydia but id guess someone wrote something for that.
If there is, just use some random bullshit number. 1111111111111 works and is a generic gsm code we use for customers who say they have a phone at home and just want the line added. Its a number that has no way to be caught with sweeps.



EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2009 around 05:49

renegadeaven
Oct 22, 2005

If I flip the switch, I go into Killzone mode, which means these two center coils become active, and whenever I shred, I kill people instantly.

EbolaIvory posted:

Is there a way to spoof the imei?
I havent bothered looking through cydia but id guess someone wrote something for that.
If there is, just use some random bullshit number. 1111111111111 works and is a generic gsm code we use for customers who say they have a phone at home and just want the line added. Its a number that has no way to be caught with sweeps.

That's not illegal or something?

edit: Could I also change it to the IMEI of the phone we get for that line when we activate service?

renegadeaven fucked around with this message at Nov 5, 2009 around 07:23

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004


Does anyone know if at&t will pay the ETF fees I'm going to have if I switch from tmobile? I'll be bring 5 lines over with me if that makes any difference.

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Ratzinc
Aug 14, 2004

MY BALLS ARE THE SIZE OF GRAPEFRUITS

renegadeaven posted:

That's not illegal or something?

edit: Could I also change it to the IMEI of the phone we get for that line when we activate service?

Nope, we use all 1's or we use all 0's followed by 1234 if you own your own device.

mattfl posted:

Does anyone know if at&t will pay the ETF fees I'm going to have if I switch from tmobile? I'll be bring 5 lines over with me if that makes any difference.
If you call in; No. If you do it online; No. Depending on what store and what manager you go to; Maybe. They have a hell of a lot of leeway.

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